You know i don't really know in what direction i want bring this topic i mean like my question is what people really mean when they say speak about Masculine Energy, when they tell you tune into it, do this, be this i feel like someone is trying to label me and i if i follow their let's call "advices" i loose my self but still what you think what is Masculine Energy how it can be identifed and does it have any characteristics and maybe your basic knowledge about Masculine energy in general.
Quote from: Positive3 on September 01, 2016, 12:21:42
You know i don't really know in what direction i want bring this topic i mean like my question is what people really mean when they say speak about Masculine Energy, when they tell you tune into it, do this, be this i feel like someone is trying to label me and i if i follow their let's call "advices" i loose my self but still what you think what is Masculine Energy how it can be identifed and does it have any characteristics and maybe your basic knowledge about Masculine energy in general.
Google "Yin/Yang"
When did society become allergic to "labels"?
Labels can be a very useful tool. TOols can be used in a variety of ways. A hammer is usually used to build something or make quick progress on a project that would otherwise take a very long time without it. Just because someone occasionally uses it to break into someone's home does not make it a bad thing all of a sudden.
Quote from: RobertForsythe on September 01, 2016, 17:58:09
Google "Yin/Yang"
When did society become allergic to "labels"?
Labels can be a very useful tool. Tools can be used in a variety of ways. A hammer is usually used to build something or make quick progress on a project that would otherwise take a very long time without it. Just because someone occasionally uses it to break into someone's home does not make it a bad thing all of a sudden.
You may think I'm totally against labels... but, I'm not. Labels are how we communicate. It's actually how our language works. It works rather well when we provide a label for something and then we all agree upon the definition of that label.
What I'm against is when people think that their particular (subjective) label is how it is and the ONLY way it can be and exclude anything from their experience which doesn't fit that label. They end up doing more harm than good to themselves.
Take the term "OBE" for example: "OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE".
This is probably THE worst thing Robert Monroe ever unleashed on the world as, in my perspective, at no point are you ever "out" of your "body". You're not even *IN* a body to begin with.
But, you have people today who try sooooooooooo very hard to get "out" of their body... that even if they do have a valid projection, but it doesn't include that sensation of "leaving" their body, then they discard the entire experience. This is putting the cart before the horse and I see it happen OFTEN here on the Pulse.
Ultimately, (and especially in regards to this subject) labels blind people and keep them stuck in a box. Anything which happens outside the box, anything which doesn't easily and neatly fit into one of the many labels someone knows, gets thrown away. I try to get people to, at the very least, WIDEN their box a bit so that much less falls to the outside.
I am little bit confused isnt yin yang playing the duality game and the reason i am alergic xd to labelling is because that label appeears to be only truth for peole and i think it will go in good/bad, right/wrong and i think thats the problem we like to call thing name they arent and then traped in our own made labbels i am little bit confused now on this subject so i dont know if i cleared out what i wanted to say
Anyways lets please go back to topic : D
Masculine Energy = Electric = Catalyst = Action
Feminine Energy = Magnetic = Compassion = Attraction
When speaking of masculine and feminine energy it is not always or necessarily in the context of male and female as in the physical body. Both men and women need a balance of both energies to be whole.
Quote from: Positive3 on September 01, 2016, 20:57:54
I am little bit confused isnt yin yang playing the duality game and the reason i am alergic xd to labelling is because that label appeears to be only truth for peole and i think it will go in good/bad, right/wrong and i think thats the problem we like to call thing name they arent and then traped in our own made labbels i am little bit confused now on this subject so i dont know if i cleared out what i wanted to say
Anyways lets please go back to topic : D
Duality game -- shmooality game... just make sure you don't confuse H2O with electrons...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a97J7j84gWY
:wink:
So a male physical body contains as feminine so masculine energy?
Quote from: Positive3 on September 02, 2016, 07:32:31
So a male physical body contains as feminine so masculine energy?
They're just labels. Everything is consciousness. Consciousness has no "gender" beyond what we subjectively assign to it, hence why they're just labels.
Genders are distinct, no denying it. But you don't have to fit one or the other. Why force yourself to fit an arbitrary standard?
There are aspects of gender that are easier to adhere to, because they make social interaction easier. For instance, men and women wear distinct kinds of clothing, and most people use this to understand one another in social situations. But they are all constructs ultimately, and I think when you realize this, you will be less concerned with meeting a standard.
For instance, I am biologically male, and I present as male in public because it is socially simpler to do so. But I don't really think of myself as gendered. It doesn't inform my notion of self in any way that is useful to me.
To some degree one has to grow into a man with masculine energy. It doesn't necessarily come naturally. We would do best to grow into our roles. Boys learning to be men and girls learning to be women. It creates a good dynamic. Nothing worse than having women act like men and vise versa.
And this proves it.
2006 Self Made Man: Norah Vincent chooses Female Privilege over Male Privilege
https://youtu.be/Ip7kP_dd6LU
So enjoy your role as a man here while you can and embrace your masculine traits. What's the alternative acting like a women. :wink:
So lets go over what it means to be a man and taking on the role of the masculine energy. It means being assertive, it means being a leader in your own way. It means having confidence in yourself and your leadership and even more importantly having confidence in your sexuality. I means being grounded in reality and yourself, being stable and unmoved by women's emotional roller coasters that they test you with. It means knowing yourself to a high degree. It means having unapologetic honesty about yourself and what you believe.
