Most of what is going on in this reality can be observed by Obnosis - observation of the obvious, and requires no special powers or skills.
All it requires is an open mind, a willingness to look at some unpleasant facts, and throwing away or disregarding preconceptions.
It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions.
This thread is dedicated to Observation of the Obvious - what have we missed observing which could be valuable to us.
Please could we try to keep the thread on topic and keep from filling it with junk so that people won't read it and will be chased away from this forum :)
One obvious thing is that this is Hell on Earth (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com).
A definition of obnosis:
Knowledge by Observation, experiential knowledge, waking up and looking, learning by going to look, learning by doing, learning by watching others, as opposed to theoretical learning.
I have to drive 45 minutes to get to the nearest Popeye's Chicken. Hell on Earth? You're tellin me.
I've observed that some people appoint themselves as harbingers of ideas or movements, assuming the rest of us are too stupid to see the "truth"
Can't you guys leave this thread for even 2 minutes without letting us discuss it constructively?
I mean common, Thread Killer, put your weapon back in its holster! I'm not saying you're the enemy, just be nice, OK?
:)
Quote from: Thread Killer on May 22, 2011, 11:09:30
I've observed that some people appoint themselves as harbingers of ideas or movements, assuming the rest of us are too stupid to see the "truth"
Would you rather I point out that your obnosis isn't really an obnosis? I can do that, but I'd feel like a starved fish trying to sample the old, stale bait you like to cast out. Perhaps you could be more clear with the purpose of this thread? If it's to challenge your "Earth is hell" line, please state so. Otherwise I gave a perfectly acceptable obnosis of my own... Popeye's Chicken is rediculously far away yet they keep airing there commercials on my tv. Insignicant? Maybe. An observation that's obvious? Absolutely.
Ok, lets start. If the US can spend trillions of dollars (One source says $3 trillion (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200.html), another source with a running counter says $791,292,092,798 (http://costofwar.com/en)) invading Iraq to flush out Bin Laden for killing a its citizens (2752 victims who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center) could they not spend a few billion to invade other countries to feed them?
Taking a random sampling from the web "THE United Nations now estimates more than 180,000 people have died in Sudan's Darfur from hunger and disease in the past 18 months. (http://news.scotsman.com/sudan/Starvation-death-toll-up.2610588.jp)"
Huh?? That's 18,000 per month, each and every month!
And the US is a nation of Christians who say Love Each Other. Jesus' only commandment was to "love one another".
You say it is ridiculous, the US invading to help another country. That is because we live in a world of hate and fear, not in a world of Love. I see things differently. Love one another.
By the law of obnosis, using this one example alone, I can see that there is something seriously wrong on this planet. How seriously wrong? Warning bells and alarms, that's how wrong.
Non sequitur.
If Earth was hell, we'd see fire and brimstone, indiscriminate pain and suffering with no hope of peace or happiness for anyone. My life hasn't been fun and I sure as hell don't have a Pollyanna outlook, but even I can observe these things in other people and conclude that it's possible here. So it's not a biblical hell, nor is it any historical variation since they're depicted as proceding *this* physical existence. If Earth is hell, it would have to be a metaphorical hell and a metaphorical hell only. In that context, you'd have a valid case.
Quote from: Thread Killer on May 22, 2011, 11:09:30
I've observed that some people appoint themselves as harbingers of ideas or movements, assuming the rest of us are too stupid to see the "truth"
Yup.
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 22, 2011, 13:24:00
Ok, lets start. If the US can spend trillions of dollars (One source says $3 trillion (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200.html), another source with a running counter says $791,292,092,798 (http://costofwar.com/en)) invading Iraq to flush out Bin Laden for killing a its citizens (2752 victims who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center) could they not spend a few billion to invade other countries to feed them?
Taking a random sampling from the web "THE United Nations now estimates more than 180,000 people have died in Sudan's Darfur from hunger and disease in the past 18 months. (http://news.scotsman.com/sudan/Starvation-death-toll-up.2610588.jp)"
Huh?? That's 18,000 per month, each and every month!
And the US is a nation of Christians who say Love Each Other. Jesus' only commandment was to "love one another".
You say it is ridiculous, the US invading to help another country. That is because we live in a world of hate and fear, not in a world of Love. I see things differently. Love one another.
By the law of obnosis, using this one example alone, I can see that there is something seriously wrong on this planet. How seriously wrong? Warning bells and alarms, that's how wrong.
If we are indeed children of God (and God is all powerful, which how can he be not if he is God?) then this can't be hell, because God created it for us. So unless you believe in a nonloving God, this statement can't support itself.
I see every day people that help each other out of love, that do all kinds of sacrifices for what they believe is the greater good. That's one side of the coin, and it's the one I choose to focus on.
You said a mouthful- "It's how I see it" and as you know, "Ask and you shall receive". So yes, it's hell for you.
Think of reality as an onion - peel the layers and you will see a lot of other things besides what's on the surface. A portrait is not all darkness, because it cannot exist without darkness and the light, and the colors are light viewed from a specific point. So we all have a point of view from where we're standing.
If you choose to put your energy on the negative, this is the part that you make strong, and your reality.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 22, 2011, 13:42:36If we are indeed children of God (and God is all powerful, which how can he be not if he is God?)
Obnosis: Satan is in charge.
Obnosis: "Peel the layers, etc, portrait and painting" Besides the point. We're talking about serious issues.
Obnosis: "Put all your energy on the negative" : Misleading statement. Put it onto the negative and then fix it. You can't avoid the danger by putting your head into the sand.
Godsproxy wrote: "It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions."
Ok, my apologies, I'm knew to this realm, but have been entrigued on various levels for a number of years...
Godsproxy, anything you'd like to elaborate on above-mentioned quote, "between the lines"...?
As I've said, knew-comer here, just testing the waters... :lol:
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Quote from: Lady-E on May 22, 2011, 14:23:54
Godsproxy wrote: "It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions."
Ok, as soon as you see a post which ignores the
substance of my entire question and instead starts asking emotional questions such as "unless you believe in a nonloving God" etc,
alarm bells should go off in your head. Read back the reply, it quotes all the text from my message. His reply doesn't focus on my post, he asks emotional questions, tells me not to focus on the negative, etc. How can I not focus on the negative when this is a negative issue? Someone else was talking about Death...
CFTraveller, my question remains : Doesn't this point towards a highly troubled planet?:
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Ok, lets start. If the US can spend trillions of dollars (One source says $3 trillion, another source with a running counter says $791,292,092,798) invading Iraq to flush out Bin Laden for killing a its citizens (2752 victims who died in the attacks on the World Trade Center) could they not spend a few billion to invade other countries to feed them?
Why not give us some other examples of why this planet is troubled?
Your delusion, my reality and vice versa. What you think is delusional might be original thinking to me. Once people who thought the Earth was circular were thought to be delusional and locked up in lunatic asylums.
