Lower astral regions

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:I dont know if this is my own private hell or if this is a actual region.

I think all "hells" are private because everyone is different and has different things that they need to work through. That is how I view hells, things that we need to work through and learn. Lucky for you someone was there to help you.

quote:"Jesus always forgives" (now for all of you who coukd get offended by this I am sorry but this happened and I would be a hypocrite not to include it.)

I would really hope no one would get offended by another's actual experience.


Interesting experience you had.

[Spirit_k9]

I think the whole idea of dividing the non physical into "levels" ought to be pitched in its entirety.  There are no "levels" as such. Only places, and only states of awareness.

Hell is a place where you will put yourself if your belief system is staunch enough to put you there if you think you deserve it. Same with heaven...however, if you were to commit suicide because this life is so unbearable for example, you would have to resolve the issues you avoided in life. This, to the suicide-er, would seem an awful lot like hell.

This is according to the most popular psychics, not necessarily my own beliefs.

[chupacabra]

Mustardseed,

Thanks for the elaboration. You mentioned there was more to your encounter with the lady in your experience. Care to elaborate on that?
(I hope I'm not coming off as some astral voyeur wierdo, but it's when experiences effect someone emotionally that they are most interesting).

You also mentioned hearing "Jesus always forgives". I just read Allanon's testimony about his spiritual enlightenment and began wondering if maybe he's right (cue Twilight Zone theme).

Anyway, are you now a Christian and if so, how does that conviction square with your exploration of the astral? Many Christians would say that any exploration of that kind is BAD.


Thanks once again for sharing your experience,

Chupacabra

[Mustardseed]

Hi Chu
Yes I realise many Christians would find them "bad" but hey...what the heck, they also think drinking beer is sin and sex outside of the missionary position. Generally it is my opinion that they are really messed up and that the Churches are full of spiritually sick people. It fits fine with my Christian faith only made my universe bigger. My problem is that I share experiences with people who consider themselves enemies of Christ and it is not always comfortable being around folks like that. It also causes me to be very careful in the astral and continue to pray for safety discernment etc when there. The astral as well as the "real" world is full  of shapeshifters and evil as well as good and possible neutral being spirits etc.

Well she told me that she was a traveling emmesary for God sent to help me. We had sex on a beautiful moonlit beach, and she warned me about several things in my personal life, attitudes and personality traits that would hinder me, and then we parted. I was going to share this more in detail but decided for other reasons to leave it at this, as it is quite personal. Hope it was entertaining maybe helpful or encouraging.
Regards Mustardseed

[jc84corvette]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:I dont know if this is my own private hell or if this is a actual region.

I think all "hells" are private because everyone is different and has different things that they need to work through. That is how I view hells, things that we need to work through and learn. Lucky for you someone was there to help you.

quote:"Jesus always forgives" (now for all of you who coukd get offended by this I am sorry but this happened and I would be a hypocrite not to include it.)

I would really hope no one would get offended by another's actual experience.


Interesting experience you had.

You bring up a good point there. My own hell would be....LOL thats hard to think about..So much neg

[wisp]

Wowie MS, didn't see that one coming! I was thinking more along the lines of a mystical experience you had at the base of the moutain that you had mentioned. Even mountains are almost beyond where my knowledge goes.

I haven't had any Hell experiences so what I say, take with a grain of salt.

My only Hell experience I can relate to is the sounds of distressed beings I could tune into as a child age 10-14.
Whether these were sounds from hell or not, I still wonder to this day. It was a time I did a lot of mental travel. I guess astral is a word I can use today. However, in my mental travels I never saw or experienced what has been described as these lower astral realms. I had a safety system, one being, prayer. The other was no out of body stuff. Where I went, I stayed whole. How this presented in the astral world I haven't a clue. I just had a fear of separating my spirit from  my body. I don't think a person has to.
I was very close to God in those days. I prayed a lot. Mind travel was a fascination for me. Although my exuberance for this when I would share it was met with fear, in particular, my mother. She had a fear that this sort of thing could lead to insanity. Actually, I found it to have the opposite effect. But there was no way that could be explained to another. In the mean time, I did what I did in the safest manner I knew how. I got very close to Jesus at this time in my life. Once, so much, I felt he would materialize right before me. I was afraid of spirits back then.  At a later time I did happen across who was another spirit. This spirit I didn't connect with Jesus at the time. This spirit was not connected with religion, therefore I was unsure who this other being was. In the last few years I've come to understand this is probably my spirit guide.
The thing about this other spirit is that he has/had a different nature so to speak. A bit on the dark side (most definitely,not evil, but occultic in nature).  He has remained with me my entire life. Anyway, this spirit would know exactly what your experience means. This spirit has great power of protection over me. With this in mind, I will attempt to bring some of my ideas to your experience.