Now all those are ideal, some of them are more important than others but you get the idea. All these things are very attractive to very feminine women. Remember we evolved a certain way and evolutionary psychology plays a big role in how women pick their mates. Despite what feminists say our genes dictate a lot of how we act in the world through millions of years of evolution. It's no coincidence that women are attracted to the traits listed above. Anyway hope that helps.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 03, 2016, 14:09:00
To some degree one has to grow into a man with masculine energy. It doesn't necessarily come naturally. We would do best to grow into our roles. Boys learning to be men and girls learning to be women. It creates a good dynamic. Nothing worse than having women act like men and vise versa.
Why?
That's the kind of "label" thinking I'm referring to. Our society has these lines drawn in the sand and if you deviate from that line, you get laughed at.
What exactly does "acting like a man" mean? What does "acting like a woman" mean?
I know you have answers for those questions, we all do, but they're NOT REAL answers... they're what society has conditioned you to believe.
Just like society has conditioned you to think that you're just a physical body in this physical reality and that's it.
When you TRULY break down through the crap which society has taught you to be true... you find there's really no substance behind most of it. It's just fear.
This also goes DIRECTLY into this talk about "masculine energy"... such a thing doesn't exist. There is only "consciousness". That's the one truth of everything.
Quote from: Xanth on September 03, 2016, 16:28:59
Why?
That's the kind of "label" thinking I'm referring to. Our society has these lines drawn in the sand and if you deviate from that line, you get laughed at.
What exactly does "acting like a man" mean? What does "acting like a woman" mean?
I know you have answers for those questions, we all do, but they're NOT REAL answers... they're what society has conditioned you to believe.
Just like society has conditioned you to think that you're just a physical body in this physical reality and that's it.
When you TRULY break down through the crap which society has taught you to be true... you find there's really no substance behind most of it. It's just fear.
This also goes DIRECTLY into this talk about "masculine energy"... such a thing doesn't exist. There is only "consciousness". That's the one truth of everything.
I admit that these labels are here because they work to help us fit in and have a common goal. There is a reason that men are suppose to act like men and women are suppose to act like women. Since it creates a universal meme dynamic that works well together to bring men and women together in marriage. And I admit that it seems like at the end of the day it's just that. Roles that we take up and help us fit into a certain type of role which helps men and women come together for a common purpose. But I also can't deny the power of evolutionary psychology in this whole thing too. So I see both sides of the coin.
You know sometimes i realize that i trap my self into illusion or like labbel my self, hard to explain on english as it's not my native language but the thing is that's what makes sometimes my experience amazing i mean living life and enjoying or playing these tricky games there is some kind of beauty same goes when u are in game and u like to act like a good citizen or a honorable warrior what ever doesn't same goes to life, i beleive we are here to experience so i think even if i try to fit in in a labble or labble my self it will be kind of experience for me what's bad in that isn't that the thing to experience different situations? cry, laugh , have fun , work what ever u want to do, i don't mean become a animal rush out in world and like be a catastrophe but like lol i find sometimes big enjoyment in this, i like to create sertain emotions to experience different things, i may sometimes force my self to be depressed when i am alone because sometimes it feels good, sometimes it feels good just not to care maybe this is because of my early age "youth" and i will realize it later but as far as it doesn't destroy me or goes against me for this moment i am fine with it, or maybe it does and i don't realiaze it.
and actually i asked my self but never questioned it here from xanth and other members who say we are here to learn love , how u came to that understading don't get me wrong this is not attacking style or something like that, i like to have friendly chat so without sarcasm or something like that my question is : How you know that we are here to learn how to love?
Quote from: Positive3 on September 03, 2016, 18:07:55
the thing is that's what makes sometimes my experience amazing i mean living life and enjoying or playing these tricky games there is some kind of beauty same goes when u are in game and u like to act like a good citizen or a honorable warrior what ever doesn't same goes to life, i beleive we are here to experience
Right that is how I see it. It's a game. Nothing wrong with playing games or roles here on earth as long as you know at the end of the day it's just a game and a role that your fitting into. And many including myself would say as long as your acting out of love in this game at the end of the day.
Quote from: Positive3 on September 03, 2016, 18:07:55
How you know that we are here to experience love?
First I want to say for English not being your native language you are doing really well and I admire you for that.
As to your question I honestly do not know that we are here to experience just love. I do feel our time here is all about experience but if love is the only thing we strive for then how are we ever to understand those who don't have it. I think it's much bigger than all that.
We need to know not only love but fear, anguish, self-loathing, hatred, sadness - all of that. There is a time or likely will be a time when understanding any of the emotions might become a vital tool for any of us if it hasn't already.
Sorry not only to experience also to learn how to love i will correct it
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 03, 2016, 17:02:49
There is a reason that men are suppose to act like men and women are suppose to act like women.
Actually, there is no reason for the subjective beliefs that men should act one way, and women should act another. None at all.
Society told you what to believe and see what you're doing? You're sitting here attempting to reinforce that belief.
Quote from: Xanth on September 03, 2016, 21:33:11
Actually, there is no reason for the subjective beliefs that men should act one way, and women should act another. None at all.
Society told you what to believe and see what you're doing? You're sitting here attempting to reinforce that belief.
Evolutionary psychology will explain a lot of why I think genes play a big role in the way we act. To totally ignore influence of genes, brain structure and formation is way to extreme, while totally ignoring genes and going just off of belief alone is also extreme. I take the middle ground on this, and say that both nature and nurture play a big role in how we behave.
Quote from: Xanth on September 03, 2016, 21:33:11
Actually, there is no reason for the subjective beliefs that men should act one way, and women should act another. None at all.
Society told you what to believe and see what you're doing? You're sitting here attempting to reinforce that belief.
So wait a minute your like one of those modern feminists that say that were all gender neutral? Hahaha Dude you crack me up. Your the extreme one here. Saying that gender is all a cultural construct.
