Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 06:57:14
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 06:57:14
Well - I don't smoke, rarely drink, and have never, ever partaken of illegal substances (call me boring), but my opinion is that any hallucinogenic substance used during these activities will produce a commensurate resulting level of reliabibility and usefulness - i.e. to the detrimental side.
I would question whether his awareness is *really* alot greater, or that it is just an illusion? I don't think the word is trance but "trip".
Same goes for projection from this state, would you really trust any apparent degree of objectivity at all? And it has been proven that "trips" of this type are not actually Astral journeys as such, but rather inner hallucinogenic creations in origin.
I never stand in judgement of things like this, and if people want to ingest drugs to check out the effect, then go right ahead, but I really do not think that the use of such substances has any place in a proper developmental energy, projection or spiritual path.
Just my humble opinion
I would question whether his awareness is *really* alot greater, or that it is just an illusion? I don't think the word is trance but "trip".
Same goes for projection from this state, would you really trust any apparent degree of objectivity at all? And it has been proven that "trips" of this type are not actually Astral journeys as such, but rather inner hallucinogenic creations in origin.
I never stand in judgement of things like this, and if people want to ingest drugs to check out the effect, then go right ahead, but I really do not think that the use of such substances has any place in a proper developmental energy, projection or spiritual path.
Just my humble opinion
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2002, 07:48:59
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2002, 07:48:59
Well now, I certainly have enough experience in this area (hallucinogenic Adrian?? Naa!). Yes, the ability to move energy around can be greatly hightened, as are energy sensations, but if done in the long term, has a serious detrimental effect. Because it can put you in a kind of no-mind state, it could be said your awareness is increased, but concentrating on any one thing may be difficult (though i cannot remember what it was like when I first started smoking pot, don't any more, but did heavily for years). And no, getting stoned once will not harm you, in any long term way. My own point of view is that it is a good thing to try something like pot, if only once, because it expands your horizons of experience. This also applies to any drugs which do not have long term effects (eg shrooms 
but not E). Basically, I don't see it as such a big thing as some people would!
After eating a lot once, it seems like I shifted into the etheric body - ie like a permanent trance. On that note, yes I find it is very very easy to get into a trance when stoned. Perhaps this will help you, ie if you can experience being in a good trance state when stoned this may become remembered, making it easier to get into such a state in the future.
Also, if you don't want to smoke, I would recomment eating it - the high is much cleaner and purer, without all the groggyness of smoking. But then it depends on how long you want to stay up for, most first timers only feel effects for a couple of minutes tops, so you are safer that way.
But whatever, do or don't, is only your choice
but not E). Basically, I don't see it as such a big thing as some people would!After eating a lot once, it seems like I shifted into the etheric body - ie like a permanent trance. On that note, yes I find it is very very easy to get into a trance when stoned. Perhaps this will help you, ie if you can experience being in a good trance state when stoned this may become remembered, making it easier to get into such a state in the future.
Also, if you don't want to smoke, I would recomment eating it - the high is much cleaner and purer, without all the groggyness of smoking. But then it depends on how long you want to stay up for, most first timers only feel effects for a couple of minutes tops, so you are safer that way.
But whatever, do or don't, is only your choice
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 11:35:31
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 11:35:31
Spoken as a true authority on the subject Inguma
I would just say that I wasn't taking any sort of moral stance in my previous posting, rather my own personal position.
However, I do believe (correct me if I am wrong) that some Shaman use mind altering substances in their work - so I guess there must be something in it. I wouldn't doubt a Shaman!
I would just say that I wasn't taking any sort of moral stance in my previous posting, rather my own personal position.
However, I do believe (correct me if I am wrong) that some Shaman use mind altering substances in their work - so I guess there must be something in it. I wouldn't doubt a Shaman!
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 15:33:55
Post by: Tir13 on March 02, 2002, 15:33:55
*Still laughing*
Well, if you really want to do it go for it, I mean no one is going to really stop you...but just consider this. 1) It creates lop-sided training, the only real way to get consistent results is to TRAIN and practice like the rest of us, ya big cheater hehe. 2) You may be tempted, in the future, to use weed to achieve that state just because it is so easy. Be careful of that. It's your decision...have fun, and if you see/do something that scares the crap out of you...well...heh, "told ya so".
Later,
Jason :)
Well, if you really want to do it go for it, I mean no one is going to really stop you...but just consider this. 1) It creates lop-sided training, the only real way to get consistent results is to TRAIN and practice like the rest of us, ya big cheater hehe. 2) You may be tempted, in the future, to use weed to achieve that state just because it is so easy. Be careful of that. It's your decision...have fun, and if you see/do something that scares the crap out of you...well...heh, "told ya so".
Later,
Jason :)
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 17:11:08
Post by: Adrian on March 02, 2002, 17:11:08
Yes, that has to be the entire issue here.
One should develop inherent and potential natural capabilities in all of these things.
Relying on mind altering substances, or any other prop, even assuming it produced a genuinely objective result (doubtful in my view), will cause a reliance on that prop in future. It is all an illusion.
The problem is, one such an illusion could be conveniently interpreted as a great result, and your true path is lost - otherwise it becomes wavy with red spotted mushrooms groing in the cracks
One should develop inherent and potential natural capabilities in all of these things.
Relying on mind altering substances, or any other prop, even assuming it produced a genuinely objective result (doubtful in my view), will cause a reliance on that prop in future. It is all an illusion.
The problem is, one such an illusion could be conveniently interpreted as a great result, and your true path is lost - otherwise it becomes wavy with red spotted mushrooms groing in the cracks
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2002, 17:16:14
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2002, 17:16:14
"Spoken as a true authority on the subject Inguma"
ha yes, with all the pros and cons this entails.
"I would just say that I wasn't taking any sort of moral stance in my previous posting, rather my own personal position"
Sure! And when I mentioned people who see it as a 'big thing' I was actually referring to those like my dear mother, who would have a heart attack if she found out what most my social and not so sociable life has consisted of for the last few years!
"However, I do believe (correct me if I am wrong) that some Shaman use mind altering substances in their work - so I guess there must be something in it. I wouldn't doubt a Shaman!"
Quite right, people all over the world have used drugs for their often magickal qualities (which are not always purely chemical...). Personally, the most intensely mind blowing invocations I have ever done (which isn't saying a huge amount!) were when up on weed which was evidently spiked with something like acid (man that was a good night, but I felt very sketchy the next day!).
Then there is peyote et al for the native American Indians, licking frogs in Africa (and in magick brews), astral broomstick journeys for witches (powered by stuff like deadly nightshade no less...). And hey, ever wondered about the little men that live in toadstools??! And there is the highly spiritual stuff like Ibogaine, with little-understood curative effects for kicking addictions and relieving painful memories (similar to CIR methinks – if enough is taken it seems that abstract representations of these problem areas are lived out in an IBE environment)....I could go on, but you get the idea – I am very interested in this subject! Also, in my humble opinion, there are some very good things they can do, and results can certainly be got, if only to act like the carrot on the end of the stick to make you get there without chemical crutches.
