Title: perfection
Post by: jilola on November 01, 2002, 08:49:44
Post by: jilola on November 01, 2002, 08:49:44
You trying to suck our brains dry? ![]("http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif")
Perfection is an extrapolation from relative goodness. If A is better than B and C is better than B then is there something that is better than anythinhg else, ie. perfect.
Perfection is relative for us. Individuals measure their acts against those of others. If we choose to define ouselves as the center of our individual universes and the only inhabitant therein then conceivably we could define anything we do as perfect. But we have others in our universes and thus a something to compare to.
For a God, if it is a unique being, perfection is absolute as there is nothing to compare with. Since their nis nothing to contrast anything god does is perfect for the god
2cents
jouni
Perfection is an extrapolation from relative goodness. If A is better than B and C is better than B then is there something that is better than anythinhg else, ie. perfect.
Perfection is relative for us. Individuals measure their acts against those of others. If we choose to define ouselves as the center of our individual universes and the only inhabitant therein then conceivably we could define anything we do as perfect. But we have others in our universes and thus a something to compare to.
For a God, if it is a unique being, perfection is absolute as there is nothing to compare with. Since their nis nothing to contrast anything god does is perfect for the god
2cents
jouni
Title: perfection
Post by: fredhedd on November 01, 2002, 11:50:38
Post by: fredhedd on November 01, 2002, 11:50:38
i dunno, i may be trying to suck your brains dry. maybe the more energy i get you all to exert thinking the more i suck in :)
better and better equals something better than that equals perfect? that doesnt make any sense to me. why can't the better just keep getting better?
i don't know about relative perfect. i'm talking about where did the idea come from in the first place? think about it. someone had to say ..wait, there has to be something w/ absolutely nothing wrong w/ it. where did that come from? was something seen or even imagined?
i dislike analogies but...say u hit a bullseye. perfect shot. someone comes along and does it w/ their eyes closed. also perfect, correct? which one was better? can't be better than the first shot because it was perfect right? circles
better and better equals something better than that equals perfect? that doesnt make any sense to me. why can't the better just keep getting better?
i don't know about relative perfect. i'm talking about where did the idea come from in the first place? think about it. someone had to say ..wait, there has to be something w/ absolutely nothing wrong w/ it. where did that come from? was something seen or even imagined?
i dislike analogies but...say u hit a bullseye. perfect shot. someone comes along and does it w/ their eyes closed. also perfect, correct? which one was better? can't be better than the first shot because it was perfect right? circles
Title: perfection
Post by: jilola on November 01, 2002, 12:03:00
Post by: jilola on November 01, 2002, 12:03:00
quote:
why can't the better just keep getting better?
It can keep getting better. And it should because the moment we decide that we have attained perfection (whatever we define that to be) our advancement and progress stops. Now that would be true death.
Infinity is not a neat idea for a lot of people and thus a limited amount of goodness is what folks have settled with. Personally I don't have much truck with perfection.
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which one was better? can't be better than the first shot because it was perfect right? circles
That depends on how you value the goodness of the shots. Is the valuation based on distance from the center or on how hard it was to accomplish?
Not circles then if you keep the criteria constant.
2cents
jouni
Title: perfection
Post by: Arie on November 01, 2002, 13:26:29
Post by: Arie on November 01, 2002, 13:26:29
I wonder how someone would define perfection outside of time and space. Maybe there is a God that is static.....who always was perfect and always will be perfect.....the first I AM. Then maybe there's a God inside of time and space who evolves.....and is not perfect in the beginning. But how can God not be perfect? That doesn't make sense. Maybe the God in time and space is perfect but can still evolve. But how can he evolve if he is perfect? Maybe the I AM was always perfect but he comes into time and space to know what its like to experience finiteness. I dunno. I guess there has to be different levels of God. I don't understand how God can love us if he doesn't understand us. Thats why I think there has to be a God that experiences finiteness. I wonder what eternity is like. Eternity being a place that time and space doesn't exist. I guess we really can't conceive of what that must be like.
I think I'm going to start another thread on worship. :-)
I think I'm going to start another thread on worship. :-)
Title: perfection
Post by: jilola on November 01, 2002, 13:29:54
Post by: jilola on November 01, 2002, 13:29:54
I view God as self-contained and static in the sense that he/she/it can't learn one thing and that is what it is to be individual among other individuals.
That's one reason why we are here, we provide the experiences over the several lifetimes.
And God loves us because we are sparks of the very godhood that created us.
2cents
jouni
That's one reason why we are here, we provide the experiences over the several lifetimes.
And God loves us because we are sparks of the very godhood that created us.
2cents
jouni
Title: perfection
Post by: fredhedd on November 11, 2002, 17:24:33
Post by: fredhedd on November 11, 2002, 17:24:33
these are more ideas on what a particular idea of perfection is. i'm talking about just the concept of it and where it came from. all of the ideas that have been come up w/ in general have been formed from simple ideas. more complex ideas are just simple ideas put together. the more complex it is the more simple ideas that were put together to form it. to get perfect from better and better and better is a huge jump. there isn't something that was built up to get it. since we have never see anything perfect how could we come up w/ an idea as complex as that? perfect is a complex concept. it may not seem that way because we are all so used to using the word.
Title: perfection
Post by: cainam_nazier on November 12, 2002, 08:54:33
Post by: cainam_nazier on November 12, 2002, 08:54:33
Perfect. Some thing that connot be improved, modified, or in any other way be made better than it is.
Artists, for the most part, consider a circle to be perfect. ANY deviation from it's design and it is no longer a circle. It either is or it isn't.
