This is a pretty remarkable event... Obama, the CIA, Navy Seals, etc. sure know how to get the job done. I've always been fascinated with the whereabouts of this guy and wanted to try remote viewing his location. Now that he had a few caps busted in his butt the other day I'm planning to try to meet up with him in the Astral tonight. Chances are slim, but hopefully a few of us can give it a shot and maybe even come back with an experience that is at least marginally relevant. I'd be interested to know what part of the Astral he's currently residing, what potential pain he may be going through if any, etc. 8-)
May i enquire why, of all people to try and meet, would it be osama bin laden?
Because he was public enemy #1 up until yesterday, and getting passed concepts of good vs. evil.. he's a fascinating character in world history. I don't want to shake the mans hand or anything, just want to know what he's experiencing during this "transitional period" in his spiritual development.
Funny title :lol:
Quote from: Astral316 on May 02, 2011, 14:24:21
Because he was public enemy #1 up until yesterday, and getting passed concepts of good vs. evil.. he's a fascinating character in world history. I don't want to shake the mans hand or anything, just want to know what he's experiencing during this "transitional period" in his spiritual development.
He's probably going "what the...."
QuoteHe's probably going "what the...."
Haha, yeah.
Not what he learned in Sunday school, at any rate. :-D
Why did they gun down and kill Usama's children?
They probably got in the way.^^
Also, Osama was sick to the point of giving a gun to a 5 year old.
He is still alive those that are at the height of knowing of this worlds workings/ and at the height of abilities of projection will have the knowledge of this and why they B#!!excrement about such
Bye
Quote from: Summerlander on May 03, 2011, 05:10:21
Also, Osama was sick to the point of giving a gun to a 5 year old.
Child soldiers are common throughout Africa... pretty sad, nevertheless.
Quote from: alive on May 03, 2011, 07:15:47
He is still alive those that are at the height of knowing of this worlds workings/ and at the height of abilities of projection will have the knowledge of this and why they B#!!excrement about such
Bye
Hey, ether. I have no doubt he's no longer in the physical realm... whether he has the abilities to navigate the non-physical with ease is another question.
Quote from: alive on May 03, 2011, 07:15:47
He is still alive those that are at the height of knowing of this worlds workings/ and at the height of abilities of projection will have the knowledge of this and why they B#!!excrement about such
Bye
He's dead! Why would president Obama lie about his death when there would be a possibility of him turning up dead? It could ruin his administration and it would be a major scandal. They wouldn't say he's dead unless they were certain that he would not be seen again. Come one...logic! :roll:
Damn conspiracy theorists...
Politics does not work by logic, that is a given. It would be far from the first time a lie like this was made. I think he is probably dead too, but that does not mean it is impossible for them to have made it up; look at how symbolic this one person was- his existence partially allowed the president to justify two silly wars the U.S. had no business with; if they can tell the public that armies march about this one guy, are you sure they would not lie about him if they wanted the public to believe in their next course of action?
And the evidence: Some U.S. seals shot him in the face, and then immediately buried him at sea, following a supposed DNA test. Have any of you seen pictures of him yet?
I think they are likely to be telling the truth, but again, I would never fully rule out lies.
Interesting points... still, the only way I could imagine the government lying to us is if Bin Laden's death was already proven a certainty... then it's just a matter of the government making up a story to take the credit, increase national unity, etc. If Bin Laden's alive, it would be far... far to risky making something like this up. All it takes is one video from Bin Laden to circulate where he comments on his supposed "death" and America's trust in the Obama admin. is down the crapper. I don't see how it would be worth it.
I think you are downplaying the possibility too much, and not realizing how easy it is for them to get away with lying about it.
Why would it reflect on Obama, specifically? Obama never claimed he shot the gun; he was not on the ground in Pakistan, and he is reliant on the information the military gave him. If Bin Laden surfaced next week and gave a video, the Obama administration would either immediately call it a fake, as they have to many of the videos they received, or they would say that there was a gross military error; it would ultimately reflect on the military, as they are the ones who handled it. It would fall into the lap of 3 or 4 random people involved to take the fall, and everyone would be happy. So they stand a lot to gain by lying, and they don't risk much if they are found out, since there is so little information there that they can pass the buck a mile and incriminate the ones who claimed to be there.
Again, I am not arguing that they are lying, but I am advocating not taking world governments on their word for anything, and considering all motivations and possibilities.
He is probably at the bottom of the sea now, but I am saying I can conceive ways it could be otherwise.
It could also be some poor Paki shopkeeper on the bottom of the ocean. And three dead children...
People are dead. This is no reason for celebration no matter what you think the person did. I am disappointed and disgusted.
Murder is not a happy occasion no matter who was on the giving end and who was on the receiving end.
Oh, and people are already reporting that he has been dead for 10 years, or that this isn't really him. So there's no need to comment in this thread about how he's not dead or has been dead like you're providing us with some glorious revelation. This is a null topic. Someone was murdered and mourning/celebration of the person's life is all we should do. Anything else and we should jsut keep it to ourselves.
I've been pretty disgusted myself the past few days seeing all the facebook comments and joy surrounding someones murder. Surely we could have brought an elderly man on dialysis to trial without killing him. I for one practice forgiveness.
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." - Gandhi
exactly cosmo
I generally dislike videos with "truth" in the title but this one is really true - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM3Z1lWMeRI
I agree, I was out celebrating my 4th year wedding anniversary at the time and noticed all these cars speeding around sporting the American flag with all these mindless idiots screaming "U S A, U S A" until they were blue in the face. I heard someone playing the national anthem on a trumpet too. I felt completely ashamed and disheartened by their celebration of death. England was apparently the same, what have we become as a society? Seriously.
Quote from: Mattoid on May 03, 2011, 17:19:29
I agree, I was out celebrating my 4th year wedding anniversary at the time and noticed all these cars speeding around sporting the American flag with all these mindless idiots screaming "U S A, U S A" until they were blue in the face. I heard someone playing the national anthem on a trumpet too. I felt completely ashamed and disheartened by their celebration of death. England was apparently the same, what have we become as a society? Seriously.
Yup, it's useless to act like the very enemies you claim that you're better than. :(
We've always been a "Them/Us" society... and this shows it perfectly. "They" will always keep trying to kill our way of life... and "We" will always try to stop them... which "They" then will always try to kill us for... which "We" will always try to stop them from doing...
Horrible cycle... I wish people on this planet would grow up.
Quote from: personalreality on May 03, 2011, 16:17:01
People are dead. This is no reason for celebration no matter what you think the person did. I am disappointed and disgusted.
Murder is not a happy occasion no matter who was on the giving end and who was on the receiving end.
Oh, and people are already reporting that he has been dead for 10 years, or that this isn't really him. So there's no need to comment in this thread about how he's not dead or has been dead like you're providing us with some glorious revelation. This is a null topic. Someone was murdered and mourning/celebration of the person's life is all we should do. Anything else and we should jsut keep it to ourselves.
Nodding in agreement. It makes me sad to see the celebrations.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 03, 2011, 14:40:59Again, I am not arguing that they are lying, but I am advocating not taking world governments on their word for anything, and considering all motivations and possibilities.
