Supposing that you believe they exist, they are simply the people that inhabit Nibiru, or 'Planet X'. From all instances they were here in the past before the great deluge and for a little while afterwards. Zecharia Sitchin's work shows evidence that Yahweh (the Jewish 'God') was actually the Annunaki Enki/Ea, who was from Nibiru. In fact, the puzzling quote "I am that I am" can also mean "I am Ea" in the original hebrew texts, and the ancients are famous for their many words with double-meanings. A good example is the word Adapa or the biblical name Adam, which could mean both 'man' and 'clay', 'earth, etc., which relates to the biblical statement that man was created from the clay of the Earth.
If they were hellbent on world domination, they would've gotten it a long time ago, before we were even civilized enough to defend ourselves. It really wouldn't be that hard for them, if other races weren't in the way..
I agree with no leaf clover. From what i have read of Sitchin's work (almost finished the first book), it seems that the people of Nibiru were not very hostile towards us. Sure, we were slaves, but i think we sort of got past that and if i remember rightly some of the ETs actually had relationships with Humans (i hope i didn't make that up in my head [:D]).
If they wanted to take over this planet, why would the have left it in the first place?
Although i'm still confused about Earth's history of ET activity and intervention, if the Annunaki are real, i would be delighted to see them come back.
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if the Annunaki are real, i would be delighted to see them come back.
I would not. From what I have heard, they may not have been hostile towards us, but they did enslave humans and use them for their own personal gain. The only reason I can see for them coming back would be to use us for their own desires again. Not something I am very keen on.
That's a good point, but it would still be cool to have proof of their existence and thus of man's origins. I don't seem to think of them in a negative way. Of course i don't know what could really happen by any means [:P]
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if the Annunaki are real, i would be delighted to see them come back.
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I would not.
You might not have anything to worry about, Fallnangel. From what I understand, because of their past involvement with us (the whole temporary enslavement and reverance as divine thing), they themselves won't be involved with upcoming events aside from observing the whole thing as it happens. The project seems to primarily involve only the Zeta and Pleiadians. 'Nibiruans' will probably not set foot here again until everything has settled down and the appearance of other races is no longer a big deal, just as things were in the past.
Hey No leaf what is the best book to read that explains our so called history and stuff about the Zeta's, Pleadians, and Nibiru's. For some unknown reason I like the Pleadians, although i don't know anything about them.
Also if the Nibiru's came back don't you think our relationship would have changed considering all of the advances we've made in the last 2000 years? We're much better off than we were, however if they have evolved past violence and 'human' nature then we would still be savages, which we are. Maybe they'd want to be our friends or mentors and teach us things, help us catch up, as perhaps a parent would teach a child.
People are screwed anyways, if I was an alien I wouldn't want to come down here. The percentage of people who are 'advanced' or 'enlightened'or just ready to deal with that reality are very few compared to the masses of ignorant sheep awaiting this week's paycheck to go get drunk. Think about it.
Be well,
J
Seems like this would be the right place to post this.
So I was out walking and began to stare up at Mars which was very close and very red. I became sad and wistful and got myself worked into a light trance state in which I thought to myself "remember when you were on mars..."
This jolted me back to reality and I thought "No, actually, I don't remember ever being on Mars, how weird of me to think it."
So I got on the internet and saw that Mars is supposedly full of pyramids and faces and dried up riverbeds.
Did we come from there? Is this the origin of the human race? Did we all come from there, possibly?
Wow, Leyla, that's certainly something for you to look into more. I've never heard of any beings from Mars but that doesn't mean there aren't any. Actually i have been told by somebody that they read somewhere about somebody talking about beings from other planets in out solar system i think Mars was one of them. I know that doesn't help much but that's all i have.
nthjbam - i know i'm not no leaf but from what i've read form the internet and books, if there really are Extra-Terrestrials helping us, i think they are also doing it for their own benefit and for the benefit of the solar system. The books i've read on the subject are "The Twelfth Planet" by Zecheria Sitchin, and "Bringer of the Dawn" by Barara Marciniak. I haven't actually finished reading either yet though.
I'm sure no leaf would be able to help you more, just thought i'd add my own input.
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Also if the Nibiru's came back don't you think our relationship would have changed considering all of the advances we've made in the last 2000 years?