Do you really think that it's just coincidence that in world there is so much poverty, fear, war going on in this world? We are still a part of the great ape family and we are still evolving out of our primitive ways of thinking and behaving, both on a cultural and genetic level. All it takes is human's 2.0 5.0 and higher to come along and we will see how genes effect psychology. There will come a day when we will be able to modify genes and create humans 2.0 3.0 and beyond. These beings will have different temperaments, and psychological traits, higher intelligence, more meaningful experiences than us humans could ever dream of.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 03, 2016, 22:31:39
So wait a minute your like one of those modern feminists that say that were all gender neutral? Hahaha Dude you crack me up. Your the extreme one here. Saying that gender is all a cultural construct.
I just want to chime in here and let you know, Plasma, that you are not alone. The plain and simple facts of reality mean nothing to these loons. Testosterone and estrogen are just the beginning of the objective evidence for how WRONG they are.
When a human is born with male genitalia he is male.
When a human is born with female genitalia she is female.
[queue the almost totally irrelevant nitpik about hermaphrodites that occur in infinitesimally small numbers]
When they get older and get confused about what they really are it is called "Gender Identity Disorder".
Deep Denial among the "Drone Class" is basically a lifestyle for a large percentage of modern society. How long this can continue is the question of the day.
EDIT: Please keep the left/right political garbage talk off these forums. There's no place for it here. Thanks. ~Xanth
Quote from: RobertForsythe on September 03, 2016, 22:55:16
I just want to chime in here and let you know, Plasma, that you are not alone. The silent majority knows that men and women are fundamentally different on many levels but the arrogant snobs of the Regressive Left will use any power they have to tyrannically control how people think. The plain and simple facts of reality mean nothing to these loons. Testosterone and estrogen are just the beginning of the objective evidence for how WRONG they are.
When a human is born with male genitalia he is male.
When a human is born with female genitalia she is female.
[queue the almost totally irrelevant nitpik about hermaphrodites that occur in infinitesimally small numbers]
When they get older and get confused about what they really are it is called "Gender Identity Disorder".
Deep Denial among the "Drone Class" is basically a lifestyle for a large percentage of modern society. How long this can continue is the question of the day.
Oh so I'm not the only one here that knows about the regressive left. I learned about the regressive left from Dave Rubin, Maajid Nawaz, and Milo. I use to be Democrat but because of the social justice warriors and the regressive left I no longer identify as Democrat. Basically anyone other than Democrat or Republican sounds good to me. So green party and libertarian party looks good to me. But because technological unemployment is coming I am green party leaning. And this 2016 election has brought to the forefront how messed up our two party system is. Anyway back to topic.
Quote from: Xanth on September 03, 2016, 21:33:11
Actually, there is no reason for the subjective beliefs that men should act one way, and women should act another. None at all.
Let me put it to you like this. If there is a good reason to believe that genes play a big role in the way apes act in mating behavior, and the way amphibians behave during mating season and the way birds act during mating season, then there is also good reason to believe that the way humans act for mating and relationships is also influenced by genes. You can't have one without the other.
I am taking Biology 226 Human Structure and Function in college right now. And one of the things I just learned is that function always reflects structure. This is based on the Complementarity Principle. The same is true for the brain, and it's thoughts. Structure (genes) always reflects function (psychology). I think I am making a good case here.
I'm referring to the type of crap like boys wear blue and girls wear pink.
When in actuality, not 100 years ago, it was the opposite... because "they" (aka: society) said so.
Quote from: Xanth on September 03, 2016, 23:36:47
I'm referring to the type of crap like boys wear blue and girls wear pink.
When in actuality, not 100 years ago, it was the opposite... because "they" (aka: society) said so.
Yeah I admit that there are exceptions to the rule, but by and large were not born gender neutral.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 03, 2016, 23:43:51
Yeah I admit that there are exceptions to the rule, but by and large were not born gender neutral.
Biology and Procreation aside... the things I'm referring to, as I pointed out above, are entirely constructs of society.
I'm a "male" and everything I've learned about BEING a "male" are things which society has taught me... and they're all completely meaningless.
Males have short hair... males don't wear pink... males are protectors... males don't cry.
Get what I'm saying now? I'm talking BEYOND the biology.
This goes entirely into the subject of "masculine energy". Such a thing simply doesn't exist. Energy is as neutral as it comes.
It requires a consciousness (us) to define it, to label it... but it's still an entirely subjective label.
Quote from: Xanth on September 03, 2016, 23:51:39
This goes entirely into the subject of "masculine energy". Such a thing simply doesn't exist. Energy is as neutral as it comes.
It requires a consciousness (us) to define it, to label it... but it's still an entirely subjective label.
This claim is almost entirely false.
There definitely is a thing called masculine energy.
Energy manifests as positive and negative all over the place.
It might require consciousness to arbitrarily apply plus and minus labels to naturally occurring polarity but there is NOTHING SUBJECTIVE about what will happen to someone who sticks a metal poker into a hot electrical socket.
Masculine Energy? do you mean Energy? Is there something more than just energy? If so I have never felt any different energy than what I feel now. How would you be able to tell that there are separate energy in male and female if we haven't experienced it yet. We are driven by free unlimited will that has no bounds it functions no differently in male or female.
To be honest I don't even know what other people label energy as because I don't have there experience. If there is something different from male and female besides biological factors I am at a loss.
QuoteWhen a human is born with male genitalia he is male.
When a human is born with female genitalia she is female.
[queue the almost totally irrelevant nitpik about hermaphrodites that occur in infinitesimally small numbers]
When they get older and get confused about what they really are it is called "Gender Identity Disorder".
We have to make a bit of distinction here.
The medical definitions of "sex" and gender" are different and distinct.
Sex refers to physiology. Male and female physiologies are unquestionably different. They are physically and chemically different.