It sounds like your lower astral realm exposure or visit was a parallel of higher realms. Anything of vivid color speaks of mental body existence or vision, at least in reference to earth plane or physical experience. Having seen the movie "Jumanji", I in no way connected those things to lower astral symbols. I'll have to watch that movie again and see if there is any symbolism I missed. It seemed more to me as a conglomerate of possible astral images made into a montage. The story line was intriguing. I wasn't all that impressed with the images. To place such vivid color with an abstract story is misleading. It lacked realism. I wonder if this kind of mismatched realism (in my opinion) wouldn't have been spirit intervention. This spirit or spirits may have put a production on for you, for your benefit. God can play hard ball if necessary. This is an aspect of Him many people don't appreciate in the big scheme of things.  
I could go farther with more symbolism (maybe) of your experience. I would first have to know if you agree, or relate with the things I've said so far. If your experience doesn't relate, where am I off? Or, is this enough?
Not having anything remotely close to your experience, I would have to make at best, a loosely woven list of collective ideas.

[Mustardseed]

I made the comment to some one asking about the lower astral region that "this is not where you wanna go" and was asked to elaborate. I will be glad to do so. However I must make a note that it is only my experience. I dont know if this is my own private hell or if this is a actual region.

On a few occations actually I have visited the lower regions and have observed things there.More by accident than design and according to my observations it is a region inhabited by a hirachy of entities mainly of shapeshifters and  parasitical beings. In many ways it is comparable to a actual jungle and a very good allegory of the dangers there cxan be seen in the movie "Jumanji".

My first visit was on a full moon evening in 1975. I lived in India was a traveling hippie, if that word is unknown to some of you youngsters you should look it up. I expect quite a few of you all have a "little hippie hiding inside somewhere. Anyway, I had lived with a lot of people who was heavily into witchcraft , you know warlocks and stuf like that. This particular night was the 1 may and I had been told all the witches stayed underground that night. Around midnight as I recall, I was transported to a location which seemed to be right where you drop off when you try to use periphial vision. In other words very close to this dimension. I thought it was earth but it was not it was also not what we now know as the real time zone but much more like a astral region . At the time I was not a Christian and had never been to a church nor did I know anything about Christianity. After arriving there in what seemed like a lovely forest type of setting, I was approched by a person who asked to talk to me and it seemed harmless enough. We sat down and he started to look at me in a very strange way. Suddenly his skull started to crack open as a egg and lifted off as if on hinges and a burst of flames shot out of his head. I tried to stay calm as I suddenly realised that  had come to a place where I did not want to be. As this happened I felt the atmosfere changed all around me and everything sort of went into reversal. It was like everything was opposite. I got up and moved towards a very bright light with dansing flames amd observed maybe 50 naked people jumping around a big sort of open area. As I looked closer they noticed me and came charging at me dancing and screaming. They were all shifting shape before my eyes and growing these sort of small horns before my very eyes. I wondered where I was and realised that it was possible that it was some sort of hell . There were loud droning drums and everyone was sort of ...its hard to explain but they were punishing themselves and enjoying the pain at the same time. I wanted to leave but couldnt, and I was getting worried I had died. I was getting pretty freaked out and fell in what seemed to be sand, and suddenly I heard almost an audible voice saying "Jesus always forgives" (now for all of you who coukd get offended by this I am sorry but this happened and I would be a hypocrite not to include it.)As tbe voice became silent There seemed to be a change in the atmosfere it rippled through me sort of like a wave and I looked up. In the middle of the mass of writhering mass of naked bodies stood a incredible beautiful young woman. She was clothed in a white dress from head to toe and had long white golden hair to her waist. She had her eyes closed and was swaying softly as if to a different beat. All around her was a dome of light very bright but not blinding and the beings could not get close. They clawed at her with their long dirty fingernails more like claws and were screaming in hate. I straightway walked up to her and as I got near her I was enclosed in the light. IT was pretty freaky. I couldnt say anything so I just stood there in front of her crying. She slowly opened her eyes and without opening her mouth she communicated with me. The first thing she said was "I think you might need some help" well I stayed and talked to her and she explained me where I was and what her job was it took a long time and she stayed with me till I had worked a lot of things out. I could get into details if anyone cares to know more. It got pretty interesting at one point. Anyway that was what I know about that. I have been a few other places as well though not that severe they seemed "nether" to me. I was not myself for a long time afterwards and did not go to sleep for 1 full week after that for fear of returning . Finally got over it. and by now it is healed. I do believe that I had opened myself to some strong negs and that my visit there also had some effect along Roberts points about core images.

Peace to you all
Regards Mustardseed