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[Adun]

Oh no, I'm not immortal! I should not try to get out of body then, I better reject all the knowledge that comes from OOBEs and leave it to the god sapphire, right?

Just some minutes ago i read a topic in Astral FAQ about Frank's model of focuses of consciousness (is the spelling correct?) and this "Being a god and killing demons" smells like Focus2oC...

[Sapphire-]

what is a Buddha?

[Frank]

Sapphire:

Putting my Moderator hat on for a moment:

It sounds to me like all you are doing is prosletysing buddhism under the guise of trying to teach people about astral projection. Nothing to be ashamed of I suppose. We get people trying this on now and again so most long-standing members here are used to it. But I would respectfully suggest that the affair has run it's course to the extent where it is time to close it all down.

With me, no disrespect, but I tend to wait until they start rambling on about white elephants and such like, and then that's a sign of closing time. What you are engaging here is not an OBE discussion. It is a Chat topic. If anyone objects then please make your voice heard. But later today I think this topic should be moved to Chat.

Yours,
Frank

[Shinobi]

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[Frank]

Shinobi:

Forgive me, if you are something of an expert at Buddhism then please make your voice heard. It all just sounds a bit too not an OBE discussion for the OBE Discussions section. By my saying the person was prosletysing Buddism I didn't necessarily mean the person in question knew what they were talking about. :)

If it is not Buddism at all then I meant no offence if that is your particular religion. It's just that the word "Buddha" was mentioned a few times and I assumed Buddhism.

Yours,
Frank

[Witan]

Finally - it was about time Frank
I can`t wait for your next newsletter

[Tombo]

Unusually, "Buddha" means the one, the enlighten one (His name is Siddhartha) .  Who really understand life and death and think everything is not real (For example: Life is short, so it is not real, but soul is real.)  

Buddha does not believe in a soul! That was his teaching, nothing is permanent all thing are dissatisfactory and without self, realizing that leads to freedom and happiness. No Soul there is, he made that very clear.

So, just for the record this thread has nothing to do with Buddhism.

[Witan]

" Who really understand life and death and think everything is not real (For example: Life is short, so it is not real, but soul is real.)"
Sapphire are you joking or what ? You have the understanding of Buddhism of a 12 years old. I thought Gods would be able to think more deeply  actually.
"Life is short so it is not real" - wow, nice reasoning.

[Starfirecrystal]

OK, now, I dont really remember, but this one time, I kinda remember leaving my body, and roaming around this unknown place about 5 years ago (I was 9). Since that one time, I was capable of leaving my body on own free will. But recently, I have'nt been able to do so, as if I'm not able to anymore.. Might you know whats wrong?

[Hans Solo]

OK, now, I dont really remember, but this one time, I kinda remember leaving my body, and roaming around this unknown place about 5 years ago (I was 9). Since that one time, I was capable of leaving my body on own free will. But recently, I have'nt been able to do so, as if I'm not able to anymore.. Might you know whats wrong

Nothings wrong, you just need to practice.  Read all the post in the FAQ's section and Permanent Astral topics, then read posts by Frank, and other moderators.  They will really help you with this SKILL.  I want to make sure you realize that it is a skill and not an ability doled out to a few "gods" like Sapphire would want you to think.  I have also projected "naturally" before, but what circumstances caused this is up for debate. Stick around and learn the techniques that will develop this skill.

Notice how Sapphire hasn't given any information on "Projecting with ease", just the same old "I am a high rank god" type stuff.  I suspect he would say something along the lines of "I am a high rank god, so therefore I can project with ease". Nice.

Sapphire, once you learn more about the liquid (thoughts=reality) characteristic of focus 2 I believe you will come to understand the misinterpretations of your experiences.  At face value, it looks as if you indeed have an ability to project, so I would recommend you read some of Frank's post on how to phase into Focus 3 from Focus 2.  It is there you will find your answers. Sorry for comming down on you so hard, but I felt your theories (so called facts) concerning Negs trying to trap people were detrimental to the development of many of the newer members here.  

Best of luck,

Han

[-->PhenomenoN<--]

Sapphire-

I understand what your saying about the god/goddess part.

Yeah that experience was very life-like, very realistic - I could see in full color etc.   I'm not too sure what you mean by full body. I never really looked down at my body -  my body was functioning as it always was normal.  - ex. I walked over to my wall, stuck my arm through etc.  

I think the reason I couldn't get into 'heaven' is because my state of mind wasn't in the right place to do so.   I dunno tho.  

(A lil bit about me) - I've always been a spiritual person - I've struggled alot along the way though.  It's kinda hard to let go of all these egotistical things.  Lately I've been falling asleep with a bottle of liquor by my side so I'm sure that messes up a few things-experiences.  
Tell me what you wanna know about me - I don't mind sharing.