But in the end, when all is said and done, they are rarely any more than stepping stones into other states and perceptions, not to be relied on but explored until their usefulness is outlived or outweighed by other factors. Which is not when I stopped smoking pot, and I paid a heavy price for it...literally and figuratively
Edited by - Inguma on 03 March 2002 00:32:53
ha yes, with all the pros and cons this entails.
"I would just say that I wasn't taking any sort of moral stance in my previous posting, rather my own personal position"
Sure! And when I mentioned people who see it as a 'big thing' I was actually referring to those like my dear mother, who would have a heart attack if she found out what most my social and not so sociable life has consisted of for the last few years!
"However, I do believe (correct me if I am wrong) that some Shaman use mind altering substances in their work - so I guess there must be something in it. I wouldn't doubt a Shaman!"
Quite right, people all over the world have used drugs for their often magickal qualities (which are not always purely chemical...). Personally, the most intensely mind blowing invocations I have ever done (which isn't saying a huge amount!) were when up on weed which was evidently spiked with something like acid (man that was a good night, but I felt very sketchy the next day!).
Then there is peyote et al for the native American Indians, licking frogs in Africa (and in magick brews), astral broomstick journeys for witches (powered by stuff like deadly nightshade no less...). And hey, ever wondered about the little men that live in toadstools??! And there is the highly spiritual stuff like Ibogaine, with little-understood curative effects for kicking addictions and relieving painful memories (similar to CIR methinks – if enough is taken it seems that abstract representations of these problem areas are lived out in an IBE environment)....I could go on, but you get the idea – I am very interested in this subject! Also, in my humble opinion, there are some very good things they can do, and results can certainly be got, if only to act like the carrot on the end of the stick to make you get there without chemical crutches.
But in the end, when all is said and done, they are rarely any more than stepping stones into other states and perceptions, not to be relied on but explored until their usefulness is outlived or outweighed by other factors. Which is not when I stopped smoking pot, and I paid a heavy price for it...literally and figuratively
Edited by - Inguma on 03 March 2002 00:32:53
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: puddl on March 02, 2002, 17:51:33
Post by: puddl on March 02, 2002, 17:51:33
yeah well .. I never said I would rely.
All I want to do is get into it once, so that I have 'experienced' the state.
I was thinking, since sensations would be much stronger within it
I might have quite a good chance of unblocking many areas and raising energy
quite effectively.
But of course I do not want to rely on it ... :) don't want to end up braindead.
All I want to do is get into it once, so that I have 'experienced' the state.
I was thinking, since sensations would be much stronger within it
I might have quite a good chance of unblocking many areas and raising energy
quite effectively.
But of course I do not want to rely on it ... :) don't want to end up braindead.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Pres Nevins on March 02, 2002, 20:50:06
Post by: Pres Nevins on March 02, 2002, 20:50:06
I tried it sporadically in high school (way back when the decade began with an 8!) but got bored with it so I stopped. It never occurred to me to try it in combination with meditation, probably because when high I could easily just sit for a couple of hours staring at the fireplace going, "Whoa..." and that would be the sum total of my cognitive processes. Not exactly a sharp and clear state of mind.
Do what you like, I just found from experience that it blurred me out more than anything. These days I don't so much as drink alcohol or even coffee...how pure can you get?!
and that would be the sum total of my cognitive processes. Not exactly a sharp and clear state of mind.Do what you like, I just found from experience that it blurred me out more than anything. These days I don't so much as drink alcohol or even coffee...how pure can you get?!
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: observer on March 03, 2002, 00:49:01
Post by: observer on March 03, 2002, 00:49:01
As a person that has used pot, I can tell you that it is possible to do what puddl wants to do and I have done so. For me, pot makes it almost effortless to work with NEW on both secondary and primary energy centers. And it leaves lasting effects that make it quite easy to continue energy work more easily without the use of the drug.
Unlike Inguma, I recommend smoking it rather than ingesting it for several reasons. Firstly, smoking it produces the intended effect almost immediately; In less than 10 minutes, you will be under peak influence. Secondly, the peak does not last long - usually less than 15 minutes on the best stuff. Conversely, when you ingest it, depending on what you eat it with, and how busy your digestion system is, it takes between 30 minutes and 2 hours to begin its influence. And it takes quite a while to "come down" - sometimes hours. Lastly, if you cook the pot into some foodstuff like a brownie, the dosage is not necessarily known because it does not distribute evenly and you may get a lot higher than you bargained for. In short, the delivery mechanism is a control issue. And given that you are working with life energy, taking the path that produces greater control is advised.
I think that the main reason to discourage the use of drugs is that even if the drug is not physically addicting, psychological addiction is always a possibility. There will be those without willpower who will continue to use drugs as their only method of spiritual discovery because they are too impatient for results. And like any other drug, frequent use of pot will require raising the dosage to get results which could lead to personal harm (like lung cancer if you smoke it). And there is also the possibility that you are not ready for the experience that the drug can provide - like putting a Cessna pilot in an F16. Finally, it is a drug, and as such has impact on your physical body. For starters, it raises your heart rate and blood pressure while under its influence. If you are older, and/or you or your family have history of heart disease, it is probably not a good idea to use this drug. I have not read this, but I suppose it is possible that some people may be allergic to some aspect of pot's chemistry.
However, in spite of all this, I still use it occasionally as a catalyst, and it seems to be a rather harmless thing for ME to do, and in fact it has been quite helpful with the development of many things. In closing, I feel like the doctors that encourage daily ingestion of red wine in small doses for coronary health benefits. Their fear is that whenever a respected authority recommends something, there will be those that go a bridge too far taking the advice and corrupt its intent. So since I have done nothing to earn your respect, please do not consider this post drug use advice. I am just stating the facts of my experience.
Unlike Inguma, I recommend smoking it rather than ingesting it for several reasons. Firstly, smoking it produces the intended effect almost immediately; In less than 10 minutes, you will be under peak influence. Secondly, the peak does not last long - usually less than 15 minutes on the best stuff. Conversely, when you ingest it, depending on what you eat it with, and how busy your digestion system is, it takes between 30 minutes and 2 hours to begin its influence. And it takes quite a while to "come down" - sometimes hours. Lastly, if you cook the pot into some foodstuff like a brownie, the dosage is not necessarily known because it does not distribute evenly and you may get a lot higher than you bargained for. In short, the delivery mechanism is a control issue. And given that you are working with life energy, taking the path that produces greater control is advised.
I think that the main reason to discourage the use of drugs is that even if the drug is not physically addicting, psychological addiction is always a possibility. There will be those without willpower who will continue to use drugs as their only method of spiritual discovery because they are too impatient for results. And like any other drug, frequent use of pot will require raising the dosage to get results which could lead to personal harm (like lung cancer if you smoke it). And there is also the possibility that you are not ready for the experience that the drug can provide - like putting a Cessna pilot in an F16. Finally, it is a drug, and as such has impact on your physical body. For starters, it raises your heart rate and blood pressure while under its influence. If you are older, and/or you or your family have history of heart disease, it is probably not a good idea to use this drug. I have not read this, but I suppose it is possible that some people may be allergic to some aspect of pot's chemistry.
