Guilt and Desire

[joya250]

hi Kerri,

I hear what you are saying, and it pretty much echoes how I feel.

However, I think it is missing a critical element.  Yes, desire is not "bad"... and most definitely yes should we freely partake of life's pleasures, as it is our "birthright" so to speak. (And who says we only learn things the "hard way"?  I prefer to learn things enjoyably)  BUT only if it in is line with our "true" nature.  

Not all "desires" are based on the highest good.  One, for example, might desire to enact their force over others against their will.  As this is contradictory to the flow of things (IMO) then I believe guilt acts as a signal that something is off-balance, and alignment with the Higher Self has not yet been acheived.

But, generally, yes, what you are saying is true.  If you are allowing the highest vibration of love to flow through you and are open to experiences to promote yours and other's highest good, then, hey desire can be fun!!!

[Lighthouse]

Joya,

Thanks for bringing up the true nature and forcing against theor will thing.  I want to be clear on this because there are certain people who have slammed me in the past in related topics by telling me that ti made Hitler happy to kill millions... This is not what I'm talking about... Nor am I talking about child abuse and neglect in the interests of our desires.  Thanks for seeking clarity on that one.  

What I am saying is that we needn't feel responsible for other people's feelings (people close to us... adult people) if we want to do something and someone else doesn't want us to do it.  That is imprisonment... When someone keeps another from experiencing their desires because of a fear...

For example, we all know that many parents try to live vicariously through their children... They want them to be in Little League or to become a doctor, etc.  These things may not be right for the kids and may in fact go against their nature.  Perhaps the child wants to be an artist and has not interest in baseball or becoming a doctor.  By the parents imposing what they feel is right for the child, they (often times, I'm not saying always) imprison the child in a cycle of guilt, and this is doing an injustice to another human being... telling them that their own judgment is faulty.  

If on the other hand, the child says, you know what, I know this is what you want for me but I have not interest in doing that... I am going to be an artist because that is what I love, I think 2 things will happen.  First, that child will live a happier life because they are following the desires theit heart.  second, the collective whole will be happier because someone else in the world is following their true calling and bringing more joy into the world.

Kerri

[Blissful]

I think I understand what you mean and I do believe that guilt is a wasted emotion.. however, we also have free will regardless of what others try to do to us. If we are caged in by fear that's because we allow ourselves to be caged in.  

On the other side of the coin, there are a lot of things I wished I could explore or actually pursue certain desires that I have but I wouldnt necessarily do it.  This is where rational mind, intelligence and balance comes into play.  We as humans will always have to work on that part of us (guilt, desire) but when I am really confused.. I just pray for clarity and direction from the universe.  If we are meant to pursue certain desires I believe that the angels/God/universe will give us signs or "coincidences" to lead us there if we ask.



Blissful

[volcomstone]

our desire is an interpretation of god's will.
however our imperfect vessel will make translation errors.

if god wants green, some will get red.
I suppose it depends on your own true understanding of it.  You cannot give something instructions unless there is a way to decode it.  Im not going to  give english instructions to a japanese speaking person.

If you don't have the necessary language or training to truly understand the will of god, than you mess it up. So is ignorance is the tool of the devil?
which is also why blind faith is a form of ignorance?
is it a cop-out to say "just believe"?

I know I can only learn things better if I ask questions.  Even if there is an interpretation barrier, asking more questions seems to only increase the understanding of god's will.

and what if god's will is anti-humanitarian in nature? are you fit enough to make the judgment call that the human race is to be eterminated?  (<-----its a good thing to hesitate an answer for that one. I hope. Amesty interomnipotental?)

*the last post was hypocritical in nature*

[Lighthouse]

Hi Everyone!!!

Before I begin... sorry if this seems a bit esoteric for some, I'm trying to communicate a very simple yet rather unorthodox viewpoint so please bear with me.  

Last week, in my church my minister talked about how whenever we have a desire or a longing, that desire is God knocking on our door of consciousness wanting to experience the results of that desire through us.  (or something like that)

I brought this up to a friend after thinking about it and he confirmed this in his own words, but expanded upon the idea... Here's what we came up with:

You (or I) are an expression of collective consciousness (otherwise known as God) and when we desire something, that is the Whole (collective consciousness or God) impressing upon you the desire to expereince something through you as an indivilual expression of the whole.  You are the whole and you are the Collective consciousness... but seemingly as an individual or separate from the whole (separation is an illusion.)  If this is true,which I believe to be the case, and our individual desires are really the desires of the Whole, wouldn't the whole only want good for itself?  Therefore, our desires are the collective whole impressing upon us the desire to experience certain expereinces through us individually.

If this is the case, and we are merely expressions of the collective Whole and all of our wants and desires are also the desires of the collective whole, (because that is what we are) what's the use of Guilt?  It seems like a pretty useless emotion to me.... Because if the collective whole is impressing upon us individually our innermost desires since we are individualls and the collective whole at once (hologram,) our desires have to be the desires of the collective whole   and this has to be good for the collective whole because the collective whole would only want what would make it happy...Correct?

Please give your input.  Also, if this is too confusing, please let me know and I'll try to clean it up a bit.

Kerri