[Starfirecrystal]

Thanks Han, that helped a bit. I'll go read the FAQ's right now. But I'm afraid sometime's too, the last time I left my body, I appeared to be in an area that looked like hell, I felt dizzy, hard to breath, and I lost concentration, and the air was burning, not saying that it might've been hell, thats when I woke up, I was back in my body. Yeah, and since then, I did'nt leave my body for awhile. Then the day's became a year, and once i tried re-leaving my body, I was stomped. I felt as though there was a tough bubble surrounding my body, unabbleing me to leave, and then I would return to my body... So I just thought I'd speak of my situation.
Thanks for the help Han, and yeah, I think sapphire was kinda over this whole thing, and yeah sapphire, I truly mean this, you kinda whent alittle over the whole
"I'm a high ranked god"
To tell you the truth, no one give's a bonk.
Sorry for the bad language, but your theories are'nt giving enough for the new member's like me for example. So what I'm saying, is that Han solo was right.
Again, thank's for the help.

[Hans Solo]

Thanks Han, that helped a bit. I'll go read the FAQ's right now. But I'm afraid sometime's too, the last time I left my body, I appeared to be in an area that looked like hell, I felt dizzy, hard to breath, and I lost concentration, and the air was burning, not saying that it might've been hell, thats when I woke up, I was back in my body. Yeah, and since then, I did'nt leave my body for awhile. Then the day's became a year, and once i tried re-leaving my body, I was stomped. I felt as though there was a tough bubble surrounding my body, unabbleing me to leave, and then I would return to my body... So I just thought I'd speak of my situation.

Once, you understand that you were in a Focus 2 environment everything will make sense.  In Focus 2 you will realize that thoughts=reality, so if you are scared that you will see a "devil" then you will see this "devil". Your mind can literally create any scenario it wants to in this environment.  This is why Sapphire is always being called a god, because his ego is "manifesting before his eyes". I was scared too for a while because a similar experience as your, and this really stunted my progress.  However, reading Frank's post will REALLY be beneficial to your progress.  He lays the "reality" of Foucus 2 out so it is very understandable, and pretty soon you will laugh at all the previous beliefs of Negs and the such in this environment.

For instance, a while back I phased into the RTZ and walked through walls and stuff, and said "I now move inward" (Bulhman style), and indeed I felt movement.  When I felt this movement I thought "I hope my subconscious doesn't think I meant inward into the Earth".  Very quickly I though "I wonder if there are caverns below me".  Sure enough I Phased into a Focus 2 "cavern" environment with a lava river covering most of the floor.  Then, I saw reptilian creatures in the cavern.  I tried to remain cool and unemotional about the whole thing and Phase into Focus 3.  However, one of the Reptilian creatures saw me and was going to attack!  I was amused at this and decided to try something.  So, instead of a light saber I pulled out and empty 5 gallon water tank and started belting him with this thing!  He eventually fell into the lava and died.  Then his lava splash came up and crashed over me.  

I woke up and thought how funny this episode was, because just the other day I was listening to a radio program at work.  On this program some nut was talking about reptilian aliens living in the earth and stealing human babies to make as slaves!  So, I can see how my mind put this whole scenario together. Rather silly huh? Believe me, I will phase in to a nicer focus 2 environment next time so I can Phase to Focus 3 with out any annoying distractions.


Han solo

[Kazbadan]

In F2 toughts= eality, but can exist a spereated reality achieved by f2?

I mean, can you go to a place in F2 that exist by itself, even if you dont think on it?!?

[Sapphire-]

Many people

[Sapphire-]

ok im

[Hans Solo]

This topic is just ridiculous.  I have nothing further to say about this nonsense.

Han

[Sapphire-]

what is a Buddha?

Lots on -
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2coff=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=define%3ABuddha&btnG=Search

"Buddha ... can refer to ... anyone who has attained the same depth and quality of enlightenment. "

Right on.

[Sapphire-]

he is not trying to create a cult but he sure sounds like a cult leader with all those ideas of his and him being a GOD and then he talks about humans like he is not a human but we all know he is it scares me you should read everything frank has posted and lose all those ideas of yours cuse its screwing up your head i dont think its healthy.

[Sapphire-]

TOmbo...you dont know who is Buddha?! without any offense, i think that its strange...but please i am not being ironic. maybe thats because you are from a non english country and in your tongue you have a different word.
Buddha was the creator of Buddhism, a religion. honestly i dont know how to translate buddhism or buddha to your language.

see you

[Sapphire-]

TOmbo...you dont know who is Buddha?! without any offense, i think that its strange...but please i am not being ironic. maybe thats because you are from a non english country and in your tongue you have a different word.
Buddha was the creator of Buddhism, a religion. honestly i dont know how to translate buddhism or buddha to your language.

see you

[Sapphire-]

This is exactly what I meant - he/she sounds like a cult leader, who cares he doesn`t recruit yet.
Sapphire - a cult isn't necessary a completely other religion. Go to a catholic/orthodox priest and tell him you are a God, let's see how he will react.
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[Sapphire-]

wow this is an intersting thread i dunno if any of you remember me but i havent been around in a LONG time well sapphire this is a very interesting thing going on here could you pm or something so we can talk?

[Sapphire-]

who me?

[Sapphire-]

Tombo, now i see where you wanna get.

about being a buddha, i think that if a buddhist (be it bddha or not) want to help everyome, he can reeicarnate in order to to that.

the Dalai Lama for instance, its a reeicarnation of someone that wants to help others..for that reason he still being reincarnating.

just my opinion about buddhism and reeincarnation.

sorry for the off topic guys