If you think Astral Projection is great I suggest you check this out. As it could be infinitely more important in helping you understand yourself in this world. Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes. Also note that Leo has been doing tons of meditation, self inquiry, consciousness work for a good long while now. And he said something like all that other stuff he was doing was nothing compared to the insights he gained from this new experience on his journey to self exploration.
What Is God? - Leo Becomes Absolute Infinity (Aka God) - All Of Reality Explained
https://youtu.be/4VNoe5tn3tg
In his next video he tells you how to do it.
I tried Plasma but 12 minutes in and that was enough of that.
Quote from: Nameless on September 26, 2016, 19:40:25
I tried Plasma but 12 minutes in and that was enough of that.
LOL well human words and thoughts can't even begin to describe this state so it's understandable why he would react that way. But if you can see through his reenactment then I am sure you will learn something much deeper than what words could ever convey.
This is the meat of reality and truth and not the milk.
I know this guy, he is speaking hours about everything. One year earlier, after some of his vids I got brain shrinking lol. But he is inspiring, I admit it.
There is the saying: who knows does it, who don't teaches it. If you want to buy into his philosophies, that is your choice.
These people selling themselves for buy their book. Doesn't it strange?
Everybody is a "god" deep inside the inner dimensions. Why can't people accept that and also give their power away? This is funny and sad at the same time. Most of people didn't reach their phase in their development still to go beyond and don't want to because of fear. I don't want to bomb out a pointless religious discusson again, there is enough here already.
Quote from: Phildan1 on September 26, 2016, 21:31:06
I know this guy, he is speaking hours about everything. One year earlier, after some of his vids I got brain shrinking lol. But he is inspiring, I admit it.
There is the saying: who knows does it, who don't teaches it. If you want to buy into his philosophies, that is your choice.
These people selling themselves for buy their book. Doesn't it strange?
Everybody is a "god" deep inside the inner dimensions. Why can't people accept that and also give their power away? This is funny and sad at the same time. Most of people didn't reach their phase in their development still to go beyond and don't want to because of fear. I don't want to bomb out a pointless religious discusson again, there is enough here already.
I can assure you that currently he has nothing to sell about the thing he used to reach infinity. And he obviously doesn't care too much about sales getting into these tough topics he's been doing recently. Besides he gives a lot of his time for free videos and information on youtube. He's like the perfect balance of giving and receiving. LOL Meaning he's not greedy about it otherwise he wouldn't give out so much free informative videos. Heck he doesn't even promote what he sells in most all of his videos. Though there might be a link in the description.
Anyway the point is that he's not making any money off of the video he just posted or the thing that is used to reach infinity. Heck he even tells you exactly how to do it in the next video.
Plasma I will not fight in this, that was not my intent in my message to grab the money subject.
Everybody can be a life"coach" as he is. He is ok with his life, it is cool. Your life is yours and your viewpoints.
My apoligizes about my message. I won't continue.
Quote from: Phildan1 on September 26, 2016, 21:50:46
My apoligizes about my message. I won't continue.
No need to be sorry dude. I wasn't angry at you or anything like that. It's common for me to just really express my opinions with not even a sliver of anger. That's just my personality. :-D Don't worry, we're cool. 8-)
I listened to his whole video and what I saw was that he reached "Point Consciousness", where there is "no body" at all. All that exists is you as a point of consciousness. At that point there is no beginning, no end, there just "is". It is mind blowing when you first achieve it.
This can be reached by anyone that learns to Astral Project. The first sign you are reaching this point is when you hit the 3D darkness void, where you just "are". There is no ego, there is just pure space, but instead of seeing it with your closed eyes, you are now totally consumed by and in it. This is a very exciting and can be also a very scary time for most people. I love just immersing myself deep inside it. It's a place where you can just "be", without all the trials and tribulations of this physical realm. It's also a great pace to rid yourself of pain or anguish! :-)
Quote from: Lumaza on September 26, 2016, 22:25:09
I listened to his whole video and what I saw was that he reached "Point Consciousness", where there is "no body" at all. All that exists is you as a point of consciousness. At that point there is no beginning, no end, there just "is". It is mind blowing when you first achieve it.