It is rumored that befor painting the Sisteen Chapel, Michelangelo was asked to prove his worth as an artist. He, with out any hesitation, free-handed a simple circle on a piece of paper. It was perfect in every way.
David Rogalski
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I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.
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Artists, for the most part, consider a circle to be perfect. ANY deviation from it's design and it is no longer a circle. It either is or it isn't.
It is rumored that befor painting the Sisteen Chapel, Michelangelo was asked to prove his worth as an artist. He, with out any hesitation, free-handed a simple circle on a piece of paper. It was perfect in every way.
David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.
http://www.prepaidliving.com/vip/David127385
Title: perfection
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2002, 13:33:52
Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2002, 13:33:52
Hey I've got one for you all-
Is it possible to deliberately meet your soulmate through astral projection if you don't know anything about them yet? And who says that you're ready to meet them yet? I just want to know if they're alive or dead and how to find out. I know sometimes you just have to let things take their course. But I also know that there are many false soulmates and only one true soulmate for everyone. So how do we tell the difference?
Arthur Dent sat in a chair that appeared to be made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus. Slartibartfast turned to him and said, "that chair was made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus."
Is it possible to deliberately meet your soulmate through astral projection if you don't know anything about them yet? And who says that you're ready to meet them yet? I just want to know if they're alive or dead and how to find out. I know sometimes you just have to let things take their course. But I also know that there are many false soulmates and only one true soulmate for everyone. So how do we tell the difference?
Arthur Dent sat in a chair that appeared to be made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus. Slartibartfast turned to him and said, "that chair was made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus."
Title: perfection
Post by: Tom on November 14, 2002, 13:58:07
Post by: Tom on November 14, 2002, 13:58:07
Perfection is effortless. If there is effort, it is not perfect. There are two sorts of effortlessness, though. There is ignorance that does not know to act. Then knowledge comes and breaks the ignorance. Innocence is regained while keeping knowledge. Effortlessness is regained with innocence.
Title: perfection
Post by: jilola on November 14, 2002, 14:57:55
Post by: jilola on November 14, 2002, 14:57:55
I've met two soulmates in person and boy were they learning lessons.
Why would you think there's only one soul mate per person?
2cents
jouni
Why would you think there's only one soul mate per person?
2cents
jouni
Title: perfection
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on November 14, 2002, 18:48:35
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on November 14, 2002, 18:48:35
Perfection is our goal.
fides quaerens intellectum
fides quaerens intellectum
Title: perfection
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2002, 10:37:25
Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2002, 10:37:25
It is my belief that there is only one true soulmate per person. Most people never meet their true soulmate. In the USA, how do you explain the high divorce rate? If you had more than one soulmate, wouldn't that be confusing? If it came down to it, who would you want to spend your life with? Think about it. You could be married and then meet someone else who could do for you what your wife or husband does. That is why I believe that there are false soulmates. They look like the real thing and feel like the real thing but when it all boils down, only your real soulmate can grow with you throughout your life.
Arthur Dent sat in a chair that appeared to be made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus. Slartibartfast turned to him and said, "that chair was made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus."
Arthur Dent sat in a chair that appeared to be made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus. Slartibartfast turned to him and said, "that chair was made out of the skeleton of a stegosaurus."
Title: perfection
Post by: jilola on November 15, 2002, 16:31:44
Post by: jilola on November 15, 2002, 16:31:44
This is getting a bit off topic but...
The way I see soulmates is that they are souls we have had several previous lifetimes together and have formed what could be called a study group together. During a lifetime the soulmates teach and learn lessons from each other and from the environment.
I know for a fact that I have met two soulmates this time and the lesson was as far as I can tell that love doesn't mean one can live with someone and that love doesn't end when two souls separate. Painful lesson too, and I had to do it twice before it sank into my thick skull.
There are obviously lives where we do spend most of it with a soulmate but I think most of the time we don't.
Being married to one soulmate and the meeting another? That would be something, but I believe it wouldn't be that big of a problem. Probably one wouldn't recognize thhe other as a soulmate if one were already committed to a life with another.
2cents
jouni
The way I see soulmates is that they are souls we have had several previous lifetimes together and have formed what could be called a study group together. During a lifetime the soulmates teach and learn lessons from each other and from the environment.
I know for a fact that I have met two soulmates this time and the lesson was as far as I can tell that love doesn't mean one can live with someone and that love doesn't end when two souls separate. Painful lesson too, and I had to do it twice before it sank into my thick skull.
There are obviously lives where we do spend most of it with a soulmate but I think most of the time we don't.
Being married to one soulmate and the meeting another? That would be something, but I believe it wouldn't be that big of a problem. Probably one wouldn't recognize thhe other as a soulmate if one were already committed to a life with another.
2cents
jouni
Title: perfection
Post by: Kenneth on November 15, 2002, 17:01:06
Post by: Kenneth on November 15, 2002, 17:01:06
In my view perfection is best defined as "Without resistance from the inside".
...But it is getting late, so the explenation must have to wait to another day ;-) ...
/Kenneth
--- One thing at a time, be in NOW, and be gentle to yourself ---
...But it is getting late, so the explenation must have to wait to another day ;-) ...
/Kenneth
--- One thing at a time, be in NOW, and be gentle to yourself ---
Title: perfection
Post by: fredhedd on November 01, 2002, 04:18:07
Post by: fredhedd on November 01, 2002, 04:18:07
what is perfection? how do you know? have you or we ever actually seen anything truly perfect? if not, where did the idea come from in the first place?
if there is a god, is that god perfect? if that god is perfect is that god capable of making anything imperfect?
if there is a god, is that god perfect? if that god is perfect is that god capable of making anything imperfect?