Thomas Campbell My Big Toe Forum - Ted Vollers Site Moderator

[realitycorrodes]

Hey Guys,

Just coming to Astral Pulse to seek helpful responses to questions about Thomas Campbells My Big Toe.

I feel very sad that I have been belittled and insulting by the site moderator over there who goes by the name Ted Vollers.

I have seen from time to time other people's questions being ridiculed by Ted Vollers but have not been able to connect up with them as I feel they leave the My Big Toe forum pretty quickly.

Unfortunately, I have a genuine interest in Thomas Campbell's My Big Toe and real questions that I needed answered - so I hung in there. After reviewing my interactions on their forum I noticed I pretty much started asking questions in 2008 and nearly every year or two I would come back and ask a few more - but each time I was belittled by Ted Vollers.

I guess I am just seeking confirmation that it is not just me that has noticed an attitude problem with Ted Vollers.

I am starting this thread to provide refuge to other genuine seekers of truth who may have been traumatised by this individual.

Anyone else experience this strange behaviour.

I tried to draw attention to it on the MY Big Toe Forum but no-one spoke up to defend me against him.

Most of the other users seem to engage with an air of condensation and like to indulge in unnecessary complexity and over use of acronyms.

They all seem to be very submissive to Ted Vollers final words on everything - sycophantic behavior.

I find it ironical and a tad hypocritical when the purpose of Thomas Campbells My Big Toe is to "lower entropy" which is essentially to be kind and compassionate to one's fellow seekers (IUOC in My Big Toe Acronyism) and yet the Site Moderator for My Big Toe belittles newbies who ask questions in their "Wud I Say: Beginners" sub section. And for not one other forum user to stand up against it seems to say something about the nature of Thomas Campbells "MY Big Toe" TOE. Looks like it attracts people who don't really get the practical real world application to how to lower their entropy ( My Big Toe acronyism for be a nice person).

Wishing everyone peace the

freedom to imagine without the fear of being belittled by others.

Imagination is key.

Xanth edited subject line

[Xanth]

Ted is a great guy.  All I can say is that his "posting style" (very "matter of factly") is quite misunderstood and is easily perceived and interpreted as "aggressive". 

On the other side of things, he also doesn't put up with much crap from people. 
He's the sole individual who runs Tom's forum, decisions have to be made and those decisions aren't going to be agreed upon by all involved. 

It's really easy for someone sitting on the public side of the curtain to sit and judge, but running a forum isn't easy... especially one as large as the MBT forum. 

Ted has Tom's full support.  That alone should tell you something about Ted's character.  Does he run his mouth once in a while and say the wrong thing?  Yup.  We all do.  I'm sure you can find quite a few posts on this forum where I've said more than I probably should have. 

Look past his demeanor and you'll find that Ted isn't attacking you... he's trying to get you to question WHY you do the things you do. 
Nobody makes you become offended... you CHOOSE to become offended.  It's something you would have to look deep within to figure out WHY you CHOSE to feel that way... and is really a big part of spirituality.

In the end... how Ted runs his forum has no bearing on this forum.  I'll leave this open for now, but it will be heavily moderated.

[desert-rat]

I have heard of my big toe , but not read it , so i cant comment on it .  If you post a link to your post I will have a better idea of what Ted said .  Another good forum is s.f. If you join , I have a list of forums in links sec. its in a members only sec.
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/
p.s. Is your forum one of these ? If you do a search for new age/paranormal/med. phy. forums , you will find a bunch .
http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/
http://www.toequest.com/forum/forum.php

[realitycorrodes]

Excerpt taken from
Question on MY Big Toe Forum
If Data is Consciousness, then what analyses that data?

