Hello all, I just want to put this out there.
I am currently on probation for a year over a charge of possession of marijuana (less than 2 ounces) and it kills me. It kills me because I can not deal with the fact that they have control over my life. My mind, spirit, and body is my own I have every right to do what I want with it yet they can bend me to their will. I have been like this for a long time but I believe that if I can not have control over my body then no one will. I normally would never consider suicide (and I can be sober mind you, I am not an addict) but it is evil what they can and will do to me (and I know I don't have it worse in the world but that is besides the point anyways here isn't it?). I really don't want to die by my own hands but I have not a choice, please someone take me from this state, from this world, from this dimension, anything to free me. I don't know if I can let myself die because I don't want it to affect my family and friends but if it were just me in this family I would already be dead. God knows what binding hands does to a free mind like mine, let free be free.
This is not a matter of doing what I don't want but a matter of not being able to do what I want. I don't mind going down to the probation office once a month and doing community service for another being's well-being. Dam it, I wanna vaporize what I want, when I want, how I want, and where I want. It is my birthright in the name of God to have free-will over myself, it is God dam wrong for them to have free-will over me or anyone other than themselves. To hell with them and all who follow in their path to lust of power and control.
I am but a man, a man who wants to get high. I don't need to get high, in fact I take tolerance breaks for weeks at a time ON MY OWN. I just need my control over myself and what happens to me.
Deliver me from this man-made hell, whether through death or life. And do not tell me what to do, you may suggest and voice your own opinion, but you do not own me either, mind that and we'll be cool.
Edit: removed cursing, though I do not consider "dam" (sorry I can't spell it or it will change my word) a curse word as it is an action/verb and it applies to my thread so please do not punish me for not breaking the cursing rule.
I have found events such as these to be one of life's lessons. A would be thief gets caught earlier in life stealing bubble gum. Had that person not have gotten caught early in their life, they might have in the future with Grand Larceny or something. Possibly your current dilemma is to help you avoid a much more serious offense or addiction. When I was 18 years old I was walking into a party with a group of friends. I had been looking forward to this party for weeks, since this guy threw great parties. I had a case of beer on my shoulder and was walking through the door when I felt like I got electrocuted. I stepped back for a minute, literally shocked, then proceeded to walk in again. But once again I got the electric shock. I turned to my friend, handed him my case of beer and turned around and left. I was extremely annoyed, I felt left out, I was angry. So, I went down to the river and just sat there, feeling sorry for myself. After about a hour I went home. The next day I found out that party got busted by the police and over 30 kids received minors. I learned there and then that everything happens for a reason. We may not understand that reason at first, some times it takes years to, but some day you will.
Contemplating or even bringing up the idea of Suicide for this is just plain wrong. You have total control over your body at all times. No body can stop what you think, how you move, but they can unfortunately limit the way you do things. We know the Laws, if we break them, that is our choice, but you also have to ready to accept the consequences. You are an adult now, 18 years of age and that's what adults do.
If I have total control over my body then why can't I choose the way I feel and morph into something that will make them flee in terror and give up on their obstructional laws they currently refuse to give up.
Suicide is not brought up for this reason, it is loss of control, I have felt this oppression for far too long and I put it off for the reefer and now the reefer has been put down.
Just so you know I've tried to kill myself 4 times not because of or for weed.
Edit: I was born into this country, I was not given a choice of the laws I would be forced to obey, if I could leave this place, I would, but I can't. Btw, I don't care if I lived on dirt and had to hunt to survive as I've had survival training before.
Darklon,
All I can say is try to have OBE's as often as you can. This will make your life more enjoyable. There is no one that can take away your freedom to have OBE's.
Quote from: todd421757 on May 08, 2012, 19:50:35
Darklon,
All I can say is try to have OBE's as often as you can. This will make your life more enjoyable. There is no one that can take away you freedom to have OBE's.
The problem is no matter how hard I try, it seems I can't project. I have spent so much time trying and looking up so many methods and doing so much research it seems that my body doesn't go into sleep paralysis.
Quote from: Darklon on May 08, 2012, 20:18:40
The problem is no matter how hard I try, it seems I can't project. I have spent so much time trying and looking up so many methods and doing so much research it seems that my body doesn't go into sleep paralysis.
What type of OBE techniques have you already tried? Have you ever got vibrations before? What is the closest you came to an OBE?
Quote from: todd421757 on May 08, 2012, 20:21:54
What type of OBE techniques have you already tried? Have you ever got vibrations before? What is the closest you came to an OBE?
I have tried WBTB before though I don't like it because I just end up going to sleep and I hate ruining my sleep cycle in the first place.