I agree, I'm just not sure the benefit to lie would outweigh the risks in getting caught in the lie. What does the government have to gain?
Anyway, I'm far from a patriot... people say at times like this they are proud to be American... why? For being born in America? Nationalism is a poor reason to feel proud. Like I said before... good vs. evil is just a concept. A coin with two sides. Bin Laden became a sort of hero in the Muslim world when he could've lived a rich, comfortable and happy life... that's why he's fascinating to me. There's really no proof he is alive so I'll assume the government is telling the truth until evidence indicates otherwise. 8-)
Quote from: WASD on May 03, 2011, 17:18:48
I generally dislike videos with "truth" in the title but this one is really true - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM3Z1lWMeRI
I just noticed this video, thanks for posting it. Just reinforces the idea that good vs. evil isn't black and white.
QuoteWhat does the government have to gain?
Symbolic value. This guy holds a lot of weight in manipulating mass public opinion. Let's assume that things did happen as has been reported to the media; doesn't it seem really convenient that the guy all of this war business was supposedly inspired by is killed not immediately, but nine full years after the fact? They can have the war for as long as they want, do what they want to do, build bases here, intimidate OPEC oil markets there, and then pack up it and leave at the end of the day, a decade later, and say, "Oh look, the guy is chillng out over here in Pakistan a few dozen miles from us, eating falafel", and nab him on the way out. The military can do what it wants for as long as it wants, and then say it was all justified at the end. They can tell the public the ends justified the means- we did what we can to do, etc. Meanwhile, they may have known exactly where he was at all times for a decade, and they were just waiting till they were through with everything else.
Again, not saying there was necessarily foul-play here, but you can't just accept that what O'Reily or anyone else says every night is the full story; mobilizing actual resources (labor, funding) through the control of social resources (public belief/support and motivation) is the entire picture of world politics. Lots of people play the game, and plenty don't play fair. For this reason alone, and not on the basis of any conspiracy theories, you cannot take anything that happens in the greater political theatre at assumed face-value.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 03, 2011, 20:34:41"Oh look, the guy is chillng out over here in Pakistan a few dozen miles from us, eating falafel"
What's worse than getting shot to death? Getting shot to death... while eating falafel. :-D
No, but really I see what you're saying and you're absolutely right... no event to this scale should be blindly accepted without proof. I figured Obama would've had the proof before the announcement was made is all.
ether why do you keep deleting your account if you are not going anywhere?
I am glad I am not alone in not celebrating death.
video of his sea burial may be released:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/osama-bin-laden-sea-burial-video-released/story?id=13508657
"Photos of OBLs body at a hangar after he was brought back to Afghanistan. This is the most recognizable with a clear picture of his face. The picture is gruesome because he has a massive open head wound across both eyes. It's very bloody and gory
The official says the challenge is that the picture that includes the most recognizable image of OBLs face – from the hangar in Afghanistan – is so gruesome and mangled its not appropriate for say the front page of the newspaper. On the other hand, this is the one that is most identifiable as him"
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/03/even-more-on-the-photos/?hpt=T1
Quote from: Lexy on May 03, 2011, 23:01:52
video of his sea burial may be released:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/osama-bin-laden-sea-burial-video-released/story?id=13508657
"Photos of OBLs body at a hangar after he was brought back to Afghanistan. This is the most recognizable with a clear picture of his face. The picture is gruesome because he has a massive open head wound across both eyes. It's very bloody and gory
The official says the challenge is that the picture that includes the most recognizable image of OBLs face – from the hangar in Afghanistan – is so gruesome and mangled its not appropriate for say the front page of the newspaper. On the other hand, this is the one that is most identifiable as him"
http://whitehouse.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/03/even-more-on-the-photos/?hpt=T1
Thanks for the update. It would be hard to explain away the released picture using a conspiracy theory but I suppose anything's possible with doctoring and the CIA.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 04, 2011, 09:15:29
Thanks for the update. It would be hard to explain away the released picture using a conspiracy theory but I suppose anything's possible with doctoring and the CIA.
I agree it's possible, but given the circumstances, I just don't see it in this case.
Just wanted to insert a warning for us morbidly curious people....there are a bunch of viruses going around claiming to pics/videos of Osama's body. I wouldn't click on anything like that just yet.
Lol... somehow that is funny to me. I think you probably rightfully earned the virus to deal with for an evening if you clicked on a link looking for Osama's body.
They knew where Obama was the whole time. They were waiting for the right time to get him. The time is now because Osama wants to be re-elected. He's already won over part of his opposition. There's a lot of politics behind. they killed two birds with one stone. That's what happened.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 04, 2011, 18:57:53
They knew where Obama was the whole time.
In the white house?
:NoY:
LOL
OMG that was funny
This "victory" feels hollow and empty to me. If we had got him within a year of going to Afghanistan I might feel differently. But now it feels more like a distraction. I do not believe the official 9/11 story anyway, for various reasons which is a whole other discussion.
My political viewpoint aside, I think it is safe to say that Osama has finally learned the truth about reality. He has met his maker and now he can reconcile his beliefs with the true nature of existence.
He's probably wondering where his 37 virgins are :-D
So I'm guessing Osama is residing in some of the absolute lowest astral planes right now, am I right??
whats really funny, read his tweets from hell @GhostOsama
did anyone see the daily show last night?
jon stewart had an "Obama/Osama Jar" in which he dropped a quarter every time he said obama instead of osama. it was full.
Quote from: NoY on May 04, 2011, 19:55:37
In the white house?
:NoY:
LOL! I just realised my mistake! Swap Obama with Osama and my previous post will make sense! :-D
Quote from: personalreality on May 05, 2011, 10:12:04
did anyone see the daily show last night?
jon stewart had an "Obama/Osama Jar" in which he dropped a quarter every time he said obama instead of osama. it was full.
Freudian slips maybe? :wink:
Quote from: Astral316 on May 02, 2011, 12:47:37
This is a pretty remarkable event... Obama, the CIA, Navy Seals, etc. sure know how to get the job done. I've always been fascinated with the whereabouts of this guy and wanted to try remote viewing his location. Now that he had a few caps busted in his butt the other day I'm planning to try to meet up with him in the Astral tonight. Chances are slim, but hopefully a few of us can give it a shot and maybe even come back with an experience that is at least marginally relevant. I'd be interested to know what part of the Astral he's currently residing, what potential pain he may be going through if any, etc. 8-)
guys these focus levels don't have actual existence
there isn't literally a "place" of different focus that we enter into.
you've really got it all wrong frankly.
ummm...thought you said you were leaving?
Quote from: moondreamer on May 05, 2011, 23:45:26
ummm...thought you said you were leaving?
That was the post prior TO where I _did_ state I was leaving, genius
clock meet face
Quotethere isn't literally a "place" of different focus that we enter into.
Yes, but then that is not how the model works anyhow. It is not like there is the F21 plane, and the F27 plane, etc. Monroe just made these numbers up to explain various mental states by the features they appear to have, and assigned them numbers along what appeared to be a loose continuum. F numbers are less about places, and more about psychological experiences of individuals; and at the end of the day it is just that anyhow- a
model that does not purport to
be reality, but merely to make a first attempt at explaining it.
