Trying to enter AP exit state

[wolfmanthe1st]

I thought I had read in a Robert Bruce book that the way to lower one's mental state or brain wave frequency far enough to be in a position where can exit (passing the hypnogogic state) that they could try visualizing themselves walking downstairs..... while visualizing walking down stairs the person was to also feel themselves descending... the feeling of descending was supposed to lower the brain wave frequency and in the process put the body asleep, but the mind is remaining active.

Anybody have sucess working with this. I think it was in Bruce's Astral Dynamics book.

[Nameless]

Hi Wolfman. From my own experience I much prefer feeling my way whether I am going down stairs or circling up high in the clouds or whatever form I use to induce an exit. Sometimes the visuals come automatically and when they do I go with it but they aren't necessary, at least for me. I work on maintaining a sense of calm leisure like I have all the time in the world.

As far as hypnogogic visuals go sometimes those are very persistent. I've found that if I pay attention to them (again like I have all the time in the world) they too can lead to an exit. Maintaining that sense of calm pleasure really helps me lower my brain waves.

[wolfmanthe1st]

Thank you for your response, but I was referring to the process before one gets to the position where they are about to attempt an exit.... I was not referring to trying to exit.... I guess I should have worded it differently.

I think the brain wave frequency is upper level theta instead of alpha before one can consider attempting an exit... So I was searching for a way to lower the brain wave frequency to upper level theta without falling asleep...  binaural beats have no influence on me at all... it is just noise

[Lumaza]

I think the brain wave frequency is upper level theta instead of alpha before one can consider attempting an exit... So I was searching for a way to lower the brain wave frequency to upper level theta without falling asleep...  binaural beats have no influence on me at all... it is just noise

Just curious, what kind of "influence" did you expect the Binaural beats to have on you?

You say it's just "noise" to you. If you put your focus completely on that "noise" and hold it there, you will reach the upper level delta that you are asking for. Not only will focusing on the noise work, but any other focus target that takes you away from your immediate "physical focus" will work as well. The key is in learning to "passively observe" all that you see and feel and learning to "allow" yourself to delve deeper.
Peruse through a few of the great Stickies we have in this section and you will see what I mean!   
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