This can be reached by anyone that learns to Astral Project. The first sign you are reaching this point is when you hit the 3D darkness void, where you just "are". There is no ego, there is just pure space, but instead of seeing it with your closed eyes, you are now totally consumed by and in it. This is a very exciting and can be also a very scary time for most people. I love just immersing myself deep inside it. It's a place where you can just "be", without all the trials and tribulations of this physical realm. It's also a great pace to rid yourself of pain or anguish! :-)
First of all thanks a lot for fully watching the video. For some reason I don't think the space your talking about is the space that he Leo is talking about. Because in the space Leo is talking about you can't even fathom. There is absolutely no thought or cognition of any kind where he was at. There is also no subject and no object. Unless Leo went to the core place of what your talking about. Thoughts?
I'll probably go back and watch it through Plasma. I just need to wait till I have better service. IF he is talking about the void as Lumaza was saying then I can attest to that being the most perfect place I have ever been. I know when I am there it is a total silence. Not just silence of the mind but silence of all the senses. There is just nothing, not even yourself. Once out of it you realize where you were and try to describe it but words fail.
I did look at his website and bookmark it. :-)
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 26, 2016, 22:57:44
Because in the space Leo is talking about you can't even fathom. There is absolutely no thought or cognition of any kind where he was at. There is also no subject and no object. Unless Leo went to the core place of what your talking about. Thoughts?
That is the true definition of just "being"! :-)
That's why words alone try to describe it but fail, as Nameless has said here. Many have gotten to the doorstep/threshold. But only so many will actually "allow" themselves to be immersed in the full depth of the experience. It can be a haunting or a exhilarating experience. It all depends on what you make of it.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 26, 2016, 22:57:44
First of all thanks a lot for fully watching the video. For some reason I don't think the space your talking about is the space that he Leo is talking about. Because in the space Leo is talking about you can't even fathom. There is absolutely no thought or cognition of any kind where he was at. There is also no subject and no object. Unless Leo went to the core place of what your talking about. Thoughts?
If there is no cognition of anything as you are implying then there is no way of retelling your experience. I know this is kinda tricky - but how can you be in a place where there is no self-awareness of any kind and then tell about it. It makes no sense. But maybe this wasn't what you were implying. For me the 3d black box - the void - you are still feeling as yourself - I mean you know that you are "somewhere" only that your point of view is expanded so that in a "sense" you have no "boundaries". I do admit that I did not watch the clip. I will look at it and come back with an opinion if there is something that I need to add.
I can understand the point Theo was getting across. I do admit the feeling and experience is hard to describe. The easiest way for me to describe that feeling and experience would be that it feels like everything is between 0 and 1 which is countable infinity and yet it is also finite.
You feel everything between 0 and 1 but you can never find the end. like 0.0000000000.........001 but it never ends with 1 it just keeps going 0.0000000000000000...forever.
The feeling can definitely be more experienced in the non physical and thought itself.
A similar account that I stumbled upon a long time looking for the concepts of infinity - http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/stephen_t_nde.htm (http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Experiences/stephen_t_nde.htm)
Quote from: ingerul9 on September 27, 2016, 08:17:32
If there is no cognition of anything as you are implying then there is no way of retelling your experience. I know this is kinda tricky - but how can you be in a place where there is no self-awareness of any kind and then tell about it. It makes no sense.
It's called the unmanifest in Hinduism and Wu-chi in Taoism. It's the core of all reality. In this place there is no subject, no object, no experience. And the only way people can come back with this experience is through KNOWING.
Now that we got some decent replies here I will revel what he did to get to this state. Leo took 5-MEO-DMT. It's a naturally occurring molecule that our bodies make in small amounts. He talks about this substance in his next video. You can find it on his channel. I don't want to post it here as it might be against the rules. But yeah I'm sure you's weren't expecting that. :-D
It got quiet all of the sudden. What's wrong does taking a molecule for spiritual enlightenment not fit your world view? You's are way too politically correct. News flash the truth isn't always politically correct.
Like I said this is meat of the truth and not the milk of the truth. Once you realize the that power of heaven and enlightenment can be found in the study and use of drugs like 5-MEO-DMT we are one step closer to reaching perfection through science. Then bringing enlightenment and spirituality to the masses becomes a piece of cake.