This Osama affair is a hoax, the election draws near and Obama needs some support since his rating sucks. Bin laden have been dead since 2001.
Quote from: Synapz on May 06, 2011, 00:17:29
clock meet face
lol!
the rest of the post was unnecessarily inflammatory, but that is hilarious.
If Osama is now on the astral plane, do you think he will try to hijack it?.
Sorry... it was an obvious pun. I couldn't resist. Just like the time I pushed the big red button. :evil:
Quote from: AmbientSound on May 07, 2011, 21:02:13
If Osama is now on the astral plane, do you think he will try to hijack it?.
Sorry... it was an obvious pun. I couldn't resist. Just like the time I pushed the big red button. :evil:
(http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/15/steve-austin.gif)
:lol:
Yeah, that was pretty much the response I was expecting...
There is a pawn shop near my house with a sign outside in the parking lot that reads "How are those 72 virgins working out for you, Bin Laden?"
Lulz.
lol'd :-D
Quote from: Pharoah on May 09, 2011, 08:15:08
There is a pawn shop near my house with a sign outside in the parking lot that reads "How are those 72 virgins working out for you, Bin Laden?"
Lulz.
Its funny but also kinda stupid. It only takes one muslim nutcase who's having a bad day and decides to blow the place up
QuoteQuote from: Pharoah on May 09, 2011, 15:15:08
There is a pawn shop near my house with a sign outside in the parking lot that reads "How are those 72 virgins working out for you, Bin Laden?"
Lulz.
Its funny but also kinda stupid. It only takes one muslim nutcase who's having a bad day and decides to blow the place up
You make it sound like every Muslim gets a copy of the "Jihadist's Guide to Improvised Explosives" when they sign up at their mosque. I have my own feelings about organized religions, but that does not mean the entire group of people are homicidal psychopaths. We have our share of Christian terrorists here in the U.S., and no feels uncomfortable about having an abortion clinic, or putting up atheist billboards.
Granted, I will say one group is more excitable than the other, and more easily provoked, but universal discrimination of an entire demographic is another form of fanatacism as well.
Well he did say "Muslim nutcase", he didnt really say every muslim, just the nutcases.
Unless he meant all muslims are nutcases.
Are there many Christian terrorists? I don't hear about anyone blowing things up in the name of Jesus.
Please see my next post, I double posted.
But yes.
As I was reading the hilarious replies on this thread to my boyfriend, he said (in regards to the sign mentioned in my previous post) "It wasn't a pawn shop, it was a strip club", a distinction I thought very noteworthy in this context.
Lulz x 2
Quote from: Astral316 on May 12, 2011, 14:02:46
Are there many Christian terrorists? I don't hear about anyone blowing things up in the name of Jesus.
In the US, they blow up Planned Parenthood clinics, even if they're not performing abortions at the time.
If you live in Ireland, you may consider the 'opposite' side of the Protestant/Catholic divide a terrorist, especially when they blow things up.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 12, 2011, 14:44:39
In the US, they blow up Planned Parenthood clinics, even if they're not performing abortions at the time
Come on now, thats not at all comparable. You're trying to compare global muslim jihad with 1 or 2 abortion clinic bombings the last 20 years??
I thought you were more intelligent then that
the truth of a "global muslim jihad" have also been exaggerated quite a bit, especially in the states, uk and canadia
Quote from: Fresco on May 12, 2011, 16:40:28
Come on now, thats not at all comparable. You're trying to compare global muslim jihad with 1 or 2 abortion clinic bombings the last 20 years??
I thought you were more intelligent then that
Wow, that's really personal. I'm not comparing anything. Astral asked 'are there any christian terrorists', and I said 'the Irish and the people who run P.P. may think so'.
Why are you being so hostile? And insulting?
He has probably been drinking, lol.
I wasnt trying to be hostile, I just dont think you can compare the two.
And no, I havent been drinking :wink:
Quote from: personalreality on May 12, 2011, 16:41:43
the truth of a "global muslim jihad" have also been exaggerated quite a bit, especially in the states, uk and canadia
And what makes you say this?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 12, 2011, 14:44:39
In the US, they blow up Planned Parenthood clinics, even if they're not performing abortions at the time.
If you live in Ireland, you may consider the 'opposite' side of the Protestant/Catholic divide a terrorist, especially when they blow things up.
Blowing up an empty planned parenthood clinic in the middle of the night (what?... 30 years ago? - get real....) is NOT Terrorism. That is vandalism. Terrorism targets innocent people to be killed.
Ireland was a political movement trying to gain political freedom from Great Britain. It was NOT an attempt to kill infidels for the sake of terrorizing infidels. It was a political act of political war for political freedom. No IRA terrorist ever shouted "Ave Maria!" or "Praise Jesus" as he set off a bomb.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 12, 2011, 14:02:46
Are there many Christian terrorists? I don't hear about anyone blowing things up in the name of Jesus.
There are no Christian Terrorists blowing "people" up in the name of Jesus.
^^^ agreed on all parts with Rudolph.
There was a guy (named Rudolph ironically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph) who blew up 1 or 2 abortion clinics and there was a man who shot that abortion doctor in Buffaly NY with a sniper rifle.
But thats been about it, you cant even begin to compare that with global jihad
Edited for coherence.
QuoteIreland was a political movement trying to gain political freedom from Great Britain. It was NOT an attempt to kill infidels for the sake of terrorizing infidels.
I agree, and I am not saying (or said) that they were terrorists for being christian. I am saying that whoever was on the other side would consider the bombs a terrorist act, and both sides were christian.
I never said that christians were some sort of terrorist movement, or any such thing.
In fact, terrorism doesn't imply religious persuasion, terrorism is any act designed to scare people in general for a particular cause. For example, the FALN are considered terrorists in Spain and have nothing to do with religion.
QuoteSo what you're saying is that anyone going to a Planned Parenthood clinic to get some other service in the eighties are not innocent, therefore don't count as people? (Last I heard vandalism is about property, not people.)
I edited my comment for clarity. The Abortion clinics were bombed when they were empty in the middle of the night. No people were targeted. THAT was NOT terrorism.
Quote from: Rudolph on May 12, 2011, 18:58:50
Blowing up an empty planned parenthood clinic in the middle of the night (what?... 30 years ago? - get real....) is NOT Terrorism. That is vandalism. Terrorism targets innocent people to be killed.
Nope.
Terrorism's only purpose is to incite... terror. Terror and fear through the use of violence. There's nothing to say a specific group or person has to be targetted.
In this case, the very idea that someone COULD be in a Planned Parenthood office would now be terrifying to someone who was thinking about going to one.
Quote from: CFTraveler on May 12, 2011, 19:12:21
Edited for coherence.
I agree, and I am not saying (or said) that they were terrorists for being christian. I am saying that whoever was on the other side would consider the bombs a terrorist act, and both sides were christian.
I never said that christians were some sort of terrorist movement, or any such thing.
In fact, terrorism doesn't imply religious persuasion, terrorism is any act designed to scare people in general for a particular cause. For example, the FALN are considered terrorists in Spain and have nothing to do with religion.
