where does wiccan fit into phasing / astral discussion

[thenoob]

I was talking to someone this morning who claimed to be a fallen angel, he was running off all this literature which was so dense with so many terminologies, energy levels, etc.... he said his soul was 4000 years old and had all these special powers, etc... overall he was very condecending

my question is, is this stuff real, or a construct of the mind; i.e., when a wiccan goes into the astral realm and practices their magic, their action and ability to do it TO THEM confirms their practices--when the truth is in the astral anyone can do anything so it's as if they're believing in their own hype? or is it real? because I'm not really prepared to believe in magic... this stuff, OBE's astral phasing I feel I can believe and stay relatively grounded because I've had some progress... but when we go into magic and witchcraft it's just too much.

Can anyone clarify? Because when he was talking about that I seriously started tofeel a bit sick in the stomach

[MisterJingo]

Something you will find is that if you go into the astral with preconcieved notions, those notions will be be proven to yourself (this doesn't necessarily mean they hold any truth outside of your own desires. I've known a lot of people who read about the astral long before they experienced it. Rather than maintaining an open mind, they imposed the writings and teachings the learnt upon their interpretation of their experience. They take this as justification such teachings are true - rather than seeing they interpreted the experience in terms of the teachings etc.
If someone wants to believe they are a 4000 year old fallen angel, leave them too it, but don't buy into it unless you want to. I'd be cautious for the simply fact the astral doesn't seem to have linear time, so age is irrelevant i.e. we are all timeless or so to speak. Secondly, talking about angels shows a belief in certain religious ideas - the astral is big enough to encompase all religions, beliefs and doctrines. This doesn't mean to say any of it has any truth outside of built up belief.
In these matters it can be best to err on the side of caution so you consider all possibilities rather than restrict yourself to one.

[shadow.pulsar]

Hi Thenoob,

I agree with MisterJingo on this one.  You have to keep an open mind when going in to the astral realm as it will conform to your preconceived beliefs and notions. As a Witch myself I can tell you that the person you spoke to is not Wiccan and is certainly not a Witch.  They sound like a crack pot fool who is just trying to make themselves sound much more important than they really are, probably in a vain attempt to impress you.  They probably picked up a couple of books, read a few pages, and now run around calling themselves the High Magus Wizard Witch King!  I can tell you that, and this is coming from a real Witch, that Magick and Witchcraft are very difficult paths to follow, and not just because of the flak the we get from everyone.  It requires honor and integrity, in vast amounts. Every true Witch strives for impeccability within themselves and in their interactions with others and within this pursuit they humble themselves (or are forced to become humble by others).  Very rarely will you see a real Witch jumping around proclaiming to be the reincarnation of Merlin and if you do it is best to avoid them as they are probably off their rocker.

There are a lot of preconceived notions out there about what is Witchcraft and Magick.  Very simply it is not wiggling your nose and *poof* I turn you into a newt.  Nor is it Harry Potter wand waving.  Magick has it's basis and roots in the universal laws that govern all of existence and non-existence, hence the reason it is more effective on the astral. Magick is simply using energy to effect a change, usually within ourselves. Though it helps if you already look at the universe from the standpoint of subjective reality.  A good book, and one that will blow your brains out every time you read it, is the Kyballion by the three initiates. This is basically the must have document for universal laws.  One of them (The Law of Attraction) has been in the lime light recently due to the book and move called The Secret and is starting to gain real traction in mundane society.

Now, onto you question... Is this stuff real?  Well first you must define real? Is it what you perceive in your waking life?  To take a page out of The Matrix, and from Morpheus specifically, what is real is simply electric impulses that your brain interprets from your senses.  There for everything you see, hear, taste, touch, and smell are all constructs of your mind, as are dreams, meditations, astral experiences, the list just goes on endlessly.  All of it is real by that context. Really what confirms that Magick and Witchcraft are real are the fact that others who are not Witches have used the universal laws to effect change.  The real question here though is what do you want to believe is true? Does Magick and Witchcraft, at least the universal laws that they are based upon, do they ring true to you, in your gut, your instinct?  If it does, then it is real, regardless of what path you walk or what your definition of reality is.

Hope that helps!

[thenoob]

thanks very much for the info but I can't help but feel a little freaked out because this person is starting to threaten me and I feel he is going to true to put a spell or something against me

[Principle]

The only way someones Energy can work against you,
Is if you chose to believe in it, and believe it is effecting you.

Remember, You are a Divine Being of the Light,
You dispell and banish all Evil and Negativity from within yourself and surroundings.