Psychedelics are the only thing right now that could change the way we think of the spiritual. Nothing else can even come close to doing this on a massive level, on the scale needed to change peoples minds. But doing so will require a mind shift in how we perceive drugs. At the end of the day not all drugs are created equally. Hard drugs are bad and have a high chance of addiction. Classic psychedelics are fine. Dissociative psychedelics have addiction potential. Research chemicals are in a grey area which I wouldn't touch. At the end of the day though psychedelics will become mainstream with or without the spiritual community. But how long before psychedelics are accepted as a fast, radical, quick way to catalyze spiritual growth is up to you.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 28, 2016, 23:22:42
It got quiet all of the sudden. What's wrong does taking a molecule for spiritual enlightenment not fit your world view? You's are way too politically correct. News flash the truth isn't always politically correct.
Most threads die on this Forum after a few posts. You for one should know that already. It has nothing to do with your introducing the "drug content".
The video link you gave above explains that this guy experiments with different types of Psychedelics to aid in his "altered states". So your revelation that this guy was under the influence of something wasn't a shock at all.
What kind of a reaction were you looking for?
Quote from: Lumaza on September 28, 2016, 23:45:11
Most threads die on this Forum after a few posts. You for one should know that already. It has nothing to do with your introducing the "drug content".
The video link you gave above explains that this guy experiments with different types of Psychedelics to aid in his "altered states". So your revelation that this guy was under the influence of something wasn't a shock at all.
What kind of a reaction were you looking for?
Oh I just thought people would have had something to say after finding out exactly what he took to reach that state. Instead it got really quiet, and this is a fascinating topic for me so it didn't make sense. For me what is so shocking is that it seems to be a very clean psychedelic is that it only really increases consciousness and kills the ego without the side effects some of the other psychedelics have. And on top that it seems to cause permanent kundalini awakening. Then of course being able to go to the core of reality and all this with a substance that someone can take. It's really revolutionary. I am very interested in using this as a route to catalyze my spiritual growth at some point.
Plasma, there is a good reason our bodies produce very little of this chemical. Do your research on the dangers of this drug. We dont encourage the use of any substances (natural or synthetic), which safety has not been determined. I've read many account of users reporting mental and cognitive issues for months after they stopped using this drug.
Also, spiritual growth is not dependent on the ability to focus to non-physical environments.
This state is easily reached and is a part of what you come across as a natural. I wonder how many others here met with it at an early age?
With a thought you can shrink to nothing or envelop every point of the universe.
Kids stuff lol
Quote from: Szaxx on September 29, 2016, 07:06:51
This state is easily reached and is a part of what you come across as a natural. I wonder how many others here met with it at an early age?
With a thought you can shrink to nothing or envelop every point of the universe.
Kids stuff lol
Geez Szaxx your way more advanced than I originally thought. :-o :wink: And thanks for clarifying that this can be a natural state.
Quote from: LightBeam on September 29, 2016, 01:32:57
Plasma, there is a good reason our bodies produce very little of this chemical. Do your research on the dangers of this drug. We dont encourage the use of any substances (natural or synthetic), which safety has not been determined. I've read many account of users reporting mental and cognitive issues for months after they stopped using this drug.
Also, spiritual growth is not dependent on the ability to focus to non-physical environments.
I am well aware that it can be damaging at high doses if one is not use to it, just like running a marathon if one hasn't been practing. In a perfect world a doctor would gradually build up ones tolerance so that the body and mind have time to adjust. But until then it's up to psychonauts to be very careful. When a Doctor prescribes medication it's all about the pros outweighing the cons. Same with any other drug. And clearly some really benefit from psychedelics while others don't. At the end of the day it's up to every individual if they want to safely explore these substances or abuse them.
HI Plasma, can't speak for anyone else but the reason I fell silent was twofold. One 'life' happened meaning I got sidetracked in the here and now. Two, I don't care to experiment with drugs (natural or not). I've seen that look Leo has many many times, especially in the 70s when psychedelics were all the rage (again).
As bad as legitimate doctors are at prescribing medication these days I would seriously run from any of them that got into prescribing government sanctioned psychedelics. LOL.
And it's just not necessary as all these states can be reached quite naturally.