Now here is a clear attempt to manipulate via emotions.
The moderator did say he wouldn't tolerate personal attacks here :)
Quote from: Astral316 on May 22, 2011, 14:33:09
Delusional disorder
The following can indicate a delusion:
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No, it's a prime example of manipulating the reader by telling them the author is crazy.
How can I be crazy when I am just pointing to the facts, and asking for a
fair discussion?
Astral316, would you mind doing me a favor, and stop attacking me personally, and give me the benefit of the doubt, and discuss the issues in a rational and level headed fashion?
I've even provided reputable references to my Iraq post, does that make me
delusional?
So my hell belief seems different and unconventional, but who is to say that everyone else's heaven belief isn't
delusional? Everyone is entitled to their own world view.
My exact point - "delusional" - people see that word and they are swayed - emotionally - and do not look at the facts. Believe you me - people aren't that stupid, Astral316. ;)
Good luck
Quote from: Astral316 on May 22, 2011, 14:57:39
That's not a personal attack, it's education. Read up, open your mind to the possibility.
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Truth hurts, doesn't it? :) What is delusional about the facts and figures that I have quoted in the website? Are you trying to say that I am incorrect, in your excerpt?
Sigh.....So, once again, personal attacks aside, do you want to discuss the issue at hand?
Quote from: Astral316 on May 22, 2011, 15:17:02
Excerpt from your webpage:
Everything is beautiful in its own way
Like the starry summer night, or a snow covered winters day
And everybody's beautiful in their own way.
Under God's Heaven, the world's gonna find the way.
Good Ol' Ray Stevens
Love is in the air. Everywhere I look around.
Love is in the air. Every sight and every sound.
John Paul Young
I'm dating myself with those references. Oi! I guess it comes down to what you choose to focus on. Sort of a "birds of a feather..." deal.
P.S.,
Losing ones' virginity can have a profound effect on your attitudes.
My third post addressed the issue at hand. Feel free to respond to it in words anyone can comprehend *without* any logical fallacies. I won't hold my breath, though because:
Quotewithin the delusional system the logic is perverted
Example...
Your avatar message:
QuoteLove is all there is.
Your belief:
QuoteEarth is hell.
Astral 316: Emotional manipulation, no content to your messages yet.
Well, glad I didn't hold my breath. :lol:
right... this is complicated on so many levels...
first of all, I don't contextually subscribe to the commonplace ideas and/or conformities related to the concepts of heaven or hell, as such. I hate labelling myslef, but for the sake of simplicity, let's refer to me s "an atheist".
However, that does not exclude me from having views and thoughts, even concerns, regarding the concept of heaven / hell / the afterlife. Because I do do believe the after-life, in one form or another, is something each of us will ahev to deal with, regardless of our "spiritual" beliefs / philosophies / convictions.
Godsproxy, I have read numerous of your posts and visited your website.
In this regard, I wish to raise two issues:
1. Being an out-of-the-box thinker - let's say an enlightened inellectual, if I may - the context and reference you provide in support of your statements does make one think, and at the same time, if you read, think and contextualise beyonf your comfort zone, it does bear very potent, potential truth.
As I do not know know you personally, I cannot validate any of your statements as conclusive (there's my automatic journalistic "pounce" again, lol). However, being he cynic I am, for some reason your words seem to resonate with a little voice in the back of my head...
2. Emotional manipulation:
Well, is that not in the eye of the beholder...?!
With no professional background myself, I have been privvy to having gained a rather substantial amount of knwowledge, insight and experience in the psychiatrical field myself.
One thing that has always struck me, is this: If people don't quite understand something, if it falls out of their frame of refernce, they fear, reject, or label it.
I believe Godsproxy has his own very strong ground to stand on when it comes to his convictions and beliefs, and the enthusiasm with which he is attempting to publicise his message and make his knowledge accesible.
One thing I do conclusively agree with, and admit to, is that we are indeed pawns, in a strategic game being waged between good and evil.
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 22, 2011, 14:37:14
Ok, as soon as you see a post which ignores the substance of my entire question and instead starts asking emotional questions such as "unless you believe in a nonloving God" etc, alarm bells should go off in your head. Read back the reply, it quotes all the text from my message. His reply doesn't focus on my post, he asks emotional questions, tells me not to focus on the negative, etc. How can I not focus on the negative when this is a negative issue? Someone else was talking about Death...
CFTraveller, my question remains : Doesn't this point towards a highly troubled planet?:Why not give us some other examples of why this planet is troubled?
Well, you completely ignored what I was pointing out- that experience needs a point of view, and without more than one there can be no experience, and that you are simply focusing on the bad and ignoring the good, as if it didn't exist.
Are there negative things? Sure there are- there can be no negative without the positive and vice-versa.
I can give you examples of a troubled planet, and I can give you examples of goodness and love.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=937158
You are calling what you prefer to notice as 'obvious' and denying the existence of the good- so why are you then asking me to comment?
Lovely stuff - at last after nearly 2 pages of my begging, a post with some substance. Congrats. Yes, it is heartwarming to see the good deeds that do happen.
Father God can and does work on this planet - good things do happen - but he needs people to act through, people with kindness in their heart. There seem to be too few of these people around - we are badly outnumbered.
Now, compare the
magnitude of the crisis in Iraq, not to mention the uncaring attitude we see towards world poverty, with the examples you quoted - can you see evil badly outweighs good on this planet by magnitudes?
Its not just a crisis its an abomination.
How often do you see the war in Iraq on the news... and the Good Deeds are relegated to the tail section of the news.
Do you know that in these posts I am trying to
do something about it. What are
you doing to help?
So I rest my case. This is a very troubled planet, don't you see?
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 22, 2011, 20:33:52
I can give you examples of a troubled planet, and I can give you examples of goodness and love.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=937158
Astral...Delusional Lol for what pointing out the problems in the world...they don't go away by ignoring them generating awareness solves these problems, and becuase you know how the various thought processes generate :wink: you understand that generating awareness in these pacific fields donot regenerate these problems...
as ya know now it's not the same as developing one's mind as in ya point out the negatives and it manifests itself in some areas of the mind...it does'nt work like that with this excrement man
Bi-polar...Schizophrenia do you know why this illness exist or better still do you know how it generates, by studying hermetics and caring at the same time you learn to understand why these so called illnesses exist in the first place as they have abilities more so in areas of the minds abilities than others have it just needs to be cleaned up...as ya user names states as in Astral one would assume that you are up to date with what is happening in the higher palins/realms regarding these areas
...ohhh my fault it only says Astral i got confused my mistake :wink:
just pulling ya leg, no harm man :-D
Quote from: Lady-E on May 22, 2011, 16:15:32
One thing that has always struck me, is this: If people don't quite understand something, if it falls out of their frame of refernce, they fear, reject, or label it
yes totally agree some of the these users on this site are the supreme masters of masters in these fields...