However, in spite of all this, I still use it occasionally as a catalyst, and it seems to be a rather harmless thing for ME to do, and in fact it has been quite helpful with the development of many things. In closing, I feel like the doctors that encourage daily ingestion of red wine in small doses for coronary health benefits. Their fear is that whenever a respected authority recommends something, there will be those that go a bridge too far taking the advice and corrupt its intent. So since I have done nothing to earn your respect, please do not consider this post drug use advice. I am just stating the facts of my experience.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: puddl on March 03, 2002, 02:22:54
Post by: puddl on March 03, 2002, 02:22:54
Thank you for replying :)
Firstly, I do not respect traditional doctors.
Secondly, we rely too much on authority and no longer believe in listening to those
who have 'control' over the masses.
Your advice was really great, I think I will try some weed quite soon.
As soon as I get some, I shall try it, but will not overdo it.
All I wanted, was to try it out once, so that I know how it feels , I in no way
want to 'rely' on a drug for that is the wrong path.
Thank you again,
Firstly, I do not respect traditional doctors.
Secondly, we rely too much on authority and no longer believe in listening to those
who have 'control' over the masses.
Your advice was really great, I think I will try some weed quite soon.
As soon as I get some, I shall try it, but will not overdo it.
All I wanted, was to try it out once, so that I know how it feels , I in no way
want to 'rely' on a drug for that is the wrong path.
Thank you again,
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: puddl on March 03, 2002, 05:58:02
Post by: puddl on March 03, 2002, 05:58:02
Also observer ......
You said if you eat it, it takes some time to 'come down'.
You mean the effect lasts long ?
I wouldn't like to be interrupted, I want to use this to get into a very deep trance
and so I can just unblock areas and gather lots of energy through quite some time
not 15 minutes ...
Thanks,
You said if you eat it, it takes some time to 'come down'.
You mean the effect lasts long ?
I wouldn't like to be interrupted, I want to use this to get into a very deep trance
and so I can just unblock areas and gather lots of energy through quite some time
not 15 minutes ...
Thanks,
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: observer on March 03, 2002, 13:04:51
Post by: observer on March 03, 2002, 13:04:51
quote:
Also observer ......
You said if you eat it, it takes some time to 'come down'.
You mean the effect lasts long ?
I wouldn't like to be interrupted, I want to use this to get into a very deep trance
and so I can just unblock areas and gather lots of energy through quite some time
not 15 minutes ...
Thanks,
Being a controlled substance where quality is an unknown, there is no way that you will be able to be certain of dosage no matter what the method of delivery. This means that you will not know how much to smoke or how much to eat. In short, trying pot once will be a crapshoot. You may not even get high if the pot is weak. I cannot and will not guarantee that you will be able to do anything energywise even if you do get high. I have significant energy management abilities WITHOUT pot and am speculating that pot only enhances that ability.
If you do get high, you will find that energy management capabilities will not be the only thing that is enhanced. You will probably fall prey to the kid in the candystore syndrome; Your analytical capabilities will have you following an avalanche of new realizations at breakneck speed. Your awareness of your body is so intense that you may find it uncomfortable, or profoundly sensual. You may find that you'll be doing everything but energy development.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: bro_flamo on March 03, 2002, 19:21:14
Post by: bro_flamo on March 03, 2002, 19:21:14
I don't know if you'd even last after your first puff (tsk tsk...) BTW while you may think that this would be a benefic to you in achieving new heights you're using a drug as a guide into your trance. Thats CHEATING!
do what you like anyway, its your life, you make your decisions, I'm only giving you an advice. I don't need drugs to see to it I get results, I've seen my results already (servere side-effects)
flamo.
Edited by - bro_flamo on 04 March 2002 02:22:27
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: puddl on March 03, 2002, 22:56:52
Post by: puddl on March 03, 2002, 22:56:52
pfft ..
flamo, you have not astrally projected ..
You do not understand flamo.
This is about giving your body the experience of TRANCE once, in order
for it to have experienced it ONCE.
If it has been experienced once, it is a lot easier to get back into this state
WITHOUT THE AID OF a 3rd party drug.
flamo, you have not astrally projected ..
You do not understand flamo.
This is about giving your body the experience of TRANCE once, in order
for it to have experienced it ONCE.
If it has been experienced once, it is a lot easier to get back into this state
WITHOUT THE AID OF a 3rd party drug.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: puddl on March 04, 2002, 03:03:36
Post by: puddl on March 04, 2002, 03:03:36
Observer ...
I wrote you an email .. to observer_@hotmail.com
Could you please check it asap ?
Thanks.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: bro_flamo on March 04, 2002, 04:17:58
Post by: bro_flamo on March 04, 2002, 04:17:58
quote:
pfft ..
flamo, you have not astrally projected ..
You do not understand flamo.
This is about giving your body the experience of TRANCE once, in order
for it to have experienced it ONCE.
If it has been experienced once, it is a lot easier to get back into this state
WITHOUT THE AID OF a 3rd party drug.
you just don't get it do you....
in your eyes you're saying this 'I need that drug so BAD!' so you can get into trance, disrespect.
you don't need drugs to get into trance, yes it may take longer to develop, but at least I know i'm naturally aspirating my physical body into that state. How could you be certain that after doing it once, you won't do it again without the drug? Life's a mystery I guess....
flamo.
Edited by - bro_flamo on 04 March 2002 11:35:36
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: puddl on March 04, 2002, 04:40:23
Post by: puddl on March 04, 2002, 04:40:23
Well, it isn't for the weak minded, like you say. :)
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: cainam_nazier on March 04, 2002, 09:44:30
Post by: cainam_nazier on March 04, 2002, 09:44:30
Puddl,
Me, I wouldn't do it. The question here is control. Would you be able to? The mind can be a dangerous thing and one should always excerise extream caution when dealing with it. Any substance that alters the mind is dangerous. However you know your own mind better than anyone else. It is known that any mind altering substance inhibits a persons, how to put it, moral responsibilty. Your right from wrong can get impaired. So what you do when projecting, meditating, energy work, and so on could prove harmfull to you or people you know. Just food for thought.
"Control, you must learn control!"
so says master yoda.
David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
Me, I wouldn't do it. The question here is control. Would you be able to? The mind can be a dangerous thing and one should always excerise extream caution when dealing with it. Any substance that alters the mind is dangerous. However you know your own mind better than anyone else. It is known that any mind altering substance inhibits a persons, how to put it, moral responsibilty. Your right from wrong can get impaired. So what you do when projecting, meditating, energy work, and so on could prove harmfull to you or people you know. Just food for thought.
"Control, you must learn control!"
so says master yoda.