Quote from: Nameless on September 29, 2016, 18:21:10
HI Plasma, can't speak for anyone else but the reason I fell silent was twofold. One 'life' happened meaning I got sidetracked in the here and now. Two, I don't care to experiment with drugs (natural or not). I've seen that look Leo has many many times, especially in the 70s when psychedelics were all the rage (again).
As bad as legitimate doctors are at prescribing medication these days I would seriously run from any of them that got into prescribing government sanctioned psychedelics. LOL.
And it's just not necessary as all these states can be reached quite naturally.
Thanks for replying Nameless. I like to talk about this subject. OK a few things. So as far as I know Leo just started doing psychedelics. So were you saying that Leo has been taking psychedelics since the 70's? I am confused since you worded it weird.
Also I would be dead if it wasn't for medications prescribed by doctors. And when psychedelics are legalized and they will, it will be done with purity, controls, and medical personal present. I would feel totally safe in such a controlled environment knowing that if anything went wrong I would have medical professionals ready to help.
Define natural for me because we seem to have this idea that natural is somehow better. Volcano's, avalanches, tornadoes, hurricanes, cyanide, naturally genetic diseases, natural disorders. None of these things are good yet they are natural.
What I think you might be really trying to say is "being able to reach these states without help." No that doesn't make sense. OK "being able to reach these states without the help of substances like 5-MEO-DMT." OK but that doesn't make sense either since 5-MEO-DMT is probably endogenously released when we astral project, and without it we probably couldn't astral project. We already know that the body produces 5-MEO-DMT by itself. See there is no difference fundamentally speaking. If one person relies on endogenous DMT (from the body) good for them. And if someone else relies off of exogenous DMT (outside the body) good for them for finding some very good training wheels that would take the other guy a long time to figure out on his own probably.
At the end of the day saying psychedelics are "just not necessary" is like a cave man saying to the inventor of the wheel. "Why do you need a wheel when you can walk it's more natural?" Or telling a child "you don't need training wheels to help you learn to ride a bike it's more natural if you don't use training wheels." As you can see it's a personal preference. And not only that the wheel will never replace walking. And walking will never replace the wheel. Both accomplish the same thing different ways. Like the old saying goes there is more than one way to skin a cat.
Now you can see where I am coming from. Thanks for chiming in Nameless.
I agree that it is good to do things to make ap easier, like you said training wheels. If it involves using drugs it is a bad idea. It messes up your brain. I would imagine it would mess up your ap experiences as well. You can become addicted to using drugs. I am very grateful that I do not use drugs. Life is hard enough without adding another problem. There are a number of other ways to get training wheels without taking drugs.
Plasma, it sounds to me like you already made your decision. So why even ask people's opinion here? There have been other threads like this here on the Astral Pulse and they ALWAYS get the same response. You already see that we don't need "drugs" of any kind to succeed here. It takes patience, practice, perseverance and a focused will and intent to succeed.
This is one such thread:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/difference_between_drugs_and_meditating-t23004.0.html
Many others and I have attempted to help you over the years with conventional methods. But for one reason or another you always made excuses why they wouldn't work for you. If you had put half the time that you spent asking questions here at the Astral Pulse into your practice, you would be a natural by now. :wink: You have been a member here since 2010. That's a lot of practice time there.
Your still looking for that "magic pill". I will tell you one thing, succeeding in a goal in life because of all the learning and effort you put into it is way more fulfilling than a magic pill of any kind.
I have opened other people's eyes up to another possibility/the NP, using my L/S Machine in the past. But not one of them pursued this any further. They saw what they saw and just kind of thought it's not for them I guess. I was shocked. I always thought the "magic pill" would work. But now I see I was mistaken.
Lumaza said the magic words. It takes patience, practice, perseverance and a focused will and intent to succeed. Lumaza advice was excellent. He has great ideas to ap.
Quote from: Astralsuzy on September 29, 2016, 20:14:37
I agree that it is good to do things to make ap easier, like you said training wheels. If it involves using drugs it is a bad idea. It messes up your brain. I would imagine it would mess up your ap experiences as well. You can become addicted to using drugs. I am very grateful that I do not use drugs. Life is hard enough without adding another problem. There are a number of other ways to get training wheels without taking drugs.