in their defence their are those that like to fish for information mastering in these fields as i mentioned above give you the abilities to extract more information so as to learn
another thing these users like to think is that if they ignore these issues that effect our lifes that are in our faces as in poverty war and what not that it will go away
with their little knowledge of the world/s working/s they don't understand that the world does not work like that... in SOME AREAS OF THE MIND where if and only if you have the abilities, you tell yaself ya can do it/something it eventually happens...it's one of Gods little tricks to get ya in the position of involved/addiction of the mind until ya want more then ya learn that ya have to care about others in order to move forward...
in their defence though this world/s system/s mother nature etc requires nergy energy that is developed by emotions from fear/devastated/trauma and the like (war/poverty) obviously the emotions we don't like for these people is where they experience hell is on earth...caring gives you the ability to notice that what one can/does go through being liveing the experinece of hell on earth...
we have a new way to duplicate/reproduce this energy without those emotions we don't like e can produce this/all energy required tommorow if required but the system in place that constructs/scripts these emotions is of yet to change we know what and how to do it we have proven this time and time again...it's just that it needs many people to be of consent to this so as it is not controlling people minds BY HUMAN as this is the illest practise along with peadophila on the planet
we have away soon that will enable us to do this with many public people included in a projection type manner as they will soon see how the system has been working and how it will be working these people included will be from all back grounds murders bank robbers to the highest of economists to those in extreme poverty many dislike this but it's not theirs to decide...except a few people no-one guilty of anything at all
good luck
love all
I jokingly PM'd Ether2 and said we're on the same page, he said no same book. My info corroborates his, with less evil in the spirit realm there is more place for good things to happen in this earth realm. My point is expect good things but don't expect them to fall into your lap :)
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 23, 2011, 06:16:40
My point is expect good things but don't expect them to fall into your lap :)
see
this is what he has been teaching all along, people are so blind...
in others defence i know people understand this, but they don't understand how all things manifest and or don't manifest the main contributor to all the flake been thrown around...
ya's have ya little thing where ya think positive towards gaining ya minds abilities, well if ya think of all the negatives in the world and do ya bit, ya manifest all the positives of the minds abilities, all the abilities one acquires thats where the abilities are by not ignoring the negatives...
that does'nt mean balance by any means as balance is in between negative and positive which is nothing """not careng""" as careing is a positive thing and positive is wisdom gained by addresing not ignoring the negatives is where ya gain ya minds abilities the prime excrement...
now what someone can say is their are energy issues so whats the point when the system at the moment is designed to generate emotions we don't like fear/devastated/trauma and the like...by careing for all's best interest gives you the abilities to minipulate the system/s and that is the world/s sytem/s
i could'nt of erradicated these peadophilies actions without going balls and all by addresing the negatives which gave me the abilities, don't have to tell ya what sort of site ya on, ya can use ya imagination as to what i have to do to keep these sickos from doing as they did...some chose to leave this world...SO what...they did'nt have to their choice not mine :wink:
good luck
love all
This is all just politics. More boring than church.
Evil thrives on fear... it actually sucks it up like a vampire ....
I can't even begin to imagine what pedophiles get up to. See, ignorance breeds more fear breeds more trouble and torment.
I don't know why people here don't just acknowledge nice and cheerily who their
real lord and master is?
Quote from: ether2 on May 23, 2011, 08:47:51
now what someone can say is their are energy issues so whats the point when the system at the moment is designed to generate emotions we don't like fear/devastated/trauma and the like...
I'm tired of preaching all doom and gloom. Its only that way if ya people want it that way, and continue in your unloving ways.
OK, if you're even half aware of the true nature of Spirit, you will know that this world is a farce.
The next world, folks, assuming we get out of jail free, is the most incredible existence you could ever imagine.
This is an idea for entertainment: Imagine taking any 3d animated movie, or any movie, and playing any character in it... being vaguely aware you are in a movie, but it is real life... you get to make all the moves, you get to be the actual hero or villain. This was just one of my ideas, for entertainment, in the new world.
To achieve this, Father God just allows you to be incarnated into a virtual world designed around any of today's blockbuster movies.
Its just like an Astral dream world, but for real. And the LOVE.... And the joy.... and the excitement..... the innocence... the not-so-innocence ;) ..... but my favorite has got to be.... the eternal soul mate.
The new world takes the best this one has to offer.... actually this world is where all life started, and where all life has nearly ended .... but it doesn't have to.... we take all the good and throw away the bad, we keep all the players, and we move on to greater heights.
Oh Love!!!!
Hi All,
I like the viewpoint of hell on earth. This can be made by yourself and like minded people with respect to what you would like this earthly existence to be. To actually believe its hell is a point of misconception. Based on your viewpoint the general conception I read is bad things have prominence over good. Greed, if this alone could be totally eliminated would tie up so many negative points already made. All religious deities would embrace, all the richest nations would exude compassion, I need not say more. There does exist in most people a compassion that's latent. The waiting games afoot. Unfortunately the powers in control are full of greed, they supress anything where they lose out. Cancer cures, be it natural or a machine have been supressed by the pill sellers as have cures for simple things like stomach ulcers. Clean power generation also. The thing I find most irritating is that mankind generally has accepted these ways and is most certainly not ready for enlightenment. Some base issues need resolution and until that day we live in our own self generated hell.
interesting thread.
Hi Szaxx,
Accepted these ways: That's correct, people seem content to live their lives, racing around on highways, not knowing or caring that the majority of people on this planet are suffering. Just because they put their heads in the sand, doesn't excuse them one little bit.
we live in our own self generated hell.: Yes, this could be heaven or this could be hell. Unfortunately, most people only realize it
really is hell when it is too late, for example, when their medical insurance runs out after an accident and they are left abandoned and destitute by their own families and children.
I said to myself, I'm going to stop accepting this &^%$ and
do something about it.
This world needs more people who think like you and me, Szaxx.
Love always and forever.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 23, 2011, 16:56:52
The thing I find most irritating is that mankind generally has accepted these ways and is most certainly not ready for enlightenment. Some base issues need resolution and until that day we live in our own self generated hell.
Quotesaid to myself, I'm going to stop accepting this &^%$ and do something about it.
So other than typing in an internet forum, what are you doing about it? You haven't proposed anything.
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2011, 12:09:13
So other than typing in an internet forum, what are you doing about it? You haven't proposed anything.
check what we got going on, i even ask GodsProxy for some input for inspiration for me to continue at a new higher level :-)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_2012_and_the_transition_of_the_ages/whats_happening_towards_2012_our_new_world-t34124.0.html;msg282439;boardseen#new
good luck
love all
I'm confused... how exactly does that help? O_o
That just looks like more talking on a forum. What actions are taking place? Not what you want to see take place, but are actually doing to make things better now.