David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: observer on March 04, 2002, 11:25:04
Post by: observer on March 04, 2002, 11:25:04
I wonder why it is that so many who admit no personal knowledge of this issue feel compelled to take a stand on it. Very puzzling. This was one of the central points of Robert's book - not to judge or assume anything without personal experience. I can understand the reluctance to try a drug because it obviously represents the unknown to you no matter how much you've read about it. But that doesn't automatically translate to a requirement to have a negative opinion on the subject.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Adam on March 06, 2002, 19:34:32
Post by: Adam on March 06, 2002, 19:34:32
Hey..
This is a subject in which I've got a fair bit of experience in ;P
Smoking weed and doing energy work etc. definitely has its good and bad points. I did it for a while, but stopped smoking weed (well, cut it down drastically) recently as I realised it wasn't really getting me anywhere; it's just really a short-lived, artificially induced awareness, and because of this, it has it's downsides. But that said, it certainly boosted my awareness/sensitivity of my energy body. When high, I could move my awareness about and feel in incredible detail the area I focused my attention on. Plus it seemed to give me greater control over it.
The problem with using weed to get into the trace state, is that weed basically affects (for me) the anylitical part of the brain, and you start to get ideas and realisations, sometimes a whole gosh darn heap of them. This is probably the best of weed...altho often, with most of the realisations you'll be like..."Huh?" =P
But that's just me...I'd say - yeah, go ahead and try it once. It's a natural drug, and a lot safer than the manufactured stuff around. The worst that can happen is a bad case of paranoia - but if you're in the right situation, with the right people (or maybe none) then it's less likely you'll have a bad time.
Check out marijuana.com and ask the peeps there for advice. :)
---
BTW, it's only really a short term solution - but it can give you the little bit of insight you need.
This is a subject in which I've got a fair bit of experience in ;P
Smoking weed and doing energy work etc. definitely has its good and bad points. I did it for a while, but stopped smoking weed (well, cut it down drastically) recently as I realised it wasn't really getting me anywhere; it's just really a short-lived, artificially induced awareness, and because of this, it has it's downsides. But that said, it certainly boosted my awareness/sensitivity of my energy body. When high, I could move my awareness about and feel in incredible detail the area I focused my attention on. Plus it seemed to give me greater control over it.
The problem with using weed to get into the trace state, is that weed basically affects (for me) the anylitical part of the brain, and you start to get ideas and realisations, sometimes a whole gosh darn heap of them. This is probably the best of weed...altho often, with most of the realisations you'll be like..."Huh?" =P
But that's just me...I'd say - yeah, go ahead and try it once. It's a natural drug, and a lot safer than the manufactured stuff around. The worst that can happen is a bad case of paranoia - but if you're in the right situation, with the right people (or maybe none) then it's less likely you'll have a bad time.
Check out marijuana.com and ask the peeps there for advice. :)
---
BTW, it's only really a short term solution - but it can give you the little bit of insight you need.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: andy on March 07, 2002, 08:18:52
Post by: andy on March 07, 2002, 08:18:52
Hi Puddl,
I know nothing of your age or background but i'll toss in my two cents on the matter as i've got plenty of experience both at the begining and end of this subject.
There is some good advice in the above posts.But something I suggest you look into before taking that leap of faith is this: Your family tree,are there any alcoholics or drug users of the past? If so believe when I say genetics have alot to do with who you are chemistry wise.This could make a BIG difference in trying just once.
And:
Do you mind if on what ever level it is okay for drugs to enter your life? O" the simplicity!
Its just a couple of questions that you should ask yourself.
Never in my life have I met someone who said "im going to try it just twice" One time may be the intention but after the fact your veiw on the subject *might* change.
I personaly have not met a person who tried a drug only once though im sure they exsist.I have met a *few* who know the meaning of moderation or on occasion but most of those i've met or know were at one point abusive if not dependent on thier substance of choice/s at some point in time.[it creeps up on ya]
I say if you want to experience drugs go for it!
If you want trance,discipline,theres no substitute.
" A man with no martial arts ability can fight like Bruce Lee while under the influence of P.C.P.Does this mean a white belt in training should go out and smoke some dust?"
Just my take on the matter.
Peace,Andy
I know nothing of your age or background but i'll toss in my two cents on the matter as i've got plenty of experience both at the begining and end of this subject.
There is some good advice in the above posts.But something I suggest you look into before taking that leap of faith is this: Your family tree,are there any alcoholics or drug users of the past? If so believe when I say genetics have alot to do with who you are chemistry wise.This could make a BIG difference in trying just once.
And:
Do you mind if on what ever level it is okay for drugs to enter your life? O" the simplicity!
Its just a couple of questions that you should ask yourself.
Never in my life have I met someone who said "im going to try it just twice" One time may be the intention but after the fact your veiw on the subject *might* change.
I personaly have not met a person who tried a drug only once though im sure they exsist.I have met a *few* who know the meaning of moderation or on occasion but most of those i've met or know were at one point abusive if not dependent on thier substance of choice/s at some point in time.[it creeps up on ya]
I say if you want to experience drugs go for it!
If you want trance,discipline,theres no substitute.
" A man with no martial arts ability can fight like Bruce Lee while under the influence of P.C.P.Does this mean a white belt in training should go out and smoke some dust?"
Just my take on the matter.
Peace,Andy
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 08, 2002, 14:57:29
Post by: Dog Faced Liar on March 08, 2002, 14:57:29
Ha
Gettin High
Ok first, I have seen some pretty strange things, while just smoking weed.
Secondly, if your going to smoke weed do make sure you are in the right environment.
- comfortable atmosphere
- right type of music
An interesting experience is listening to live music, even if it is taped, like a concert while high, if you have a sony play station and you can have it so it has the function that goes along with the music use it. I have seen some pretty strange things in that.
If your going to ingest have it in brownies or chocolate chip cookies you want something with a fat content.
Have seen my alarm clock float, while on brownies!
I have been wanting to get into trance music if anyone knows of any good trance, ambient or acid jazz albums that doesnt have any lyrics.
It would be greatly appreciated if you could leave your suggestions.
Thanks
Gettin High
Ok first, I have seen some pretty strange things, while just smoking weed.
Secondly, if your going to smoke weed do make sure you are in the right environment.
- comfortable atmosphere
- right type of music
An interesting experience is listening to live music, even if it is taped, like a concert while high, if you have a sony play station and you can have it so it has the function that goes along with the music use it. I have seen some pretty strange things in that.
If your going to ingest have it in brownies or chocolate chip cookies you want something with a fat content.
Have seen my alarm clock float, while on brownies!
I have been wanting to get into trance music if anyone knows of any good trance, ambient or acid jazz albums that doesnt have any lyrics.
It would be greatly appreciated if you could leave your suggestions.
Thanks
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Florian on March 12, 2002, 16:12:14
Post by: Florian on March 12, 2002, 16:12:14
Hey Puddl,
I tried weed a couple of times, and had some strange fx, but I pretty soon stopped it, as it didn't give me as much as other ppl told me it would. Plus I'm nonsmoker usually
In my experience, practice is the only valid thing to get your skills better. Pot doesn't change your system, so shure, you can try. But you get into trance about everyday just before being completley asleep, so...
