Where's the old Astral Pulse that I knew!?!?!

[The AlphaOmega]

I agree.  The word "astral" has little meaning here these days.  Instead of OBE most topics are, well, everything else.  I've even seen a few about pot or the matrix.  But people can write whatever they wish in this country, and on this website.  Most of it is opinion or slander, but not everyone is going to be pleased all the time.  This is less like an astral forum and more like a chat room about whatever comes to mind.

[Tolvor]

It's still here, right where it used to be.  While I haven't been here long enough to notice some of the changes that you've mentioned, I have found this site very useful.  Look at it this way, suppose there was a true gem of knowledge buried somewhere in here.  How many junk posts would you be willing to go though to find it?  2?  10?  For me, I'd go through a 100, if it meant finding something useful.

I will admit that some of the various thread could be annoying, but why are you letting it bother you?  Why are you even listening to the thread?  If you love a good debate/argument/Jerry-Springer-shoutdown, then by all means contributes to the threads, otherwise leave it well enough alone, like a rabid dog in your neighbors fenced-in yard.

Lastly, I don't know why it should bother you that much regardless of the thread contents.  My viewpoint is that we of this forum should be practicing more than talking.  I'm usually very quiet for this reason, as no matter what anyone tells me here, I'm on my own when it comes to astral projection.  While advice can make projection *easier*, in the end what people here achieve is up to themselves.

Just my two cents...

[Euphoric Sunrise]

Argh! Looks like i'll have to reply to this one now.

First off i hope you feel better after venting Fat Turkey.

Now, i think you have to understand that people have different ways of gaining knowledge and exploring themselves. I have found the topic of ETs to be very interesting and useful to me. It may not suite you, but for other people it's still an interesting topic. The same could be said for the other stuff you've mentioned.

I still find this website interesting after coming for a year, and i'm still learning things. I think anything that is posted is another opportunity to learn. You may not agree with what's being said, but if you read it and think about it you may realise something you didn't before, and it may not have anything to do with that topic.

I agree with Tolvor, this site is still useful. Maybe it has changed, but change doesn't have to be bad.

[jc84corvette]

Yeah I sure do miss it. bUT IM gonna be awol for a wile. cuse im into paintball more than ever now.

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:But now, where the hell has that all gone? This site is filled with Alien-Worshipping egotistical p***s who go around claiming they can talk to aliens, and when we don't believe them they seem to claim that we don't have "open minds" because we choose not to believe them.

I don't think anyone here tells you what to believe, or calls you close-minded for believing other than themselves, Fat Turkey. If someone has called you close-minded, or even given you a preaching about aliens and whatever, I apologize, but I seriously doubt anything like that has happened to you. It says quite explicitly on the Zeta Channeling post, several times, that you don't have to believe what is channeled there, and no one expects you to. I, for one, don't really care what you believe. Believe what you will; do what you will.




egotist n.
1 A conceited, boastful person
2) A selfish, self-centered person

Ever since the channeling posts were started, I have changed as a person. I avoid being judgmental and call people judgmental or offensive things drastically less (and even when I do, I correct myself and redirect my statements towards a person's actions rather than the person themself), I respect and care for others and their beliefs more, and I generally see more beauty in life. Aliens or no aliens, whoever comes up with those posts is posting, in my opinion, very valuable and meaningful information. The alien stuff is just another aspect that I personally believe to sound reasonable after all I have read and thought on it.

Fat Turkey, if such posts had never come to exist for the sake of your beloved 'old Astral Pulse', I am willing to bet you would see much less of the things I mentioned from me, and that I would generally not enjoy life as much. That may be all fine and dandy to you, but would that not be egotistical, but the second definition that I provided above?

The information for astral projection is still here, and you can still openly discuss it with people, but I have never been successful at astral projection though I have read much of Robert Bruce's work and have Astral Dynamics. I have been able to access information that is helpful to me in other ways from other posts that is, in my opinion at least, just as important, if not moreso, than being able to have experiences outside of your body. If you can get over the new subjects introduced here at the Astral Pulse so that it's all the same to you, I would appreciate it, because what you're calling egotistical has greatly helped me, and frankly I found your post offensive.

[chupacabra]

Word, Fat Turkey. For all you young whipper-snappers that means "I agree with you wholeheartedly."

I have noticed less meaty posts from experienced memebers. But it's probably a cyclic thing anyway. It'll swing back around. Maybe it means all of us other folks need to get with and get on out there and report back what we see instead of waitng to read it from someone else.