I have tried just laying down waiting for my body to think I am asleep with meditation.
I have tried Lucidology techniques.
I have received vibrations before and that is the closest.
Darklon,
Check out this free ebook that has 66 projection techniques. I currently use two of the projection techniques on a regular basis. Hopefully you can find some in the book that you like.
I currently use exit technique #2 and exit technique #30.
Copy the entire link in your browser to download the ebook. It is called 66 astral projection techniques.
http://shopofenlightenment.com/forum/66astralprojectiontechniques.pdf
I can't open the link
first, it took me a LONG time to project, years. it's worth the effort, really.
second, read a book called "The Myth of Sisyphus" by Albert Camus (or just read the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus) - the book itself it thick with the words of a philosopher, i had to read it a few times, which was good but tedious). the important point is chapter one.
third, i know the feeling. i haven't ever been on probation, but i had a seizure and had my license taken away. the crippling lack of freedom of choice drives one crazy.
marijuana laws are stupid. everyone knows that no one causes trouble, kills people, dies, etc. from pot. yet the booze flows freely, which is the point, it emphasizes your whole point. that's what they want. they want you to be a drunken idiot rather than a happy smoker because it shows that even when you weren't on probation, they still had complete control of you. that's the nature of this place.
i've never been able to justify suicide, i won't tell you not to do it, that's not my choice. i think it's dumb. life is a brilliant thing, and for all you know, you only get one and while your atoms will reabsorb into the cosmos, none of us living REALLY knows what happens to our consciousness, our essence. you may just be gone. so instead of victimizing yourself in what is an unjust but relatively short sentence, suffer the indignity and realize that this is no difference from your life before you got caught, you're just aware of it now. you just gotta deal with it and do what you can.
Darklon,
Try this link instead. It should work.
http://shopofenlightenment.com/forum/66astralprojectiontechniques.pdf
I've always said that projection is an insanely subjective and personal experience. i don't think any technique you read will teach you how. it will show you a path, but you have to travel the path and learn it's subtleties, it's true direction. you can't learn that from anyone but yourself.
Nevertheless, I'll share how I got out for the first time, maybe it will help, maybe it won't.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/how_i_got_out_for_the_first_time-t30942.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/how_i_got_out_for_the_first_time-t30942.0.html)
I would just like to say thank you for the responses so far and thank you for the .pdf, I will take a look at it some time.
I overlooked the possibility of a medical problem from lack of freedom LMAO, although they would most likely diagnose me for depression I would like to know if that could be related to something else. I don't want a doctor to think I am depressed as that isn't really my case, perhaps it could be seen as anxiety?
Sorry for double-post but I have also been searching for a Kundalini awakening as means to change my life, that may be important. I've also been trying to lucid dream but I hardly ever get one.
let me say one thing to you, when you study the words and traditions of the world, especially in regards to things of a spiritual or metaphysical nature, tread lightly and be mindful. the problem is that you create expectations based on what other's say they've experienced. kundalini awakening is one that i find most distasteful. kundalini awakening is built from an ancient indian culture, a culture that westerners know nothing about. yea, i can read a book about indian culture (which i have, i studied a lot of religion in college), but i didn't live it. i didn't grow up with what it really means. words are misleading. they try to express concepts that are indefinable. for example, you and i both know what happy means right? well not really. each of us has had a lifetime of experiences that have slowly but surely created a unique concept of what happiness is. so i may say to you, "i'm happy", but when you hear it you instantly associate that happiness with what happiness means through the stimuli and experiences that have shaped your perception of reality. so you see, words, even the simple ones i'm writing now mean next to nothing because only i can know what they really mean. kind of makes this whole communication thing seem useless right? :lol: but hey, what can we do?
anyway, we were raised in western culture, particularly american (i'm assuming, if you're not american, i'm sorry for the assumption). so for us to try to grasp something on a conceptual level from a culture that is literally alien to the culture we perceive the world through is futile. make your own reality. don't put pressure on trying to achieve OBE or lucid dreams. instead just quietly focus on your mind and learn what reality really is, what reality is through the genetics and environment you were born into. you weren't born here and now for no reason. you can't look outside to what others have done to find out what you need to do. your answers can only be found in you, through the reality you live everyday.
So you have woken up to the tyranni, gratulations it's the first step to freedom. Most people are still asleep. Our mission in the world is to topple the elite controllers.
Quote from: Darklon on May 08, 2012, 20:18:40
I have spent so much time trying and looking up so many methods and doing so much
research it seems that my body doesn't go into sleep paralysis.
