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[Sapphire-]

I

[Nay]

My guess is: Could it be Nay? So, when Nay is reading this, I want you to tell me if this person was you? If the person was you, I am going to help you to appear in full color with my knowledge.

Sorry I missed some posts..my dang contacts decided they did not want to live anymore and thus have left me quite blind and I have at least 4 more days until my new ones come in..grrrrrrr...this squinting and leaning two  inches away from the screen is not fun, so I'm sticking to the mods forum..lol

I don't think it is me though. But ya never know.  When I get my new contacts I will read thru the posts again.

Take Care,

Nay...the blind god...hehe.. just kidding!!  

[Sapphire-]

My guess is: Could it be Nay? So, when Nay is reading this, I want you to tell me if this person was you? If the person was you, I am going to help you to appear in full color with my knowledge.

[mactombs]

Then I would be able to tell if you belong to Heaven or the kingdom of gods.

I belong to the Gods of the Abyss (union leader, in fact).

[Sapphire-]

Then I would be able to tell if you belong to Heaven or the kingdom of gods.

I belong to the Gods of the Abyss (union leader, in fact).

[Vvid1012]

I actually am not quite sure what they tasted like.  Truely  a unique taste with some sort of filling inside...nothing like any sort of candy here... and nope, didn't taste like shells either.

[Witan]

Heaven chocolate ? God status ? heaven god ?  
You are a god and you can't even spell properly ? There is even a spell checker on this forum. You write like a 12 year old MIRC kiddie. Plus you say you have read this forums for some time - yet you have no (i say again: NO) knowledge about astral and the Alice in wonderland effect.

First i thought it was a joke - and all the other were just making fun. But it's the 4th page already - I'm starting to believe you are all serious down here.

To all the other except the OP: How big is your ego ? You hear you're some sort of god and you're starting to believe it? If i say you are idiots I'll get banned and none of you will give it a thought...

Sapphire - You say you are the only one who can leave earth - have you ever read a book on this subject at least ?

I know because of this post i`ll get perhaps 20 minds directing hatred towards me and a ban but i`ll take the risk.

The "best" part was when you (sapphire) said you went to hell and saw all those people and their sins - and you thought: "they deserve what they get down there". I wonder the kind of justice you would actually serve if you were a GOD. You have no actual understanding of cause and effect do you ?

There must be something else in heaven (or the land of the highest rank gods with blue dots and Golden status) except chocolates - maybe idiots?

I have just one request before someone bans me or takes any kind of action towards this message: don't edit my message, don`t delete my message. You can ban me, ignore me, even reply with even more cynicism, but for the sakes of free will please leave my message alone.

Why I care so much about this message is because I think this is the typical example from where all the mysticism and fanaticism, which Franks talks about,  is coming from. This is an example of the early stages for a future mystic.

[knightlight]

I prefer to remain open  minded to both mystical and scientific approaches.  Both sides have their fanatics.  Its nice to hear from everyone no matter how out there they are, and on such subjects as this how do we know whos right?

[astralp]

I can astral project sometimes.  Not really at will though.  I have tried to leave earth but i can't do it yet.  I can fly pretty well.  I can't fly very fast though.  can you tell me how to leave earth and experience places in the astral that can help me spiritually.  Also i was curios to how you astral project.  What methods do you use to astral project.  thanks.

[Vvid1012]

Witan,

This thread was simply about our experiences in the astral... whichever they might be.  You don't have to like them or read them either.  However, we are all here to share and learn from eachother... no need for the hostile comments

[-->PhenomenoN<--]

I tend to find myself flying around my neighboorhood/town.  Outside my house.

-haven't consciously gone out of body (yet)

[Tombo]

Witan why should anyone ban you? Your comments are certainly healthy for the discussion, if you would just manage to be a bit more polite, everything would be fine and nobody would hate you I'm sure.

[astral man]

Witan and Sapphire, i have a question for both of you...

First i would like to start off with witan....Now why do you personally take the scientific approach to life??? i am just curious. Would you rather believe in something that people have such a limited knowledge of, that i can't stress enough MOST OF THE KNOWLEDGE THEY DO HAVE IS MADE UP AND NOT PROVEN AT ALL!!!! i mean at least people can actually report SOME evidence of astral projection!!! THEY ARE ALL THEORIES THAT SCIENTISTS HAVE for example creation of the universe etc.Or would you rather infinite knowledge. Now i have read many a theory that scientists have made up ( not that i have a grudge or anything towards science ) but some of them are just plain ridiculous! How can you honestly doubt, or say anything about astral projection, etc is not real? People try and look for the most logical thing possible, and just cause someone can't fly here doesn't mean they can't somewhere else.

And sapphire i have a question about dreams, as i noticed there was a couple of posts about them, and you said that when we dream, we may be out of body. Well here goes... I have begun to notice that i "live" my dreams more. I still do not become fully lucid, but i "go through them" till i wake up. anyway if i am out of body, why are my dreams always dark, and mostly negative. For example the other night i had a dream that i was in my school, and in one of the corridors. I was then being chased after someone that was trying to harm me... Most of my dreams appear like this. Am i a magnet for negs, and are the dark just because it is night?