Quote from: Xanth on May 24, 2011, 13:41:57
I'm confused... how exactly does that help? O_o
if ya referring to my post it ummm shows people in bad postions in life that their is more to life than liveing poorly...
we can keep them occupied for hours and hours with their minds abilities as ya know these people are big energy producers being in devastated/trauma/fear and what not areas...equal energy...
basically more powerful than most (areas) hence more mind abilities and they are cheap to maintain :wink:
show then they are worth alot to the world, they are learning what even the most highly educated in first world countries cannot (YET), they have abilities others don't...
this is what they get for their emotional roller coaster ride for supplying energy so as you and i can live...as ya know about the energy thing they got the abilities so why not...:wink:
good luck
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 24, 2011, 14:20:33
if ya referring to my post it ummm shows people in bad postions in life that their is more to life than liveing poorly...
we can keep them occupied for hours and hours with their minds abilities as ya know these people are big energy producers being in devastated/trauma/fear and what not areas...equal energy...
basically more powerful than most (areas) hence more mind abilities and they are cheap to maintain :wink:
show then they are worth alot to the world, they are learning what even the most highly educated in first world countries cannot (YET), they have abilities others don't...
this is what they get for their emotional roller coaster ride for supplying energy so as you and i can live...as ya know about the energy thing they got the abilities so why not...:wink:
good luck
love all
You didn't answer the question.
How exactly does that help?
Maybe they believe that talking to each other makes a change in the world. Like some people believe that praying helps. :-D
I can explain clearly what Ether is saying. A guy sitting in a prison cell for a sentence - say for a non-violent crime, who has repented - clearly a good guy - he is really suffering there. His energy could be put to much better use through extensive experimentation on the Astral. Then he is making up for the harm he caused, and doing good in the world. He is therefore helping others not enter the same destructive cycle. He is doing tremendous good. You people do acknowledge that Astral travel is real, right? I certainly do. What a fantastic idea - I kinda had it in the back of my mind but it never surfaced. Wow, getting these people to participate in this way - turning their negative thoughts and emotions into hope and helping their fellow man. Wow!
I also happen to know a little secret - here it is out the bag - there is a LOT more activity on the Astral than the casual observer thinks. I have witnessed someone going onto the Astral right next to me (I can occasionally see on the Astral while concious.)
Thus, Ether - being of Majesty, Honor, Love and Light. Do you have any conception of what an opportunity like this would mean to a prisoner? Giving him hope, and hope for eternity?
Countless possibilities. Why not validate on the Astral?
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 24, 2011, 12:09:13
So other than typing in an internet forum, what are you doing about it? You haven't proposed anything.
God's Proxy and ether2. Are we the same person?
Quote from: Xanth on May 24, 2011, 15:30:47
You didn't answer the question.
How exactly does that help?
come on man you can put 2 and 2 together, gives hope tooo...
being CIA you know how theirs like a level (ladder) of what can be done at a height from say levitation then their is teleportation i don't have to tell ya how much money Govs are spending to get this info and then after teleportation their is *****
soon i'm allowed consent by those above allowed to show how this planet does it's thing (turn) (many know this) we will see the energy required to do this which i might add some/all? of it comes from human 8-)
so thinking cap required it's all a energy thing and energy was used to blah blah blah, ya know what i'm say'n?, if i say it some will think i'm wacko :wink:
read it again (2012 topic) if ya good ya will put 2 and 2 together
good luck
love all
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 25, 2011, 01:15:04
thats hardly any form of criticism, i expect flake from you
good luck
love all
I think ether2 and Godsproxy stand alone. I must say, I applaud this site for being tolerant of the moronic ideas you two have because on Astral Viewers, the two of you would have been ridiculed and annihilated by now.
There you go, there's your flak from me because SomeRandom can't be bothered with the two of you any more. On AVers you would have been a lost cause. :roll:
Don't be mistaken, they *are* lost causes... sort of like an old lady with dementia in a retirement home. She'll rattle on and on about god knows what, contradict herself to a rediculous degree, claim she's Cleopatra reincarnated, etc. Best thing you can do is nod your head and go "Uh huh, uh huh, yea, really? uh huh" until the sedative you slipped in her afternoon tea kicks in.
LMAO! This is the most honest and constructive post in this thread! ^^
:lol:
I'm male and GP signs their name as Neil on the brief PM's we have had
Hey Summerlander, why have you not give'n me a big warm fuzzy welcome on AVers :-D
good luck
love all
I'll tell you why I have not given you a warm welcome in AVers. Because there was an altercation between me and one of the Admins. Members displayed strong views for and against both sides. Me and him had been friends for some time and I hope that one day we may be able to rekindle our friendship. I think we let something stupid get blown out of proportion. In the end, the Site Owner banned me as he felt I was too much. It's a matter of opinion, really. Perhaps he was right for banning me at that time as I played my part in the conflict that ensued. In hindsight, it was a great misunderstanding (or at least I'd like to think so). I have no regrets though. I put it down to experience and perhaps the AVers staff may give me the opportunity for reconciliation in the future...or perhaps not.
So there you have it. That's why I have not giving you any sort of welcome on AVers. Have fun mocking me on that respect if that gives you a sense of retribution. 8-)
Quote from: Summerlander on May 25, 2011, 11:22:20
I'll tell you why I have not given you a warm welcome in AVers. Because there was an altercation between me and one of the Admins. Members displayed strong views for and against both sides. Me and him had been friends for some time and I hope that one day we may be able to rekindle our friendship. I think we let something stupid get blown out of proportion. In the end, the Site Owner banned me as he felt I was too much. It's a matter of opinion, really. Perhaps he was right for banning me at that time as I played my part in the conflict that ensued. In hindsight, it was a great misunderstanding (or at least I'd like to think so). I have no regrets though. I put it down to experience and perhaps the AVers staff may give me the opportunity for reconciliation in the future...or perhaps not.
So there you have it. That's why I have not giving you any sort of welcome on AVers. Have fun mocking me on that respect if that gives you a sense of retribution. 8-)
honesty hay... we see the lighter side of SL, did'nt think it was their :-P
i wont mock ya man, i only like mocking ya because ya got ya back up
that way ya don't get all teary on us :-D
good luck
love all :wink:
"Teary"? Who's getting teary? Unless you think what we have been talking about is cause to be teary. I didn't know you had a sentimental side, ether2. This is surprising seen as most of your posts are about you telling everyone how much you are right and everyone is wrong. Hmmm...interesting. :-D
Joke
good luck
love all
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 24, 2011, 16:45:30
Countless possibilities. Why not validate on the Astral?
Validating in the astral is not an action either, especially when considering how subjective it can be. The astral is not separate from the physical. When you want something to take place in the physical, you can't rely on the astral alone. You have to work also from the physical. You can tell more about a person's astral abilities by how they handle themselves physically. People who rely on the astral for important matters don't accomplish much physically. A lot of talk, maybe some good stories, but no action or change.
You people (Ether and a few other conscious posters, excepted) are all so nasty and hostile. I'll take Love any day, thank you.
