strange emotions during ancient aliens

[phaseshiftR1111]

hey friends. i wanted to make this topic because something weird has been happening to me as of lately. i have had a lot of changes happen to me. i am not familiar with kundalini either but i have reason to believe it raised naturally. one night after a heavy meditation i had a weird surge of energy hit me. then it felt like a snake was being shoved inside of me from my root chakra. i am not going to lie this was very uncomfortable. this experience was so intense that i went straight into an out of body experience. i started walking around my room. it felt like i was hit by lightning all of a sudden. in my astral body. it felt like every cell of my body was being jolted. i woke up in sweats and felt really strange and had some really intense energy phenomena happening to me ever since. i didn't even know what kundalini is. it is real. i been looking with what robert bruce has to say and i am going through what appears to be kundalini syndrome. William buhlman speaks of this in one of the books i have. it's a whole other level of energy. i thought astral projection was intense... long story short i now have to close my chakras. not close them... but i do a visual meditation to slow and calm them all. i can see my chakras and they were so overactive for a week or so it was causing me to not even be able to do daily tasks. i thought energy was good but too much of it is horrible. you can't live like that. i feel 100x better now after closing them up. not closing... just calming them. i need to do this about every 3 hours or so. but it is so calming. only takes about 5 minutes.

however, i been watching ancient aliens lately. i was told kinda on a super-conscious level i needed to watch this because i would relate to it. i tear up almost everytime it comes on and i can't control it.  the best way i can explain it, it was like a strong subconscious memory of a past life or something. i never have felt this in my life. i visited a medium (i am very sketchy with them because of what some of them have told me) but  am also amazed with what some of them have gotten correct with me. things i have told nobody and only i would know. she is well known around the united states i guess. she mentioned to me she kept seeing the vega star was huge for me. i notice everytime i research the star now i start tearing up uncontrollably and have a feeling of love and peace. it's like a huge release.

what do you think this is? anytime ancient aliens comes on now i feel emotions hitting me that just seem to surface uncontrollably. and subconsciously i already know all of this. i can understand what they are talking about without even knowing much about the subject. idk... it's the strangest thing. just trying to figure out what this is.

[desert-rat]

Maby you were an alien in a past life , you liked the earth and came back in your current life . I dont know if this will help , but its a kundlini web site.
http://www.kundaliniyoga.org

[Stillwater]

With that out of the way, what I will say is be careful about what you read about Kundalini, because really none of it is authoritative. The concept comes from ancient Hindu Upanishad mysticism. The ancient Hindus found out all manner of awesome things, and the vedas are worth many re-reads, but that doesn't mean they got everything right, or that you can just take their scriptural word for everything. Most of the literature I have encountered takes a reading of the Kundalini concept very close to what the vedas describe. Case in point, is situations like "Gopi Krishna" (a VERY traditional Hindu name from the Ramayana) describe mesh almost perfectly. Something is definitely up in that department, but I hate to say if Kundalini is a real thing, as many think it is today, you are almost on your own, because people give opposite advice about how to approach it. I would refer you to the books, if I wasn't sure that the people in those books are stumbling in the dark too.

My own suspicions are that what is described as Kundalini is a sort of disorder brought on through the kind of nervous system experimentation mystic techniques encourage, where the sympathetic nervous system goes nuts and starts telling the endocrine system to start releasing all kinds horomones like crazy. To me, this would explain the heart-racing, digestive problems, and metabolic issues such people claim to face. Although some people have reported positive changes after all of this, it mostly sounds like a miserable experience, and maybe one best avoided by stopping whatever the trigger is found to be. The times I have read about where people encourage the process to continue to climax, the individuals became chronic invalids, and thus a heavy burden on their families- that seems like a somewhat selfish road to take if an individual knows where the path leads.

But I am no authority on the matter either, and this is me musing in the dark as the authors who write about it are doing as well.

[desert-rat]

I remember a book written by this guy that had his kindilin go up the wrong way . He had all kind of pain until he got the kindlini to go up the center path .

[Volgerle]

Regarding the Kundalini snake: Welcome to the club, Cody.  