That is really hard to say. To them we might have devolved. It all depends on their culture and how they veiw things. For example, the Native Americans were well advanced and in many cases superior to the Europeans but most Europeans still saw the Native Americans as savages and primative mostly because their culture was not like theirs and had different values.
Leyla, that face on Mars was just because of the shadows and angle the picture was taken. Pictures of the same area taken at a different time show it just looks like hills, a regular landscape. I don't know anything about pyramids.
Understandibly, however it would be an ignorant comment, to say humanity on the whole has not advanced in the last 200 years. Even on a spiritual level etc. We've gone our own way but in doing so we have improved many things. Who cares if we are spiritually backwards apes? Some of us have things right, internal truths and so on etc etc. Like I said most people are a waste. oh well. Besides if these guys are so advanced etc etc why don't they just fly over here in the astral and tell us whats up? or in the last 2000 years make a spaceship that can fly here? whatever. It's all a fun story but, seriously... I'll start worrying about their insane might when I see some empirical evidence.
Be well,
J
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Hey No leaf what is the best book to read that explains our so called history and stuff about the Zeta's, Pleadians, and Nibiru's. For some unknown reason I like the Pleadians, although i don't know anything about them.
Sitchin's
Earth Chronicles is just about all I read from books but I'm sure there are a lot more books out there on the subject. Beyond that, you can surf internet pages as long as you're ready to easily replace one idea with another that makes more sense. You can contact Mayatnik on MSN messenger too. He can tell you a whole lot more than I can about the ancient past and how things fall into place with modern times.
The Nibiruans most likely have advanced greatly but at the same time they have agreed to leave all of what needs to be done to the Zeta and whoever might help the Zeta. I think the Zeta and Pleiadians are doing fine on their own.
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So I got on the internet and saw that Mars is supposedly full of pyramids and faces and dried up riverbeds.
Did we come from there? Is this the origin of the human race? Did we all come from there, possibly?
From conversations with Mayatnik and Edigux I've heard that there was civilization on Mars ages and ages ago, when the Zeta were starting out as a race, but I don't know how this fits in with the creation of our solar system, because we know of crater marks on the surface of Mars that date back to Nibiru's first collision about 3.9 billion years ago. It's possible civilization was set up under the surface. The Annunaki (astronauts from Nibiru) would later build the face, pyramids, and other things as a sort of way-station along their trip from Nibiru as it was positioned in the asteroid belt to Earth.
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Leyla, that face on Mars was just because of the shadows and angle the picture was taken. Pictures of the same area taken at a different time show it just looks like hills, a regular landscape. I don't know anything about pyramids.
The reason people think the Face is merely a light play is because in the late 90's when new pictures were released they were a whole lot clearer and didn't show a face as much as the first pictures did some 25 years ago. The pictures nonetheless show a feature that could hardly be described as natural. The clarity of the facial features has been worn away for the most part by Martian weather, but the general outline of the face is still eerily precise, and it is still possible to make out two parallel indentions near the 'top' of the face which were eyes, a nearly perfectly flat plane for the mouth area, etc. The fact that the Face is so close to the Pyramids (which can't be so easily explained and NASA has not released any further pictures of them since the very first), to me, is just verification that the face really is an artificial piece of the Martian landscape. Then you have the runways, dead-on geometry, etc., but all that can be debated just as the Face can by 'experts'. All you have to do is look at the big picture to realize something is really freaked up on that part of Mars. All of those things are in such close proximity to each other and are uncannily debate-provoking, it makes you wonder. [:)]
Okay. I've had a look for myself. The face might be debatable but those are obviously pyramids. I don't care what the 'experts' have to say about it, I'm not blind. Also I read that they've found oxygen, hydrogen, and ice there. Everything needed to sustain life.
Pictures of the "face": http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/msss/camera/images/moc_5_24_01/face/index.html
It looks like a natural formation to me. I am not saying that I cannot see a face if I use my imagination, but it looks rather natural. But it can be debated with no true side winning.
Now if anyone has any links to pictures of the pyramids I would appreciate it. I am still looking for them.
Mars Fact Sheet: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/marsfact.html
Why not trust the experts at NASA? Can you imagine the funding they would get if there was good evidence that there was once ancient civilations there? NASA has not really been top priority lately, any added positive attention would help them alot.