OK you say that now then tonight when you go to bed, your body will probably release DMT and 5-MEO-DMT to help you astral project. LOL
Again this is a personal preference. What is a God sent for one person can be hell for another who abuses the same substance. It's a sharp double edged sword. Used rightfully it creates heaven on earth. Used with ignorance, and carelessness you create hell on earth.
Again, this is not a topic for babies spiritually just as a sword needs it's a mature handler.
To your credit we do need more studies with these things. So it's understandable that your skeptical of any such means of spiritual growth. But IMO it also means that you don't really understand them either. If you did then you would know that psychedelics aren't addictive except for the dissociative psychedelics. And that anything can be psychologically addictive including food and working out. Do we not eat food because they can be psychologically addictive of course not. Everything in moderation.
Thanks for chiming in Astralsuzy.
Quote from: Lumaza on September 29, 2016, 20:53:33
It sounds to me like you already made our decision. So why even ask people's opinion here?
Well I've never if ever have heard astral projectors talk about such a deep experience. Clearly what Leo experienced was a true spiritual experience. And if you think it was just a drug high I think your poorly mistaken. But yeah I thought you's would find it interesting at the very least. That is really mostly what I was hoping for.
Quote from: Lumaza on September 29, 2016, 20:53:33
There have been other threads like this here on the Astral Pulse and they ALWAYS get the same response. You already see that we don't need "drugs" of any kind to succeed here. It takes patience, practice, perseverance and a focused will and intent to succeed.
Good for you taking the soon to be old fashion, tried but true route to astral projection. Why do I call it soon to be old fashion? Well nanobots will be coming soon to give us astral projection on demand. So many will opt to go that route soon. :wink:
Quote from: Lumaza on September 29, 2016, 20:53:33
Many others and I have attempted to help you over the years with conventional methods.
Yeah and I am very grateful for that. If I wasn't I wouldn't be still hanging around here.
Quote from: Lumaza on September 29, 2016, 20:53:33
But for one reason or another you always made excuses why they wouldn't work for you. If you had put half the time that you spent asking questions here at the Astral Pulse into your practice, you would be a natural by now. :wink: You have been a member here since 2010. That's a lot of practice time there.
The most I got out of learning about astral projection wasn't the methods, but rather it really helped me loose my fear of hell, since I grew up in a fundamentalist christian home. Besides I've been juggling a health condition back then. And now I'm juggling being a College student and a job. So Excuse me if I don't have too much time for this. And I admit that I really wanted to astral project years ago. But do you know what happened? My health was so bad at the time that I became discouraged with learning to astral project. Every time I tried to astral project I would would have sleeping problems. And just a little bit of sleeping problems would worsen my health condition. Luckily I no longer have those health problems like I use to. But I am very busy. In fact I should be working on homework right now. But this is a very interesting discussion to me.
Quote from: Lumaza on September 29, 2016, 20:53:33
I have opened other people's eyes up to another possibility, the NP, using my L/S Machine in the past. But not one of them pursued this any further. They saw what they saw and just kind of thought it's not for them I guess. I was shocked. I always thought the "magic pill" would work. But now I see I was mistaken.
Once I get out of College I'll probably go back to working on astral projection methods. Today I told a guy at college that what he experienced could have been astral projection. So I am still on your side. I am the one that is telling others about astral projection too.
Lastly I see right through your post here. You used a logically fallacy called ad hominem to attack me and my character rather than the substance of this talk. So let's not make this personal. OK I am still on your side. I still love astral projection. I still dream about it. Last night I dreamt that I was flying. Let's not make this psychedelics versus astral projection. Since I really strongly believe that one day psychedelics and astral projection live in harmony within society.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on September 29, 2016, 19:35:36
Thanks for replying Nameless. I like to talk about this subject. OK a few things. So as far as I know Leo just started doing psychedelics. So were you saying that Leo has been taking psychedelics since the 70's? I am confused since you worded it weird.
No, not saying he's been doing it since the 70s. I was referring to the 'peace movements' here in the US from the mid 60s to around the mid 70s. The Stoners if you will. Psychedelics were big back then.
QuoteAlso I would be dead if it wasn't for medications prescribed by doctors. And when psychedelics are legalized and they will, it will be done with purity, controls, and medical personal present. I would feel totally safe in such a controlled environment knowing that if anything went wrong I would have medical professionals ready to help.
