My team and I are...

[AstralBorn]

My team and I are working on designing something to allow ANYONE and EVERYONE to Astral Project at will and ALLMOST instantly...

A little about my team...
Jake... He is 15, Sceptic, Never Projected, Doesnt believe in it, "NOT POSSIBLE"

Alex... She is 19, Cannot project by herself, Been in the Planes 3 times

Sarah... She is 17, Can Project by herself, Takes 30 mins to Project, Projected about 50 times

Jenna... She is 21, Quite good, Makes allsorts of electronic devices, Projects about 2 times a week, doesnt take long

Dave... He is 19, The "Technique Guy" He knows allmost EVERY technique ever knowen, Never projected by himself but is in the Planes every day

And me... Im 16, Project at will and Instantly, Computer Programer, Never had the pleasure of trying any techniques as I have never needed them, Have access to a huge range of resources, Know the Planes insideout, Have heaps of theory's...

Alot of people are saying what we are trying to do "Cannot" be done... especially by Us... But what do they know...

We are planning on setting up a website as soon as we find a host.

The thing we hope will be portable and light not some big thing or somthing run on a computer...

Currently we have made a bunch of CD's that work with binaural beats.
Jenna has made a watch-like device that does a real good job at relaxing the body.

We think the end result might be a mix of the two things


If you think you have any good ideas that could help us out in our goal please
email the details to AstralBorn [at] gmail [dot] com

.::~AstralBorn~::.

[MisterJingo]

I would say look into technologies other than binaural beats. Organisations (such as the Monroe Institute) have spent ludicrous amounts of money and large amounts of time (30 years+) researching this area with some of the best technology and facilities money can buy.
So if you travel this route you will more likely than not be treading familiar ground.
Or an addition to binaural beat is the use of light pulses (ala sound and light machines), such a device can be set up to interface with a PC via the parallel port and would need someone with detailed knowledge of electrical engineering, and a programmer to get it to work. It works by keeping the same frequency differential (beat) but transmitting it through the optical nerves – such devices can have a greater effect than audio technology alone – but you run a risk due to some people being susceptible to fits from light stimulation.

There are possibly other technologies which have yet to be discovered which could help a person produce an obe.

[mactombs]

I think part of the problem with binaural beats is that they don't work the same for every brain, so you can't really have a universal solution.

The watch invention sounds interesting. Relaxation is very important.

Actually, my guess is that if such a device were invented (and I think it has a pretty good chance of happening) I think it will be a computer game, VR. Something like you'd read about in a William Gibson novel (Virtual Light, Neuromancer).

How much do you know about hypnosis? I think what you'd need is a way to entrain all the senses, not just audio or visual, but all of them. Take the focus off the body stimulus and into the brain, and I think you'd have it.

[MisterJingo]

I think part of the problem with binaural beats is that they don't work the same for every brain, so you can't really have a universal solution.

The watch invention sounds interesting. Relaxation is very important.

Actually, my guess is that if such a device were invented (and I think it has a pretty good chance of happening) I think it will be a computer game, VR. Something like you'd read about in a William Gibson novel (Virtual Light, Neuromancer).

How much do you know about hypnosis? I think what you'd need is a way to entrain all the senses, not just audio or visual, but all of them. Take the focus off the body stimulus and into the brain, and I think you'd have it.

I agree with this, a method of entraining all sences might have a tremendous effect. One possibility is the use of magnetic fields on various parts of the brain whilst in a state of sensory deprivation.

[mactombs]

If I had the resources, I'd get a comfortable chair that can be adjust like a dentist chair, put on some video goggles (or even just have a swirling spiral), turn on some entrainment, and administer a little nitrous. Why don't they have a lounge like that in Amsterdam or something? Go in, lay down on a couch, put on the video goggles, select your entrainment, and put on the gas mask. Could even just be an oxygen bar, at that. I bet it would have fantastic results. You could even have official tests like they have at hospitals to test NDEs, such as a random number displayed somewhere, etc. You could have whole squadrons that try to meet up and perform different tests/experiments OBE.

If you were academic or financially oriented, I bet you could start your own lab or get government sponsorship. At the very least, it would have psychological value. It would be really exciting to be part of Astral Labs, exploring the new frontier ...

[AstralBorn]

I would say look into technologies other than binaural beats. Organisations (such as the Monroe Institute) have spent ludicrous amounts of money and large amounts of time (30 years+) researching this area with some of the best technology and facilities money can buy.
So if you travel this route you will more likely than not be treading familiar ground.
Or an addition to binaural beat is the use of light pulses (ala sound and light machines), such a device can be set up to interface with a PC via the parallel port and would need someone with detailed knowledge of electrical engineering, and a programmer to get it to work. It works by keeping the same frequency differential (beat) but transmitting it through the optical nerves – such devices can have a greater effect than audio technology alone – but you run a risk due to some people being susceptible to fits from light stimulation.

MisterJingo, Do you know where I could get information on the use of light?

[MisterJingo]

I would say look into technologies other than binaural beats. Organisations (such as the Monroe Institute) have spent ludicrous amounts of money and large amounts of time (30 years+) researching this area with some of the best technology and facilities money can buy.
So if you travel this route you will more likely than not be treading familiar ground.
Or an addition to binaural beat is the use of light pulses (ala sound and light machines), such a device can be set up to interface with a PC via the parallel port and would need someone with detailed knowledge of electrical engineering, and a programmer to get it to work. It works by keeping the same frequency differential (beat) but transmitting it through the optical nerves – such devices can have a greater effect than audio technology alone – but you run a risk due to some people being susceptible to fits from light stimulation.

