RFID?

Euphoric Sunrise · July 31, 2003, 02:56:03

I am totally against it being used on civilians. As you say, it's an invasion of privacy.
Before i go any further, though, i'd like to know how it would actually work. Would it be like a homing device where your position could be pinpointed with a satellite or something? Or more like those gates at shops that go off when somebody tries to steal something? Or maybe both?

no_leaf_clover · July 31, 2003, 02:59:37

From what I understand the government can pinpoint you at any given time from any given location, via satellite most probably. They can be programmed with your personal information and be used in place of credit cards, etc., but I don't know what else they're capable of. The government would definitely be able to obtain some information from you that you might not like to have obtained.

Euphoric Sunrise · July 31, 2003, 03:15:55

Ok well i stick with my original post (no civilians), but i don't think it would be such a bad idea on prisoners when they are obtained and maybe kept in for a while after they are released. You'd have to take them out at some point though, you have to give them a chance to prove their change. Maybe repeat offenders could have them in for extended periods.
If you stick them in prisoners there's not much point in them trying to escape because they could be easily tracked down. That is unless they can locate the chip and get it out.

Also i think the armed forces could do with something like that while they are on missions.
It's more for their safety. For example, if a soldier at war gets taken hostage it will make finding out their location a lot easier.
Although, i'm not sure how healthy it would be to have a chip implanted in somebody everytime they go on a mission and then extracted every time they finish.

People like CIA could use it too to sniff out people involved in treason or something.

I'm sure it could be used for a lot of good purposes, but i'm still against everybody having them. It sends out the message that the government doesn't trust it's people, and that doesn't make for a warm community if you ask me.

Kojie · July 31, 2003, 03:31:29

Do you know how far under the skin it would be?

WalkerInTheWoods · July 31, 2003, 04:31:33

Read the book 1984. Sounds like the same idea, just the chips are more technologically advanced. I think the question one should ask is, Do you trust the government and the people who run it enough to do something like this? I do not. You cannot end crime. As long as there are laws there will be people who will try to get around them.

Jenadots · July 31, 2003, 18:18:25

Hi, forum friends. I sure would like one in all the small children in my family -- the way kids get taken today in the USA. If one of them disappeared, at least they could be found.

I am not sure if I want one. Depends on what else it is used for. If you could limit it to just a locator and, perhaps, crucial medical info in case of an accident, I might. If it was used to spy on me that would be another thing. I would not want it used by the federal government for that.

It is coming, tho. Once out of the box, it will be upon us. The issue is to get limitations on its use. For location if lost and medical emergencies, it would be a wonderful thing. I also like the idea of keeping tabs on prisoners out on bail. Might be a good thing too.

Like any technology, much will depend on the uses of it. I know we are a lot paranoid in the USA about terrorists, understandably so, but this could also be put to some real invasions of privacy and citizenship. I already get annoyed with those stupid grocery store cards. I can imagine how annoyed I would be if I thought some pinhead was sifting through my every location or activity.

Of course, it may be naive to think that it isn't already happening with all the internet traffic and credit card use.

I guess if somebody really wants to find out about you and your habits, they will. That technology already exists.

Maybe this is just another attempt to lead us down the merry little road of a cashless society - an idea I don't particularly like.

beavis · July 31, 2003, 18:28:37

I refuse to use a government spy device in my body or on my stuff.

Nick · July 31, 2003, 22:23:01

My view of RFID is along the same lines as others such as fallnangel77. The question being just how much can you trust the government. There really isn't much privacy left, with the chip, why make it worse?

There was a movie that came out in 1998, I think, with Will Smith called Enemy of the State. In the film Smith is a lawyer who runs into an old friend who was in a hurry. What Smith didn't know was that the friend dropped evidence of a political killing into his pocket. The killing was done at the order of a high up National Security Agency (NSA) advisor. That's where the interesting stuff begins.

The rest of the film has the NSA using all its high tech resources to find and stop Smith before he goes public with the evidence. It's a good film, and you'll be awed by all the sophisticated equipment used to track Smith. You'll just hope they never turn it you.

Very best,

MJ-12 · August 01, 2003, 04:38:52

http://www.stoprfid.org/rfid_sponsors.html

time to stop buying

no_leaf_clover · August 01, 2003, 05:12:54

Man.. those are some pretty big companies. Wal-Mart doesn't surprise me, being the left-winged company that it is, editing CDs and refusing to sell certain goods, but Coca-Cola? No!! It'd be hard to boycott all of those companies.