Gender refers specifically to social roles that are associated with each biological sex.
Sex is biology, and gender is psychology/ sociology.
Sex is an unchangeable reality. Gender is a combination of evolutionary psychology, and arbitrary social rules which are unique to the society the individual finds them self in, such as roles relating to childrearing, or social interactions. I think there is value in questioning the norms related to gender, insofar as they are not common across different societies, which is proof they are partially arbitrary.
Quote from: Stillwater on September 04, 2016, 02:01:23
We have to make a bit of distinction here.
The medical definitions of "sex" and gender" are different and distinct.
Sex refers to physiology. Male and female physiologies are unquestionably different. They are physically and chemically different.
Gender refers specifically to social roles that are associated with each biological sex.
Sex is biology, and gender is psychology/ sociology.
Sex is an unchangeable reality. Gender is a combination of evolutionary psychology, and arbitrary social rules which are unique to the society the individual finds them self in, such as roles relating to childrearing, or social interactions. I think there is value in questioning the norms related to gender, insofar as they are not common across different societies, which is proof they are partially arbitrary.
Gosh Stillwater, I am going to try to reply to your politically leaning comments as best I can without sounding political....
The topic is "masculine energy"
In the metaphysical sense ( is it okay to talk about the metaphysical sense?) we recognize the existence of polarity in this physical universe. We have up and down, hot and cold, in and out,
left and right (ooops! scratch that last example)
In my experience there is a realm of universal undifferentiated energy that exists as potential with respect to this universe of duality where positive energy exists in relation to its opposite, negative energy. In Hindu terms we are talking about Shiva, Vishnu and Brahm.
Within the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, Brahma is the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. The destructive element is generally identified with the Left.
(Ya gotta pick one...)
Right?
That much is fundamental. Otherwise we don't even have a physical universe to operate in.
The rest proceeds logically from there.
Energy can be turned into any form, shape, emotion,experience, etc according to the creator's desires, beliefs, intentions. All of us are creators and if you desire to enhance your masculinity (spiritually, physically, etc), then nothing is stopping you. You can turn energy into anything you focus on. After all, besides being connected to the pure source as a point of consciousness in the highest realm, we do experience various characters in various realities. When we are oriented to a certain character we assume the roles that are established in that reality. Nothing wrong with that. The purpose is experience and learning.
QuoteGosh Stillwater, I am going to try to reply to your politically leaning comments as best I can without sounding political....
Not sure I follow. I agree there is a lot of discussion of gender in a political context lately, and it is very overdone.
But I don't see what agenda there is in discussing the accepted definitions of words. It helps to define terms when two parties are using the terms differently, and that difference can cause difficulty in understanding one another properly.
QuoteIn my experience there is a realm of universal undifferentiated energy that exists as potential with respect to this universe of duality where positive energy exists in relation to its opposite, negative energy. In Hindu terms we are talking about Shiva, Vishnu and Brahm.
Within the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, Brahma is the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. The destructive element is generally identified with the Left.
(Ya gotta pick one...)
Right?
That much is fundamental. Otherwise we don't even have a physical universe to operate in.
This world we live in definitely contains polarities. Obvious ones are the charge of "particles", and spin of particles. But when we are talking about things like male or female "energy", I guess it matters if we are talking about loose figurative terms, or literal fundamental ones. In a figurative sense, sure there are the ideas of creation and destruction, assertion and passivity, and it makes sense to associate them with the different sexes. But are we talking about fundamental structure of the universe at that point? Clearly calling creativity "feminine" is not as fundamental as calling a particle's charge negative?
I think this may be what is tripping people up here. It may not be clear whether we are talking about a figurative myth, or a base fundamental.
Quote from: LightBeam on September 04, 2016, 03:01:54
Energy can be turned into any form, shape, emotion,experience, etc according to the creator's desires, beliefs, intentions. All of us are creators and if you desire to enhance your masculinity (spiritually, physically, etc), then nothing is stopping you. You can turn energy into anything you focus on. After all, besides being connected to the pure source as a point of consciousness in the highest realm, we do experience various characters in various realities. When we are oriented to a certain character we assume the roles that are established in that reality. Nothing wrong with that. The purpose is experience and learning.
Right answer^
Quote from: Stillwater on September 04, 2016, 03:33:00
But I don't see what agenda there is in discussing the accepted definitions of words. It helps to define terms when two parties are using the terms differently, and that difference can cause difficulty in understanding one another properly.
This world we live in definitely contains polarities. Obvious ones are the charge of "particles", and spin of particles. But when we are talking about things like male or female "energy", I guess it matters if we are talking about loose figurative terms, or literal fundamental ones. In a figurative sense, sure there are the ideas of creation and destruction, assertion and passivity, and it makes sense to associate them with the different sexes. But are we talking about fundamental structure of the universe at that point? Clearly calling creativity "feminine" is not as fundamental as calling a particle's charge negative?
I think this may be what is tripping people up here. It may not be clear whether we are talking about a figurative myth, or a base fundamental.
Not only does the universe "definitely contain polarities" but it absolutely depends on it. There would be no physical universe without it. Also calling creativity "feminine" is, imho, more fundamental than calling a particle's charge negative (which truly is completely arbitrary). Electrons and protons carry opposite charge but which one we choose to call positive (and the other negative) is strictly convention.
On the other hand male and female anatomical and physiological differences do manifest as real differences in general proclivities and abilities.
But keeping on track with the OP, the suggestion to develop and manifest more "masculine energy" is not just an arbitrary label. The male human machine and the female human machine do burn fuel differently. A stove burns one type of fuel and a car another type and a jet another type... they may just be different forms of hydrocarbon but they are very different in significant ways.