Just try to stay away from LSD & co, as they can radically change your biosystem. I personally know of a case where a person, that had LSD once b4, got a near lethal dosis of anaesthetics and was still wide awake (so better be honest if a doc asks you about drugs before surgery )
just my 2 cents
take care !
I tried weed a couple of times, and had some strange fx, but I pretty soon stopped it, as it didn't give me as much as other ppl told me it would. Plus I'm nonsmoker usually
In my experience, practice is the only valid thing to get your skills better. Pot doesn't change your system, so shure, you can try. But you get into trance about everyday just before being completley asleep, so...
Just try to stay away from LSD & co, as they can radically change your biosystem. I personally know of a case where a person, that had LSD once b4, got a near lethal dosis of anaesthetics and was still wide awake (so better be honest if a doc asks you about drugs before surgery
)just my 2 cents
take care !
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Bhikku on March 12, 2002, 18:10:26
Post by: Bhikku on March 12, 2002, 18:10:26
I will admit that I am an avid toker and have been for many years. I have been cutting back a lot recently, and hope to one day stop entirely. My advice to you is this= try it, but don't try to do any spirtual training or NEW while high. There are a few reasons for this. 1. You don't want to confuse anything as far as your energy raising/awareness and just being high. 2. You more likely than not will be laughing your butt off for 2 hours, and won't be able to take anything seroiusly. So my advice is try it, that way you can preach on how bad it is, or how great it is, WITH having actual first hand experience. Then if you wish to continue your NEW exercises or whatever, incorperate the 2. This way you can see the individual effects of each, then of the 2 togehter. Happy stoning!
"Look within, thou art the Budda"
"Look within, thou art the Budda"
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 12, 2002, 23:23:33
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 12, 2002, 23:23:33
Some drugs and alcohol can lower inhibitions, which can temporarily increase a person's facility with psi. But any extended use, or higher doses, IME invariably reduce facility with abilities. In some cases, some drugs can cause permanent damage, such as LSD.
It's a temporary, illusory effect--it's the lowering of inhibitions that causes the increase, not the drug itself.
--Winged Wolf
It's a temporary, illusory effect--it's the lowering of inhibitions that causes the increase, not the drug itself.
--Winged Wolf
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: distant bell on March 14, 2002, 09:53:38
Post by: distant bell on March 14, 2002, 09:53:38
I have used the five leafed plant on three ocasions, and al three
times I just got wery paranoid and feelt sick. The reason I tried
again after the first unsucsesfull atempt, was that I kind of wanted
to give it a fair chans. And It was told to me that a bad trip might be due to bad quality of the pot. Well, all in al I cannot recomend it. I hade a friend who smoked regularly, and he never was consentrated during his highs. So doing energy work might be pretty hard if you have smoked and feel all happy and flappy...
times I just got wery paranoid and feelt sick. The reason I tried
again after the first unsucsesfull atempt, was that I kind of wanted
to give it a fair chans. And It was told to me that a bad trip might be due to bad quality of the pot. Well, all in al I cannot recomend it. I hade a friend who smoked regularly, and he never was consentrated during his highs. So doing energy work might be pretty hard if you have smoked and feel all happy and flappy...
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Rob on March 14, 2002, 20:59:27
Post by: Rob on March 14, 2002, 20:59:27
Anyone know anything about the energy body/psychic affects of ketamine???
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Mobius on March 14, 2002, 22:37:27
Post by: Mobius on March 14, 2002, 22:37:27
Hey Inguma,
Ive heard & read a little on Ketamine, very interesting OBE inducer,
although I,ve never tried it or heard of anyone who has, I,d like
to see a few thousand Guinea pigs try it before I gave it a go.
I,ve read a bit into L.S.D, angels trumpets, Salvia, Blue water lily,
Payote, but I read one about what the Shamans used in the Peruvian
Amazon,by swiss anthropologist Jeremy Narby " The Cosmic Serpent, DNA
& the origins of Knowledge ".They used one in particular for trances,
Ayahuasca, a combination of 2 plants with specific amounts of each.
In a couple of years I hope to work in the area of Genetics or DNA,
so this stuff is very interesting for me.How without the aid of
books or records did they make this mixture out of the 80,000 species
of plants in the Amazon?
The 1st plant contains a hormone naturally secreted in the human
brain, dimethyltryptamine, which doesn,t work if you eat it on its
own, as enzymes in the stomach stop its effects.But the 2nd plant
they used in conjunction with the 1st, conteracted the enzymes
blocking ability.
When asked where they got the knowledge from they said it was "given"
to them by the spirits, through their Shamans.
The Shamans in the Amazon & others around the world shared a
similar insight, that in every creature lived 2 serpents.
This was all before we had electron microscopes & know about DNA.
The shamans insisted that they communicated with the serpents & were
told things that were beneficial to them & provided much
enlightenment from these serpents.
This twin serpent thing has been featuring in our history for a long,
long time now, the symbol of the 2 serpents or snakes is used in
most Hospitals or medical centres as well as the Kundalini symbol.
Many cultures & religions worship the serpent/snake/dragon/Quetzal-
coatl, funny that eh? worshipping these twin serpents that are
really in every living being on this planet as D.N.A.
It opens all sorts of questions like, ARE they intelligent? & can
we comunicate with them? And who,s in charge here?The D.N.A have
so much information & are so complex its just no joke.
You might have heard the old " we only use 20% of our brains " but
you probably dont know that the Genetic code in the human Genome is
made up of only 3% of the D.N.A available.We have worked out 3%!!!
& thats a lot, its what you look like, how you behave, your
physical attributes & future diseases you are succeptable to, just a
few! so what does the other 97% of D.N.A do?
Now for Marijuana, not that I encourage anyone to use it, its your
choice, but people seem to relate DRUGS or bad drugs as they would
like to see it, but never look at the thousands killed every year
from prescription drugs, has there been a recorded death from
Marijuana any where in the world? I dont think so.
Just think about the definition of Anti-biotics, next time you
swallow one down....ANTI ( speaks for itself )
BIOTIC ( life )
I,ve probably bored hell out of you all with my science geek stuff,
but I love the topic anyway.
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Ive heard & read a little on Ketamine, very interesting OBE inducer,
although I,ve never tried it or heard of anyone who has, I,d like
to see a few thousand Guinea pigs try it before I gave it a go.
I,ve read a bit into L.S.D, angels trumpets, Salvia, Blue water lily,
Payote, but I read one about what the Shamans used in the Peruvian
Amazon,by swiss anthropologist Jeremy Narby " The Cosmic Serpent, DNA
& the origins of Knowledge ".They used one in particular for trances,
Ayahuasca, a combination of 2 plants with specific amounts of each.
In a couple of years I hope to work in the area of Genetics or DNA,
so this stuff is very interesting for me.How without the aid of
books or records did they make this mixture out of the 80,000 species
of plants in the Amazon?