I don't think anyone here has said there is a 'religion' component required to qualify as "Terrorism".
TARGETING innocents is a requirement imho.
(Instilling fear in a community for whatever end result desired, political or otherwise is already commonly accepted as part of the "terrorism" definition -- which is still in flux, I think -- the terrorist sympathizers are trying to broaden it to "anytime innocents are killed" in order to muddy the waters).
Blowing up a couple abortion clinics in the middle of the night does not instill terror in a community and it is NOT terrorism.
back again
terrorism=terror=fear=emotions=energy
this energy is used to run the world/s system/s just about all that ya can think of including earthquakes/floods etc
George Bush when in power hinted at this that he was aware of the energy required, he certainly understood that the world/s system/s needed emotions the emotions we don't like fear and what not, this generates energy for the world/s system/s, did he know about energy??? he knew of the emotions needed
i know this because i have the abilities to annoy anyone anywhere in the world without physical interaction...i wanted peace so he let me know of the requirements of the system/s emotions=energy...he led me to believe that their was a law against world peace at that time true/false i don't know
ya have heard of how it was assumed that Osama B L was trained by the U S A military, true i don't know that, i think they were though??? it would make sense (complicated), i do know it is all constructed in order to produce emotions=energy for the world/s system/s
i have later since then worked out how to change this system with guidence from those in the know (and those above) as to how this can happen we have proven this in areas to areas (George included) we can duplicate this energy type without inducing the emotions, now today all of it (energy)...the problem is is the current scripts in place from XXX amount of years ago,(Nostradamus predicting towers collapse centuries ago...SCRIPTED) complicated but it is all played out before it gets played out to the physical world, deaths 100% controlled (from those above Higherself/Spirit/Guides/Angels all the same thing just roll playing (acting)(economy). until of recent since late 2009 only in the area that of the recent disasters earthquakes and recent floods because this/is was preventable...but because of excrement i cannot go into here it remains as is for now...
wont be long before it is all rearrange """the scripts""" so to speak for the better of all
good luck
love all
It may not be world wide terrorism, but there are "Christians" who kill and terrorize in the name of Jesus. Scott Roeder is a "born again" Christian who shot and killed a doctor in Wichita KS because he was "killing babies." The murder was what he perceived to be what his Christian beliefs demanded. This murder scared other doctors into closing up shop. It sounds like terrorism to me. The scary thing is, there are other Christians in Kansas and Oklahoma who thought this was okay.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10298/1097565-67.stm
DH
Quote from: DH on May 13, 2011, 00:15:32
It may not be world wide terrorism, but there are "Christians" who kill and terrorize in the name of Jesus. Scott Roeder is a "born again" Christian who shot and killed a doctor in Wichita KS because he was "killing babies." The murder was what he perceived to be what his Christian beliefs demanded. This murder scared other doctors into closing up shop. It sounds like terrorism to me. The scary thing is, there are other Christians in Kansas and Oklahoma who thought this was okay.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10298/1097565-67.stm
DH
You still cant even begin to compare them. Muslim Jihad is a worldwide movement, while a few lone nuts blowing up abortion clinics is done by a tiny little minority of whacky Christians
they have a wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism)
oh come on now...you don't really believe it's just a handful? how can you say one terrorist group is worse than another?
Quote from: Lexy on May 13, 2011, 01:16:04
they have a wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism)
oh come on now...you don't really believe it's just a handful? how can you say one terrorist group is worse than another?
Easy, its in the Muslim religion to kill nonbelievers. Even though not all Christians follow their religion, they preach love and tolerance.
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 13, 2011, 02:18:37
Easy, its in the Muslim religion to kill nonbelievers. Even though not all Christians follow their religion, they preach love and tolerance.
oh really?
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm (http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm)
Yeah but if you noticed in the world we live in today, most Christians dont follow these "rules".
Muslims on the other hand.... Take their bible a lot more seriously.
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 13, 2011, 02:34:37
Yeah but if you noticed in the world we live in today, most Christians dont follow these "rules".
Muslims on the other hand.... Take their bible a lot more seriously.
Fanatics take their bibles literally, fanatics! Are you saying all Muslims are terrorists?
QuoteEasy, its in the Muslim religion to kill nonbelievers. Even though not all Christians follow their religion, they preach love and tolerance.
Lexy's Link does give some great examples:
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
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These are the closest thing to the inciting of Jihad you will ever see, and they are in the Bible.
My personal favorite:
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
That means anyone here claiming to be a medium should be slaughtered by any Christian that encounters them, or they bring doom upon themsleves as well.
stillwater
seen visions of what looked like ya avatar last night or the night before, dont know why...see heaps of visions
and my two cents
what one must remember when reading anything scripted by those that departed before us that others believe were above all else (prophet etc) what was supposably what was as in what they teach is clearly a time frame thing, i consider-taught/trained life is a business as in business if ya did as the year before your dead!!! ya go broke!!!
i personally would not go by anything that was scripted centuries ago at a level of consciousness of what one would be expected if they were on the road/path to enlightement/developement of the mind to be your best, what one can do today with the mind and i have to go by what many donot know about the life and death cycle the minipulation of it for the better of all you can not "and by experience" can not go by one religion or follow one religion, respecting all religions equally gives you the knowledge/wisdom understanding how these world/s operate life and death included, it wont give ya this knowledge/wisdom if ya going to favor one religion or race PERIOD...this gives you knowledge of the energy needed to run the world/s system/s mother nature etc including earthquakes...like many raise energy to do things with the mind same goes for the world/s operations it rerquires energy...ya don't get this knowledge/wisdom respecting/following one religion... remember lifes a business disrespecting one or more areas of it (example accounting/marketing/admin/pr/etc) and ya dead you no longer exist in business...same goes if ya want to be in the business of life/world the minipulation of life/death/weather etc for the better of all :wink:
the main reason for deversity in religions is the energy required for the world/s system/s...confrontation=emotions=energy=needed/was...
NO DISRERSPECT TO ANY OF THE PROPHETS OF THE NON/LEADING RELIGIONS
and for Astral316 no secret hand shakes required...just love all
good luck
love all
QuoteThese are the closest thing to the inciting of Jihad you will ever see, and they are in the Bible.
Yes, there are all sorts of exhortations to violence in the OLD TESTAMENT. But they are nothing compared to the commands of another holy book which REQUIRES all the faithful to wage Jihad for the expressed purpose of subjugating the entire world under their rule. There is no Christian Command to conquer the world.
Why do people see such a desperate need to make excuses for the terrorists today? and try to make it look like they just like everyone else when it is obvious that they are very different and that this is a very different animal we are dealing with.
Blowing up an empty abortion clinic in the middle of night did not cause terror.
And I do not believe the claims that anyone was terrorized by a lone, murdering gunman who shot one abortionist. From what I can see there was not even a blip in the abortion rate as a result.
These rare acts from decades past are put up as sort of, "see, we do it too" argument and it is completely ridiculous.