I can respect your thinking on that. My personal experience has led me to think the opposite. I'm just not into medications outside taking something for an illness. Drugs are partially responsible for damaging my mother's life and she was not a drug-head. All she did was follow doctors orders.
QuoteDefine natural for me because we seem to have this idea that natural is somehow better. Volcano's, avalanches, tornadoes, hurricanes, cyanide, naturally genetic diseases, natural disorders. None of these things are good yet they are natural.
Nothing that dramatic more like if I can walk I don't need a wheelchair.
QuoteAnd if someone else relies off of exogenous DMT (outside the body) good for them for finding some very good training wheels that would take the other guy a long time to figure out on his own probably.
...there is more than one way to skin a cat.
This is correct. I can say without experimentation we may as well quit. One thing, my comments are rarely ever to be taken to extremes. I usually stick only with my own thoughts and experience. I think if you want to experiment and you find something that helps you then you should go with that as should everyone. Take what you need and leave the rest. This is a good topic for discussion.
You only need to stay still when you wake in the morning. Just be aware of yourself and don't move anything. Opening your eyes kills it. Put yourself as an atom floating in the room like an air element then wait with strong intent to see a whitewashed background. Enlarge yourself so you can see the room and if successful it'll appear in 360 degrees vision. You can stay still and look around, look sideways then try toove slowly forwards. This will be interesting for you as your point of perspective was sideways you'll move in a different direction from what you perceive.
Best of luck with it.
You don't need supplements, just intent.
If a 9 year old can do it, I'm sure you can lol.
I just got a few minutes in to the video and heard psychedelics. I advise any one using any kind of drug to know what they are doing. To be fair I will watch to whole video.
P.s. I am not sure if I can watch this all the way through. The guy just looks like some one that has used too many drugs.
Quote from: desert-rat on September 30, 2016, 13:40:50
I just got a few minutes in to the video and heard psychedelics. I advise any one using any kind of drug to know what they are doing. To be fair I will watch to whole video.
P.s. I am not sure if I can watch this all the way through. The guy just looks like some one that has used too many drugs.
Leo has just started taking psychedelics. In fact in some of his recent other videos he advised against any drugs while talking about enlightenment. But he like many others have found that classical psychedelics pose no physical addictive potential. In fact psychedelics are increasingly used to treat addiction with a very high success rate.
Besides Leo has also been working on self-actualization and enlightenment work hardcore without any psychedelics for about 3 years. So if anyone is qualified enough to give an honest look at these substances well call psychedelics it's Leo. He's about as unbiased as you going to get, because he's been on both sides of the field.
EDIT: And yes it's vitally important that one fully researchers any drug/substance/molecule/psychedelic they ingest. I'm fully with you on that.
I will reply to the rest of you's later.
I will watch to whole video. I don't use drugs myself. All I was doing was advising any one else to understand the effects of any substance before using it.
You will become additive to the drug. Not because the drug itself is addictive as you say. You will become dependent on taking the drug if ap works. If ap works you will want to take the drug again and again. You have obviously made up your mind that you will take the drug and we cannot persuade you not to do it. It is your choice, your life.
Quote from: Nameless on September 30, 2016, 00:36:02
No, not saying he's been doing it since the 70s. I was referring to the 'peace movements' here in the US from the mid 60s to around the mid 70s. The Stoners if you will. Psychedelics were big back then.
I can respect your thinking on that. My personal experience has led me to think the opposite. I'm just not into medications outside taking something for an illness. Drugs are partially responsible for damaging my mother's life and she was not a drug-head. All she did was follow doctors orders.
Nothing that dramatic more like if I can walk I don't need a wheelchair.
I am sorry your mother died. But let's be clear here any drug that is prescribed is prescribed because the that medical professional has weighed that the pros outweigh the cons any given medication. So if your mom died it likely wasn't because of any drugs prescribed.
I would be dead a couples of time over if modern medicine didn't come and save me with medications and treatments, and I am only 34 years old right now. I've also just recently dealt with severe depression caused by a rare reaction from an acne antibiotic medication. And am still recovering months later from that but overall I've been saved from them more often than not. You just have to be very careful taking any sort of drug and even not taking medication once you get old.