The 1st plant contains a hormone naturally secreted in the human
brain, dimethyltryptamine, which doesn,t work if you eat it on its
own, as enzymes in the stomach stop its effects.But the 2nd plant
they used in conjunction with the 1st, conteracted the enzymes
blocking ability.
When asked where they got the knowledge from they said it was "given"
to them by the spirits, through their Shamans.
The Shamans in the Amazon & others around the world shared a
similar insight, that in every creature lived 2 serpents.
This was all before we had electron microscopes & know about DNA.
The shamans insisted that they communicated with the serpents & were
told things that were beneficial to them & provided much
enlightenment from these serpents.
This twin serpent thing has been featuring in our history for a long,
long time now, the symbol of the 2 serpents or snakes is used in
most Hospitals or medical centres as well as the Kundalini symbol.
Many cultures & religions worship the serpent/snake/dragon/Quetzal-
coatl, funny that eh? worshipping these twin serpents that are
really in every living being on this planet as D.N.A.
It opens all sorts of questions like, ARE they intelligent? & can
we comunicate with them? And who,s in charge here?The D.N.A have
so much information & are so complex its just no joke.
You might have heard the old " we only use 20% of our brains " but
you probably dont know that the Genetic code in the human Genome is
made up of only 3% of the D.N.A available.We have worked out 3%!!!
& thats a lot, its what you look like, how you behave, your
physical attributes & future diseases you are succeptable to, just a
few! so what does the other 97% of D.N.A do?
Now for Marijuana, not that I encourage anyone to use it, its your
choice, but people seem to relate DRUGS or bad drugs as they would
like to see it, but never look at the thousands killed every year
from prescription drugs, has there been a recorded death from
Marijuana any where in the world? I dont think so.
Just think about the definition of Anti-biotics, next time you
swallow one down....ANTI ( speaks for itself )
BIOTIC ( life )
I,ve probably bored hell out of you all with my science geek stuff,
but I love the topic anyway.
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Mobius on March 15, 2002, 17:13:12
Post by: Mobius on March 15, 2002, 17:13:12
Hi everyone, just adding this link to my last post for a bit of illustration & some more theory.
All the best on your journeys
www.crystalinks.com/kundalini.html
Mobius
All the best on your journeys
www.crystalinks.com/kundalini.html
Mobius
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 15, 2002, 23:56:47
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 15, 2002, 23:56:47
Actually, we know a LOT more than 3% now. Do a search on the Human Genome Project.
We're making very substantial progress in mapping out the entire human genome, and identifying what each gene does.
There are, however, some genes the purpose of which we might not be able to identify, at least not for quite some time. In all normal pesons, these genes are not active--they're "junk DNA", leftover code from our evolution which is permanently switched off now. Who knows what might be hiding in there?
--Winged Wolf
We're making very substantial progress in mapping out the entire human genome, and identifying what each gene does.
There are, however, some genes the purpose of which we might not be able to identify, at least not for quite some time. In all normal pesons, these genes are not active--they're "junk DNA", leftover code from our evolution which is permanently switched off now. Who knows what might be hiding in there?
--Winged Wolf
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Mobius on March 16, 2002, 05:58:34
Post by: Mobius on March 16, 2002, 05:58:34
To Winged wolf, yep know about the Human Genome project, but thats
only knowing D.N.A that makes a human body & what certain genes are responsible for what.They know the basic enzymes that make up D.N.A
Adenine,Guanine,cytosine & thymine & how they like to pair, which is
useful for proving someones identity as you can match up the
GATTACA,s? letters for a match, but they dont understand what they do
completely, the info for that 3% was of Dec 2000 so I,d imagine a bit more been uncovered since then.
Its the genetic code in the human genome they have mapped, which the
D.N.A only uses 3% of its total information to do.Still its a full
page of C,T,A,G & U,s in random order an incredible task!
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
only knowing D.N.A that makes a human body & what certain genes are responsible for what.They know the basic enzymes that make up D.N.A
Adenine,Guanine,cytosine & thymine & how they like to pair, which is
useful for proving someones identity as you can match up the
GATTACA,s? letters for a match, but they dont understand what they do
completely, the info for that 3% was of Dec 2000 so I,d imagine a bit more been uncovered since then.
Its the genetic code in the human genome they have mapped, which the
D.N.A only uses 3% of its total information to do.Still its a full
page of C,T,A,G & U,s in random order an incredible task!
All the best on your journeys
Mobius
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 16, 2002, 12:41:59
Post by: Winged_Wolf on March 16, 2002, 12:41:59
Yes, they've been busy little beavers in the past couple of years. You can go to the HGP website to see what they've got so far. The amount of information they've uncovered is staggering, and they can now use tests to determine whether a person is going to develop or is at risk for hundreds of genetic diseases.
--Winged Wolf
--Winged Wolf
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: puddl on March 02, 2002, 06:25:39
Post by: puddl on March 02, 2002, 06:25:39
I personally do not drink/smoke, but I was wondering ...
A person I know told me that when smoking marijuana his awareness is a LOT greater
and thus easier to practice NEW excercises and get into TRANCE.
Now what I want to know is, whether anyone here agrees...
Would it be 'alright' if I were to get 'stoned' ONCE ? And try to get into trance through that way. I've had troubles with trance, and I Was thinking perhaps this might 'free' myself a little , or loosen me up ..
Just a though, but want some more oppinions of you all on whether
this would be intelligent or foolish.
thank you.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: GypsyWanderer on January 02, 2005, 21:53:51
Post by: GypsyWanderer on January 02, 2005, 21:53:51
lets not forget why cannibis was made illegal in the first place, the federal government of the united states was using cannibis hemp for nearly all their paper and it was remarkably easy to do, then found out that they could make way more money from the more expensive to process and sell other trees, illegalized it, had WWI, people came back afterwards, hey whys this illegal, oh its bad for you, prove it, federal government injects rat with twice its body mass full of thc, rat explodes, test proves marijuana is bad, everyone gasps, enter the age of everyone believes everything they shouldnt
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Oversoul on January 04, 2005, 01:46:36
Post by: Oversoul on January 04, 2005, 01:46:36
Quote from: GypsyWandererlets not forget why cannabis was made illegal in the first place, the federal government of the united states was using cannabis hemp for nearly all their paper and it was remarkably easy to do, then found out that they could make way more money from the more expensive to process and sell other trees, illegalized it, had WWI, people came back afterwards, hey whys this illegal, oh its bad for you, prove it, federal government injects rat with twice its body mass full of thc, rat explodes, test proves marijuana is bad, everyone gasps, enter the age of everyone believes everything they shouldntWhy did I find myself laughing at the hilarity of that just to end of shivering at the disturbance...
