Projecting to a Black Hole

[Nerezza]

I've always wondered about this, but seeing how blackholes are still part of the physical, I can't see how they could effect something out of it. Unless of course they transcend the physical.

[no_leaf_clover]

if black holes don't put warps into other dimensions, they certainly come close, and there are plenty of signs of this though there is no physical way to tell for sure. the fact that their gravity holds in light is a good sign, since light is one of the more less-physical things in the physical universe. we can't even really explain light in scientific terms, nor sound. there are only theories on 'vibrations' and 'frequencies' that are widely accepted and relate to higher dimensions.. ie: light has a higher 'frequency' than a rock. but does light have a higher frequency than things in the astral? if so then black wholes could affect things in the astral. light seems to be in all spiritual dimensions in one form or another. something to think about i guess..

a black hole shouldnt hurt you, though. i just think of an astral body as simply a point of consciousness that you can decorate with your subconscious, but i've never ap'ed so i wouldn't really know. anyways.. i doubt a black hole could destroy your consciousness.. hmm.. i'd try it out if i could. i don't see anything to worry about. actually sounds interesting.

[Terry B]

Only one way to find out...

[Lasher]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
i doubt a black hole could destroy your consciousness.. hmm.. i'd try it out if i could. i don't see anything to worry about. actually sounds interesting.

A Future Post:

Hey!  Anyone heard from no_leaf_clover?  He hasn't posted in ages.  Last I heard, he had experienced his first OBE and was planning to check out a black hole... [:O]

Lasher

[bomohwkl]

According the book of Thiaoouba Prophency(www.thiaoouba.com) that aour astral body  consists of electrons. Then, in a black hole, your astral body will be crunched until you couldn't escape. According to Dr Tom J.Chalko , black hole doesn't exist. I really don't know.
Probably gravity is not due to fundamental of matter but rather the certain strange aspect of electromagnetism. According to this hypothesis, infinitely dense matter will not give black hole. And probably there is no such thing as infintely dense matter, it is just the lack of understanding.
However, from the spiritual view, there is no harm projecting yourself into surposely black hole.I have projected myself into an atom before.

[no_leaf_clover]

Another Future Post:

Hi, Lasher. This is Matt, one of Brian's (no_leaf_clover's) friends. I'm sorry to be the one to break this bad news (or maybe good news?).

Brian was found unconscious in his room at 8:00 AM this morning. He has a heartbeat and is breathing, but his body temperature has dropped and he seems to be in some type of coma. What you say is true, Lasher. The last things anyone heard from him were that he had finally figured out how to OBE, and was going to project into a black hole.

Doctors cannot diagnose his condition. They say they've never seen anything quite like it. I'll keep you guys updated.

[Alezunde]

Firstly, if anyone didn't want me to bump this topic, I apologize.

Anyways... yeah... I don't think I'd try projecting into a black hole... those things have enormous disortional properties... and... I wouldn't doubt that they affect even other planes.

Assuming that you could lose yourself somehow... wouldn't there some way to pull yourself back?
I've heard that when APing you can pull yourself back with a thought. Although if the distortion of the black was powerful enough...

Simply speculation

-Alezunde

[beavis]

I took a class about spacetime, which includes black holes. They are just a place where time bends. They have a finite gravity field. You should be safe projecting, even if you go to the center. The closest one is center of milky way.

[LogoRat]

Well, when i get good experience at OBEing i will try the black hole.
I have a list of things in my head that i want todo when i get good at OBEing.
Now ive added a new one...the black hole...
I like to do all these things that people havent dared todo and beyond
One that is on my list is to jump into my internet connection and try run through the line in digital form
And maybe endup in a storageroom somewhere on someones screen.. [ Hello!.. i am an astral beeing who says hello....hello! ]

[Hephaestus]

I dont believe it to be safe to project to or into a blackhole, especially the supermassive one at the centre of the milkyway.
Blackholes are gravity wells, they suck everything in including Photons which have no mass. Photons can escape the earths gravity due their speed of roughly 286,000 miles per second, a photon could circle the earth several times per second and yet even at that speed it cannot escape the power of a blackhole. You must realise that the effects of blackholes on spacetime are immense and science has no idea what other effects blackholes could cause. It seems highly likely to me that blackholes exist within several planes/dimensions of existance or at least extend their grasp into other planes and cause effects.
Imagine subatomic particles falling into these gravity wells being vibrated at extreme frequencys as the immense gravity drags them in a great velocitys, blackholes are not things to be toyed with.
The Astral body is far from indestructable.