Buhlman considers the vibrational stage the first and perhaps the important stage.
If you can get there, things could improve. TMI Gateway Wave 6, CD 1, can produce
vibrations in most people. The tracks are called things like "
Experiencing Locale I",
where
Locale I is a superset of some of the Focus Levels and is from Monroe's first book.
Otherwise, go for LD techniques and for example use Buhlman's methods to turn your
LD into an OBE, as explained on his site or in his first book.
If possible also get hold of S Muldoon's book from the 1920ies where he explains
how he turns LDs (called "dream true" at the time) into OBEs.
My reviews are in the Book Reviews section of the Astralpulse Forum.
And what if an experienced projector doesn't ever attain the mystical vibrational state?
Does Buhlman recognize that as well?
Quote from: Xanth on May 09, 2012, 19:11:52
And what if an experienced projector doesn't ever attain the mystical vibrational state?
Does Buhlman recognize that as well?
Here is a message I found while doing a search on astral pulse. It took me three times reading it until I understood it. I think it is a very interesting post. It gives a valid description of the vibration metaphor.
Quote from: soulbringer on August 07, 2007, 11:54:33
the reason you do not get the vibrations is because you are not entering the astral realm from the hypnagogic state, (you don't get sleep paralysis) and therefore your consciousness is already separated from your body. You are, as far as your awareness goes, skipping this first stage of voluntary separation. I assume you project from a lucid dream?
If you read the literature, it is a well known fact that the vibrations are present, and a prerequisite, in successful separation attempts from the hypnagogic-state. Separation without them occurs only in instances of trauma, NDE, or projection from the dream state (in which case you are already out of your body).
According to the latest scientific research into the nature of consciousness, the computational processes in the brain are occurring on a quantum level within dendrites in the brain. See Dr. Stuart Hameroff's www.quantumconsciounsess.com The implication is that consciousness is not in the brain, but rather perceiving through the brain from a non-localized position.
Formation of the astral energy body is achieved by consciousness' ultilization of the vibrational energy generated by the Vehram System. Because this system is in close proximity to the physical body, one might assume that a continuous, albeit weak, charging of the astral vehicle is always occuring. While the vibrations would not be perceivable, separation could still be achieved as a result, but would only occur in a very slow and difficult process, as appears to be the case. Particularly in many circumstances whereby the experiencer is able to achieve only partial separation, or none at all, without the vibrations being present, it would be logical to assume that the astral body itself is not formed sufficiently to support separation.
While a few - individuals like yourself who have developed a high level of proficiency in achieving and maintaining alternate states - may be able to achieve a state of separation without the vibrations, most find it too difficult, or completely impossible. That is not to say that it really is impossible. But there are fundamentals as mentioned above that are governing this process. If one fails to incorporate the fundamentals, difficulty in success can always be expected.
Quote from: Everlasting on May 09, 2012, 10:29:30
So you have woken up to the tyranni, gratulations it's the first step to freedom. Most people are still asleep. Our mission in the world is to topple the elite controllers.
How would I bring down the tyrants, prevent others from coming to power, and not become one myself? I believe in true freedom that cannot be achieved in our current world without living in isolation. I only wish that we beings as a human race would evolve sooner into spiritual beings of happiness, love, and peace without the hunger for power, control, and manipulation over others.
Todd421757, the post you quoted seems to be saying that vibrations are a prerequisite for entering the astral from the hypnagogic state, or that it takes a lot of effort to avoid them. If so, that contradicts a lot of my experiences. In most of my experiences shifting between Focus 12 (hypnagogia) and Focus 21 (I consider this the astral, since it responds to thought well), at most I got a sensation of rushing forward, and in the few recent cases (shifting into a scene included) it was just a "Well, here I am." And I am in no way highly proficient at phasing.
Chris J,
What is your definition of the hypnagogic state? When do you have a projection -- while going to bed at night, middle of your sleep, or in the early morning hours? How would you describe Focus 21? Do you ever project into the real-time zone (etheric plane)? Do you primarily project from lucid dreams or from the awake state?
I will need these answers to know why you don't get vibrations?
I responded to your post via PM.
Quote from: Xanth on May 09, 2012, 19:11:52
And what if an experienced projector doesn't ever attain the mystical vibrational state?
Does Buhlman recognize that as well?
I think Buhlman in his 16 000 persons research study has come to the conclusion
that more than 70 % of the people has reported the vibrational state, so he thinks
it is most important.
Some people who OBE from waking up from sleep into SP may not experience it.
Also experienced OBE:ers may have such a developed non-physical body (either
developed during previous lives or from extreme natural talent in this life), that
they don't ever experience any vibrations, they just smoothly flow from one state
to another, according to Buhlman.