Here are some pics of the region I gathered and posted in the Prophecy/Divination forum:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5566
You can go with what NASA says if you want. I don't really mind.
Ok.
I have one good question. If these guys are so advanced and can do space travel etc. Why the heck do they need a runway? Why can't they just land on the spot. vertical take off and landing? Are there any good websites which outline these races, people, and says what they are all about?
Be well,
J
Well in my searching for the pictures earlier I came across a really good answer as to why I believe NASA. Someone answered a question really well, but alas I cannot find it now. If I find it I will post it.
Basicly NASA had to choose between either going with the formations being geological or artificially made by aliens. By scientific method they must go with that which is the simple answer with the most supporting facts. Geological formations is the most logical explanation at this time given all the facts that we have at this time. Observing all of nature, one will see many odd things as well as shapes that are completely natural and not artificially made. Based solely on the fact that the formations appear to be odd is not evidence enough to say that they are artificial.
I think that the explanation given is very logical and based on reason. They never said that it was not possible that they were formed by an advanced race, merely that at this time there is not enough information to support that theory. For me, instead of jumping to conclusions I go with NASA based on the facts at present time. That does not mean I do not think the formations could not have been made by aliens. I just do not see much evidence to support that at this time. I do not think ill of anyone that does believe they were made by aliens. Everyone is free to their own opinion.
By the way, where did you get the pictures for the facility? The sketch does not look very much like the actual pictures. And the pictures are very difficult to make out.
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I have one good question. If these guys are so advanced and can do space travel etc. Why the heck do they need a runway? Why can't they just land on the spot. vertical take off and landing? Are there any good websites which outline these races, people, and says what they are all about?
Be well,
J
The beings from Nibiru used the runway maybe 400,000 years ago. Their technology was about the same as ours is now apparently for landings and take-offs, but they could travel greater distances and used water as fuel, which is much more efficient since there is much water under the surface of Mars (hence the use of Mars as a way-station). The Zetas, on the other hand, quite simply own both of us in such technology. Their attitude towards revelations of such technology is that if it won't greatly affect our growth as a race, we can have some of their technology. But we can't be spoon-fed everything from an older race, and this is the case for both us and the inhabitants of Nibiru. You'll notice UFO's are usually described as saucers that are extremely fast and maneuverable, and when they land, they land vertically. This is probably Zeta technology and the source of your question, having been exposed to such examples of UFO's in the past.
Hey Fallnangel. How goes it?
I believe the 'facility' pics came from one of Richard Hoagland's sites. The clearest one is simply a model of what the building probably looks like based on actual pics.
NASA has every right to avoid saying that the structures aren't artificial, but it's a little much when the debunkers come out and bluntly say everything from Cydonia on Mars is nothing out of the ordinary and means nothing besides something sort of looked like a Face in the late 70's. A lot of people take the more defensive rather than curious approach, when there is some studying to be done.
The main question, I would presume, rather than why all of those unique structures are so centrally located (and right where the former Martian equator used to be), would be how the pyramids there formed. The pyramids are nearly perfect in their shape and haven't been found anywhere else on Mars. The pyramids have four sides, with the except of one which has five sides. All the sides are equally sized and thus form a pyramidical shape. What natural feature could create that is beyond me. Pretty much the only thing on Mars that could have made that is wind, and the wind would have to be going in 4 and 5 directions at once to make the structures. There are other problems as well, such as the rock that was being eroded for such a structure to be formed, for surely a bunch of dust wasn't just blown into a few piles of perfect pyramids. And also keep in mind that these structures are
huge, and aren't just little mounds on the soil.
So, extraterrestrial stuff aside, the features in 'Cydonia' should be studied. If they were naturally created, it was by some force on Mars that we aren't yet aware of yet even on Earth, and that alone I think is enough for curiousity to take hold. However, from brainwashing or whatever other reasons, the vast majority of the people who go for the more scientific approach will just tell you point blank that there is nothing at all unusual in Cydonia and all the ET stuff is bs. Maybe all the ET stuff
is bs. But is Cydonia just your average patch of Martian soil and nothing more? I wouldn't say so. I think if no one was really worried, we would be studying it a lot more than we are.