Subatomic particles in our dimension exhibit strange behaviour, they can change the direction they are travelling for no reason at all, they do not hit anything or interact with anything - they often exhibit all kinds of other strange behaviours. So came the theory of multiple dimensions and/or parallel universes. The theory is that subatomic particles in this dimension at some level interact with those of other dimensions - so although a subatomic particle may look like it changed direction for no reason it in actual fact hit another subatomic particle in another dimension. So please realise that everything is connected with everything at some level.

[beavis]

Photons fall in the black hole with mass because they are both following the curves of space. Regardless of mass, everything falls at the same speed in a vacuum. Light is pulled by earths gravity too.

We are not controlled by this gravity because it is only the bending of space and time, and those do not control us if we dont want them to while OBE.

[LogoRat]

I cant understand how you limit yourself by physical explainations.
If black holes affect the astral.. then you could not move into space to other planets ...because somewhere there will be a blackhole and you will pass into it without knowing it and boooom your erased as you so adequatly put it.

Has anyone asked some highly developed spirit about these things or have you only read these things in some newspaper?

It just doesnt make sense to me.
Either i limit myself and not move out into space, or i will explore every part of it.

Maybe its the Devil!!!!

[beavis]

Whatever small danger there might be, if any, I'm going to try it sometime.

Something else interesting about black holes. The closer you get to the Event Horizon, the closer to the End Of Time you will see (if you follow the curves of space into the future, like a watch would, and it would time only a few minutes). At the event horizon, if you look in a tangent direction, you will see the back of yourself in front of you.

I didnt read this stuff in a newspaper (as suggested on page 1). I took a class about spacetime and the curves in it.

[Hephaestus]

I am intrigued by the idea of using the speed of a black holes gravity well to get an object to travel faster than it is capable of and to pass the speed of light and possibly time travel - I have read a lot about it many moons ago but cannot remember much about it now, does anyone else know more about this idea?

[beavis]

A black hole will never cause anything to go faster than light. The way it causes forward time travel is it puts anything close to it in extreme slow motion (because of the time stretching) and to them it looks like time passes faster and faster as they get closer to the event horizon. As they hit it, they see the end of time and then see black until they hit the middle. Watching from outside, you will never see anything get to the event horizon.

[Hephaestus]

^ I beg to differ. The motion of a particle near a black hole is not governed by Newton's laws of motion in the familiar sense. The correct equations for motion near a black hole predict that an object on a radial path into the hole will have a velocity which approaches the speed of light as the object approaches the event horizon. With advanced enough technology I cannot see why a space vessel cannot increase its velocity within a black hole allowing it to break the speed of light without breaking the laws of physics. Admittedly the vessel wouldnt last very long.


As for a definition of a black hole I found an excerpt that gave an interesting description:

The interiors of black holes are so infinitely dense that they exert massively destructive, "tide-like" distortions on approaching objects, ripping them into their constituent subatomic particles.

In fact, this infinitely dense interior gives black holes their potential for space and time travel. Inside a black hole, the very fabric of the universe is collapsed into a point of infinite curvature -- known as a "space-time singularity," where the laws of physics no longer apply.

[zeer]

There is supposedly a super black hole or w/e in one of our near neighboring galaxies, buts its dormant.  I think i saw that on the dicovery channel a year ago.  I'll check that out when i learn to AP.

And I hope theres nuthin seriously wrong wit Brian.

zeer

[beavis]

Hephaestus "^ I beg to differ. The motion of a particle near a black hole is not governed by Newton's laws of motion in the familiar sense."

I agree. I was using einsteins laws.

"The correct equations for motion near a black hole predict that an object on a radial path into the hole will have a velocity which approaches the speed of light as the object approaches the event horizon."

Thats true.

"With advanced enough technology I cannot see why a space vessel cannot increase its velocity within a black hole allowing it to break the speed of light without breaking the laws of physics. Admittedly the vessel wouldnt last very long."