But most people, more than 70 %, start their OBEs like old tractors. :)
And with the vibrational state being the common phenomena to so many people,
Buhlman thinks it is very important to achieve OBE.
If you enter an LD, Buhlman points out that it is a low powered state which can
be turned into an OBE. But as it is only an LD, entered from sleep and not fully
out in the astral, you may not experience any vibrations. In one radio interview
Monroe also pointed out that LDs are occurring in Focus 15, so you are kind of
stuck there.
Furhter, Buhlman thinks that what we experience in our OBEs are most often not
what really are out there in the wider reality. When Buhlman goes beyond the
astral he has found that the real non-physical is "formless", so getting stuck
in LDs with forms, almost like life on Earth (or a fantasy Earth) is not a real
OBE and that may be the reason too, why you feel no vibrations.
Hi,
Im another with only 3 vibrational states ever. Ive been into the RTZ and many other places too. Most from a dream state or after waking part way through the night. One a recent occasion I was seeing something which did occur a few days later and left this state to go into the RTZ to see if it existed, which it did. On other occasions Ive gone to the RTZ directly through phasing. It works the same for other intents to go astral too, still no vibrations. I do notice noises not natural for the physical very often and have taken these as a vibrational other. Without the presence of these noises there no outing.
Anything on this?
Quote from: Szaxx on May 10, 2012, 07:50:18
Hi,
Im another with only 3 vibrational states ever. Ive been into the RTZ and many other places too. Most from a dream state or after waking part way through the night. I do notice noises not natural for the physical very often and have taken these as a vibrational other. Without the presence of these noises there no outing.
Anything on this?
Try practicing an OBE technique that uses absolutely no visualizations. Instead use internal and/or external sound awareness (my favorite) or you can also use etheric sense awareness (an example of this would be Robert Bruce's new energy ways). Both of these methods will lead to a gradual separation of the energy body which has vibrations present (may be intense or weak depending on how deep your sleep paralysis is). There may be many other ways than these two methods.
Methods for OBE's which have vibrations present:
--Trance method "floating out of the body"
--Trance method or near sleep method of "stepping out of the body"
The following types of projection techniques don't usually have vibrations present (note they all involve visualizations).
--Starting projections by means of visualizations (it is meant real seen inner movies)
--Projection by intense and plastic imagination of a well known place.
--Tunnel methods
--Starting projections after a dream phase
Does this mean when vibrations are not present, you are not having a real OBE that involves the energy body? That is a good question that I have been trying to find the answer to. Does the very act of visualizing and using your sight (whether physical or etheric) automatically throw you into a subjective projection state? Do all dreams involve some sort of visualization? Answering these questions might propel OBE's into a scientific category that is worthy of research.
Hi,
The trance method staying concious is one I do use. Recently the games topic I started was one. I set the intent for some games with nothing in particular places or events. Started to relax and before the F10 blackness fully appeared I was travelling through some white rings surrounded by the blackness for around 1 min and ended up at the scene.
Another intent set at the RTZ near water sent me to a lake from phasing via the 3d blackness. Again no vibrations.
Waking with sleep paralysis is another one not experienced too.
I've been active with this since 1964 and the intent was the required key needed.
Interesting proposition to find a way to obtain them. Something to think about as most texts say the procedure to produce them, doesn't, but the exit does...
Quote from: Szaxx on May 10, 2012, 13:26:58
Something to think about as most texts say the procedure to produce them, doesn't, but the exit does...
:-)
There are simply different manifestations of the same "energy phenonenon", which can be tactile (for example vibrations), visual, or auditory.
Even if you have no vibrations, there is still a "vibrational" pattern to having visual or auditory sensations, whcich can for example manifest in terms of stroboscopic light effects, or beating sounds.
Usually, their frequency increases as you progress through the transition, whether tacticle, visual or auditory.
The white rings Szaxx mentions, for example, is a manifestation of such a visual energetic pattern.
Hence, I think it makes sense to refer to all these sensations as energy sensations, vibrational or otherwise.
If you experience none of these effects during the transition, in whatever form, then that usually means you lack control and are stumbling blindly into the out of body state.
I know it has become popular to claim "I don't experience energy sensations anymore" or I dont experience vibrations" because people feel that is somehow more advanced.
But usually it's the exact opposite, where the absence of energy sensations means you intiate the transition from a clouded state of awareness, or when you are already deep inside the hypnangogic state.
Transitions do become smoother over time, and it is even possible to keep energy sensations to an almost absolute minimum, but that is something quite different than what usually happens to most people, and quite difficult to do if you initiate the OBE in a controlled manner from the waking state.