NLC (Edited for spelling.)
Hey, it goes well. How about yourself?
I agree that this area needs to be studied a lot more. Like you said, the formations are interesting reguardless of how they came to be. If they are natural then it is very interesting as to what natural force could form them and needs to be studied, especially if we ever plan to actually send men to Mars some day. If they are artificial then it is amazing too. While it would answer one question it would open up a whole lot more, but then again isn't it always that way.
The reason given on NASA's site as to why they do not examine the area more is that it is difficult to position the satelite to take pictures of it. I can understand that, as a satelite has to maintain a certain speed to stay in orbit and probably cannot be moved around a lot out of its path. As to how true this is I do not know as I have not see its orbital path or know alot about the math behind it.
I can understand the frustration with the debunkers that claim to know for sure. That is why I liked the statement I found as the person sounded open minded and reasonable. I am not sure who made the statement though. I just hope that NASA has more open minded and objective people than the extremist.
Does NASA have pictures of the facility on their site anywhere? Where is it suppose to be? I have not seen anything labeled as a facility on their maps and pictures, whereas they do point out the other features.
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I did find this:
What is NASA's official opinion as to what the "face" on Mars is?
NASA has no official opinion on what the so-called "face" on Mars is. Most planetary scientists agree that, although there is insufficient data to make a definitive analysis of the feature, it is highly unlikely to be anything other than a combination of a natural feature and unusual lighting conditions.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/planetaryfaq.html#Mars
It goes fine with me too. [:)]
Here's a site with more pics of the Facility: http://www.anomalies.net/ufo/mars/facility/
The site lists its source as a site that is marked .gov (a government-run or related site!) so the pic probably isn't fake, unless it's posted on the government site just because it's an exposed hoax or something, but I didn't visit the actual source site and I don't think that situation is very likely. You can check for yourself.
NLC
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Ok.
I have one good question. If these guys are so advanced and can do space travel etc. Why the heck do they need a runway? Why can't they just land on the spot. vertical take off and landing? Are there any good websites which outline these races, people, and says what they are all about?
Be well,
J
Maybe they were human? There are legends of giants in human past - also seen as "fallen angels" (came from above?) who were destroyed when God got angry at them for taking (native) human wives (Book of Enoch I think). They also seem to have brough high technologies with them. I've seen gold shirts in the gold museum of lima that could only fit a giant, and the gravity of mars (1/3 of earth) would also fit this.
But its all very confusing - trying to analyse tens, even hundreds or millions of years of human history with....."extremely limited data" is an understatement. Every time I think I have a good handle on things I find something else that makes me realise I dont have a clue. With so many, many factors to try and pull together its like looking for a needle in a haystack. Interesting though!
[;)]
Rob
Ok check it out.
Let's assume I am one of these alien masters or whatever. Now I've come from my planet which is in space ship range for a handfull of years. My technology is obviously better than the tech on Earth right now. However I still need a runway to land my ship. So the first time I land here I do it renegade style and pick a spot on a flat area, ok cool. Now a whole bunch of ships loaded with massive tech wuld have to come also, maybe even the first ship was the ark of a sorts with all my tools and gadgets, capable of doing all kinds of crazy stuff. One if i need a runway to land and i've been catapulted off my planet, how will I get my ship to launch of earth again? that's feasible, maybe I brought the tools to re-fuel and launch. Build three pyramids, impress the native apes, make them into cool little puppies, teach them cool stuff, and when the ish hits the fan me and my friends get back on board and take off.
Don't you think they would have left some sort of significant instalations, like underground or whatever, with stuff? They wouldn't repack everything and not leave a trace, only leaving fables behind, wouldn't there be leaked technology? If such an occurence were real wouldn't people have written it down, wouldn't there be cult like followings per each leader? I just don't think the break would be that clean, it's possible that it was, but judging by an imperfect being, there are always mistakes. Aside from a non-intereferance credo, which obviously there was not, they must have left a significant trail. Wouldn't they leave us a book saying hey we'll be back in a minute don't touch our stuff. Or maintain this, some kind of plan for us to follow so we didn't just become rabid dogs all emulating our so called gods? Even if this is the case, it's evev more irresponsible to leave 'children' unatended, and just take off, well it was fun, we couldn't find a babysitter, so don't kill each other now. I don't know there are too many questions. It's cool for sure, but how come none of us are in contact with these guys on the astral plane, if all of you are succesful AP'ers why don't some of us go out there and track these guys down, find their planet and ask them what the deal was? maybe this will spark some conversation. I hope.