You can read my similar experience here ("2) Out-Of-Body exit / RTZ-projection") and compare it you what you 'felt' going through your body:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/etheric_projection_and_kundalini_symptoms-t37565.0.html

My own suspicions are that what is described as Kundalini is a sort of disorder brought on through the kind of nervous system experimentation mystic techniques encourage, where the sympathetic nervous system goes nuts and starts telling the endocrine system to start releasing all kinds horomones like crazy. To me, this would explain the heart-racing, digestive problems, and metabolic issues such people claim to face.

It is clear to me according to this description that you have not experienced it. I suspect at least you would say sth completely different then.  

This is what is said about 'experience'. You have to have it to 'believe' it and then you won't have to revert to reductionist explanations to try to explain away sth. I understand that people do that. Even APers who do not have had these 'energetic' experiences.

It's not that I wanted this experience. By far not. It's not that I expected it. I did not know the word Kundalini even back then.

It seems it is a 'spontaneous' thing that happens to some people, who may have started on a spiritual path (or some even not that). It's a 'real thing' but it is not solely a body-organ or nervous system thingy. This you just "know" when you have experienced it. I have read the same spontaneous 'snake' experience in a book and immediately recognised it, so it is a real phenomenon that is clearly witnessed by many people.

It has a clear pattern to it. Nothing too random. There are elements to it that are reported to be typical and the accounts can be matched up. The energy clearly moves along the spine, in the torso. There is "internal noise" you have never heard before. There is a 'rhythm' to it, like perestaltic waves. And it leaves you as soon as it came.

I also had my first OBE after that. It was into the RTZ. I felt like a point of light though. Saw myself in the bed. It was an 'etheric' projection (see link when we discussed this).

And that's why I think your description is not the right explanation. It's reductionistic and materialistic. Yes, probably any medical doctor would try to do the same and talk about the nervous or hormone system, maybe link it to epileptical fits or whatever, because they would not think of sth better to say and need to stick to their paradigm. But they are wrong, imv. This explains nothing. I am in the medical field and have studied orthodox medicine to some degree. There is nothing of any syndrome or symptom complex or emergency case to compare to it. Nothing. Seriously. Nothing.

The experience is far different from anything you know if you haven't 'been through it' - or rather if "it has been going through you".  

Nothing even comes close to it. And it is also not what some APers might believe to be the "vibrations". No, neither. That was the joke on me when I later discovered the 'real' vibrations which were a completely different pair of shoes.

That Kundalini "snake" is a violent thing, very violent - although in my case still painless. And this  feels like 'real energy' moving through your body. It is hard to explain if you have not 'been through it'. I tried in that post I linked above and hope I did it some justice.

I had 2-3 more experiences of it in 2009 before I had 'normal' vibrations from 2010 on. But two events later where energy was again flowing up from my base chakra and it felt like s.o. was sticking a pole or stick up my a.... - that wasn't nice either  

And I do not want to have this experience back, believe me. Never again.

What this 'energy' is I cannot say for sure and we can only speculate. But it is not a normal body disorder, not just because it does not fit any other medical pattern (moreover you mostly have it in trance state!), but also because it only lasts a few seconds and goes away like nothing which is not normal for a 'disorder' where you also have after-effects (normally) of some kind.

[phaseshiftR1111]

Volgerle YES. Pole being shoved up my butt feeling sums it up. I remember as it happened I gasped for air and went into immediate astral projection. What stinks is hardly anyone can help me. People I ask about kundalini either say I have epilepsy, a demon attacked me and forced me to leave my body to have my way with me (which ihorsecrap) one girl said the only thing that can help me is incubus and sucubus and told me its a weapon not a toy. I don't even know what the hell that means. Another guy said I'm screwed and my energy body is changed forever. Then another guy said it shouldnt hurt. Then another girl said the kundalini syndrome symptoms will go away after snout 8 weeks. And what I did is amazing. Then another guy said kundalini is mind control and a whole bunch of this other stuff. I learned nobody knows what they are talking about regarding kundalini. I had spikes as a kid too. It felt like I was electrocuted. It's not epilepsy I can tell you that. I know you know this. I also have been checked if I have it. I don't... I have never had a seizure in my life. I know you know what I mean since you have gone through it. Its energy. I just hope I don't go through it again... It really was not pleasant at all. I have found no benefits yet. It just happened naturally. It freakin hurts though.  I know you can testify to that. All I did was meditate. :/

[phaseshiftR1111]

Stillwater I like that meme too! Lol . I admit that guy is funny

[Stillwater]

No, I don't think I have experienced a collection of symptoms that fits the classical Kundalini syndrome.