Actually, I like marijuana. I find i'm much more telepathic when on it and my energy body is more sensitive and sensed as strengthened. The downside is that i don't feel as intelligent when on it. I definitely couldn't do any algebra while on it, then again at times when on it i'm very fast at calculating numbers but mostly just addition and subtraction with any sort of number high or low. Like when i'm tallying in my head how much my change will be when I have the munchies and decide to order at Jack in the Box. As has been said in this thread, there's pro's and con's to it, puddl. Just don't do it too often and you'll be alright. I would definitely recommend at least trying it once. It can be a very cool experience. I remember my first time was the best. I did end up doing it a lot when i was in high school but cooled down a hell of a lot after. Now, i'll maybe do it once a month at most but I still really enjoy it. I think it's better than alcohol and it harms a lot less of your body than sauce too. BUT!, I would not recommend using marijuana and doing energetic development work. I've tried that and the energy just gets WAY too intense. You should sit back and enjoy the experience. Sometimes the eyes are bigger than what you think you could handle. Ask and ye shall receive works a lot with hallucinogens (especially psychedelics) so be careful, especially for your first time. Take it slow and easy. Patience should be the predominant force in spiritual development. *just realized* Have you tried it yet? It's been a little while since you first mentioned it. Let us know what your experience was if you did.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Allseeingeyes on January 04, 2005, 23:06:32
Post by: Allseeingeyes on January 04, 2005, 23:06:32
I smoke marijuana often.
It can be a good spiritual tool..
Just be sure to keep your protection up and
cleanse your energy and charge it for good.
Ive been astrally attacked a few times
while stoned, for me it makes the barrier
between this realm and the astral realm
more malliable, and that can open you up
for attack as well.
Good Luck and Enjoy! Marijuana can
be a wonderful experiance as long as its not
abused. :)
It can be a good spiritual tool..
Just be sure to keep your protection up and
cleanse your energy and charge it for good.
Ive been astrally attacked a few times
while stoned, for me it makes the barrier
between this realm and the astral realm
more malliable, and that can open you up
for attack as well.
Good Luck and Enjoy! Marijuana can
be a wonderful experiance as long as its not
abused. :)
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: beavis on January 05, 2005, 05:19:32
Post by: beavis on January 05, 2005, 05:19:32
Once in a lifetime or once a month are both too infrequent to negatively affect projection ability after its over at all.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: You on January 05, 2005, 08:34:10
Post by: You on January 05, 2005, 08:34:10
I don't because it's illegal. If I go to a country where it isn't I may try it once or twice... I don't like anything too sensory altering though...showers and sleep and spinning in circles to make myself dizzy aside.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: heter on January 06, 2005, 04:37:37
Post by: heter on January 06, 2005, 04:37:37
I smoke marijuana at times. I have never had the time to sit down and attempt meditation with it, but I can tell that if I did it would really easy to concentrate and get into trance. If you are just sitting there stoned, you sort of feel like you are already in a trance state. I have also tried moving my energy around and found it felt diffrent. I have a friend who says projection is very easy to do when stoned. I am going to try to meditate while high tommorrow and I'll let you know how it goes.
As far as marijuana effects, this what I usually experience.
Wavy vision
Heavy sensation like trance or deep relaxation.
Sort of slowed vision, if you turn your head fast it feels like it goes slower than normal.
Everything is much funnier. Colors look amazing, music is wonderful to listen to.
http://www.larrycarlson.com is AWESOME when high. Cartoons are also very intresting.
You lose your logical thinking in a way, you also don't care what other people think of you so much and could care less if you embarrass yourself.
You get a bit paranoid if you are in a risky situation.
Anyway thats what I usually feel when I'm blazed. The effects can last strongly for maybe 2-3 hours and it starts wearing off then depending on how much you smoked. A very small amount of good stuff (cripto crippy crip in Florida, even less of northern lights and other good stuff, hydro etc) smoked in a pipe can get you very high. I'm talking about like 2 little buds smaller then your little toes nail. I would strongly reccommend a pipe instead of joints. Here is how to make a homemade pipe that works
:D EDITED
Dont ban me please
As far as marijuana effects, this what I usually experience.
Wavy vision
Heavy sensation like trance or deep relaxation.
Sort of slowed vision, if you turn your head fast it feels like it goes slower than normal.
Everything is much funnier. Colors look amazing, music is wonderful to listen to.
http://www.larrycarlson.com is AWESOME when high. Cartoons are also very intresting.
You lose your logical thinking in a way, you also don't care what other people think of you so much and could care less if you embarrass yourself.
You get a bit paranoid if you are in a risky situation.
Anyway thats what I usually feel when I'm blazed. The effects can last strongly for maybe 2-3 hours and it starts wearing off then depending on how much you smoked. A very small amount of good stuff (cripto crippy crip in Florida, even less of northern lights and other good stuff, hydro etc) smoked in a pipe can get you very high. I'm talking about like 2 little buds smaller then your little toes nail. I would strongly reccommend a pipe instead of joints. Here is how to make a homemade pipe that works
:D EDITED
Dont ban me please
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: karnautrahl on January 06, 2005, 05:03:55
Post by: karnautrahl on January 06, 2005, 05:03:55
The illegality of a drug is to me a poor reason not to try it :-). Mainly because by accepting the opinion of the government on it you aren't making a real choice but following the party line. Now not trying a drug because it's not an experience you want, you don't like what it's done to anyone you know who's tried it. Or for health reasons and gut instinct-those are some of the best reasons in the world.
I won't try cocaine because I don't want to snort something up my nose, I don't truly understand what it will do to me and it's too pricey.
I won't try heroine because I've seen too many addicts. Their lives ARE ruined.
I've tried cannabis plenty, because only in extreme cases have I seen harm just like with alcohol etc
I've tried speed because again it took abuse on the users part before it caused issues.
The legal thing isn't the reason to not try for me, the health thing is. :-)
Speed scatters chi, cannabis slows it down for me.
I won't try cocaine because I don't want to snort something up my nose, I don't truly understand what it will do to me and it's too pricey.
I won't try heroine because I've seen too many addicts. Their lives ARE ruined.
I've tried cannabis plenty, because only in extreme cases have I seen harm just like with alcohol etc
I've tried speed because again it took abuse on the users part before it caused issues.
The legal thing isn't the reason to not try for me, the health thing is. :-)
Speed scatters chi, cannabis slows it down for me.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: heter on January 06, 2005, 05:17:40
Post by: heter on January 06, 2005, 05:17:40
Quote from: karnautrahlThe illegality of a drug is to me a poor reason not to try it :-). Mainly because by accepting the opinion of the government on it you aren't making a real choice but following the party line. Now not trying a drug because it's not an experience you want, you don't like what it's done to anyone you know who's tried it. Or for health reasons and gut instinct-those are some of the best reasons in the world.
I won't try cocaine because I don't want to snort something up my nose, I don't truly understand what it will do to me and it's too pricey.
I won't try heroine because I've seen too many addicts. Their lives ARE ruined.
I've tried cannabis plenty, because only in extreme cases have I seen harm just like with alcohol etc
I've tried speed because again it took abuse on the users part before it caused issues.
The legal thing isn't the reason to not try for me, the health thing is. :-)
Speed scatters chi, cannabis slows it down for me.