There is no valid comparison to Jihadis flying airplanes into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people. There is no comparison to a culture that makes parents think it is a good thing to strap bombs around their own children and send them into a restaurant or bus to blow up innocent people. There is no equivalent to a culture that celebrates and dances in the streets when terrorists climb over a wall in the middle of the night and stab a random family, including plunging knives into the bodies of infants! There is nothing else remotely like a culture that makes men think it is okay to throw battery acid on the faces of little schoolgirls... because they were going to school. On and on and on....
Read the link to the religionofpeace site given earlier and get a clue.
They are NOT just like us.
Rudolph
what about the people of Christian religion at the top of the chain as in world leaders ENG and are at the top end of controlling people's minds to the degree that it was at the cause of mass destruction earthquakes/floods masses of death from disease accidents and so on that could have been prevented...Japan earthquake death toll pass 18000 people that is dead people 100's of billions of dollars worth of damage, then their were the floods since late 2009 that were preventable many more deaths and many more billions of dollars damage, that were preventable (complicated) all because of some controll freaks at the high end stopping a certain area from doing their business in order to prevent this and other disasters, all because they know they are in the poo because we have the evidence (murder) that will put them away for along time (worst) they also wanted to controll this area/s so they have taken up the world/s time in preventing an area from doing their work which has caused mass deaths more so than terroism in the areas talked about in the above...
hence the mental war in the realms/plains of recent
as well of the disasters since late 2009 preventable...deaths from just disease accidents could have been economically cut to a percentage of 15-23 percent by now easily world wide...many know this...note key word economically the economy could have sustained it easily...
thats terroism at it's best
good luck
love all
Quote from: Summerlander on May 03, 2011, 13:25:08
He's dead! Why would president Obama lie about his death when there would be a possibility of him turning up dead? It could ruin his administration and it would be a major scandal. They wouldn't say he's dead unless they were certain that he would not be seen again. Come one...logic! :roll:
Damn conspiracy theorists...
The thing about conspiracy theories is the further you dig, the more logical they are.
like they couldn't handle his dead body popping up sometime.
besides summer, the big conspiracy is that he's been dead for almost a decade, not that he's still alive.
QuoteYes, there are all sorts of exhortations to violence in the OLD TESTAMENT. But they are nothing compared to the commands of another holy book which REQUIRES all the faithful to wage Jihad for the expressed purpose of subjugating the entire world under their rule. There is no Christian Command to conquer the world.
Did you read the third I listed carefully, lol?
In order to carry out that command from God, and be spared his wrath, the Christians and Jews of the world should and must slaughter pretty much everyone on earth, since there are people of different religions in pretty much any city or town you look now.
I am not making excuses for terrorists- you suggest more motives I have never pursued. I am simply furthering my counterargument against the claim someone made earlier that Islam is the only religion whose holy book calls for mass jihad; there are unequivocal calls to jihad in the Bible, and Christians have acted on them too.
I'm surprised no one mentioned the crusades, unless I missed it?
Quote from: Stillwater on May 13, 2011, 14:01:24
Did you read the third I listed carefully, lol?
In order to carry out that command from God, and be spared his wrath, the Christians and Jews of the world should and must slaughter pretty much everyone on earth, since there are people of different religions in pretty much any city or town you look now.
I am not making excuses for terrorists- you suggest more motives I have never pursued. I am simply furthering my counterargument against the claim someone made earlier that Islam is the only religion whose holy book calls for mass jihad; there are unequivocal calls to jihad in the Bible, and Christians have acted on them too.
You are making excuses in the "oh, everyone does that sort of thing" type claim and that claim is total BS. The third quote you point to says to kill a friend or family who tries to turn you away from your faith. Nothing about GLOBAL Jihad.
I read your Bible quotes and there is nothing that commands Jihad. NOTHING.
you are just making stuff up. Do you have no integrity?
Quote...the Christians and Jews of the world should and must slaughter pretty much everyone on earth
This is pure baloney and no Christians or Jews have acted in Jihadi fashion.
Re: the Crusades... No no one mentioned it but I am glad someone did because this is another lie that the Terrorist sympathizers promulgate to no end.
The Crusades were not any kind of Jihad meant to subjugate the Infidels. They were a completely justified act of self defense. They were not a Holy war of Conquest but a plain and simple counter attack against marauding Islamic armies sweeping across Europe. When the Pope called for the Crusades the Brutal, violent Islamic war of aggressive expansion had moved from Arabia across southern Asia, to India, across North Africa, through Spain, into France, through most of Eastern Europe, Sicily and even into parts of Italy. The Crusades re-captured Jerusalem and parts of Anatolia and stopped there. Get it?! Not even CLOSE to the Muslim Jihad of global conquest.
And it worked great. Muslim expansion was stopped dead in its tracks. Western civilization owes the Pope a huge debt of gratitude for his courage and wisdom. Otherwise women in Europe today would be walking around in Burkas. (That is, the ones who hadn't been stoned to death for adultery, or the crime of being raped).
Its pretty funny how many people mention the crusades but not many actually know what it was
QuoteYou are making excuses in the "oh, everyone does that sort of thing" type claim and that claim is total BS. The third quote you point to says to kill a friend or family who tries to turn you away from your faith. Nothing about GLOBAL Jihad.
I read your Bible quotes and there is nothing that commands Jihad. NOTHING.
you are just making stuff up. Do you have no integrity?
How am I making stuff up? This is in every Bible; you can pick one up and find it. Ok, let's take this piece by piece. There is no mention of the words "family" or friend in these verses. Now all of the Bible is the Word of God transmitted through the gospel writers and the Propehets, and everything found therein makes up man's covenant with God; any Christian or Jew is BOUND to these laws, or faces God's unmitigated wrath. This states that in no uncertain terms, any place Christians and Jew are taking residence, and so much as one other person there professes to another faith, those Christians and Jews need to "
attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt." Furthermore, pretty much any town on the face of the earth Christians and Jew are living has at least one person in it professessing another faith. Ergo, about 98% of the world, save some communes and such, should be destroyed, never to be rebuilt, with every person in them slaughtered.
How this does not equate to Jihad, or has to do with friends and family, I don't know.
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
QuoteHow this does not equate to Jihad, or has to do with friends and family, I don't know.
Because honest readers see and know those quotes for what they are. Instructions for that Hebrew leader and how he was to conduct himself in that situation in space in time.
There was no instruction to Christians that can be reasonably interpreted to pursue global conquest of subjugation and conversion as is clearly laid out in Islam. It is blatantly dishonest to make such a claim.
If you can't see the instruction in your own quote limiting the action to family here... I will quote your own post for you;
QuoteIf your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods,...
Sheesh...
me thinks rudolph doth protest too much.
all i'm getting out of those posts is muslims are bad.
bigoted much?
i have to say, there's a very large muslim population at my school and not once has any of them tried to behead me for not being muslim.
it's easy for you to quote the rhetoric that we've been fed since "the war on terror", but in practical situations how many muslims do you know that behead people? how many do you know that actually believe they should be in a holy war against the west? every muslim i know just wants to practice their religion and be at peace with those around them. granted, i'm considering muslims that live in the united states, but it still proves the point that it's more likely "orthodox muslims" that live in countries that have been subjugated by the west and who also teach their children that westerners are infidels. you could say the same about fundamentalist christians here as well.
i guess i just don't really believe all the hype because i know lots of muslims and they're all great people. better than the southern baptists i grew up with. i will say that you certainly sound well-informed, however, it's hard to take you seriously because what you're saying is what the american government has been telling it's people since 2001. it sounds like propaganda from a wartime nation.