Theoretically, it doesnt matter how much force you use, the result will always be a velocity less than light, because as you get close to the speed of light, time slows down and your force has less effect. If you want to make a physical object go faster than light, you will have to bend the spacetime directly instead of using einsteins laws.

"As for a definition of a black hole I found an excerpt that gave an interesting description:

The interiors of black holes are so infinitely dense"

Wrong. Black holes have finite mass.

"that they exert massively destructive, "tide-like" distortions on approaching objects, ripping them into their constituent subatomic particles."

True.

"In fact, this infinitely dense interior gives black holes their potential for space and time travel. Inside a black hole, the very fabric of the universe is collapsed into a point of infinite curvature -- known as a "space-time singularity," where the laws of physics no longer apply."

There is one THEORETICAL point like that, but it has never been measured. I'm sure it gets very curved and dense.

[Randøm_]

quote:Originally posted by beavis
Theoretically, it doesnt matter how much force you use, the result will always be a velocity less than light, because as you get close to the speed of light, time slows down and your force has less effect. If you want to make a physical object go faster than light, you will have to bend the spacetime directly instead of using einsteins laws.

Not to mention the space occupied by a mass increases the faster it travels. If I recall correctly, a solid object moving at the speed of light is theoretically impossible because the space required to do this would occupy the entire universe.

It is important to note that the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics both hold true, but contradict each other. A workable solution cannot have any contradictions with other facts. Hence, our understanding of physics is extremely incomplete, at least until a theory can be invented that unifies the two.

quote:"As for a definition of a black hole I found an excerpt that gave an interesting description:

The interiors of black holes are so infinitely dense"

Wrong. Black holes have finite mass.

Agreed. A black hole is supposed to grow as it absorbs matter.
Furthermore, it is said that the mass of two individual black holes increases to a size greater than the sum of their mass once they combine. Logically, this means that the universe will some day be one massive black hole. (shrugs)

[jc84corvette]

interesting...
I wouldnt risk my self that way, I could just wait at the BH and see a object go into it instead!

[James S]

Zeer,

There is a black hole closer to home. Actually the largest black hole found to date is at the centre of our own galaxy. It was found by the Chandra orbital X-ray observatory a few years ago before it was decomissioned.

Check this link for more info:
http://www.firstscience.com/site/articles/mystery.asp

Enjoy,
James

[beavis]

Random "It is important to note that the theory of relativity and quantum mechanics both hold true, but contradict each other. A workable solution cannot have any contradictions with other facts. Hence, our understanding of physics is extremely incomplete, at least until a theory can be invented that unifies the two."

They dont contradict because relativity only applies to spacetime. The entaglement and faster-than-light stuff in quantum mechanics happens outside of spacetime.

[Kodemaster]

Hi guys,

I started a discussion on this very topic awhile back:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2956

[Hephaestus]

quote:Originally posted by Kodemaster

Hi guys,

I started a discussion on this very topic awhile back:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2956

Thanks for the link!!, I forgot i'd posted in that thread, just shows you that within 7 months I went from believing it to be safe to project into a black hole to it not being safe - within those 7 months ive read things and learnt things new that have altered my opinion drastically.

[LogoRat]

Funny...

I will not judge your intelligence, but that post really made me realize that some people read too much instead of learning it while by personal experience in the astral.

Maybe i will do a foolish decision to jump into a black hole when i am AP'ing, and maybe not.
The only way i can find out is to try it.
For me, seeing people write about that something is dangerious and stuff really makes wounder why.
And all that excrement makes me wounder why people are saying stuff like that.

bovine excrement i say.
If a friend from the astral would comeup to me upfront and say " excrement maan, i was just at the blackhole over there, and i couldnt come back up, i was stuck there for like 200yrs in total blackness, it was a nightmare" I would trust him and seek more knowledge before trying it.

But if some dude on a forum that is not a close friend tell me that it is dangerious, that dude may also hinder people from going there so he can have his experience by himself.

Maybe inside a blackhole or beyond it is a very nice place..very very very nice place.
Maybe it is soo fun and exiting that some people try to make people stay away so they can have it for themselves.

Maybe they get a kick to scare people from the most amazing and great things.

Maybe there is a gateway to jump to areas where you usually wouldnt get to without the proper knowledge.

If someone have tried to get close to one Black hole or even been in one, please post.