Be well,
J
nthjbam,
If you looked into the subject more, you'd realize the mission to Earth wasn't just something that these guys did in their spare time cause it seemed cool. There was a lot more to it.
Who's to say they didn't leave things behind? The best examples of what was left behind are the Great Pyramids in Giza. Did you know that the three Great Pyramids aligned perfectly with Orion's Belt in the year 15,000 BCE? That's about 12,000 years earlier than when most people assume they were built. Throw out any ideas you have about them being built as tombs - the only people buried there were done so during intrusion burials many years after their construction, and the supposed kings that built the huge structures were buried miles away!
The following sites relate to the Pyramids and their connection to Orion's Belt:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/ritson/quest/orion/gizagif.htm
http://www.think.cz/books/fingerprintgods.html
Then you have sites in Jerusalem that are believed to cotnain more stone than all three of the Great Pyramids combined. The biggest site was expanded upon and decorated throughout the ages by people from the Hebrews to the Romans, but it was important to the ancients before huge stone ornaments were placed all around it. But why? According to the Sumerians, it was a great air base in ancient times for the Annunaki before the Flood. To this day it has not been fully explored, but huge underground shafts are likely to exist.
For texts, you have tons of them (probably literally!). The Sumerian and Egyptian texts explicitly describe the landings and take-offs of ships, the existance of 10 planets in our solar system, another race of 'divine' beings from another realm, and many other things which they really shouldn't have known. They credited all their info to the beings the Sumerians described as the Annunaki, but of course history takes all of that as primitve mythology with coincidental misunderstandings about our solar system. How could such ancient, primitive people outline in their Epic of Creation that Pluto was a moon of Saturn before being dragged out of orbit by an invading rogue planet they called 'Nibiru'? They must've been talking about something else and were simply confused (or so we are told).
For 'leaving children unattended'... We are not their children, nor are we in need of their supervision or are wholly their creations. We have a lot in common with the inhabitants of Nibiru. They may have just, as Sitchin puts it, 'jumped the gun' on evolution. The whole reason they aren't involved in things now is because of what they did millenia ago that probably shouldn't have been done (tampering with our natural evolution).
And finally, if you want astral experiences or other communication, look no farther than this very message board.
The follow link is to an astral experience relating to Nibiru:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4819
And you may already be aware that a chunk of the Astral Pulse forums are now dedicated to contact with guides (which are mostly Zeta and Pleiadian you may gather), channeling information, and "all issues relating to communications with Beings beyond the physical world."
I saw a show about the pyramids and Orion's Belt, or some stars, on the Discovery channel maybe a year or two ago. It was interesting. If I recall correctly the pyramids were to almost prefect scale (if not perfect) of the stars and the shafts in the pyramids would line up with it at some point. I don't recall how long ago now.
Very interesting, but again not necessarily proof of ET intervention. I am not sure about the Egyptians but I know that the Mayans were very advanced in math and astrology. If the Egyptias were as well then it would not be that difficult to scale pyramids to stars. Reguardless of who did the figuring and building, it is amazing. We may never know the true for sure. One thing that is for sure, in spite of how much we thing we are so advanced at our present time, the pyramids are rather humbling to what we can do today.
Thanks for the link to the picture. It does appear to be a government site. The picture is interesting and the geometric shape does stand out against the rest of the environment. I still do not see where they got the sketch and model you put up in your other post. It looks like someone put a little of their imagination into those.
I heard on the news that Bush is wanting to boost the space program and send men back to the moon. Supposely he is wanting to establish something more permanent up there like a base or something I guess. If this becomes reality then maybe someday we will be standing at these sites and know for sure if they are natural or artificial. Once you have gone to the moon, where to next? Mars!
nthjbam:
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Don't you think they would have left some sort of significant instalations, like underground or whatever, with stuff? They wouldn't repack everything and not leave a trace, only leaving fables behind, wouldn't there be leaked technology?