I like the idea that criminals and military personnel be equipped with a chip, and maybe children, of course if the chip would be removed later. But like was also said here, if there's something the government wants to know about you, it's not like they probably can't find it out already.

WalkerInTheWoods · August 01, 2003, 06:04:39

If companies are sponsoring this then I am sure they are ready to pay for your buying habits, schedule, traveling routes, etc. Think of Minority Report where he is walking by all those ads geared towards him calling him by name. Good, Bad, or just annoying?

Tayesin · August 01, 2003, 07:17:48

Hi people.
Another great topic. MJ-12 has the right idea, if you don't buy the stuff 'they' want you to have in your home to observe you, then you are part of the way to being free from it.

I read in Nexus magazine a while ago (without judging it)that in some U.S. states implants of this type are being offered to the new-born's parents as a means to track the child if abducted. An interesting concept I'm sure, but I do not trust any government, so I have BIG reservations on that issue.

Three years ago, our research group received a report from a member holidaying with relatives in Switzerland that banks and building societies were offering invisible tattoos and/or implants to insure privacy and security of the accounts. This offer was only made to people seeking first time home loans, and, the result of their application was totally dependant on whether they agreed on the new 'security measures'. The report has not been verified by another source, so don't quote this as fact.

It has become very obvious in the past ten or so years that the 'one world order' scenario is close to fruition and that many of the things required to bring about it's completion..ie: technologies etc, are being trialled in out of the way countries or cities. It's no different to the scientific way of gathering data.

I feel very sorry for you Americans, knowing that your own government trials so many various substances on it's unknowing population. Maybe the time has come to stand up and revolt! Don't just say no, put your body on the line, coz the masses have the real power if they choose to take it. Wasn't that the main idea behind the kids movie 'Antz'?[

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Love always.

beavis · August 01, 2003, 08:18:28

fallnangel "Think of Minority Report where he is walking by all those ads geared towards him calling him by name. Good, Bad, or just annoying?"

If I have to see ads, I prefer they be relevant to what I want to buy. It makes them less annoying.

Tayesin · August 01, 2003, 18:07:56

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Originally posted by pmlonline
. And there needs to be a mass majority otherwise we'll end up in jail or being squashed by Tanks. []

I agree one hundred percent Paul, it would be horrific if you went out to start the revolution only to find that you have little supporters and you do get TANKED. LOL.

Love always.

Athios · August 02, 2003, 04:41:18

"On one hand, it'll help stop terrorism, kidnapping, thievery, run-aways"

Haven't you guys considered the (probably very real) possibility that these stupid devices could also be used by 'bad guys' against you?

And you can certainly jam the signal whenever you kidnap someone or want to hide. [

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WalkerInTheWoods · August 04, 2003, 06:05:05

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If I have to see ads, I prefer they be relevant to what I want to buy. It makes them less annoying.

If done properly yes, it would be more useful and less annoying. But I do not think that companies that are wanting to push their products would be so considerate of your opinions. Mostly likely they would be throwing their ads at you every where you went. And even if you do not want the product they could gear it to your personal tastes. Personally I hate ads. They are great when I am at the store shopping. But I am more of a bargin hunter. I don't care how flashy the box or ad may be. That price tag speaks a lot more to me.

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I feel very sorry for you Americans, knowing that your own government trials so many various substances on it's unknowing population. Maybe the time has come to stand up and revolt! Don't just say no, put your body on the line, coz the masses have the real power if they choose to take it

Try getting the majority of Americans to agree on anything. Haha True we may have the advantage if we have the numbers. But I do not think you will ever have the numbers. Most Americans are happy with just getting their material goods and letting the government do whatever as long as their material goods are protected. The advantage is that the US is dominately Christain. The RFID is too close to the sign of the beast, so I think most Americans will not be very accepting of it.

MJ-12 · August 21, 2003, 11:54:03

aa

no_leaf_clover · August 21, 2003, 17:08:27

Sweet. [8D]

astraljazz · August 21, 2003, 19:04:00

those implants are definitly the mark of the beast

no_leaf_clover · July 31, 2003, 02:02:23

What do you guys think of radio frequency identification technology (RFID)? It's the technology where a chip is implanted under your skin or somewhere in your body that has your identification on it. On one hand, it'll help stop terrorism, kidnapping, thievery, run-aways, illegally entry of bars, etc., but on the other hand, it can be a total invasion of your privacy. What are some of your thoughts on this? Is the invasion of privacy worth all of that? It's also believed by some to be a sign of the end times, and that the chips are related to the mark of the beast.

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