Bin Laden was a [edit].
QuoteBecause honest readers see and know those quotes for what they are. Instructions for that Hebrew leader and how he was to cunduct himself in that situation in space in time.
So the Bible is the Word of God which Christians are absolutely held to, but they can decide what parts they want to follow, and what they resonate with? If that were so, what makes the Bible different from a book like
Catcher In the Rye? A Christian can take the parts of that book they resonate with, and say the rest is mere rhetoric.
And that is ok with me, that makes sense. But then why does this same clause not apply to Islam? Why are not the calls to the slaying of infidels not merely instructions to a militant group in the 6th/7th Century, that needs to fight to live and propogate itself? Why are the Old Testament verses relics of the past that should not be practiced today, but the verses from the Quoran binding to all Muslims at all times?
QuoteIf you can't see the instruction in your own quote limiting the action to family here... I will quote your own post for you;
Quote
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods,...
Sheesh...
But that is another verse, not the verses in question. I stated we were speaking about the third verse in question, not any other verse in the Bible.
I don't mean to be argumentative, just precise.
Quoteall i'm getting out of those posts is muslims are bad.
bigoted much?
You just crossed the line PR. I am calling you on your BS. Quote me exactly and show how it demonstrates bigotry. Do that or be revealed as a dishonest, finger-pointing so-n-so.
There is not a bigoted bone in my body. But I reserve the right to make honest, factual comments that reflect negatively on another group if it is relevant to the recent comments and constructive. Just because it is negative does not mean it is bigoted. Not at all. But I have noticed how neurotic, self loathing Westerners are unable to face the hard facts about what Civilization faces in today's world.
Quotei have to say, there's a very large muslim population at my school and not once has any of them tried to behead me for not being muslim.
I will do my best to ignore insipid, irrelevant commentary.
Quoteit's easy for you to quote the rhetoric that we've been fed since "the war on terror",
Quote me exactly and show how it matches "the rhetoric that we've been fed". And show how it is not true and how it was just inserted in random and gratuitous fashion.
Quotehow many do you know that actually believe they should be in a holy war against the west?
Quite a few actually. And they thought taking US citizens as hostages would be great fun too. Let me ask you this? How many young muslim men have you lived in close proximity to for over six months? And how many of them were dating South American women and none of them knew you could speak Spanish?
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Then in the USA there was a recent poll showing something like 24% of young Muslim boys/men (~14-30yrs old) born and raised in the USA admitted that they believed there were justifiable reasons for Jihadi/terrorist action to kill innocent people. That number goes wayyy up outside the USA.
But yes, of course we know that the majority of Muslims are peace loving people who just want to raise their families in peace... that is why so many are desperately trying to flee their homelands.
Quoteit's hard to take you seriously because what you're saying is what the american government has been telling it's people since 2001. it sounds like propaganda from a wartime nation.
Again, prove it. My comments are simply refuting the lies of Terrorist apologists and terrorist sympathizers and the destructive mewling and cowing of self loathing, neurotic westerners. My comments were not propaganda but replies to outright falsehoods.
QuoteWhy are the Old Testament verses relics of the past that should not be practiced today, but the verses from the Quoran binding to all Muslims at all times?
OT verses can be viewed as relics of the past because OT verses are a couple thousand years older than the Koran. (Duh) and no Jew or Christian group is flying airplanes into buildings and waging a jihad bent on global conquest in the name of their god.
And they are not binding because of this thing called the "New Covenant".
And they are also not binding because present exegesis says so. That is NOT the case in large parts of Islam. Present exegesis demands bloody jihad for much of the Muslim faithful. Face facts if you can.
QuoteBut that is another verse, not the verses in question. I stated we were speaking about the third verse in question, not any other verse in the Bible.
Well, please add a little clarity to your precision and just gimme the one quote you are talking about?
there just isn't any middle of the road with you is there? nothing but serious, nose to the grindstone talks.
the bigotry isn't in the content, it's in the context. really, you showed up on this forum a few weeks ago and it seems that most of your posts are devoted to convincing us that muslims are bad.
let me be clear, i don't dispute that islam has some pretty extreme beliefs that effect the world negatively. however, taken in context with the rest of the atrocities committed by nearly every other culture ever, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. i just don't understand why you're still here arguing with me and stillwater and whoever else. you've expressed your point quite clearly multiple times. i just haven't seen you contribute much else to the forum and i'm wondering if you're here to talk politics with people that you perceive to be "hippie-pacifist" types or if you're actually here for astral projection (you know, the topic of the forum).
It isnt a big deal to you what they're doing around the world and its growing?
:|
Its not about what has happened, its about what is happening.
Quote from: personalreality on May 13, 2011, 17:51:02
there just isn't any middle of the road with you is there? nothing but serious, nose to the grindstone talks.
Wrong again, PR. Just look at my posts. I have made plenty of AP comments on AP related threads here. Open your eyes and take in the full picture that is right there in front of your nose.
I make frequent posts on non AP threads when frequent lies are posted on non AP threads.
Quotethe bigotry isn't in the content, it's in the context. really, you showed up on this forum a few weeks ago and it seems that most of your posts are devoted to convincing us that muslims are bad.
No weaseling out finger-pointer, back up your comments or be revealed as a dishonest so-n-so.
I only refute false comments that are destructive to the civilization that my progeny will grow up in. I am not trying to say any particular religion is bad I am only saying "take off the rose colored glasses!" you neurotic, self loathing losers!
Quotelet me be clear, i don't dispute that islam has some pretty extreme beliefs that effect the world negatively. however, taken in context with the rest of the atrocities committed by nearly every other culture ever, it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
It is a VERY BIG DEAL.
No other atrocities in our lifetimes can reasonably compare. Mature citizens can face it and acknowledge it. Neurotic self loathing losers aren't helping anything with their deep denial games of "Let's Pretend".
Quotei just don't understand why you're still here arguing with me and stillwater and whoever else. you've expressed your point quite clearly multiple times.
I am still here because I am interested in AP. I am not just arguing -- I am refuting the bald faced lies of neurotic self loathing losers that are destroying the world my grandchildren will grow up in.
This is also going out globally.
do you think this argument is helping any issues :|
:NoY:
what am i gonna do about it?
more than that, what if this is how things are supposed to go down? you know, like we need to work through this kind of pain as a species in order to move forward?
i figure the best thing i can do is continue my practice and spread the good ju ju to as many people as possible, ignite that divine spark.
i do think things are changing, but i think people that focus on the wars and such are missing the big picture. i'm not a 2012er or anything like that, i'm talking about the cyclical evolution of the human spirit manifest through the body. we are reaching a breaking point that could well fracture the psyches of humanity, sending us back to a time before history. alternatively we could maintain control, find balance and move forward. but me freaking out on the internet about my political ideologies and my "facts" is pointless and it's a waste of energy. i'm a firm believer in personal history. what can you really expect from people raised in such an environment that teaches them to hate the world and such? that in mind, i don't blame the people, they know what they've been taught. i wouldn't go around killing people because they have issued a "jihad" on me and mine. perhaps i would die for being naive, but i would like to think that there are real, honest, spiritually enlightened beings underneath all the programming. and, in an effort to share that perspective with the world, that is how i will continue to view the so-called terrorists. there are no terrorists, there are people who have a history, who have a life that led them to this point. is it their fault if they were never presented with a choice of alternative?
i think it's absolutely bonkers to stew over this kind of stuff. are you really protecting anyone, saving lives by rant? doubtful.