At a certain starting point the fundamental Energy that animates the Universe may be undifferentiated but the moment it enters the mental realm, the emotional realm or the physical realm it must first split and become polarized in order to operate any of the machinery. So when a suggestion is made to channel more masculine or feminine energy it is not just an arbitrary or meaningless label but it can very well be good, practical advice for those who may be out of balance and are burning too much of the wrong kind of fuel.
QuoteNot only does the universe "definitely contain polarities" but it absolutely depends on it. There would be no physical universe without it. Also calling creativity "feminine" is, imho, more fundamental than calling a particle's charge negative (which truly is completely arbitrary). Electrons and protons carry opposite charge but which one we choose to call positive (and the other negative) is strictly convention.
We need to make the distinction between the name and the essence here though. Sure, the positive/ negative names are convention. They could be easily reversed. But that is not what I am talking about. There is a fundamental bi-polarity in these particles which is one of the most basic of all things in our universe. What you call each one doesn't change that. A very small number of things are this fundamental here... biological sex is several orders of magnitude less fundamental. It is tied to our reproductive approach, which while common, is not the only means. Many forms of life are not broken down into sexes, and reproduce by either sharing genetic material in an equal way (called conjugation in bacteria), reproducing a clone of the self, or re-arranging one's own genetic material. I think if we encountered alien species, we would see something similar. Some of them would be divided into sexes, and others of them would have singles sexes, and some of them might have 3 or more sexes with different roles (such as one to provide eggs and gestate, one to fertilize, one to care for new children, etc).
I think there is a degree of anthropomorphization going on here... we are applying the human experience to life and the universe as a whole. I think we would find some parts of it would resemble us, and other parts would bear no similarity. We are one form of many.
Quote from: RobertForsythe on September 04, 2016, 00:37:09
This claim is almost entirely false.
There definitely is a thing called masculine energy.
Energy manifests as positive and negative all over the place.
It might require consciousness to arbitrarily apply plus and minus labels to naturally occurring polarity but there is NOTHING SUBJECTIVE about what will happen to someone who sticks a metal poker into a hot electrical socket.
Energy is energy. It manifests as only what it can be.
I see where your misunderstanding is. You're 100% correct, there is very little which is subjective about what happens when you stick a metal poke into a hot electrical socket.
I don't expect you to understand this yet, but your analogy above isn't comparing what you think it's comparing and really has no bearing on this discussion either.
When you figure out WHY that is, then you'll figure out why "masculine energy" doesn't exist. It's all connected.
I'll start you off with a hint, "energy isn't physical". I'm almost certain you will misunderstand that statement as well though. You'll really need to open your mind beyond that which you think you already know... the answer doesn't lie in what you already understand.
Enjoy. :)
Talk about synchronicity... a great quote I just stumbled upon:
"You do not need to always conceptualize, interpret or label everything that comes into your awareness." - Eckhart Tolle
Seems to fit the bill here nicely.
BTW this guy Leo is big on meditation and self actualization.
How To Be A Man - The Deep Core Of Being Masculine
https://youtu.be/X6YM_WUP5ik
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 05, 2016, 11:54:55
BTW this guy Leo is big on meditation and self actualization.
How To Be A Man - The Deep Core Of Being Masculine
https://youtu.be/X6YM_WUP5ik
*sigh*
Quote from: Xanth on September 05, 2016, 13:33:03
*sigh*
If it makes you feel any better Leo recently did another video about being masculine and it's probably more in line with what your saying here. But I disagree with what he says in his second video which was to cry in front of women if you want, and wear your emotions on your sleeve, and act a little more like a women in a confident way though. Even still do you see how this sounds? Do you see the problems a man faces when he let's himself cry in front of his women, acts girly, gets so emotional like a women, let's others guide them. Do you see the problems that arise when men act like women? Women just aren't attracted to girly feminine men for the most part.
And yes it helps to label these things because if you don't you'll be a virgin the rest of your life, or worse off you'll get divorced with kids and no father. This is why I label things. Can you imagine if psychologists, and scientists never labeled anything. They would just claim that some spiritual master told them to not label things. LOL We would never progress out of the dark ages. It's only by analyzing and labeling problems with solutions that we can fix things in this physical dimension. Obviously things are different in the astral but there there is another set of rules for making progress there.
So do you see the problem when men act like women? And the problems with not labeling things Xanth?
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 05, 2016, 14:07:32
If it makes you feel any better Leo recently did another video about being masculine and it's probably more in line with what your saying here. But I disagree with what he says in his second video which was to cry in front of women if you want, and wear your emotions on your sleeve, and act a little more like a women in a confident way though. Even still do you see how this sounds? Do you see the problems a man faces when he let's himself cry in front of his women, acts girly, gets so emotional like a women, let's others guide them. Do you see the problems that arise when men act like women? Women just aren't attracted to girly feminine men for the most part.
And yes it helps to label these things because if you don't you'll be a virgin the rest of your life, or worse off you'll get divorced with kids and no father. This is why I label things. Can you imagine if psychologists, and scientists never labeled anything. They would just claim that some spiritual master told them to not label things. LOL We would never progress out of the dark ages. It's only by analyzing and labeling problems with solutions that we can fix things in this physical dimension. Obviously things are different in the astral but there there is another set of rules for making progress there.
So do you see the problem when men act like women? And the problems with not labeling things Xanth?
Holy crap dude, you're absolutely flooring me. You're
incredibly sexist and you think it's perfectly fine. That's extremely scary.
The first thing boys need to learn today is that it's okay to cry. Start there.
It's perspectives like what you're sharing above which have been the driving force behind most of our problems today. I hope one day you realize it.