Its lovely to feel Love inside your heart and your soul. That's when you know there is hope for you in the future because you got Spiritual Warriors like myself and Ether fighting for your souls. Sorry, I don't feel like posting intelligently today. A few glasses of wine and a nice meal in my tummy :) :)
Love you all,
GP
Hi Stookie, The day you see physical proof will be the day the defenses of this trap have been defeated and we have conclusively won.
Until then, please be advised that logical "proof" on the level of this reality is against the Laws of the Trap.
"Astral" is reality and "reality" is a step-down transformer for a spirit to soften him up to make him into a PME (programmed machine entity, see The Pilot's Super Scientology as a reference), or more likely, to give you a context to dream about while you're hallucinating in T. "T" is the popular acronym for torture BTW.
DT = Death Torture. Lovely planet this is.
I"m surprised this forum puts up with all the whiners who reply to my posts (Stookie, this excludes you BTW, you're giving valuable criticism), they're clearly here to obscure the truth or promote Ether and myself, I'm still trying to make up my mind which :)
Sorry to speak so frankly and openly, must be the wine .... ;)
Quote from: Stookie_ on May 25, 2011, 12:07:04
some good stories, but no action or change.
How convenient for you... *sigh*
The reason no-one can see the truth is because it is staring at you, right in front of your eyes.
You don't question it because that's the way it has been, and that's the way it will always be. We just cannot conceive of any other way to live, because frankly, we don't have a context for it.
If you question the most basic, basic, basic things, throw away your preconceptions, and stop agreeing with the masses, then you have no choice but to arrive at the same conclusions.
This is the only proof possible, a sense of knowingness based on the facts at hand.
I'm asking you all to give this reality a trial-by-jury, a jury that hasn't been prejudiced. You might be surprised at the conclusions you come to.
When you ask what actions I am taking, I am raising awareness. I have also fought spiritual battles but you can't get away from it: in the end, the people here have to take responsibility for their own mess and sort it out on the physical. If you're asking for objective proof in a death trap, sorry, people who set up a death trap don't set it up so it can be defeated that easily. Its a law that filters down from the higher planes: anything supernatural you witness firsthand can only be fact for yourself and you alone; it will naturally have "logical" explanations when you are on the "plate". Frustrating but true.
Who needs proof?
If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.
Again... how convenient.
QuoteWhen you ask what actions I am taking, I am raising awareness.
Raising awareness is just talking. You raise money and make TV commercials and youtube speeches and nothing changes. It's politics and propaganda. It reminds me of Pat Robertson. It's your personal politics, with LOVE printed on the top, and you're expecting everyone else to go along with the propaganda. No real action towards any goals. You say others aren't contributing anything worth while, but read back through all your posts here and try to find some content that others can work with. All I basically see is "love". I love that guy in Africa who is starving. He's still hungry.
You hit the nail on the head, Stookie. :-D
QuoteYou say others aren't contributing anything worth while,
This struck me funny, because he can't possibly know what
any of us contribute to our world, but it didn't stop him from saying it.
So why don't you own up? I've told you what I'm doing, and why I am doing it. Worthy cause, if its true? You would do the same if you were in my shoes.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 26, 2011, 11:42:58
This struck me funny, because he can't possibly know what any of us contribute to our world, but it didn't stop him from saying it.
I know I've been begging from the start, but could we possibly discuss the content of what I am posting instead of why or whether I should be posting here? :)
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 12:07:42
So why don't you own up? I've told you what I'm doing, and why I am doing it. Worthy cause, if its true? You would do the same if you were in my shoes.
Some people don't feel the need to brag about good deeds because then they become no more than a vehicle for ego stroking. But you want proof? Why don't you do what you expect us to do... take it on faith.
Astral316: Not relevant whether you do good deeds or not. Here is the point:
If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.
These and other points of obnosis are under discussion, not whether you do good deeds or not.
The funniest thing is, I post using only logic, compassion and love. Yes love. Want me to say it a hundred times? Not for you, but for people who I love. You "guys" counter-posting using emotional language, accusations, etc, dripping with fear and loathing.
I carefully back everything I have up with logic. What's actually got your guys goat up? I mean I seem to be missing something here.
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 12:21:19
If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.
And it can't be verified. So what? Deadlock. There's nothing to talk about here. Widespread poverty and violence doesn't make this world the literal/biblical hell which is described to be very different from this reality. I didn't prove you wrong, your buddy Logic did.
And your defensive/attacking style proved me right, in every case. Nothing to talk about? Who says? I'm raising some issues to talk about.
Your logic chain is once again flawed. You're playing russian roulette with your soul if you continue on in this line of logic.
Because you're hostile towards me, doesn't make the points I'm raising, invalid.
You must stop reacting in an emotional manner to my posts, and react to the content of the posts instead.
Ok, so lets carry on, since in a weird way, I'm getting through to you. You agreed 100% with my statement. There is a point after this. It is simply, we are in year 2011, I'm posting to a bunch of advanced astral travelers. We can't verify where we go, so yes, our immortal souls are at risk.
So what? Well, lets stop arguing, put our differences aside, and start again.
So what, you don't know where you go when you die? I argue, that is the formula for knowing when you're in a death trap = state of emergency. So what? Lets put our differences aside and save our asses. So what? Well, I've proven my point already due to the sustained interest in my posts. So what? Well, lets start saving our asses, that's what. Think I know everything? Think again. So what? I'm trying to save our asses, thats what. So what? Because I like life. Carry on? :)
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 12:33:04
And it can't be verified. So what? Deadlock. There's nothing to talk about here. Widespread poverty and violence doesn't make this world the literal/biblical hell which is described to be very different from this reality. I didn't prove you wrong, your buddy Logic did.
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 12:58:48We can't verify where we go, so yes, our immortal souls are at risk.
That's a reason why we train to control our minds/emotions, meditate, and experience the spirit world through projection. If I can control where I end up, I'm not worried. If I can't and we're all destined for hell, then I guess we're all destined for hell... why worry about something you can't change? If being a good person and having above average mind control doesn't buy me a decent afterlife, nothing will. I'll never adopt your beliefs though, because in the likelihood that they're not true I don't wish to needlessly taint my post-death experience with negative thoughts of Satan and demons. So can you see how your information, your "truth" doesn't affect me or anyone else that practices OBE?
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 12:21:19
If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.
Well, it can't be refuted but it can be disputed on the grounds that there is no proof of an afterlife whatsoever let alone proof of real hells populated by sentient demons exist.
Besides, I guess I'm not taking a big risk with my soul and neither is anyone because we all know where we are going...the ground where the worms live... :-D
You on the other hand are taking a big risk with your state of mind by being fearful of demons. :roll:
Yes, you make some interesting points. Very, very usual, standard, run of the mill, thought processes. Very modern and hip. So thought one of us , so thought us all, including myself.
I beg to disagree with you on some key points. Those are the points of Life or death.
Even as controlled as you are, you still don't know for sure where you going where you die.