As for the demon war, ki, alien bu's***: Go form you own kiddy forum for all your role-playing shenanigans.

[findtruth]

Well, Fat Turkey. If you don't like what's being posted, create helpful and sharing topics of your own.  Maybe people will take your lead.  

Just a thought.[|)]

[Fat_Turkey]

No Leaf Clover, I am glad that such posts and topics have helped you grow as a person, and THAT IS WHAT I WANT. However, all I am seeing is people creating cults.

So far almost all the people I have talked to about aliens have practically worshipped them, and just like some Christians I've met, tend to believe that the human race cannot help itself, and that we need some kind of awesome superhero from the stars to come and save us.

Many people could have grown and developed as you did from those posts, but most of the people I have talked to have the mentality of "oh yeah I was right about the aliens, now I will believe everything this person says about them, preach about them, and yell at people when they don't believe my beliefs about aliens." For this I apologize.


What I'm really trying to say is that self-growth and development like this used to be much more common, and now it is nothing but people running around claiming that they can do things or talk to beings that I have already read and researched about, and all their claims contradict that research. On top of that, their claims seem to be creating cults. That is, armies of people who will blindly believe their claims and make themselves feel special. I know that you don't fit in this category, No Leaf Clover.

Remember that time when we had a huge flood of people who were asking how to use ki?? Remember how annoying that was? It just feels like we're having the whole episode happening all over again, but about 5 different belief systems/cults at the same damned time.

As for the alien believers, I apologise to those of you who are honest and interested in the matter, but I hope that all of you who are making all of it up would just go away.

Later
~FT

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:As for the alien believers, I apologise to those of you who are honest and interested in the matter, but I hope that all of you who are making all of it up would just go away.

Yay, I guess! I've known you to vent on here before about various things, but that one just somehow hit home with a couple things you said, or mentioned, rather. I can understand what you were referring to in general now, though, and in general I don't think the people that post on the Zeta or Rep channling posts are of the same ilk as those posting about ki balls because of some inspiration from a certain cartoon, which, out of fairness, isn't necessarily bad, but I would say that such posts can be picked out pretty easily amidst the rest of the posts here, hence the trouble with them.

I don't know about cults, but people like Mayatnik, Edi, Fuzzi, etc., etc., both posting channelings and working in the background are taking on quite a task (if this is what you were referring to). Unlike cult activity, the posts simply ask people that read them to be open to what is being channeled but not to necessarily believe it. There is no organizing of people that believe it's authentic or anything like that so as to form a distinct group.

The people that are behind the posts here on the Astral Pulse are simply trying to get this sort of thing more established so that it's easy for those that are curious to access. Tell the guys running it that you don't believe them, and it's no big deal. Tell them and those of us who are more open to these particular ideas that these things are 'bu's***' and to 'form you own kiddy forum for all your role-playing shenanigans', and that speaks for itself. I hope that I've reached this level of maturity by the time I turn the grand old age of 35 (sorry, sometimes I just can't help myself []).

I love you, Fat Turkey!

PS - I can't remember exactly, but was it you that said you bought The 12th Planet and read through it? It may or may not have been you that said that in a post a while ago, I can't remember. Just wondering what your thoughts are on that book, if it was in fact you that said you read it.

[Akensai]

quote:Originally posted by Fat_Turkey

Well...Where is it??

For those of you that were around in the good old days, I bet you all miss the old conversations on helping others to get out of body, to help accomplish their goals in NEW Energy Ways, and talking about our experiences "out there" and trying to understand it all.

But now, where the hell has that all gone? This site is filled with Alien-Worshipping egotistical p***s who go around claiming they can talk to aliens, and when we don't believe them they seem to claim that we don't have "open minds" because we choose not to believe them.

Then there was the huge wave of the ki krowd. Some of them are STILL around, in the new guise of "Demon Slayers." All of them blabbing about how cool they were in their last demon-killing endevour.

CUT IT OUT!!! This is supposed to be a website where people can learn about themselves, their experiences, and help others to understand. All you're doing is poisoning it with egotistical crap that nobody really wants to hear. Those that do want to hear are just like you - egotistical prats that just want to be a part of your army and help it grow.

And this Judgement Day stuff...this whole "Demonic War," "2012," "Plaeidians" "Greys" "Demons" BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

You can't prove anything with your "mayan calendars," so stop mustering your armies of weak-minded sheep, or at least TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Once again I understand that this post will probably not be appreciated by anybody on the forum, I'm just ticked off by all the clutter. As usual. Just getting my opinion across

~FT

Oh my, where do I begin!