Plasma, I find it very attractive and comforting when men cry when there is a reason. That shows me that they care and have empathy. Women are not attracted to cold, heartless men that act all macho. At least not for a long term relationship. Men are no longer required to hunt for food or build houses with their bare hands, therefore they need to share some responsibilities like housekeeping, cooking child care, etc. That's what women are attracted to when they choose their life partners. They like communication and emotional connection. I like to see moisture in a man's eyes when he tells me he loves me.
Quote from: Xanth on September 05, 2016, 15:48:09
Holy crap dude, you're absolutely flooring me. You're incredibly sexist and you think it's perfectly fine. That's extremely scary.
The first thing boys need to learn today is that it's okay to cry. Start there.
It's perspectives like what you're sharing above which have been the driving force behind most of our problems today. I hope one day you realize it.
Let me clarify exactly what I mean here. Nothing wrong with men crying, just not in front of mates and potential mates. And not for a while into a relationship. But yeah I agree that crying is a normal healthy thing to do if a man so desires to do so. But in this day and age doing it to early on in a relationship can spell disaster for the guy. Sorry Xanth that is just the way women are programmed, of course I am sure you can find an exception to the rule but by and large women will not invest in a man that isn't emotionally grounded. For the most part nothing is going to change that until we upgrade our DNA and women have the sympathy to invest into men that are emotionally draining.
"Men would rather hurt feelings to uphold logic, whereas women would rather break logic to save feelings."
As far as calling me sexist. LOL what's ever happened to Mr "no labeling." :roll: Instead let's stick to the substance of the debate here.
Quote from: LightBeam on September 05, 2016, 16:13:44
Plasma, I find it very attractive and comforting when men cry when there is a reason. That shows me that they care and have empathy. Women are not attracted to cold, heartless men that act all macho. At least not for a long term relationship. Men are no longer required to hunt for food or build houses with their bare hands, therefore they need to share some responsibilities like housekeeping, cooking child care, etc. That's what women are attracted to when they choose their life partners. They like communication and emotional connection. I like to see moisture in a man's eyes when he tells me he loves me.
I agree that men need to have some feminine qualities in them to attract women, so there does need to be a balance, but that doesn't mean that were gender neutral.
There is a quote that I can't find right now that goes something like this. Man minus women is a macho meathead and women without man is neurotic. So there does need to be a balance. All I am saying is that there is a fundamental difference between men and women at a psychological level. Can we agree on that?
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but that doesn't mean that were gender neutral.
No one said that, Plasma. Of course there are differences and I would not like to see my man with make up lol, but you were saying that men should not cry in front of women. What I was telling you was that women are attracted to men that show emotions, because that shows women that their partners care, they can feel other's pain and if any situation arises they will help because they care. That's all I'm saying. Now, I wont like men who cry for no resin, for example because their boss is being mean to them. Not like that. But my heart will melt if on a first date my guy drops a few tears during a sad movie.
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No one said that, Plasma. Of course there are differences and I would not like to see my man with make up lol, but you were saying that men should not cry in front of women. What I was telling you was that women are attracted to men that show emotions, because that shows women that their partners care, they can feel other's pain and if any situation arises they will help because they care. That's all I'm saying. Now, I wont like men who cry for no resin, for example because their boss is being mean to them. Not like that. But my heart will melt if on a first date my guy drops a few tears during a sad movie.
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You my darling are a real gem then. But most women won't do that. Look at the end of the day what I think I am really trying to say is that men should keep their bravado or mask on a bit longer and more often than women generally speaking. Because that is what most women are attracted to at least at the beginning stages of a relationship.
This whole thing comes down to the brain washing by modern feminists. OK so let's be clear first wave feminism was good. They got women the right to vote. Then second wave feminism got women equal pay. That was good. But third wave feminism is based off of junk science and the demonization of men. This is something you are going to have to research yourself to find out about. I have seen big companies and even politicians use junk science that feminists use to promote bogus government legislation.
This goes beyond the amount of time I have to type out here. So if you want the truth just research "The Factual Feminist." And she will clear up a lot of bogus things that modern feminists are saying to push their agenda onto the population.
This is the last I'll say here: http://www.heforshe.org
Plasma, your perspective, while was seemingly valid over the last several hundred years... isn't anymore.
Not only that, but this is also part and parcel of becoming a spiritual being. Love and Acceptance.
What you preach isn't that. Your homework is to figure out why.
Quote from: Xanth on September 05, 2016, 19:58:49
This is the last I'll say here: http://www.heforshe.org
Plasma, your perspective, while was seemingly valid over the last several hundred years... isn't anymore.
Not only that, but this is also part and parcel of becoming a spiritual being. Love and Acceptance.
What you preach isn't that. Your homework is to figure out why.
You act as if I don't believe in equality between the men and women by sending me that link. You obviously don't know what I really believe. I have nothing against women having equal pay, equal rights. But women don't go for guys that act like women. In order to really get down to the bottom of this we need to dissect exactly what we are debating here. But you don't want to do that so.
As far as me not preaching love and acceptance. LOL Well if it was all up to you we would be living in the stone age with scientists not being able to label anything. There can be love in debate, and in labeling because these things help us know our selves and the world around us to a high level. Just reading about something doesn't give you the same level and depth as debating it.
I could call you a coward for not finishing this debate and getting down to it. But I won't, since I realize that this is all out of love. Just because I have a fiery sense of logic and I like to debate doesn't mean I don't love and have acceptance. It's almost condescending for you to say that I don't preach love and acceptance. What makes you think that just because I am debating this that I don't have love? Your the one making this very personal. Before it was just about who had the best points about masculinity and your turning this into an even more toxic subject than political rants by saying that I don't preach love and acceptance. *sigh* How do you know me enough to even say that about me? I am not who you think I am, whatever stereotype you got in your head get it out. That's your homework. And even you have talked about everyone own truths and beliefs. Well one of my strong beliefs is that I can debate and still hold respect for people I debate with afterward. And even gain more respect for them if they can debate me well. Perhaps debating just isn't your thing Xanth.