You hop skip and jump and evade each of my most critical points.
QuoteIf I can't and we're all destined for hell, then I guess we're all destined for hell... why worry about something you can't change?
Who says you can't change it? Did you remove the emotional part out of "hell" before you replied? Did you carefully weigh up each word you wrote, to influence people emotionally not to consider my most critical points? I disagree whole heartedly with you. If I am destined for hell, I surely intend to change it!! My goodness, what were you thinking when you typed that ??? "why worry about something you can't change? " - Nope. Not a good idea, very common method of thinking on this planet. Usually fatally flawed.
"I can't do anything about world hunger." - fatally flawed.
Thus, and similarly, "I can't do anything about going to hell" - fatally flawed.
"They fear he brought down a curse" - you think by thinking about it you're going to create it. Ha ha. Inference is I sent you there. Nice subtle one.
Summarizes the apathy we are experiencing on this planet.
A message of love, hope and lets work together! ;)
So, we're getting to the 6-page dead lock marker where lock-me-down is a comin', sooner rather than later.
I get one or two hits on my site after my post, when an Astral316 posts, then the hits subside. Its cat and mouse people! - We've already gone through ALL this stuff. Throw away your emotional responses and use logic only. We're all in a bad way. Now 316 will reply and then agreement shifts back to him. Why do you think they keep on responding?
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 13:16:08
That's a reason why we train to control our minds/emotions, meditate, and experience the spirit world through projection. If I can control where I end up, I'm not worried. If I can't and we're all destined for hell, then I guess we're all destined for hell... why worry about something you can't change? If being a good person and having above average mind control doesn't buy me a decent afterlife, nothing will. I'll never adopt your beliefs though, because in the likelihood that they're not true I don't wish to needlessly taint my post-death experience with negative thoughts of Satan and demons. So can you see how your information, your "truth" doesn't affect me or anyone else that practices OBE?
QuoteEven as controlled as you are, you still don't know for sure where you going where you die.
I just told you...the ground...food for worms if you are not cremated.
Forget the emotional manipulation garbage please. It's not needed... free thinkers will come to their own conclusions. You don't need to play guesswork with my intentions.
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 13:38:54Who says you can't change it?
Note the qualifier... *if* I can't avoid a torturous afterlife by being a good person or controlling my mind, what will allow me to? Humor me, please.
Emotional manipulation garbage... sorry dude, that's your specialty. "How to, etc": Yeah right, like you're interested in my response.
Just more
thread filler ,
thread killer.
You're right on one point: People will make up their own minds.
People: They are intentionally filling these threads up with garbage. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Don't bother about anything written below the four dots written below. Look at all the evidence before. Look at the countless posts attacking me. Look at my logical and level headed replies. Look at the way they respond to every point.
They have lost this argument way back.
....
Ok, only kidding. But seriously, they are just killing this thread. Doing a good job. Hope this reaches someone's ears who wants to live.
....
You only got this chance through the barest, barest, improbability gap of remotely infinite chance that someone would think these thoughts in this day and age... they are
very uncommon thoughts.... and its the truth.... we're all in a matter/spirit trap in a declining spiral where you will try to 'hide'... then down the scale to 'can't hide'.... it gets nasty... see advanced spiritual thinkers like Geoffrey Filbert's tone scale. BTW, I'm not the only nut on this planet who knows the truth. Others do to.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 13:51:41
Note the qualifier... *if* I can't avoid a torturous afterlife by being a good person or controlling my mind, what will allow me to? Humor me, please.
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 14:11:44Yeah right, like you're interested in my response.
Actually, I am... believe it or not. An interest of mine is understanding all perspectives no matter how ridiculous they are compared to my own. But I don't need to introduce my beliefs in this thread, just common logic. When someone tells me, "You're going to hell but you can change it." I'm going to ask, "Okay, how?" You beg us to keep this thread on topic, it doesn't get more on topic. So... your answer?
Godsproxy, if you believe you will go to hell then that's exactly what will happen. And this is an observation of the obvious. there you go, it's on topic now. :evil:
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 12:10:56
I know I've been begging from the start, but could we possibly discuss the content of what I am posting instead of why or whether I should be posting here? :)
That's what I've been trying to figure out. Before I decide to post (or stop posting) in this thread again, could you please summarize what the subject of this thread is? I really don't know. I keep looking for the content and can't find it.
Same here. I'm lost. I'm baffled. But I suspect it's the same thing again...Earth is hell and when you die you go to a another hell worse than this one unless you have Godsproxy's and ether2's knowledge. :roll:
Godsproxy and ether2, has it ever occurred to you to look at the town you live in from above rather than driving through it with a map and no destination?
Just when you think you know something, consider other perspectives...
Yea, I keep posting in this thread trying to extract some sort of useful knowledge from it... wouldn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater ya know? Though the way he dances around logical questions that clearly back him into a corner... I think it's more a case of throwing the turd out with the toilet.
:lol: ^^^
Now that is entertaining!
Are we the sort of tribe that needs an outsider or a victim,
I mean if you don't agree with it why post in a thread they started
I have seen lots of near arguments over the last two weeks and really its embarrassing
we should be bigger than this and more tolerant
:|
:NoY:
Quote from: NoY on May 26, 2011, 16:14:04
Are we the sort of tribe that needs an outsider or a victim,
I mean if you don't agree with it why post in a thread they started
I have seen lots of near arguments over the last two weeks and really its embarrassing
we should be bigger than this and more tolerant
:|
:NoY:
I agree with you Nodes, but I still want to know what their proposed solution is- what can we do to avoid this hell?
Yes but I believe people should be confronted about the way they come across. sometimes it's the only way they learn. It let's them know that perhaps they should change their approach. If they still don't take heed of the feedback then we should treat them with contempt.
I'm all for being the picture perfect pacifist... but when someone comes on here promoting beliefs that inspire fear they deserve to be questioned. Who knows what naive kid will read his posts, see a bunch of comments collaborating his ideas and take them as fact? False prophets should be exposed, simple as that.
@ Noy
Best post on this one.
Nice to read an enlightened comment.
Keep it up and the world is saved, if the rest dont mind.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 18:17:24
I'm all for being the picture perfect pacifist... but when someone comes on here promoting beliefs that inspire fear they deserve to be questioned. Who knows what naive kid will read his posts, see a bunch of comments collaborating his ideas and take them as fact? False prophets should be exposed, simple as that.
I believe in that too. In fact I don't think it's constructive at all to tiptoe around condescending people. Not constructive for us and not constructive for them either. They need to be exposed and find a thing called empathy rather than having their 'it's my view and no-one else's' attitude.
I believe it is the opposite of enlightening to just pretend their behaviour or beliefs are ok...ESPECIALLY when they incite fear (the whole demons thing) or promote offensive and discriminating beliefs about homosexuality...it's dangerous.