[Witan]

Tombo - Why I`m so scared of being ban or my message deleted ? Because Frank did that on my last 2 actually It is in my nature to be polite and slightly ironic all the time, but that's not really obvious after reading that last message is it ?
astral man - don`t change the topic. I am not referring to science versus anything at the moment. I don`t really care who is right actually. But can`t you see what is happening here ? Cultism at its highest.
The whole thing sounds like: I am a God because I know it, I can OBE with ease, and beings told me I am GOD, besides that I can leave Earth - no one else can. What did you say John ? You had a similar experience ? Let me check something for a second....   Yes, I was right, you are a Red Dot God - which is half immortal (whatever that means, maybe you live half the life of an immortal god - so that means you will basically live for ever - still you`re not a God but a Red Dot God). Yes I've been to Hell - and I must tell you, believe it or not - it is REALLY HOT there (yes they have chocolate in hell too - but it's all melted), and I wanted to help - but then I saw what that man did in his life after his parents were killed in his face in his childhood, yes he deserves to be tormented forever. If i say so it must  be so i guess, no ? I am a God after all. What Witan, what did you say ? I have a big ego or I'm trying to deceive others ? Hmmm let me check something - yes, i was right again, wow, you are a demon trying to deceive these angels with cool powers to find the truth.

I have nothing against OBE experiences - but I think it would be best for everyone to use reason before they come to the conclusion they are GODS. The whole thing is hilarious - (yes they have chocolate in heaven).

[Witan]

astral man - i read your post again (your native language is probably not enlglish - don`t worry I`m in the same situation). You somehow think that I doubt that OBE or AP exists. No - I don`t doubt that at all.
For your knowledge even the creation of the universe theories have some arguments behind them - and the name theory is there for a reason i guess.

[Hans Solo]

But can`t you see what is happening here ? Cultism at its highest.
The whole thing sounds like: I am a God because I know it, I can OBE with ease, and beings told me I am GOD, besides that I can leave Earth - no one else can. What did you say John ? You had a similar experience ? Let me check something for a second.... Yes, I was right, you are a Red Dot God - which is half immortal (whatever that means, maybe you live half the life of an immortal god - so that means you will basically live for ever - still you`re not a God but a Red Dot God). Yes I've been to Hell - and I must tell you, believe it or not - it is REALLY HOT there (yes they have chocolate in hell too - but it's all melted), and I wanted to help - but then I saw what that man did in his life after his parents were killed in his face in his childhood, yes he deserves to be tormented forever. If i say so it must be so i guess, no ? I am a God after all. What Witan, what did you say ? I have a big ego or I'm trying to deceive others ? Hmmm let me check something - yes, i was right again, wow, you are a demon trying to deceive these angels with cool powers to find the truth.

 Thank you Witan,it was about time that someone took him (god/sapphire) to task.  I hope Sapphire is a 15 year old boy and not some 35 year old looking to start a cult.  Now I know that some believe that we are all "gods", and this may or may not be true.  That is not what I wanted to discuss, it was Sapphire's holier than thou attitude that needed to be astrally B*tch slapped.

It reminded me of those mystics that rank OBE as one of the "highest" forms of spiritual enlightenment that only they can achieve.  Then, the proceed to act as gurus telling people they are not ready to learn that technique yet, so they get this "shut up, fall in line and worship me attitude"  Thank god we are quickly learning that all this mystical dogma is just a bunch of hogwash, or at best covered in thick layers of crud.

But there are risk involved, because when you are out of earth, lots of other gods and beings will see you. They might capture you, so I do not recommend you get out of the earth. I was just very daring and careless about if I was able to make it back (if you can not make it back, your human body might become "Vegetable" the body is here, but the soul was gone.) I was captured many times, but because I have a god status, and own many magic powers, so I always make it to rescue myself and make it to come back

Total and utter garbage, there is NO evidence of this.  Almost everybody that OBE's knows this is garbage. Most likely you make these demons you slay

There is no way you can tear me down, trust me, my friend. You do not have the experience, does not mean other will not.

I tell you why I know I am a high rank God. At this moment, I have not found anyone make it to leave earth yet. And I have already make it to the kingdom of all gods many times, and almost countless

Ummmm............. You do realize what forum this is, don't you?  I mean, you know that the topic of discussion here is Astral Projection, right?

Actually, I take back everything I just said.  I didn't want to say this but I am also a high rank god. In fact, I am higher than you are, by a couple orders of magnitude.  So,  I will have reign over the souls of people and earth, and because I am nice I will give you rein over the souls of dust mites, and lice.  Reign well my friend, reign well!  

Han Solo

[Witan]

Thank God (and I don`t mean you Saphire) someone else agrees with me.

[Sapphire-]

I actually am not quite s

[Sapphire-]

Heaven chocolate ? God status ? heaven god ?  
You are a god and you can't even spell properly ? There is even a spell checker on this forum. You write like a 12 year old MIRC kiddie. Plus you say you have read this forums for some time - yet you have no (i say again: NO) knowledge about astral and the Alice in wonderland effect.

[Sapphire-]

I prefer to remain open  minded to both mystical and scientific approaches.  Both sides have their fanatics.  Its nice to hear from everyone no matter how out there they are, and on such subjects as this how do we know whos right?

[Sapphire-]

I can astral project sometimes.

[Sapphire-]

Witan,

This thread was simply about our experiences in the astral... whichever they might be.  You don't have to like them or read them either.  However, we are all here to share and learn from eachother... no need for the hostile comments

[Witan]

Sapphire - this is intended to help you although it may not seem that obviuos. I'm trying to show that the conclusions you make are ridicoulus. Is it that hard to understand that Astral is a THOUGHT-SENSITIVE place ? Where your thoughts become reality ? If you can`t grasp that concept than there is nothing else for me to say.

[Tombo]

Witan, Since you native language isn't english (same as me) I give you a good tip that I learnt from somebody:

Never try to be ironic in a language other then your mother tongue, because most of the time others won't get it!

[Sapphire-]

Personally, it has always eluded me why people associate OBEs with power and "god-like statuses".

That wording is likely to receive some negative response, and these forums are also for debate where we don't always have to argue as emotionless automatons under a restrictive banner of "love and light" and feigned spirituality.