Where would be the most logical place to leave large stocks of equiptment, where they are not going to be found? Underground! This whole planet is full of some serious tunnel, cave and cavern networks. For instance - South America (I know they dynamited one (AARRGG!!!) perfectly formed huge block entrance cos it was a "safety risk" - people would go in and not return, crazy indiana jones stories from the first expeditions, which were looking for gold said to be hidden there by the natives to hide from the white man), Australia (a very skilled RVer I kinda know decided to target Uluru/Ayers rock, found lots of tunnels, Aboriginal people gaurding the entrance, very powerful entity guarding the entire site, and large stocks of ummm equiptment and stuff technology inside)....where else.....north US and canada has those insane holes eg Mels hole and other stuff. Great pyramid has been rumoured to have entire city systems below it (there was supposed to be a video taken around 98-01 if I remember right when some expedition broke in, I read of it - sounded incredible - but then it all went hush, shame), perhaps other pyramids signify similar.
As for leaked technology and other evidence - yeah, probably, but that was a loooong long time ago. Also remember to take into account the time of the destruction of Atlantis - a lot of things were lost or destroyed then.
You guys know of the "starchild" skull and the other? They're fascinating. I wonder how much of what happened in the past was alien influenced, and how much was human. That really is a big question I guess.
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Did you know that the three Great Pyramids aligned perfectly with Orion's Belt in the year 15,000 BCE?
....and 2600 BCE [;)]
If only we still had the great library eh!? We can thank early catholicism with that, for what its worth.
laters
Rob
ps you know, I have read so many different explanations for what people say happened in the past, but they all seem to be contradictory!
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ps you know, I have read so many different explanations for what people say happened in the past, but they all seem to be contradictory!
That is just the thing. How do you know who to believe? I have read many things without really looking into this subject, and many are contradictory. That is why I feel I have to go with the path that is based on the facts at hand, even if other things are possible they need the facts to back them up.
You guys need to get your heads out of the clouds -- Nibiru? What the hell? I know there's a 10th planet, but do you know what it is? Nothing. It's just like Pluto, just a hunk of crap floating in space.
You can go and accept crazed authors books as fact if you wish, but truth be told, there is absolutely no proof ( just distorted assumptions ) of any other civilization's existence.
Leyla, that face on Mars was just because of the shadows and angle the picture was taken. Pictures of the same area taken at a different time show it just looks like hills, a regular landscape.
I actually heard that the "new" pictures of that face are fakes meant to throw off the public. There's some decent research on that theory on the web -- however, unlike you folks, I'm not passing it off as fact. It's just a possibility.
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You guys need to get your heads out of the clouds -- Nibiru? What the hell? I know there's a 10th planet, but do you know what it is? Nothing. It's just like Pluto, just a hunk of crap floating in space.
You can go and accept crazed authors books as fact if you wish, but truth be told, there is absolutely no proof ( just distorted assumptions ) of any other civilization's existence.
Leyla, that face on Mars was just because of the shadows and angle the picture was taken. Pictures of the same area taken at a different time show it just looks like hills, a regular landscape.
I actually heard that the "new" pictures of that face are fakes meant to throw off the public. There's some decent research on that theory on the web -- however, unlike you folks, I'm not passing it off as fact. It's just a possibility.
I am not one to spew forth "crap" as a fact. However, I find humor in observing that just as these guys are talking about these things as fact, you too are claiming the opposite as being a fact, when truth be told, you have the same amount of "proof" to back up your claim as they do.
I think No_Leaf_Clover brought up some good points in his response above (third down from the top). Regardless of whether you believe it or not (the jury is still deliberating this one for me), I think it's just as silly for you to say, "It's all crap" as it is to say, "It's a fact that aliens built these pyramids."
The only facts I know for sure is that I don't know everything and never will.
I try not to 'spew forth forth crap as a fact' but I know that I come across to a lot of people as having absolutely no doubt that what I'm saying is true. Just because I think something is true doesn't mean anyone else has to think the same or even that what I believe is true. I post things that I feel are right with intentions of providing information, or at least catching someone's interest, etc., without going as far as, say, a certain member that we had a while back that was well known for his insistance on his certainty of his ultimate truth. If someone looks into what I'm always rambling about with reading books and studying astronomical oddities and finds it to seem valid enough for them, or maybe they just become familiar with the idea, that's great, and if I what I happen to believe is true, I may have just aided someone and therefore all of us. If not, that's perfectly fine and I realize I could be horribly mistaken. Maybe I'll even end up with Satan in Hell. But until I find something more reasonable, I'll stick with what I believe and I won't be shy about it. I don't subscribe to such things just because they're a neat idea or because I like the attention associated with it.