https://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=7825&start=30

William writes:
nothing cannot make something, so this is the biggy

Quote:
This may be true in your PMR experience, what you remember, but it is not necessarily or universally true. That is the concept at the core of Tom's model of reality. That is a problem in that most do not really comprehend Tom's model. This is why I refer people to it so often and am universally disappointed in that no one comes back saying, 'Oh, I get it all now'. Within that model, everything that exists arises from the Void and its quickening. Very much something from nothing. And as I have recently realized how to state this, ( viewtopic.php?f=220&t=7777 ) Tom's model is fully congruent with the mental models of ancient mystics and metaphysicians and the reason that the LCS routinely reveals no more about itself is that there is actually no more to reveal. Everything else is hidden in interrelationships and not 'visible' except through our own experience of those relationships and interactions. Nothing else besides the Void, the developing Void and the IUOCs interconnected by the Reality Wide Web exist. That is all there is, called by the ancients, the Void and Indra's Net. Knowledge beyond this comes from understanding in more depth these few components as everything else is composed of just these components.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welco ... 778.0.html

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welco ... 909.0.html

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Ted Vollers writes:
William,

I would say welcome back, but you have apparently not changed your obsessions.
Quote:
Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact, a simulation.

I ignored this statement previously as a personal slogan as opposed to anything more significant. You have referred us to somewhere that it has received a reaction to it as an 'impressive statement' that it does not merit. It has no logical basis to be proven. I refer you to Gödel's incompleteness theorem which is applicable, although formally a statement of mathematical logic. More simply put, it would be necessary to step outside of any given system that is stated to have a beginning in order to perceive the basis for its simulation, much less to prove that it is a simulation. From within such a simulation, if rigorously maintained within its simulation, it would be impossible to prove that it was a simulation. The simulation of PMR is not so rigorously maintained. There are 'clues' to the nature of PMR as a simulation being 'dropped' by the LCS all the time as NDEs, OOBEs, ADCs, verifiable memories of previous incarnations, etc. Tom Campbell and others have stepped outside of this PMR system and confirmed its status as a simulation and Tom has provided a good description of its origins in the LCS which is consistent with the results throughout millenia of exploration by mystics and early metaphysicians.

You are welcome to step outside of the LCS system to verify that it is a simulation, because it has a beginning as Tom Campbell states, but I suspect that you cannot do so. If you do manage to do so, take your cell phone with you and take some pictures for verification of the trip. No one else has ever claimed to do so and returned to 'tell the tale'. There is a mode for ceasing to exist within the LCS that has been discussed here, but not any way to return. Whether one then exists outside of the LCS has not been proven by this occurrence of ceasing to exist here since there has been no instance of a return. The Void, within mysticism and metaphysics, is pretty universally taken as the 'beginning' of our reality, here taken to be the LCS. Religions postulate various first causes as gods or God but they have their limitations as requiring beliefs or faith in revelation. Beliefs are rejected here as nothing but mistakes of the believers as gullibility.

Please do not start spamming us again with these concepts and obsessions of yours. This time, they will be treated as spam. You have had your say, more than once. Please take your soap box peacefully elsewhere and form your own society there through your own efforts to draw supporters.

Ted

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William writes:

I must say that I am extremely surprised at the attitude of your expression.
As you are aware, I have not posted in on this BB since February 16th 2013
That last post being:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7702&p=66350#p66350

Occasionally I swing by to peruse, and as can be appreciated, this thread topic attracted my interest.
I read the posts herein and decided that at least one, if not two individuals seriously thought the question was valid and answerable.

Being aware that you have no tolerance for possible answers to this kind of question being discussed on this BB, I simply gave 2 links where those answers might be found.
I would have thought, due to your not wanting posts of this nature using up bandwidth and your insistence to take such stuff elsewhere, that by providing a link for those mindful ones who are looking for such answers would assist in some way.

However, you have chosen to see it as 'spam' as if it were somehow potentially 'stealing' individuals from this BB which seems to be rather a separatist way of seeing things than a unifying one.

Certainly you could argue that I could have PM'd the individuals to give them the link data, but then this would not provide future opportunity for other individuals perusing threads and attracted to this question to also have access to said link data.

Surely you could, in the name of all that is good decent and unifying – allow helpful links to remain and not complain about them as if they were somehow in competition with the agenda of this BB and its subject matter.

Anyway, I just thought I would say so. There is evidence for the statement Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact, a simulation. but that is not for this BB.

If Data is Consciousness, then what analyses that data? is simple a beautiful question with an equally beautiful answer.

That's all I wanted to say.

Peace.