I totally agree with you. I would never try heroin, cocaine etc because they are highly addictive and I have seen their affects. On the other hand I have never heard if weed killing anyone or ruining anyones life.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: karnautrahl on January 06, 2005, 06:50:10
Post by: karnautrahl on January 06, 2005, 06:50:10
LOL that's a funny place to put weed taking instructions :-).
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: heter on January 07, 2005, 02:34:28
Post by: heter on January 07, 2005, 02:34:28
O_O I'm still kind of high so bear with me.
I think I might of smoked a bit to much today. Here are some things I tried.
I tried to meditate a few times, I closed my eyes and immediately it felt like I was falling and I could feel something pulsating really fast. I know it wasn't my heart because it pulsated every quarter second or faster. I had really intense feelings all over my body, very heavy and very strong. I was scared to continue, mostly because i was high and I thought I would die, but also because I had never felt such strong trance related symptoms. Something very interesting that happened was that I either hallucinated or something else happened. I'm not sure if you can hallucinate when you smoke weed, but the first time I had seen little animated cartoon mouth open and close as I heated up food in the microwave that kept shouting "Eat eat eat eat eat". After 5 seconds I realized what was happening and I attempted to regain control of myself for just a bit. I tried visualizing whatever I wanted and noticed that I could control images in my head. Could be that weed improved my clairvoyance? Or was I just hallucinating? Anyway after that I tried storing energy and noticed weed makes energy harder to move.
I think I might of smoked a bit to much today. Here are some things I tried.
I tried to meditate a few times, I closed my eyes and immediately it felt like I was falling and I could feel something pulsating really fast. I know it wasn't my heart because it pulsated every quarter second or faster. I had really intense feelings all over my body, very heavy and very strong. I was scared to continue, mostly because i was high and I thought I would die, but also because I had never felt such strong trance related symptoms. Something very interesting that happened was that I either hallucinated or something else happened. I'm not sure if you can hallucinate when you smoke weed, but the first time I had seen little animated cartoon mouth open and close as I heated up food in the microwave that kept shouting "Eat eat eat eat eat". After 5 seconds I realized what was happening and I attempted to regain control of myself for just a bit. I tried visualizing whatever I wanted and noticed that I could control images in my head. Could be that weed improved my clairvoyance? Or was I just hallucinating? Anyway after that I tried storing energy and noticed weed makes energy harder to move.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Allseeingeyes on January 09, 2005, 15:55:12
Post by: Allseeingeyes on January 09, 2005, 15:55:12
^ LOL! I wish weed did that kinda stuff for me.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: heter on January 11, 2005, 10:48:56
Post by: heter on January 11, 2005, 10:48:56
Quote from: Allseeingeyes^ LOL! I wish weed did that kinda stuff for me.
Yeah I smoked crippy or cripto down here in Florida. I have a pretty low tolerance to weed also.
Title: info about marijuana use.
Post by: de_tec on January 13, 2005, 17:54:55
Post by: de_tec on January 13, 2005, 17:54:55
Scientists have learned a great deal about how THC acts in the brain to produce its many effects. When someone smokes marijuana, THC rapidly passes from the lungs into the bloodstream, which carries the chemical to organs throughout the body, including the brain.
In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement. just some info......
Hec. aka de_tec
In the brain, THC connects to specific sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells and influences the activity of those cells. Some brain areas have many cannabinoid receptors; others have few or none. Many cannabinoid receptors are found in the parts of the brain that influence pleasure, memory, thought, concentration, sensory and time perception, and coordinated movement. just some info......
Hec. aka de_tec
Title: Andrew Weil
Post by: pharmakeia on February 05, 2005, 20:22:45
Post by: pharmakeia on February 05, 2005, 20:22:45
Read "The Natural Mind" by Andrel Weil - he is a well known author. He states that we can learn to mimic vibrational awareness caused by our environment enterour our body and us relating and learning from it. He considers all of nature as a teacher.
Face it. Addiction is a portal negatives use to gain access to precious human soul energy, but the exploration of consiousness thru the known medicines and poisons of mankind is a space of both shamistic and puritine debacle.
pharmakeia
Face it. Addiction is a portal negatives use to gain access to precious human soul energy, but the exploration of consiousness thru the known medicines and poisons of mankind is a space of both shamistic and puritine debacle.
pharmakeia
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: BirdManKalki on February 08, 2005, 11:03:39
Post by: BirdManKalki on February 08, 2005, 11:03:39
My farther was in Thailand making a road during the Vietnam War, he smoked Thai with the villagers for over 12 months, one of his friends was so stoned he jumped headfirst off one of the village huts that were raised above the ground, he died.
There is one reported Cannabis Death overdose reported in Britain, I don't believe it myself.
I heard 2nd hand from the radio about an experiment done with cannabis, a few people drove around a driving coarse they were timed, and then each smoked a joint and drove round again, after smoking the joint their driving was enhanced.
I smoke cannabis, I smoke probably three joints a week at the most, and I share these with my friends. I'm a natural philosopher, I have a natural curiosity for truth, and some of my most important realisations started off as vague thought-forms via the smoking of cannabis, cannabis frees the mind, this is why it is illegal. I also had a very extreme spiritual experience on a 10 or 15 gram Hawaii mushroom trip.
Some Cannabis leaves have seven bladed points on them; there are seven days in the week. Cannabis is green.
There is one reported Cannabis Death overdose reported in Britain, I don't believe it myself.
I heard 2nd hand from the radio about an experiment done with cannabis, a few people drove around a driving coarse they were timed, and then each smoked a joint and drove round again, after smoking the joint their driving was enhanced.
I smoke cannabis, I smoke probably three joints a week at the most, and I share these with my friends. I'm a natural philosopher, I have a natural curiosity for truth, and some of my most important realisations started off as vague thought-forms via the smoking of cannabis, cannabis frees the mind, this is why it is illegal. I also had a very extreme spiritual experience on a 10 or 15 gram Hawaii mushroom trip.
Some Cannabis leaves have seven bladed points on them; there are seven days in the week. Cannabis is green.
Title: Marijuana - Once in a lifetime ...
Post by: Nay on February 08, 2005, 12:07:17
Post by: Nay on February 08, 2005, 12:07:17
I've overlooked this thread for a few days...and I would like to suggest one thing. Personal information on how, when and if you are high while on the boards, is a keep to yourself topic.
This isn't High-times magazine and we do not promote drugs of any kind on these forums. It seems some are glorifing it and I do not want the younger folks to get any ideas that smoking is the way to go.
Understand? If not, I'm afraid I'll have to lock the thread. And if any of you stoners have a problem with my decision, don't complain on the boards, PM me directly and I will have no problem explaining it a way you will understand. :)
Thank you kindly,
Nay
This isn't High-times magazine and we do not promote drugs of any kind on these forums. It seems some are glorifing it and I do not want the younger folks to get any ideas that smoking is the way to go.
Understand? If not, I'm afraid I'll have to lock the thread. And if any of you stoners have a problem with my decision, don't complain on the boards, PM me directly and I will have no problem explaining it a way you will understand. :)
Thank you kindly,
Nay