You call others egotistical, but you yourself and your opinion take up enough ego space to fill up the Atlantic Ocean.

You know what open-minded means, it doesn't mean believing everything that is said, it means you are involved in something without judgment, to see where it goes so to say. You my man have the open-mindedness of a towel.

Do people not talk on OBE anymore? Do they not continue their discussions on NEW? There is no excuse for you not to help these people anymore, because they aren't gone, it is you who is, nothing stopping you to get the "good old times" back.

You complain about people who are involved when KI development, you blame that those have now become "demon slayers", yes I agree there are some non-mature people on this board, but instead of blaming them for what they are you could help then, most of them are still young, either in age or in physic development and spirituality, they need you to guide them, for them to grow. Still you don't care about that do you, not really, you say you do, but its not really so, you only care to have things go your own way, your precious old astral pulse where did it go, I tell you, you destroyed it yourself. You who call others egoistical, if they are egoistical is there still a name for people like yourself?

What is the astral pulse? It has grown to be a forum for the "un-worldly" matters, where else can you talk about OBE, Energy development so openly and now it has even became more, is this forum not the prime example of open-mindedness? Talks about aliens, you should be proud of it, don't you understand how unique this is? This entire forum whit the support of so many, yes not all are on the same level, but you should learn of it and you should teach others.

And wasn't it enough? No you had to go on whit you criticizing; you go on and call people to leave, because you don't agree whit what they talk about? WHAT?!? Do you feel you are so righteous?

And in the end you say you feel your post won't be appreciated, and unfortunately some do, SHAME ON YOU AND THOSE THAT AGREE!!!

Think about it, perhaps.................... No you probably won't see my point. It is sad, it really is, so sad.................... I hope the others do see, please do.

[findtruth]

Excellent point, Akensai. I really enjoy coming to these forums and taking part in all manner of discussions.  Some have helped me, and others are just for fun.  If I find something incredibly stupid, I just leave it alone.  Simple, really.[]

[Fat_Turkey]

Akensai, you seem to think that I posted this out of wanting to be known, recognised, heard, and generally having attention brought towards me. I've been here for a lot longer, and you just don't know me quite so well yet []

As for being egotistical, I apologise if I seemed rather selfish about the whole "where's the old astral pulse I knew" approach. What I'm really trying to say is that people seem to be learning less and joining armies more.

As for that remark about my open-mindedness being the equivalent to that of a towel, once again, you don't know me. The first post in this topic from me was a generally anger-filled one, but now that I'm thinking, I can say that I can read those posts about Zeta, Rep., whatever, with less bias and more acceptance to the views of others. As No Leaf has already pointed out, they do have some excellent points for self-growth.

And another thing that tends to happen with every time I vent like this: I always LEARN from it. For example, I have just learnt another valuable lesson in prejudice, contradiction, ego, and acting as if my opinion is the only one that matters.

Back to No Leaf, I haven't read The 12th Planet, I'm getting distracted a LOT. I mean, all these video games aren't gonna play themselves, am I right?[] I've got lots of books and lots of games and lots of homework for most of the time, and on top of that I still come around here to chat/vent[|)] from time to time.

Well that's all for now

Later
~FT

[Akensai]

quote:As for that remark about my open-mindedness being the equivalent to that of a towel, once again, you don't know me. The first post in this topic from me was a generally anger-filled one, but now that I'm thinking, I can say that I can read those posts about Zeta, Rep., whatever, with less bias and more acceptance to the views of others. As No Leaf has already pointed out, they do have some excellent points for self-growth.

Yes, i don't know you, i only judged you on your first post, in fact maybe that was a mistake on my side. Perhaps you do have a bit of a point that there are lots of non-serious posts, but i like this place, i don't think there is that much wrong whit it.

light and love... blessed be.... whatever []

[T_Kman0610]

Well, lately i havnt been here because i have been busy with the craft. But im with ya fat turkey on the note of people filling this website with absurd posts and some of which have nothing to do with the topic. but as far as oppinions go, thats uncontrollable because they have not broken any rules. its all a matter of oppinion and comments. and yes i too dont like what some people have to think about or want to talk about but im not of higher authority to say so. i just ignore it and go on with my life of psting and what not.

well all thats iss all i have to say. Good day to you all and Blessed be

[illusionofyourmind]

well as a newbie to the craft and to this website i can agree with everyone on this thread to a point.  granted i wasn't here back in the "golden age" of the site but i do see plenty of useless threads now although i'm sure even back when fat_turky started there were some if not as many.  but no matter what forum you go to you are going to get that as more people discover it and it grows out of the boundaries you're used to. I expect to be here for a while and I'm sure I'll see all kinds of changes in that time.  there are alot of worthless posts and topics but like Tolvor said those gems you do find amongst the rubbish share a vast wealth of knowledge. I've already learned alot from those and I just ignore the others.  And I apologise that I've pretty much just rehashed most of what everyone else just said.