MisterJingo, Do you know where I could get information on the use of light?

Well here's a few examples of comercial machines:

http://www.syneticsystems.com/Proteus.html

http://www.audiostrobe.com/

http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcmarc/bwl/


Here's a schematic to build your own:

http://www.hackcanada.com/homegrown/wetware/brainwave/index.html

//http://www.hackcanada.com/homegrown/wetware/brainwave/bwm-at90ls4433.png

There are other schematics out there, but I can't find them at the moment, i'll keep looking though.

[AstralBorn]

MisterJingo, Thanks for that... I have Jenna working on it now.

-AstralBorn

[MisterJingo]

MisterJingo, Thanks for that... I have Jenna working on it now.

-AstralBorn

Let us know how you get on Brainwave entrainment using light is much more effective than using sound alone Just be careful, some people are sensitive to seizures when looking at strobing lights.

[AstralBorn]

We dont seem to be getting any notable results with the lights,
Allthough they did make Sarah start seeing things.

-AstralBorn

[MisterJingo]

We dont seem to be getting any notable results with the lights,
Allthough they did make Sarah start seeing things.

-AstralBorn

Are you using the lights and a BB set to the same frequency?

[AstralBorn]

It's all being done exactly as it should.
All set up correctly...

Jenna is still working on it though, Will post if anything new happens.

-AstralBorn

[MisterJingo]

It's all being done exactly as it should.
All set up correctly...

Jenna is still working on it though, Will post if anything new happens.

-AstralBorn

I guess it's a case of 'letting';' go and relaxing as deeply as possible while using this technology.
BB's do not always produce experiences, but from literature I've read in the past, adding the light element increases the effects.
I've had friends who use these machines while also on psychedelics - they claim it can get pretty wild.

[Giselle]

If you succeed, I'll be first in line to buy it!!!!!!!!!!

Good luck.  

Giselle

[AstralBorn]

We have some results with it...
But for some reason the lights are causeing it to double...
Like the 15 hz from the cd and the 15 from the lights is turning out as 30 in the brain, wich I didnt read anything saying that is the case...
But we changed it all to half and it is going right and is working twice as fast as the sound alone... Thanks.

-AstralBorn

[MisterJingo]

We have some results with it...
But for some reason the lights are causeing it to double...
Like the 15 hz from the cd and the 15 from the lights is turning out as 30 in the brain, wich I didnt read anything saying that is the case...
But we changed it all to half and it is going right and is working twice as fast as the sound alone... Thanks.

-AstralBorn

Are the lights and sound 'beats' synced? perhaps if they're slightly out of sync the stimuli from ears and brain could effectively double the it to double?

[AstralBorn]

It's all perfectly sync

But that doesnt realy matter now, As simply halfing everything solves the prob...

[Froglet]

are you already able to get into an obe state with what you have?  Reading over this thread is really exciting... I hope you guys succeed.

[Antranik]

sounds amazing!  i support you guys 100%

i know self hypnosis is very effective too.

if you can have a device, like the watch or anything else that can relax your entire body instantly or very fast at least, then listening to hypnosis suggestions to get out of body can maybe make it a lot more successfull.

[AstralBorn]

Well, With what we have now...
Everyone but Jake can just push a button and within about 5 mins be in a perfect state to project...
It doesnt make them actuly project, But it gets them so close to it they can't help but project...

We want everyone, no matter how much they dissbelieve to be able to project... And as Jake can't We still have a long long way to go.

[mactombs]

We want everyone, no matter how much they dissbelieve to be able to project... And as Jake can't We still have a long long way to go.

You might want to re-think this. I don't believe astral projection was meant for those who aren't prepared for it ... though, I admit for some, other parts of them decide spontaneously it's time.

Try testing your device on a wider range of people, see how that works. If you try changing everything just to suit one person, you could be going way off track with it. You need to experiment with a wider base first.

[AstralBorn]

We do test it on a wide range of people...

-AstralBorn

[Enterprise87]

Well good luck, but I can't quiete figure out how your gonna do it.

[Vivek]

being skeptical here.....but y cant u ask some higher soul in the astral abt the best method??
there must be beings who  are knowledgable abt everything  in this world  right??some holder of all knowledge!!ok....its just inexperience talking....have entered the astral a few times( i think)...but i have no idea abt it..!! but just a bit intrigued , if the astral has the key to all knowledge(does it?) y cant the astral travelers just unlock these secrets and help our struggling physicists??our world from impending catastrophes??like the tsunami whic =h occured last yr.....!...just wondering...

[Tombo]

maybe something to consider is :

some neurologists point to experiments in the context of treatment of epilepsy involving electrical stimulus of a particular part of the brain, the right angular gyrus located in the parietal lobe, which produce subjective experiences having all of the hallmarks of an OBE, including the sense of enhanced reality and extreme disembodiment. This evidence, as well as similar results involving use of the drug ketamine, support the hypothesis that at least some OBEs are caused by an unusual but natural brain state in which one's body perception and sense of reality are altered.

So maybe you can trigger OBE by stimulating the angular gyrus?

Also I think crucial to OBE might be Sleep paralysis maybe you can find a way to artificially induce that?