Quote from: Nameless on September 30, 2016, 00:36:02
This is correct. I can say without experimentation we may as well quit. One thing, my comments are rarely ever to be taken to extremes. I usually stick only with my own thoughts and experience. I think if you want to experiment and you find something that helps you then you should go with that as should everyone. Take what you need and leave the rest. This is a good topic for discussion.
Finally someone gets it here. Finally someone understands that it's not necessarily about what everyone else is doing. It's not about the standard versus the fringe. It's not about that at all, it's about WHAT WORKS!!! And please correct me if I misrepresentation what you meant there. What actually works to bring us closer to our source/God/Love whatever you want to call it.
Thanks for chiming in Nameless.
Quote from: Szaxx on September 30, 2016, 05:47:16
You only need to stay still when you wake in the morning. Just be aware of yourself and don't move anything. Opening your eyes kills it. Put yourself as an atom floating in the room like an air element then wait with strong intent to see a whitewashed background. Enlarge yourself so you can see the room and if successful it'll appear in 360 degrees vision. You can stay still and look around, look sideways then try toove slowly forwards. This will be interesting for you as your point of perspective was sideways you'll move in a different direction from what you perceive.
Best of luck with it.
You don't need supplements, just intent.
If a 9 year old can do it, I'm sure you can lol.
You know Szaxx, if anyone here could convince me to try and astral project again it would be you. You have done more to help me than anyone else here. And I must say that you got me seriously thinking about it again. But I admit that I really think it would take a lot of effort and time for me to accomplish this than what you would think it would take. After all you have been astral projecting naturally since you were a kid. So be understanding for those that aren't naturals at it like myself. For you I will try some of my own techniques that I like using. And maybe I'll incorporate some of this stuff into it too. I can't guarantee that I can keep up for years without success but I will try to do it when I can. :-D And if I do succeed then I am sure it would only motivate me to go further. Perhaps micro-dosing magic mushrooms would help. :evil: :-D
Either way thanks Szaxx.
Quote from: desert-rat on September 30, 2016, 14:20:27
I will watch to whole video. I don't use drugs myself. All I was doing was advising any one else to understand the effects of any substance before using it.
OK
Quote from: Astralsuzy on September 30, 2016, 21:53:40
You will become additive to the drug. Not because the drug itself is addictive as you say. You will become dependent on taking the drug if ap works. If ap works you will want to take the drug again and again. You have obviously made up your mind that you will take the drug and we cannot persuade you not to do it. It is your choice, your life.
Contrary to what you might think I've never taken DMT, 5-MEO-DMT, LSD, and many other psychedelics. I can't even count the amount of psychedelics I've taken in my whole life on one hand. And I've never astral projected on any of them. I won't go into the benefits I got from them least a moderator locks this thread. But I will say that I've benefited from them. And I've never taken a strong dose. And I've never gotten addicted from any psychedelic. Like I said psychedelics aren't addictive except for the dissociative psychedelics which have some addiction potential. Personally I wouldn't recommend any of those for spiritual use.
Lastly try telling the shamans in Peru and the Amazon that the people they treat with ayahuasca and peyote, tell them that they are going to make a bunch of drug addicts. Grow up.
Thanks for chiming in these discussions need to be had.
I just dont trust any exp. while using drugs . I tried weed once 25+ years ago . I know how it change your percpt. of reality .
Quote from: desert-rat on October 01, 2016, 14:09:50
I just dont trust any exp. while using drugs . I tried weed once 25+ years ago . I know how it change your percpt. of reality .
Well not all tools are created equally. And I admit that since we don't have really good science on these psychedelics it's really hard to say with absolute confidence anything about them unless we take them ourselves over a period of time or we study what others have to say. Which isn't for the vast majority of people. So your view is understandable. At the same time it also means that you really don't know much of anything about this type of spiritual tool called psychedelics. And BTW marijuana isn't a real psychedelic. So it's like comparing apples and oranges, not a good idea.
Let me ask you Desert Rat if a certain type of nanobot were scientifically proven to give people spiritual enlightenment within one year would you use the nanobots to catalyze your spiritual growth?
I guess its that I have scene too many people wreck there lives abusing drugs . Inc. alc. , to be fair I do drink beer . I am for the leagalization of all drugs , if one wants to screw them selfs up , thats there choise .