Quote from: Major Tom on May 10, 2012, 16:00:11
I know it has become popular to claim "I don't experience energy sensations anymore" or I dont experience vibrations" because people feel that is somehow more advanced.
But usually it's the exact opposite, where the absence of energy sensations means you intiate the transition from a clouded state of awareness, or when you are already deep inside the hypnangogic state.
Thanks Major Tom for the reply.
Hi,
Have you read that book with 66 ways to exit yet Darklon?
Its a fast read and the info is basic but right to the point without unnecessary text.
Have a think if any of these techniques seem easy for you and let us know how your tries went.
We can help you get out. The trips out this way far exceed the chemical attempts and you've total control. It takes a bit of getting used to the physics of it all but its cool learning the ropes in some of the planes you could visit.
Your intentions are strong and with this same thought you will succeed.
Quote from: todd421757 on May 10, 2012, 16:07:24
Thanks Major Tom for the reply.
I think you're on the right track Todd with several of your observations.
Quote from: Szaxx on May 10, 2012, 17:09:46
Hi,
Have you read that book with 66 ways to exit yet Darklon?
Its a fast read and the info is basic but right to the point without unnecessary text.
Have a think if any of these techniques seem easy for you and let us know how your tries went.
We can help you get out. The trips out this way far exceed the chemical attempts and you've total control. It takes a bit of getting used to the physics of it all but its cool learning the ropes in some of the planes you could visit.
Your intentions are strong and with this same thought you will succeed.
Tomorrow is friday and I don't have school on the weekend so I'll probably read it.
Hi,
Excellent, find some method you like and give it a go.
You should remember that trying too hard is not going to work. Lazily go through the steps not careing about anything with the thought of it will work in the end. So many give up trying and then project soon after.
Keep us posted
Hey.
I'm on probation too.
What happened was basically I noticed that North America is a BS set up, and they butchered the Natives and that's why the charters and constitutions don't mean anything. If they meant something, there would be no need for other laws, but it's all a farce.
So I fought the medication, and attacked my nurse with black magick.
Later that day, I heard the cops were coming to get me, so I put up a barricade. They got in. I fought them with the same magick sword, got shot in the head. They claim it was a tazer, but a tazer wouldn't leave that much blood on the floor. I was calling on the names of Jehovah and Christ, they pulled me through. I screamed like a little baby in the cuffs after all that cursing, and my shoulder was broken and dislocated.
So they stiched the hole in my head shut with a skin graft in emergency surgery, and waited about three days before they did anything about my arm. They also gave me another injection, which was bogus. I had to spend a week in hospital in the big city, and they did a major surgery to put my shoulder back together with some kind of grafts on the inside, left a horrible scar.
They didn't take me to court until later. I've lost track of time, I don't know what year it is. I think it's supposed to be 2012, but I could be off. So much has happened.
So I'm not supposed to drink or do pot. I've been honest, and told my guy that I've had some. He's warning me, I have to quit. It's BS!!! The whole thing reaks of anti christ, false god and tyrant god as one.
And to top it off, the power company has well charged me for three months power, I owe thousands of dollars that I'll never pay, especially now that welfare service has cut off my rent money, claiming my house isn't worth paying rent for. They are trying to bring me down completely. Strand me broke with nowhere to go but directly under their control.
And now certain people are talking BS to me, trying to confuse me. That's how it starts. People make up so much crap that you don't know what reality is, then, they operate in secret, fill your blood with urine, and say 'oh well he's crazy'. Believe me, My Father Jesus will save us, both you and me.
Try prayer, try very specific banishings and invocations and evocations. Try visualization of the most intense, brightest light that you can. I've been confused for years, but since I started staring directly into the sun, time has slowed down so much that I almost have the motivation to start playing video games again. You can beat this. Before you stare directly into the sun, find a pond or puddle of water, and stare at the reflection of the sun. When your eyes get strong enough, you'll stop seeing the imprint, and can move on directly to the higher object. I have tunnel vision, because of the meds and the computers combined.
Have faith in Christ. PM me if you need more information. Today was a slow, sad day, filled with beauty and good will. Life is gonna change. Personally, I don't believe that you have too or should seperate the energy body. After visualizations and energy work, you can phantasy and create your own astral plane. Until your energy body becomes celestial! So think about that. I'm sorry. For people who live in security, it's one thing, for a guy that has vamps on him all day long and parasites feeding on his very fleshly staff, it ain't gonna work for me. They'll take over my body and kill everything I love. So I can't do it like that.