I'm curious as to what TheWanderer's motivations were when he posted those messages. I'd like to think his intentions are for the best when he posts regarding things he doesn't subscribe to and that he's offering new ideas rather than simply wanting to bash the current ideas held by some people. Maybe it's just me but that message felt a little assertive. [8D]
I don't have time to say much else tonight. My typing lags, so blame any typos on that. Sleep well or good morning/evening, wherever you are.
NLC
I can't offer you any clear-cut alternatives to our origins or what-not, because quite frankly, I'm in no place to be discussing those matters. Heck, I haven't met one person that is qualified to discuss those matters with factual information. They're all assumptions -- and trust me, your opinion is one of millions relating to ET origins.
However, I believe in applying Occom's Razor -- the simplest explanation IS the explanation. Rather than complicate things with wild fantasies of aliens and genetic engineering, realize that it's too complicated and out there with your common sense, and accept that our existence is most likely a much, much more simpler thing.
Haha!
Jeeze guys, this started out being all about fun, friends, and intergalactic domination. You twisted it all up, hate the game not the player... jeeze. LOL Wanderer we're just postulating on things we of course have no conclusive proof of, thus the postulating. It's fun to think about things you have no grasp of, because these are the things which force us to become more than we are, go further, think harder etc etc. It's just a catalyst for thought and creativity. Now whether or not there is any truth to the situation is irrelevant, as long as we enjoy it. I'm not demarcating you for your actions, but please don't walk into the middle of our party and start throwing feces at the waiters, capice? haha anyways, you, just like any other member is more than welcome to join us, but don't start a fight please. Oh yes also, I'm not going one way or another, but do you really think Darwinism is the simplest answer to how we came to be? It's pretty complicated, regardless. anyways, play nice all of you, otherwise the gloves are coming off.
Be well,
J
I'm not really sure about evolution, though there is definitely not enough proof out there for me to accept it ( as so many other scientists gingerly do ). I actually anticipate the day that Atlantis is finally discovered ( and there is a possibility that it has been from research that I've been doing, National Geographic will begin working with the researchers this summer ), just so it can rewrite history and make Darwin roll in his grave.
The simplest explanation, in my opinion, is that we were created by a Creator. Evolving from primordial ooze? No. That's ridiculous.
Rather than waste time speculating, why not meditate and work on AP techniques? Once you get to the point where you can get long, controlled APs, then perhaps you can visit the Akashic Records ( and more than one person ought to do this so claims can be validated ). The answers are all in there.
Im not sure what I think on evolution, except for that we already have great power,just not the knowledge to use it all. I think that whatever our true origins may be, it would be hard to gain any information on them unless at the "akashic library"
I think that the goverment knows whats going on with pretty much everything and that we have all been raised to believe in evolution and made to beleive AP isnt possible and there is no such things as aliens just because the goverment thinks its whats best.
I agree with no_leaf_clover on most of things he says as far as other life and the nibiruns (how ever its spelled)
I thought they found atlantis, or may have... They found this 311 mile city off the coast of japan that they think may have been atlantis.
-Aries
"Rather than waste time speculating, why not meditate and work on AP techniques?"
Because your realisations are not everybody elses. Its a big world out there, and I'm a firm believer that you get out what you put in. Would you have told darwin not to bother looking into this new evolution thing? Just because we are not the discoverers doesn't mean we cant think about these topics. Its good flexing of the mind, and its a good way for people to break standard thinking.
aho!
Rob
In light of 12/21/2012, I have been doing research on the many possible scenarios I have heard. From rising oceans to demon attacks, from polar reversals to dimensional plane collisions. I am trying to piece it all together and at one point, I felt I was getting close--that is, unitl came upon the Nibiruans. Are they the ones whom will take over this planet? Are they the fabled demon attack? It just doesn't make sense.