This kind of reminds me how older people think that cursing is always bad because they view it as being demeaning all the time. But how the newer generation sees it in moderation to be very good at expressing a very valid truth for them. It expresses it in a way that nothing else will. It gives just enough spice to a conversation in moderation that it makes the conversation much more tastier. But if used around older conservative type or Christians it tastes or sounds nasty to them. So it's all about your own truth and perspective. Debating is fun for me and I don't do it out of hate or indifference. If I mischaracterized anything you have said please tell me.
Those are my thoughts.
One last point if this is my last post. A lot of what I have learned and believe about men and women has actually come from a women named Kezia Noble. She is the world's leading dating coach for men.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 05, 2016, 21:36:18
Perhaps debating just isn't your thing Xanth.
I don't "debate" with people who aren't willing to listen.
It's a waste of my time... ultimately the other persons' as well.
Have a good one bud. :)
Quote from: Xanth on September 06, 2016, 00:19:21
I don't "debate" with people who aren't willing to listen.
It's a waste of my time... ultimately the other persons' as well.
Have a good one bud. :)
I have changed my mind more in the last 5 years than most people would ever change in their whole lives. From political views, to spiritual views, to just life in general. I have changed and adopted to something I think is in line with reality the most. I have ran across people are stuck in their ways, and I am not like them. Maybe we can finish this topic another time. Take it easy and enjoy the rest of your Monday.
QuoteThis whole thing comes down to the brain washing by modern feminists. OK so let's be clear first wave feminism was good. They got women the right to vote. Then second wave feminism got women equal pay. That was good. But third wave feminism is based off of junk science and the demonization of men. This is something you are going to have to research yourself to find out about. I have seen big companies and even politicians use junk science that feminists use to promote bogus government legislation.
Now I'm not much aware of political propaganda regarding genres and such, but you don't need two fingers of forehead to know that the majority of Television, music videos, fresh artists, as well as rainbow social movements are very much insisting in subversing their views into any one who watches the media. Just like they have always done but now with a more laser focused topic in mind. I was not aware about this until a group of people in my life, a pair of them I knew since childhood started a streak of violent gender suggestions which clearly was a situation that just popped out of nowhere as I had been drinking with them just like you do in college with many different people. Things like 'that women will only end up hurting your feelings' coming from a man, and 'that man will only end up breaking your heart' coming from a woman, are the kind of psychological bullcrap that people who want to modify your behavior would tell you, In my humble opinion.
What I believe Xanth was trying to say, is that in this current epoch of society with all the wars around the world, there is clearly a masculine force behind them all, man's who's violence rises too high due to a lack of certain felinity/sensibility. These are the men that shape the intellectual, political, economical, social rules of the world.
In the same way you have women who lack even a bit of hard logic, and are way to feminine and their intelligence ends up being as proportional as their beauty which is in everything they focus on. These are the women that shape the creative, intuitive, subconscious part of the world with magazines, TV, showbussines. They tell both woman and man how to look and what to buy and even what should you spend your time in.
So what I believe is implied is that is balance existed in the heads of the directors of both this sides of the world, you could imagine what a difference of a world we would have for ourselves. That is a healthy solution in my opinion, the aggressive approach that is taking place towards that is not a bit healthy in my opinion, just a means for more chaos.
I'm with you Plasma in that a man should be assertive, logic and definite about his actions, when the woman is indecisive and emotional taking decisions. That's what average women like, a man who leads.
My small collaboration to this thread is, both women and man could play more that the basic roles I described above, without necessarily turn to the other side or even, be completely gender neutral, what I theorize and have noticed in my relatively ample field of observation for how man start to like man and women start to like women is the next.
I'll try to put my idea, because it is only just that, very simply here:
A man is active, assertive, logical, intellectual, hard worker, protector, hunter, as well as any other quality that you can think of from the general view of it. We will call this man
Agent +1.
A woman is passive, indecisive if emotions play part, intuitive, creative, hard worker-smart worker, nurturer, carer, as well as any other quality that you can think of from the general view of it. We will call this woman
Agent -0.
A man who is active, assertive, logical, as well as creative, intuitive and you add what you can think of would be
Agent +1-. They posses masculine qualities without the volatility of a macho macho meathead because you could call them a bit sensitive.
A woman who is active, indecisive, intuitive, a huntress and you add what you can think would fit would be
Agent -0+ They possess the feminine qualities without the volatility of the emotional turmoil product of too much estrogen because is balanced by some male hints of personality.
This is the GENERAL approach for both of the sexes, based on their cerebral activity these are the general qualities I see both of the sexes display more prominently than the other.
In normal/general conditions
Agent +1 and
Agent-0 are the perfect match.
In normal/general conditions
Agent +1- and
Agent -0+ are the perfect match
What happens when
Agent 1 meets a girl
Agent -0+.
There is clearly and unbalance in the relationship because the complex roles they each play are not balanced due to one of them presenting a set of qualities that allows it to develop better, and so differences destined to show up end are more likely to end the relationship.
What happens when
Agent-0 meets a girl
Agent +1-.
There is clearly and unbalance in the relationship because the complex roles they each play are not balanced due to one of them presenting a set of qualities that allows it to develop better, and so differences destined to show up end are more likely to end the relationship.