Quote from: NoY on May 13, 2011, 18:31:32
This is also going out globally.
do you think this argument is helping any issues :|
Yes. It is.
Perceived weakness is an invitation to aggression.
The inability to face facts and deal with reality is perceived as weakness (as well it should be).
seriously man, take it easy.
i did no back-pedaling. as i said in my original post, "all i'm getting out of those posts is muslims are bad." see, i said posts, plural, implying the collection of posts (not any one post). a collection of posts can be analyzed for content, but the collection can also allude to context.
please stop playing the knight in shining armor who is here to save us from our falsehoods. perception is everything friend. say it as much as you want, but there is no such thing as hard fact. this, "I make frequent posts on non AP threads when frequent lies are posted on non AP threads." is not what we're here for. we're here to provide advice and support to people who are in need of help. we aren't here to "correct" everyone's mistakes.
no facts to be faced sir.
I looked through your posts. Maybe a handful of your 57 (lets say 10-15) have been on topic of projection.
The rest?
Politics, War, Religion.
You know, Carl Jung said that the things we hate the most about the world are the things that we refuse to face in ourselves.
Quotethere are no terrorists, there are people who have a history, who have a life that led them to this point. is it their fault if they were never presented with a choice of alternative?
So there you have it. " there are no terrorists..."
Hey! PR... 'they' obviously had choices and alternatives. Most of the terrorists had family and friends and neighbors who did not choose to kill innocent people for no good reason.
" there are no terrorists..." geez... insane. Blatant insanity.
Now now, let's not resort to personal attacks... be it on a member of this forum, or a group of individuals in general.
Remember, people ARE allowed to disagree with you.
This is exactly why posts about war and politics shouldn't be on a forum such as this. There are forums elsewhere to air this stuff.
If this discussion can't return to civility, it will be ended.
Quote from: Xanth on May 13, 2011, 19:12:34
Now now, let's not resort to personal attacks... be it on a member of this forum, or a group of individuals in general.
Remember, people ARE allowed to disagree with you.
This is exactly why posts about war and politics shouldn't be on a forum such as this. There are forums elsewhere to air this stuff.
If this discussion can't return to civility, it will be ended.
I had edited my mild comments 6 minutes prior to your reprimand, Xanth.
So... "loser" is crossing the line ? but... "bigoted much?" is okay? A string of destructive lies is okay?
Quote from: Rudolph on May 13, 2011, 19:25:59
I had edited my mild comments 6 minutes prior to your reprimand, Xanth.
So... "loser" is crossing the line ? but... "bigoted much?" is okay? A string of destructive lies is okay?
What makes you think my statement targets you specifically?
There's a reason I didn't quote anyone.
It's a general statement to all involved.
Let's keep this civil and you may continue. It's really that simple.
How can you guys even be so serious in a thread with a title as funny as this one?
:-D
Quote...say it as much as you want, but there is no such thing as hard fact.
Yes, there is.
Deny it as much as you want but that won't change the fact that there is such a thing as a fact.
(Deep denial won't change that fact either)
Substitute neutrons for electrons and your PC will stop functioning.
That's a fact.
Yes, this topic is getting a bit too heated. Issues of political opinion generally don't seem to invite gentle conversation :|
Quote from: Rudolph on May 13, 2011, 20:17:05
Substitute neutrons for electrons and your PC will stop functioning.
That's a fact.
Absolutely!
In fact, substitute the electrons for positrons and the PC will annihilate in a burst of energy!
:-D
Quote from: Stillwater on May 13, 2011, 21:51:53
Yes, this topic is getting a bit too heated. Issues of political opinion generally don't seem to invite gentle conversation :|
Discussing religion and/or politics on these types of forums brings out the ABSOLUTE WORST in people!!
Myself included sometimes, dont think I'm sitting on my high horse
it was unnecessary for me to call you bigoted and i apologize. sorry rudy.
Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 08:20:22
it was unnecessary for me to call you bigoted and i apologize. sorry rudy.
Too late...
He's been banned. He'll never know that you apologised. Unless I tell him. But if you REALLY want the apology to reach him...that's gonna cost ya!
:evil:
QuoteHe is still alive those that are at the height of knowing of this worlds workings/ and at the height of abilities of projection will have the knowledge of this and why they B#!!excrement about such
Sounds pretty likely, in terms of the obfustication that takes place in this reality.
The information that I have (not very reliable and not fully contextualized yet) is that he is an agent of evil (not classical biblical evil, rather evil in the mundane sense that this reality is a bad place).
His job is to set off a hand held nuclear device in any major urban center, in the event of the truth being discovered (see my other post, regarding the truth), and this reality is threatened with closure. This will cause general chaos and most likely lead to fall of civilization (again), and we will have to try again from the beginning. It's a pretty major defense.
Even if he is dead, his loyal officers will continue in his place.
How to defend against this:
- By postulate, disable all detonators on all nuclear devices during reality closure.
- By postulate, disable the agreements all particles have on "critical mass", thus making a nuclear chain reaction impossible.
- Remember to do this "for all related devices and defenses".
PS: I nearly missed mentioning the most important point, which is nothing is ever as it seems. Once you reach a certain awareness reality regarding Reality, Osama will seem logically to be an agent of good.
Actually he turns out in the end to an agent of evil.
Welcome to the world of obfustication. This is done intentionally to confuse people at higher levels (your last resort when faced with a reality such as this one is to become a bin laden character.)
I could still be wrong, so in that case apologies to Bin. He certain is a Player.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 03, 2011, 13:25:08
He's dead! Why would president Obama lie about his death when there would be a possibility of him turning up dead? It could ruin his administration and it would be a major scandal. They wouldn't say he's dead unless they were certain that he would not be seen again. Come one...logic! :roll:\
Ha ha. Imagine, "Hi I am Osama Bin Laden and you damned westerners lied! I'm alive!"
Do you realize, that regardless whether he is dead or alive, they can still release a verifiable video showing Bin Laden doing his thing on camera and laughing at America? And who cares if it is verifiable, the media will get it anyway and show it!
The fact that we haven't seen this yet, is either testimony to America's control on the media, or they are just waiting for dramatic effect, of perhaps a combination of the two.
"Come on...logic!" :roll: back to you :)
Quote from: Summerlander on May 14, 2011, 08:25:44
Too late...
He's been banned. He'll never know that you apologised. Unless I tell him. But if you REALLY want the apology to reach him...that's gonna cost ya!
:evil:
bummer.