I have had all the typical "energy" sensations (I tend to feel these are primarily a nerve effect, and thus you can see where my guesses extend from that platform), and I have had what I would term "pulsations", where a wave of tension and release slides through my body for about a 5 minute period on many occasions, but nothing that to me resembled the overwhelming twisting spinal pain people describe as "Kundalini".

You are right when you say that I do not have a full basis for making a judgement- what I have are only theories.

I disagree though that matching some of the experienced sensations to possible physical events is materialist. The criticism leveled at materialists (rightly I feel) is that they force everything to fit into a preconceived matter-oriented paradigm, without allowing for possible exceptions or caveats. I think the same criticism applies to dualists or mind-monists- not everything people experience in meditation or projection is necessarily a metaphysical event; we are interfacing with apparently physical bodies afterall, and they fit very heavily into the equation. It is only natural to me that some of the effects this lifestyle causes would be manifested in the form of somatic events.

[Stillwater]

People I ask about kundalini either say I have epilepsy, a demon attacked me and forced me to leave my body to have my way with me (which ihorsecrap) one girl said the only thing that can help me is incubus and sucubus and told me its a weapon not a toy. I don't even know what the hell that means. Another guy said I'm screwed and my energy body is changed forever. Then another guy said it shouldnt hurt. Then another girl said the kundalini syndrome symptoms will go away after snout 8 weeks. And what I did is amazing. Then another guy said kundalini is mind control and a whole bunch of this other stuff. I learned nobody knows what they are talking about regarding kundalini.

Sadly yes. I have read hundreds of pages on the subject through the years, and while the symptoms are usually very similar, no one is in agreement about the real cause, or what to do about it. I have heard of people reaping supposed benefits from it, and others nothing but torment. Some experiencers have suggested taking certain assana postures may either alleviate symptoms or press the "process" on further, while others have suggested this is the worst possible advice.

[phaseshiftR1111]

Sadly yes. I have read hundreds of pages on the subject through the years, and while the symptoms are usually very similar, no one is in agreement about the real cause, or what to do about it. I have heard of people reaping supposed benefits from it, and others nothing but torment. Some experiencers have suggested taking certain assana postures may either alleviate symptoms or press the "process" on further, while others have suggested this is the worst possible advice.

the only thing that has helped me is making sure i close down my chakras. after this experience they are so open that it gets debilitating. i am a reiki master so i check my chakras regularly. i noticed these experiences happened after my reiki master attunement. during the attunement i felt so much energy go inside of me it was too much. i know this is going to sound like voodoo with most people on here but unless they experience an attunement they wont know. although it was more intense for me than most people... most things are very intense for me compared to most people. i have always been a highly sensitive and very empathic. i went into tachycardia during the attunement. i could feel the energy go inside of me. this was strong...

this doesn't happen to everybody though. i am not sure... i just now know the importance of slowing down my chakras. i have to do this a lot... but its saving me. otherwise it constantly feels like i am going to fly away and i am not here. if you add being ungrounded on top of that its a mess.

[Volgerle]

I remember being a bit ungrounded after this experience too. After this Kundalini snake experience I read my first Robert Bruce book then, which is of course a lot about energy, and while I did so I felt as if I was falling out of my body.

That was enough for me then and I closed the book and not even that. I shut the door to AP entirely and did not do anything for 3-4 months. I even did affirmations contrary to what the Buhlman affirmation is: "I stay in my body". That was the best thing to do in order to function again in this 3D world. I also was a bit afraid I admit. Fear had me then for a short time. I just thought I had enough experience for the time being.

Then in the beginning of 2010 curiosity won and I experienced more 'normal' APs, even with 'normal' vibrations. The Kundalini 'snake' did never return (except for the pole rising from 'below' 2-3 times, that was a later experience, it also happend during dreams).

I don't know about closing chakras wilfully but some grounding measures could help too. Trying to get outside, walking barefoot, maybe touching trees and feel energy rising up from them, all this to get even more grounded would help I believe. Give it a try. Maybe also you cold try wearing a grounding stone / crystal.