[Gandalf]

I agree with Fat_Turkey and others that the forums have gone downhill as of late.

Its like the decline and fall of the Roman empire!

For me, I would date the start of this decline from the date that Frank vanished. Not that Frank was the only thing holding the forum together, far from it. Its just a symbolic marker, as I found the forums have been on a downhill slide fince that time.

There has been such an influx of new people since then; as evidence of this, I bet that around 75% of people reading this will not even know who Frank is!

Now, there have been many great new people coming to the forums at this time, which is great, but there has also been an even greater number of butt*oles.

I believe the main problem can be traced to one main factor which no-one seems to have touched upon:
As soon as the moderators, esp. Adrian (sorry Adrian!) started creating countless, pointless subforums for every conceivable topic under the sun, then this had the effect of dilluting the forums as a whole, creating a huge arena for non-astral related topics and attracting busloads of people who were coming here with no interest in astral matters!
Now we have to trawl though all the dross to find anything useful.
Before all the posts were concenrated into a few well though out forums, which also served to restrict conversation to on-topic, astral info.

Now the forums are opened up to people who come here and dont even look at any of the astral topics, the whole purpose for this site!!!

As such we have attracted, demon war, ki and other kiddy dross through all these pointless sub forums.

So Adrian: I would say to you: its time to restructure AP once more, cut out the crap and get the forums back to a *few* good ones, discussing *relevant* astral information and topics. If I want to read about 'Modern christianity' or 'world religions' or 'quantum development' I can do that somewhere else. Also, do we really need seperate forums for 'Astral consciousness' and 'astral experiences'?
This is dillution once again.

Douglas

[Fenris]

The Astral Pulse is still beating regular and at a healthy rate, but hidden in its arteries is a silent and deadly build up, no it's not atherosclerotic plaque – its thousands of posts that didn't ever need to be made.

Well from tell-it-how-it-is Fat Turkey to the well spoken words of Gandalf I have to say as someone who as been here a long time, I pretty well agree. While Akensai came in with some good points also, and it is nice to think of the astralpulse having grown into a big community of all things 'un-worldly' – you only have to read the original threads in comparison to what is current to see what we have now is seriously watered down.

I think another unmentioned reason for this is that when the forum was younger and the community was smaller it seemed more important to sound clever. Which sounds silly but I'm sure some of you will recognise what I mean. People thought up threads that were really impressive, intelligent debates happened all the time and as a person new to a lot of things you had to study to keep up.

From the beginning experienced people helped others with their questions, at first the answers were really good ones, then the same questions kept being asked again, again and AGAIN. People with good answers (with the exception of a notable few) stopped answering and discussing the same worn out points.

The old posts are kept for a reason, and the site also has a search feature for a reason, why not look for answers in the old posts and then discuss new ideas you have from what you have read. Read web sites and books and then discuss them here, or read Robert Bruce's journal articles from the main site. Answering questions is work, being offered a stimulating idea and then sharing your own is conversation – enjoyable.

Rather then just complain and theorise about why things have gone bad, I'm going to try and find the time to do more metaphysical study and post some new and hopefully interesting things. And I think that if everybody who thinks the forum has gone downhill does the same things will improve a lot.

Well that's my rant,
Kind regards
David

[Akensai]

I still think people are exaggerating this, and I also think this is this is part of the reason why this forum has problems. When some one start yelling that the forum is gone downhill he is sure to find some support making it seem like almost everyone thinks so, and thereby ruining the mood of the forum.

I don't deny there are problems here that were not here in the past, but things change you can't go back to what it was, things have gotten bigger, and it is because people have a need for a place to discus things, all "un-worldly" things. I'm sure you all know forums where you post something and no one replies, because no one there to reply, because the forum is complete disserted. This is place is great because you can discus anything and know that you get response to it to. You get a great variance of post, some cleaver, some funny, some provoking, but in the end it does give you something to think about. When this forum losses this, it becomes a rather useless place.