If either
Agent +1 or
Agent-0 end up parting from the relationship due to the whatever motives the other partner displayed. I believe anyone in this world can agree with me that both
Agent +1 and
Agent-0 would not even know why what happened happened, both leaving them confused due to a heart broken.
Predators:
Agent +1+ and
Agent-0- would then come here during chaos and prey on
Agent +1 and
Agent-0 with lame phrases like 'that women will only end up hurting your feelings' coming from a man to a man, and 'that man will only end up breaking your heart' from a woman to a woman. With the intention of turning
Agent +1 into
Agent +1+ and
Agent-0 into
Agent-0-. By taking advantage of temporal states of feelings and introducing mental confusion to the preyed upon.
Aaaaaaaaaand, add to that all the propaganda and you get whatever it is you can think of.
So in conclusion you have:
Agent +1 and
Agent-0 Man and Woman
Agent +1- and
Agent -0+ Man with a bit of woman sensivity and Woman with a bit of man lustfulness (both qualities just serve as an example)
Agent +1+ and
Agent-0-.Man who prefers man, Woman who prefers woman.
From these 3 pairs, you get all the permutations that you can, which in my humble opinion bring only disharmony because end up confusing a certain individual if he or she is not clear and what he or she wants.
With that said, I would support a major change towards pair number 2
Agent +1- and
Agent -0+ for they both complement each other, and when independent they show more a more skillfull/balanced take on decitions which would otherwise be not as good and when looked upon using both perspectives masculine and feminine. And so the cherished duality of negative and positive and procreation would not be broken.
I was going to talk about the methaphysical side, but, maybe not today.
Hope I didn't get too extended here. Just trying to be clear with no space for doubts. :-)
Quote from: Rakkso on September 06, 2016, 18:41:53What I believe Xanth was trying to say, is that in this current epoch of society with all the wars around the world, there is clearly a masculine force behind them all, man's who's violence rises too high due to a lack of certain felinity/sensibility. These are the men that shape the intellectual, political, economical, social rules of the world.
In the same way you have women who lack even a bit of hard logic, and are way to feminine and their intelligence ends up being as proportional as their beauty which is in everything they focus on. These are the women that shape the creative, intuitive, subconscious part of the world with magazines, TV, showbussines. They tell both woman and man how to look and what to buy and even what should you spend your time in.
I think I agree for the most part if I followed you correctly. Except the part above I don't think I agree with. At least right now the modern feminists are controlling and framing the debate in feminism. They are your typical fat, ugly, lesbians that are getting revenge against men. Hahaha OK that was totally a stereotype I think but there is some truth in it. There is no doubt about it that modern feminist theory as taught in College gender studies is about man hating. They come up with any and every reason to hate on men. They bash men for spreading their legs when they sit down, they bash men for gazing at women, they bash men for going for the kiss at a wrong time, and all the wars the list go on and on and on. And that was a moderate view of modern feminism. Now when I say feminist here i am not talking about average feminist for the most part. I am mostly talking about the core of the modern feminist movement which has demonized men, and used junk science to promote their garbage. And the public is so dumb that are falling head over heels to try to appease these feminists because of the junk science they are using.
Also I don't think that our wars are directly a result of male masculinity, but rather something more fundamental than masculinity. There is no doubt about it homo-sapiens are territorial and this causes wars. It's also why we are the only animal to have overcome and risen above other animals. It's like a double edged sword. And interestingly not all animals are territorial. Bonobo monkeys aren't like that, and they have sex all the time. IMO our genetics are to blame for the wars. And as we can see in modern feminism if you let women take control, they are very territorial too in their own way with the brain washing of western society.
And I didn't even get into how feminists have dominated in the courts to get women the best of both worlds in divorces, along with everything else. The pendulum has already swung too far to the other side in western society, it's time to wake up.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 07, 2016, 00:38:28
... And as we can see in modern feminism if you let women take control, they are very territorial too in their own way with the brain washing of western society.
And I didn't even get into how feminists have dominated in the courts to get women the best of both worlds in divorces, along with everything else. The pendulum has already swung too far to the other side in western society, it's time to wake up.
Even back around 1985 we were being brainwashed with this idea of men causing war, etc.
I mentioned to one female friend how if God snapped his fingers and made all men in the world disappear we would theoretically be in a world of peace, love and harmony.
She replied with a chuckle... "within 6 months half the women of the world would be dead and half the survivors would be wandering around blind after their eyes had been scratched out...."
Quote from: RobertForsythe on September 07, 2016, 01:11:59
Even back around 1985 we were being brainwashed with this idea of men causing war, etc.
I mentioned to one female friend how if God snapped his fingers and made all men in the world disappear we would theoretically be in a world of peace, love and harmony.
She replied with a chuckle... "within 6 months half the women of the world would be dead and half the survivors would be wandering around blind after their eyes had been scratched out...."
Yeah see she knows. I've seen how women can be just as if not more territorial than men in their own way. Women have been just suppressed from expressing it by men that wanted femininity rather than their base instincts from their women. Men know how to deal with the stress of war more than women. That is why the military is dominated by men. And no it's not cultural because before there was a US military there was tribes where it was the men that had to fight. So yes men ground women from their emotions and help them to think more logically. And so if no men where here then I could see chaos coming soon afterward. To give credit to women they teach us how to become like kids again and be more free and open minded. At least that is the way it should be.
If it's possible to have a perfect society with masculine males and feminine females living in harmony then masculinity isn't our problem. The problem is likely genetic. Masculinity is the scapegoat here because it's an easier thing point the finger to than a genetic problem, so blaming males and masculinity won't fix the problem. This is a homo-sapiens problem not a masculine/male problem.
This has become, quite possibly, the most sexist thread in the history of this forum.
I think it's about done now.