W

[realitycorrodes]

I sent an email to Tom Campbell complaining about Ted Voller in that email I wrote to Tom saying:

I ask questions on the forum in the "Beginners only" section to avoid being belittled, but the answers I am getting from your Site Admin are:

"Actually, if you read Tom's books or his model write up on Tom's Wiki, you will see that the reality cells interacting with data in them...."

"You really need to read all of Tom's books."

I have read 1.5 of your books and I could not understand them hence I went to the forum for clarification. It really is pointless referring someone back to something they did not understand in the first place and seems to defeat the purpose of having a forum to help people understand the books. If that makes sense could you perhaps have a word.


Another response I got from your Site Admin the when I asked "Can you copy low entropy data over high entropy data?"

"Where and how did you have in mind as that is the context which allows your question to make sense/to be understood and to be answered."

This response does not have the tone of being helpful to a "beginner" coming to ask for help on the beginners section of your forum?

[realitycorrodes]

I (Realitycorrodes) wrote:
I asked the following question of Tom

Can Low Entropy Data be copied over high entropy data?

Tom's answer: Sure

If so what is the point of simulating these painful PMR realities? It just seems a little sadistic? When high entropy can just be copied away by low entropy data?

Tom's answer: Making copies does not lower entropy for the LCS in any significant or way.

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Ted Voller responds:

Provide a source reference for this information. Too many people have taken what Tom has said out of its original context in order to put their own words in his mouth to just accept this. I'm not saying that Tom did not say this or that it is incorrect. I am perfectly in agreement with it, but I want to see the context to confirm what Tom meant.

And why do you bother to ask the questions if you feel that you already know the answers and what the answers mean? If you are uninterested in knowing what Tom has to say and what he means by anything that he says that you don't understand, just being here in a troll like capacity is not acceptable. We do not need members who have their own agendas to promote and keep contradicting what Tom has to say or denying that he knows what he is talking about. It is not necessary that you believe anything, just don't preach your own gospel here. Create your own web site and soap box elsewhere to promote your own interpretation of reality, please.

Ted

[desert-rat]

It looks like there unwilling to discuss any thing out side there belief system .  I was thinking about buying and reading the t.o.e. book , but I think I will weight until I see it as a V.N.S.A. sale , when I can get it for a buck or two . When I went to the sale in feb. I saw a lot of Sylvia Browne books , I guess she has fallen out of favor .  Like I stated before , there are  a lot of other new age/para normal /med. phyical forums .   

[Xanth]

realitycorrodes,
Your issue with Ted is one of ego. 

If you REALLY look at his responses to you without any bias, you realize that he's simply making statements.
They're also TRUE statements too, but you're too blinded by your ego to see it. 

Another thing is that it sounds like you're trying to prove Tom wrong.  Beyond the fact that this is actually an impossible task... it's not one that is your responsibility. 
More to the point who cares if Tom is wrong?  Who cares if Tom is right? 
Neither position is one of strength, because you can only BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE him.  Tom's experience is outside my realm of caring because it's not MY experience. 

Here is one of the most important things to realize:  Tom talks about TOM'S my big toe (Remember it's called MY big toe... MY = TOM).  He doesn't talk about Xanth's my big toe, or realitycorrodes' my big toe... there's a huge difference there. 

Take me for example, there's a lot of what Toms says which goes contrary to my own PERSONAL experiences and there's a lot of what he says which agrees with my own PERSONAL experiences.

What you won't ever see is me over on Tom's forum trying to use my own experiences as fodder to prove anyway... why?  Because it's not important.  Because experience is unique to the individual.

You're too caught up in what Tom says, and not caught up enough in what your own personal experiences are.  Let it go.  If a forum doesn't tickle your fancy... move on. 

[realitycorrodes]

Thanks Xanth for your comments,

I have no problem with Tom and with Tom's replies.

I have spoken to Tom via email and it has always been straight forward and amicable. He just answers the question without make any comment about whether he thinks the question is well written.

When I ask questions of Tom it is not to challenge and prove Tom wrong, that is in fact TEDS projection in my humble opinion . Hand on my heart I am just want to try and understand more of Tom's Toe.
Ted over values himself to the point that he can't allow honest "speculation" and "theorizing" by anyone else trying to get their head around TOM's ideas. Never had that problem with Tom.