^ Yup. People think enlightenment and think extreme pacifism... they act "enlightened", so they're automatically "enlightened." Buddha taught the middle way... and in this case I think we're doing a good job of that. We aren't sitting on our hands but we aren't straight bashing this guy either. I just want a few simple answers to a few simple questions. How that makes me intolerant I'm not really sure.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 19:16:57
We aren't sitting on our hands but we aren't straight bashing this guy either. I just want a few simple answers to a few simple questions. How that makes me intolerant I'm not really sure.
You wrote earlier:
QuoteI think it's more a case of throwing the turd out with the toilet.
How this doesn't make you intolerant, I don't know.
Look, I don't care about being backed into a corner. I'd like nothing more than to be proved incorrect, but that hasn't been done yet. I'm just trying to get some simple facts across.
I wrote in the beginning of this thread (anyone could easily go and have a look) exactly what I wanted to discuss:
Quote
Most of what is going on in this reality can be observed by Obnosis - observation of the obvious, and requires no special powers or skills.
All it requires is an open mind, a willingness to look at some unpleasant facts, and throwing away or disregarding preconceptions.
It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions.
This thread is dedicated to Observation of the Obvious - what have we missed observing which could be valuable to us.
Please could we try to keep the thread on topic and keep from filling it with junk so that people won't read it and will be chased away from this forum
One obvious thing is that this is Hell on Earth.
A definition of obnosis:
Knowledge by Observation, experiential knowledge, waking up and looking, learning by going to look, learning by doing, learning by watching others, as opposed to theoretical learning.
@Stookie: Its not through evasion that I have not been able to actually discuss the topic. It is through the impolite behavior of certain members on this board who spoil it for everyone (sounds like school doesn't it?)
Astral316 immediately ignored my polite request to keep the thread on topic, and opened with this clincher:
Quote
"I have to drive 45 minutes to get to the nearest Popeye's Chicken. Hell on Earth? You're tellin me."
Sounds like a joke, but it set the tone for the ridicule which was to follow.
Astral316 took the lead with derisive comments, but after being confronted head on about them, and having some of his derisive questions answered, he had no choice but to pretend to ask intelligent questions. He then took the role of defender of innocent young kids as a cover to justify his blatantly impolite and hostile posts.
Stookie_ in the meantime had forgotten what I had posted as the topic (see above). Since you have to wade through derisive comments, it is impossible to have a sane discussion in this topic.
A few brave posters (names omitted, we know who they are), said basically, look guys, what is going on here? Why all the bullying?
Astral316, instead of researching and addressing the topic, took the time to post a full page of psychiatric text to prove I am deluded.
People with valid comments are not posting here because of the following posters who are ridiculing not having a serious discussion:
Xanth
Summerlander
SomeRandom
Astral316
Thread Killer
The majority of the replies (6 pages and counting) have been from the above hostile posters.
I wish to discuss this topic rationally not in a defensive fashion. I've already proven beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt, that I have a valid point, and a resoundingly interesting and relevant one, judging by the responses.
Anyone wishing to discuss this in a level headed way email me at godsproxy at gmail dot com.
My answer is: I'm proving to you logically that you're in a death trap. Then I'm begging and pleading for your help to help us help us all to make sure we're going to get out of it. Then I'm trying to point out to you, that the conditions on this planet should make us suspicious, of the fact that we're in a death trap. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can put forward the proof I have. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can get you onto the same page as I am. Then I'm wanting to share with you everything I've learned so far, so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel, you can validate what I know and then help us from there.
Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.
Does that answer your question? How much more clearly can I answer it?
Rather say death trap than hell. It makes more sense in the context of the readership of this forum.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 14:21:11
Actually, I am... believe it or not. An interest of mine is understanding all perspectives no matter how ridiculous they are compared to my own. But I don't need to introduce my beliefs in this thread, just common logic. When someone tells me, "You're going to hell but you can change it." I'm going to ask, "Okay, how?" You beg us to keep this thread on topic, it doesn't get more on topic. So... your answer?
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The body is a theta (spirit) trap to end all theta traps.
L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, 1952.
Now, don't throw the baby out with the baby water. Don't go and join Scientology. I am not a scientologist (tm). Do I really have to make these points over and over again? Don't let emotional responses and black PR ruin our chances. Scientology (tm) was suppressed and killed a long time ago, estimated 1984, ref David Miscavige. No need to comment on how insane we all believe Scn is, that's besides the point. The point is lets put aside our differences and see what each other can contribute to helping us.
I'm re-posting this, because it is important, and people tend to only read the material on a new pageQuoteMy answer is: I'm proving to you logically that you're in a death trap. Then I'm begging and pleading for your help to help us help us all to make sure we're going to get out of it. Then I'm trying to point out to you, that the conditions on this planet should make us suspicious, of the fact that we're in a death trap. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can put forward the proof I have. Then I'm trying to get you to ask intelligent questions so that I can get you onto the same page as I am. Then I'm wanting to share with you everything I've learned so far, so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel, you can validate what I know and then help us from there.
Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.
Does that answer your question? How much more clearly can I answer it?
Rather say death trap than hell. It makes more sense in the context of the readership of this forum.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 14:21:11
Actually, I am... believe it or not. An interest of mine is understanding all perspectives no matter how ridiculous they are compared to my own. But I don't need to introduce my beliefs in this thread, just common logic. When someone tells me, "You're going to hell but you can change it." I'm going to ask, "Okay, how?" You beg us to keep this thread on topic, it doesn't get more on topic. So... your answer?
Thanks for the synopsis... but try to think beyond your own subjectivity. Not everyone who opposes your stance is a villain. Also please don't take my light hearted metaphors seriously, I don't think you're a turd. :wink:
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 20:02:04
Now, I am trying to tell you, that I need help in answering the question "how do we get out of a death trap?" I don't have the answers. I need your help.
That's easy... death!
Sorry, too late, that is when your chances are over, and you find out for sure. Note:
death trap. When you die, you may or may not be granted another chance. Religions have noted the same point. Incarne is your only chance.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 26, 2011, 20:31:48
That's easy... death!
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 26, 2011, 20:34:00
Sorry, too late, that is when your chances are over, and you find out for sure.
Okay so if you don't have the answers then it's fair to say you don't have the incorrect answers, yes? So I revert back to mind/emotion/desire control and being an overall good human being to your fellow man. I don't think it has to be more complex than that. What are the other possibilities? I mean besides excepting "prophet xyz" as our lord and savior.
BTW... I edited out the delusional disorder quotes as I agree, in retrospect, that they aren't in good taste.
Hey God's Proxy,
I apologise. I'm sorry if you feel I've been hostile. I guess I'm amused at your earnestness. Another guess is you're under twenty five. I used to feel the type of certainty with which you conduct yourself. My age has taken that away. Your voracity impresses me. In the face of overwhelming opposition, you persist. At my age though, it's just an exercise in ego. That's cool. Just don't be too disappointed when people don't see it your way. It's hearts and minds, G.P., hearts and minds.