I'm of the opinion when someone doesn't like a forum (religion, channeling etc) he just stays out of it. This way you don't have complained about those "stupid" (matter of opinion) ki, channeling, and demon war topics. This would solve part of the problem.    

There are however some problems that need to be addressed.

1)   The attitude of the people on this forum being very offensive at times (on parts of the site)
2)   Useless topics.
3)   Lack of debt in some post.

These problems whit the exception from the last can be solved whit stricter moderating.

The last is a problem that should be solved by ourselves, by giving a good example.  

An interesting discussion would be how strict the moderation of the forum has to be, and which other things can the moderators do to improve the situation on the forum. (For example: FAQ topics?)  

quote: Rather then just complain and theorize about why things have gone bad, I'm going to try and find the time to do more metaphysical study and post some new and hopefully interesting things. And I think that if everybody who thinks the forum has gone downhill does the same things will improve a lot.

Exactly!!

[Jenadots]

Dear F.T., I have been reading and occasionally responding to items for about 2 years, and I am inclined to agree.  Especially about the channelers and the aliens.  They are such a touchy lot if questioned or commented on with any sort of skepticism.  

I have no anwers, but just wanted to support your opinion.

Jena

[Nick]

Greetings everyone,

Thanks for this topic FT. The comments from all of you are greatly appreciated. There are certainly valid points being made and they have not gone unnoticed.

I think I can speak for Adrian and the other moderators in stating that we want the Astral Pulse to always be a quality forum. We do listen and observe and we do discuss what, if anything, can be done to improve the Astral Pulse.

I've placed a link to this topic in the moderator's forum so we might have a discussion on this issue as well. Again, thank you all for your comments and concerns.

All the best,

[MJ-12]

xx

[no_leaf_clover]

quote:I think I can speak for Adrian and the other moderators in stating that we want the Astral Pulse to always be a quality forum. We do listen and observe and we do discuss what, if anything, can be done to improve the Astral Pulse.

I believe it was Adrian himself that added the channeling sections to the forum. Unless he has for some reason changed his mind about the whole bit I don't think they're going anywhere. And I think subjects like these are the reason for this post. People beat around the bush so as to not get responded to but without that section of the forum I seriously doubt this would be much more than another FT rant on the Ki people.

quote:I've placed a link to this topic in the moderator's forum so we might have a discussion on this issue as well. Again, thank you all for your comments and concerns.

I wonder what exactly is in question. If Adrian has changed his mind, or his guests manage to outweigh his say, then my time afterwards on this forum will be only long enough to read of the news.

[Jenadots]

Hi, everyone.  I don't want the channelers to go away.  Just want them to be a bit more understanding of a skeptical point of view and a bit less arrogant in the how dare you question me attitude.  

I like reading what they have to say even if some of it seems very cultish.  

It is fun to tweak their noses a little [] and no doubt they beleive everything they are channeling.  I did post one question asking if anyone was channeling - us - humananity.  So far, no one has responded.  

Well, every path, is a path and one of the things I have always liked about the AP is that all are welcome.

Sure do miss reading Frank's posts.  Perhaps one day he will return, if he is able.

[Fat_Turkey]

Well...Where is it??

For those of you that were around in the good old days, I bet you all miss the old conversations on helping others to get out of body, to help accomplish their goals in NEW Energy Ways, and talking about our experiences "out there" and trying to understand it all.

But now, where the hell has that all gone? This site is filled with Alien-Worshipping egotistical p***s who go around claiming they can talk to aliens, and when we don't believe them they seem to claim that we don't have "open minds" because we choose not to believe them.

Then there was the huge wave of the ki krowd. Some of them are STILL around, in the new guise of "Demon Slayers." All of them blabbing about how cool they were in their last demon-killing endevour.

CUT IT OUT!!! This is supposed to be a website where people can learn about themselves, their experiences, and help others to understand. All you're doing is poisoning it with egotistical crap that nobody really wants to hear. Those that do want to hear are just like you - egotistical prats that just want to be a part of your army and help it grow.

And this Judgement Day stuff...this whole "Demonic War," "2012," "Plaeidians" "Greys" "Demons" BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.

You can't prove anything with your "mayan calendars," so stop mustering your armies of weak-minded sheep, or at least TAKE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

Once again I understand that this post will probably not be appreciated by anybody on the forum, I'm just ticked off by all the clutter. As usual. Just getting my opinion across

~FT