As I say I like Tom's Big Toe.

It seems you operate on TEDS level  and thus your value system like Ted's does not perceive that their is necessary rudeness in Teds replies - not what I believe is a low entropy attribute. Besides it seems like Ted and yourself are good friends so naturally you would feel a sense of loyalty to him. Loyalty is a beautiful thing - I would hope someone would make a stand for me as well.

I am just wanting to leave this here so others who may have felt put down when being responded to by Ted know they were not alone and they don't really have an ego problem they just have  a regular healthy ego  (like most other people) but are used to common everyday courtesy and politeness when interacting with others.Wishing you well. I have said my peace.

[realitycorrodes]

Oh, I heard on the Edge Brothers interview with Tom about virtual realities that Tom has provided his My Big Toe books for free as an ebook somewhere. I did a quick search and found this link

http://www.ebookdb.org/reading/3C3AG2146A461C2C7FG32869/My-Big-Toe--Awakening

It suggests it could be downloaded but I could only read it online for free.

I have however downloaded an electronic copy for free somewhere but it could have been 6 or 7 years ago.

[Xanth]

Thanks Xanth for your comments,

I have no problem with Tom and with Tom's replies.

I have spoken to Tom via email and it has always been straight forward and amicable. He just answers the question without make any comment about whether he thinks the question is well written.

When I ask questions of Tom it is not to challenge and prove Tom wrong, that is in fact TEDS projection in my humble opinion . Hand on my heart I am just want to try and understand more of Tom's Toe.
Ted over values himself to the point that he can't allow honest "speculation" and "theorizing" by anyone else trying to get their head around TOM's ideas. Never had that problem with Tom.

As I say I like Tom's Big Toe.

Tom is great that way, very open to anyone who has an honest question.  

It seems you operate on TEDS level  and thus your value system like Ted's does not perceive that their is necessary rudeness in Teds replies - not what I believe is a low entropy attribute. Besides it seems like Ted and yourself are good friends so naturally you would feel a sense of loyalty to him. Loyalty is a beautiful thing - I would hope someone would make a stand for me as well.

Nah, I certainly wouldn't call Ted and I friends and I certainly don't have any loyalty to him or the MBT forums.  
I don't even post on Tom's forum anymore or even visit it... I'm too busy with the Astral Pulse and my own forum, Unlimited Boundaries.  I think I've been to the MBT a total of 2 or 3 times over the past 2 to 3 years.  

I DO value the work Ted does there though, because I know how hard the job is that he does by *himself*.  There was a time here, a year or two in fact, where I was the only moderator.  It's not easy.
I also understand WHY he acts the way he does and I accept him as he is.  On the flip side I also understand why people misunderstand him and attack him for the things he says.  

I don't get offended easily.  I'm just able to separate my emotional reactions from what I can only describe as "simply the way people act and are".  

I am just wanting to leave this here so others who may have felt put down when being responded to by Ted know they were not alone and they don't really have an ego problem they just have  a regular healthy ego  (like most other people) but are used to common everyday courtesy and politeness when interacting with others.Wishing you well. I have said my peace.

Well that's kind of the point of why I'm going to lock this thread up and edit your subject line to remove the subjective "bully" label you've placed on Ted.
Labeling him as a "bully" is your personal opinion of him and really doesn't belong on THIS forum.  Or any public place really.  
If you have an issue with Ted, you're best to either bring it up WITH Ted... or email Tom, I know he would be more than happy to speak with you regarding the problems you feel you're encountering.

What I will suggest is this... when you read or hear something and you CHOOSE to become "offended" by it, the offense is generally NEVER about what was actually said.  What you need to do is inspect within yourself on WHY you CHOSE to feel the way you did about it.  You could have just as easily chosen to NOT be offended by it.  The way we react to something is how we CHOOSE to react to it.  Choose better for yourself.  Choose a lower entropy option.  

Other than that, I'll leave the post as it is and please feel free to start a new post about what you've posted on the Edge Bros.  
If you wish to discuss this further, please feel free to PM me.