Shine On, You Crazy Diamond,
-Jim-
Quote from: Summerlander on May 26, 2011, 15:54:02
Same here. I'm lost. I'm baffled. But I suspect it's the same thing again...Earth is hell and when you die you go to a another hell worse than this one unless you have Godsproxy's and ether2's knowledge. :roll:
Godsproxy and ether2, has it ever occurred to you to look at the town you live in from above rather than driving through it with a map and no destination?
Just when you think you know something, consider other perspectives...
hay that is a really nice avatar ya got their :wink:...
for the record i do not believe in a hell in after life and dont not know where ya go that assumption of me from...
i believe/know that life is all scripted look at Nostradamus predicting world towers collapse, it's scripted from centuries ago...
theirs plenty of speculation about Bush flying OBL family out of USA that day...
thats it was all to do with producing fear...
ya heard OBL was trained by USA military...
the discretion of what air craft was used...
the unexplained puffs of dust/smoke below the actuall crashing into the world towers...
look at what a pro lucid dreamer use to be able to do, influence a situation, i know of one death through this practise...
heard the saying lifes a dream...
Aborigines here in Aussie call now, dream time...they are a real smarties this lot when it comes to things talked about on sites as this, masters...
all scripted man being saying this for ages...
we get these scattered bits of info so when the time comes (soon before, 2012) we can all look at what all we percieved as the evil was all scripted prior to us in this body existing excepting a few areas, i know of one lucid death a decade ago and of course their are a few situations since late 2009 that will/need to be addressed...
so no-one guilty except a few of noth'n...that amounts to no hell
they above guides may show ya visions of hell but that all it is is just a mirage, not their man...
so as ya can see i do not believe in hell in after life, when one leaves thats it man for given so to speak we are all just instruments of the system, the strings have been of in a few areas especially of late but not many aresa before that...
good luck
love all
Quote from: Thread Killer on May 26, 2011, 20:40:35
Hey God's Proxy,
I apologise. I'm sorry if you feel I've been hostile. I guess I'm amused at your earnestness. Another guess is you're under twenty five. I used to feel the type of certainty with which you conduct yourself. My age has taken that away. Your voracity impresses me. In the face of overwhelming opposition, you persist. At my age though, it's just an exercise in ego. That's cool. Just don't be too disappointed when people don't see it your way. It's hearts and minds, G.P., hearts and minds.
Shine On, You Crazy Diamond,
-Jim-
Good song! :lol:
@Astral316: Thank you for the gesture of removing the crazy stuff, it is appreciated.
@Thread Killer, Jim: I'm 39 and my conviction is only growing stronger. Its the truth you see. How old are you, if you don't mind me asking? My given name is Neil.
This thread is going to be locked soon. I'm going to give it a new incarnation :)
Quote from: ether2 on May 26, 2011, 22:43:47
for the record i do not believe in a hell in after life and dont not know where ya go that assumption of me from...
Actually, you have just shown yourself to be really self-centred here. It's like for you, everything has to be about you. The belief in hell is about Godsproxy. The homosexuality issue is about you. I was killing two birds with one stone.
@Godsproxy:
Look back and read the posts by the people you listed and you might learn something. They are actually quite constructive. Only the ignorant will not take such statements onboard.
Hey God's Proxy.
Have you ever read "The Four Agreements" by Don Miguel Ruiz? It's premise begins similarly to yours (besides describing material reality similarly to how you describe it, as a 'subjective hell') it goes on to giving ideas on how to improve things, based on Toltec Mythology as the vehicle.
I'm only basing my answer on my perception of your having asked for ideas.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 27, 2011, 13:00:10
Actually, you have just shown yourself to be really self-centred here. It's like for you, everything has to be about you. The belief in hell is about Godsproxy. The homosexuality issue is about you. I was killing two birds with one stone.
@Godsproxy:
Look back and read the posts by the people you listed and you might learn something. They are actually quite constructive. Only the ignorant will not take such statements onboard.
well thanx this is the one time i'll take the self-centred as being balanced...as centre means balance i don't like balance as balance is inbetween negative and positive which is noth'n... as wisdom is a positive thing!
everything about me, Nay... not me man, but everyone else, it's called careing :wink:
good luck
love all
LOL! :lol:
Evasive as ever.
I'm 43 yrs old. Despite your claim to the contrary, I'm sticking to my estimation of your age.
"...and though time goes by, I will always be in a club with you in 1973 singing "Here we go again"
-Jim-
Hi Jim, I'll post a scan of my ID book and my passport to prove it. 39 with scars to back it up.
Yeah, "here we go again". Sooner or later someone had to hit on the right formula :)
Quote from: Thread Killer on May 27, 2011, 21:04:08
I'm 43 yrs old. Despite your claim to the contrary, I'm sticking to my estimation of your age.
"...and though time goes by, I will always be in a club with you in 1973 singing "Here we go again"
CFTraveler: Sounds like my kind of book:
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The Fifth Agreement uses doubt as a tool to discern the truth.. Doubt takes us behind the words we hear to the intent behind them. By being skeptical, we don't believe every message we hear; we don't put our faith in lies, and when our faith is not in lies, we quickly move beyond emotional drama, victimization, and the limiting belief systems our "domestication" has programmed us with.
This reality is a
consensus reality. Very powerful, hard to break. We all agree there is an ashtray in the room, so there is an ashtray in the room. We disagree that there is a rescuing entity in the room, so there is no rescuing entity in the room. Self-fulfilling and self-enforcing.
You asked "what have we missed observing which could be valuable to us"
I think the biggest thing we have missed is that we are heading in the same direction despite choosing and having chosen different routes to get there, now back through history. It's very obvious to me that humanity (however you define it) has always sought advancement and understanding of who we are and where we are going. What we are missing and what is holding us back is - us. Meaning our own beliefs systems which we all want to believe are oh so different when in reality they are the same just wearing different clothing.
I quoted your original post below since this is so old and appears to have gotten seriously derailed.
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 22, 2011, 09:56:57
Most of what is going on in this reality can be observed by Obnosis - observation of the obvious, and requires no special powers or skills.
All it requires is an open mind, a willingness to look at some unpleasant facts, and throwing away or disregarding preconceptions.
It also requires an ability to start to spot when someone is manipulating you through your emotions.
This thread is dedicated to Observation of the Obvious - what have we missed observing which could be valuable to us.
Please could we try to keep the thread on topic and keep from filling it with junk so that people won't read it and will be chased away from this forum :)
One obvious thing is that this is Hell on Earth (http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com).
A definition of obnosis:
Knowledge by Observation, experiential knowledge, waking up and looking, learning by going to look, learning by doing, learning by watching others, as opposed to theoretical learning.
All roads lead to Rome, this applies to both the Montagues and the Capulets of THIS world.
Breaking out the Shakespeare quotes! Stuff just got real folks. :)