I know. It's Summer. :lol:
Why was ruddy banned? Thats bonking BS. If you dont like what he has to say, STOP REPLYING
this goes two ways, someone said their opinion, he said his. You dont have to carry on.
Well said, SomeRandom! :-D
By the way, I've been in touch with Rudy...
He's only got three words for all of you and it's not "I love you"
:roll:
He did get a bit strong, but I am not sure why he was banned either.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 14, 2011, 16:44:56
Well said, SomeRandom! :-D
By the way, I've been in touch with Rudy...
He's only got three words for all of you and it's not "I love you"
:roll:
Is it "I MADE COOKIES!!!!" ?
i'm sure it's a temp ban firstly, more like a suspension.
i don't know why, but i can bet that it was because he repeatedly made personal attacks. xanth told us to stop making personal attacks and he kept arguing and he didn't stop. so that's my guess.
but who knows. maybe he posted something really inflammatory and xanth just deleted the post before we saw it. that has happened with other people in the past.
if you do speak to him summer, let him know that i really am sorry about the bigot comment, it was out of line and unfounded.
Quote from: Pharoah on May 14, 2011, 17:10:33
Is it "I MADE COOKIES!!!!" ?
No, it was "bonk you all"!
Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 17:19:04
if you do speak to him summer, let him know that i really am sorry about the bigot comment, it was out of line and unfounded.
Do you solemnly swear that you will always support and agree with whatever Summerlander says? :roll:
lol.
no.
Quote from: Fresco on May 04, 2011, 22:57:40
He's probably wondering where his 37 virgins are :-D
Instead he received white raisins...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5
Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 17:44:47
lol.
no.
Suit yourself. 8-)
Quote from: Bedeekin on May 14, 2011, 17:48:12
Instead he received white raisins...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/jan/12/books.guardianreview5
E-X-C-R-E-M-E-N-T. ^^
:-D
Rudy did the same thing on astral viewers... He actually posted a comment along the lines of "I thought your forum was more civil than most I have encountered"...
It seems he's completely unaware that it is he that's provoking.
nicely handled though guys.
i didn't handle it nicely.
i provoked him until he exploded.
that wasn't a very nice thing to do.
:wink:
Quote from: Bedeekin on May 14, 2011, 18:00:00
Rudy did the same thing on astral viewers... He actually posted a comment along the lines of "I thought your forum was more civil than most I have encountered"...
It seems he's completely unaware that it is he that's provoking.
nicely handled though guys.
HA!
Here's a message from Rudy:
"Xanth just gave me a warning and deleted two of my posts saying they violated policy but no details were provided.
Of course I violated no policy.
These mush fer brains leftists are terrified little kittens"
Quote from: Summerlander on May 14, 2011, 18:04:16
HA!
Here's a message from Rudy:
"Xanth just gave me a warning and deleted two of my posts saying they violated policy but no details were provided.
Of course I violated no policy.
These mush fer brains leftists are terrified little kittens"
Calling Xanth a "mush for brain leftie" will do it, yup :lol:
Quote from: Summerlander on May 14, 2011, 16:44:56
Well said, SomeRandom! :-D
By the way, I've been in touch with Rudy...
He's only got three words for all of you and it's not "I love you"
:roll:
^ That's why he was banned.
I wasn't about to continue to allow him to abuse the people of this forum with his verbal trash. I asked him to tone it down three times. He refused. As a single moderator (hell even when it was Stookie and myself) I don't have the time to moderate at channel 24/7 to make sure people play nice. I gave him chances... he blew them all.
I don't ban people. People ban themselves by their actions. Don't be a jerk... treat the other forum members with the respect they deserve... and follow the rules clearly posted at the top of the page. How hard is that to understand?
Also, if anyone really has any problems with any actions I do take... please feel free to PM Adrian.
I *CAN* make his removal temporary if everyone agrees. It's up to you guys, you'll be the ones mostly interacting with him. Let me know. In the absence of a full moderator team, I don't mind doing things this way.
Quote from: Fresco on May 14, 2011, 18:19:16
Calling Xanth a "mush for brain leftie" will do it, yup :lol:
I'm more... center right. ;)
Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 18:26:08
Also, if anyone really has any problems with any actions I do take... please feel free to PM Adrian.
good luck with that.
i would be happy for rudy to come back.
Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 18:39:57
i would be happy for rudy to come back.
I would rather hammer a 9 inch nail through my hip-bone.
Quite simply... when I PM someone to ask them to please respect our forum rules and they get back to me with the equivalent of "Screw you" along with his continuing smart butt comments... well, you do the math.
Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 18:48:51
... well, you do the math.
Instead of doing the math, can't I just register for an account on a math forum and start a new thread asking them to do the math FOR me? Without ever picking up a math book or even googling the word math?
That's how forums work, right?
lol
Quote from: Pharoah on May 14, 2011, 18:56:00
Instead of doing the math, can't I just register for an account on a math forum and start a new thread asking them to do the math FOR me? Without ever picking up a math book or even googling the word math?
That's how forums work, right?
lol
LOL Touche. :)
In any case, at the request of a couple individual, I've reduced his ban to a one week temporary ban.
Make it three individuals. Give him another chance. If he fucks up again, ban him for good. I'll tell him the news. I can't say it's good news on his part because he might be too snooty to come back. We'll see. I'll let you guys know what he said.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 14, 2011, 20:14:27
Make it three individuals. Give him another chance. If he fucks up again, ban him for good. I'll tell him the news. I can't say it's good news on his part because he might be too snooty to come back. We'll see. I'll let you guys know what he said.
Dude, can you not go three posts without swearing? You're like a sailor or something... ROFL
I've already notified him. You don't have to say a thing.
Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 18:27:54
I'm more... center right. ;)
Thats funny cause I'm exactly the same - centre-right.
I'm socially very liberal, but fiscally conservative
why didn't the pulse filter his profanity?
Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 19:01:49
In any case, at the request of a couple individual, I've reduced his ban to a one week temporary ban.
Is it possible to ban someone over the period of a year? I mean, the difference between a week and permanent is quite big. In a year people get to think things over. With a perm ban, there is nothing to do right the next time, as there is no next time.
Quote from: personalreality on May 15, 2011, 10:18:28
why didn't the pulse filter his profanity?
Because there are ways around it. :)
Which I should probably fix.
Quote from: Fresco on May 14, 2011, 21:35:14
Thats funny cause I'm exactly the same - centre-right.
I'm socially very liberal, but fiscally conservative
You're a Green then!! :D
you know, i'm not an anarchist, i do believe in some form of government.
but certainly not "democracy" or pretty much anything that goes on in our world today.
i'm down with plato and the whole philosopher-king idea.
like shaman's from the old religion, the "before-time". they were basically the leaders of the tribe. they chose the king and they mediated the energies of the otherworlds for the betterment of the tribe.
our excuse for politics today is pathetic imo, and anyone who thinks there is any virtue in our modern political system is just plain dumb in my mind. i don't blame you, it's not your fault, this is how you were raised. doesn't mean it's the best option though.
Quote from: personalreality on May 15, 2011, 10:18:28
why didn't the pulse filter his profanity?
Because I'm an adult.