Regarding your Ancient Aliens feelings, did you see this thread? Maybe do the test...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/are_you_a_wanderer_or_walkin-t36072.0.html

http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles/etquiz.html

[phaseshiftR1111]

I remember being a bit ungrounded after this experience too. After this Kundalini snake experience I read my first Robert Bruce book then, which is of course a lot about energy, and while I did so I felt as if I was falling out of my body.

That was enough for me then and I closed the book and not even that. I shut the door to AP entirely and did not do anything for 3-4 months. I even did affirmations contrary to what the Buhlman affirmation is: "I stay in my body". That was the best thing to do in order to function again in this 3D world. I also was a bit afraid I admit. Fear had me then for a short time. I just thought I had enough experience for the time being.

Then in the beginning of 2010 curiosity won and I experienced more 'normal' APs, even with 'normal' vibrations. The Kundalini 'snake' did never return (except for the pole rising from 'below' 2-3 times, that was a later experience, it also happend during dreams).

I don't know about closing chakras wilfully but some grounding measures could help too. Trying to get outside, walking barefoot, maybe touching trees and feel energy rising up from them, all this to get even more grounded would help I believe. Give it a try. Maybe also you cold try wearing a grounding stone / crystal.

Regarding your Ancient Aliens feelings, did you see this thread? Maybe do the test...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/are_you_a_wanderer_or_walkin-t36072.0.html

http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles/etquiz.html

volgerle that's super interesting you say that because everytime i walk outside and look at the stars now i feel like i am going to be sucked into space. have you had this happen? i know it cannot happen... but especially at night i will look at the sky and get a strange feeling. then i often have to walk back inside because it feels like i am going to be sucked into outer space. i often feel really "light" too. last night i was in the middle of a dream and then woke up a bit and my sacral chakra was incredibly warm and had a pressure feeling. a few nights before this i had a dream i was talking to an ancient chinese master or something on the subject of kundalini and it felt like my spine was being pulled into the ground from my body. this didn't hurt... but it was a holy crap feeling forsure. i always "feel" my dreams. not many people i talk to get that. one time i had a dream i was being shot and i could feel the bullets riddle my body. everyone tells me its fear. what the hell am i fearful of? now back in the day i used to be... actually even a month ago i was riddled with fear. not so much anymore... yet i still feel my dreams. most of them are nightmares. most nights i go to bed smiling now after watching a sitcom. then im always feeling stuff. who knows... but i can totally relate to the not feeling grounded thing after this experience. i am trying so hard. i went to the park the other day and laid in the grass and looked at the clouds and i had to stop because it felt like i was being sucked into the air and i got dizzy

[Volgerle]

i am trying so hard. i went to the park the other day and laid in the grass and looked at the clouds and i had to stop because it felt like i was being sucked into the air and i got dizzy

But it seems to me you are going into the 'wrong' direction with this. You should NOT concentrate on the stars if you want to re-root yourself in this physical 3D-reality. Rather go the other way.

Grounding or Earthing means actually doing this in a very literal sense. Try to touch the ground with your skin, this is important, not with clothes or shoes in between. That means standing/walking barefooted or touch a tree with your hands and try to 'feel' it. Re-connect to Gaia, not to the stars because then you will always feel dizzy, too light, with lack of focus, ungrounded, unconcentrated, or just 'not here'.

Grounding is also good for your overall physical health it seems. Give it a try, you cannot do anything wrong (except catch a tick during the season maybe, which I actually already did  , but it' still worth that 'risk' to me). If you like watch these two very short info-videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XumPQLTzPWI - ""Grounding" / "Earthing"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4F8mterVGE -  "What is Earthing?" (http://earthingcanada.ca/what-is-earthing/)

This is a longer documentary, but I recommend it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgwF0tpioTU - "Grounded"

From the description:

"Grounded" is an independent feature film about what is considered by many authorities to be "The Greatest Health RE-discovery of All Time". The concept was tested on the people of Haines, Alaska , (population 1,700.) Now showing on Youtube for free for a limited time.

I cannot attest to these 'grounding mats or mattresses' on sale because I don't have one. Robert Bruce however seems to recommend them. I recommend doing the direct nature thing because imho it has other benefits too (fresh air, mood, spiritual, the sun (vitamin D), etc.).

(Actually, this info is so important, it would deserve a thread of its own, thinking about it ...)