On nano bots , I am sure there on there way . Put in side people to fix them up . i dont know about any thing spiritural tho . Personaly I will see how they work on others first .
Plasma, please keep the drug talk out of here.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/aup_addendum_must_read-t44680.0.html
This goes to everyone else as well please.
Quote from: Xanth on October 02, 2016, 20:37:09
Plasma, please keep the drug talk out of here.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/aup_addendum_must_read-t44680.0.html
This goes to everyone else as well please.
I don't think I broke the rules as the link you posted says.
"There are no taboo topics here and mental conditions and drug use are a part of our reality and can be appropriate for discussion but only for academic purposes,
meaning they are only up for discussion as to what role they play in our theoretical understanding of the larger reality. Questions in regards to how much of a supplement or drug should be ingested (even legal ones) are not our area of expertise so please refrain from asking and use common sense before posting similar questions."
You can't get into a "theoretical understanding" without getting into personal opinion. Which is what I did. I never directly promoted any molecule that our body doesn't already make anyway. So in that sense 5-MEO-DMT isn't a drug. Because if 5-MEO-DMT is a drug then our body is full of drugs. Which doesn't make sense. But beyond any psychedelic talk all I really wanted out of this thread was to get people to see a very interesting story about a very powerful "larger reality" experience psychedelic or not.
OK I've got a theoretical question for you Xanth. If 5-MEO-DMT was eventually legalized for medical use and scientifically proven to give permanent enlightenment in 90 percent of people that consistently take it, and 100 percent proven to give a spiritual experience, then would you consider taking it in a medical setting?
On another note Leo just said something I never thought I would hear him say since he's been such a naturalist, he quoted Thomas Campbell in his new video here. I forget exactly where it's at but it's in the first half of the video I know.
Low Quality vs High Quality Consciousness
https://youtu.be/Hg8JDHlkIrM
If Leo is listening to Thomas Campbell I know he's definitely changed his train of thought about reality to a pretty high degree, and IMO his psychedelic use catalyzed that. And little other things he's said makes me think this too. This is theoretical of course.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on October 05, 2016, 01:28:51
I don't think I broke the rules as the link you posted says.
Perhaps it was your comment on "Nanobots being used for spiritual advancement and Astral Projection" that got you that warning Plasma, lol! :-D
Quote from: Lumaza on October 05, 2016, 01:49:11
Perhaps it was your comment on "Nanobots being used for spiritual advancement and Astral Projection" that got you that warning Plasma, lol! :-D
:lol: :roll:
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on October 05, 2016, 01:28:51
I don't think I broke the rules as the link you posted says.
You're promoting it's use. Please stop, or the thread will get deleted.
The Astral Pulse DOES NOT condone the use of drugs in order to project.
Our stance is that you need to learn to do it yourself. You gain very little, if anything at all from using drugs to project.
Thank you Xanth!
Plasma, I can feed you a variety of drugs or crack you in the head with a crowbar...each will possibly introduce you in some fashion to the Astral. Neither of them are recommended and that is the position the Pulse has to take, so your entreaty needs to come to an end.
You need to learn to do it yourself.
This is what the drug does:
From Wikipdia:
5-MeO-DMT (5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) is a psychedelic of the tryptamine class.
From Thefreedictiony.com:
Psychedelic:
1. Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.
2. Suggestive or evocative of an altered or hallucinatory state of perception: psychedelic patterns; psychedelic music.
n.A drug, such as LSD or mescaline, that produces psychedelic effects.
Once you wreck your brain you cannot fix it.
The hp forum is more in to drug use .
http://www.hipforums.com/forum/index.php
Quote from: Astralsuzy on October 05, 2016, 06:03:45
This is what the drug does:
From Wikipdia:
5-MeO-DMT (5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) is a psychedelic of the tryptamine class.
From Thefreedictiony.com:
Psychedelic:
1. Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.
2. Suggestive or evocative of an altered or hallucinatory state of perception: psychedelic patterns; psychedelic music.
n.A drug, such as LSD or mescaline, that produces psychedelic effects.
Once you wreck your brain you cannot fix it.
Now go and check if Wikipedia and Thefreedictiony.com gives you an accurate definition for astral projection. I'm done on this thread.
Then I'll just lock this up for posterity sake.