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[Sapphire-]

I tend to find myself flying around my neighboorhood/town.  Outside my house.

-haven't consciously gone out of body (yet)

[Witan]

yeah - i`m aware of that, but you got the irony, Hans did. Maybe because you`re from Europe - but then again you understood my message.
Anyway - i did say it directly in my last message so it shouldn`t be a problem.

[Witan]

Sapphire i do not agree - There are thousands of people just like you who are more than happy to fight demons and other beings like that. Sorry to burst your bubble...

In fact many people do not call it courage anymore - they prefer the word egocentristic.

You seem a DBZ generation kid - that would be a happy case.

[Sapphire-]

Witan and Sapphire, i have a question for both of you...

[Vvid1012]

Well I do agree the term 'god' is a little or even a lot exaggerated.  This is because of my background and how I'v viewed that term my whole life.  However, I have no clue of Sapphire's history and actual definition of 'god' is.  Perhaps not as extreme ( maybe lost in translation). Take it with a grain of salt or whatever.

I do, however, have an argument against people's beliefs in this whole 'rabbit hole effect' and how it's only themselves.  Yes I believe in the astral you can manifest and see whatever you like.  It has been said many times that you are projecting into your own mind...The problem I see with this is, we are ultimately all connected.  Energy is constantly being exchanged among people.  What stops Us from projecting into someone else's mind? someone else's experiences or problems?  I've heard many accounts of people projecting, meeting, and later both recalling the same obe.  How is this possible if it's only within one mind?

I believe souljah was touching on this in another thread...but if we have the ability to choose what we see, we also have the ability to choose what NOT to see.  If we choose only to see flowers and people that are already happy, we will see them.  At the same time we are choosing not to see people of a lower freq that are in need of help, perhaps.  And yes there are people that are in need of help today--we all are.  

just keep an open mind, is what Im saying

[Sapphire-]

astral man - i read your post again (your native language is probably not enlglish - don`t worry I`m in the same situation). You somehow think that I doubt that OBE or AP exists. No - I don`t doubt that at all.
For your knowledge even the creation of the universe theories have some arguments behind them - and the name theory is there for a reason i guess.

[Sapphire-]

But can`t you see what is happening here ? Cultism at its highest.

[Sapphire-]

Thank God (and I don`t mean you Saphire) someone else agrees with me.

[Sapphire-]

Sapphire - this is intended to help you although it may not seem that obviuos. I'm trying to show that the conclusions you make are ridicoulus. Is it that hard to understand that Astral is a THOUGHT-SENSITIVE place ? Where your thoughts become reality ? If you can`t grasp that concept than there is nothing else for me to say.

[Sapphire-]

Witan, Since you native language isn't english (same as me) I give you a good tip that I learnt from somebody:

Never try to be ironic in a language other then your mother tongue, because most of the time others won't get it!

[Sapphire-]

Well I do agree the term 'god' is a little or even a lot exaggerated.  This is because of my background and how I'v viewed that term my whole life.  However, I have no clue of Sapphire's history and actual definition of 'god' is.  Perhaps not as extreme ( maybe lost in translation). Take it with a grain of salt or whatever.

I do, however, have an argument against people's beliefs in this whole 'rabbit hole effect' and how it's only themselves.  Yes I believe in the astral you can manifest and see whatever you like.  It has been said many times that you are projecting into your own mind...The problem I see with this is, we are ultimately all connected.  Energy is constantly being exchanged among people.  What stops Us from projecting into someone else's mind? someone else's experiences or problems?  I've heard many accounts of people projecting, meeting, and later both recalling the same obe.  How is this possible if it's only within one mind?

I believe souljah was touching on this in another thread...but if we have the ability to choose what we see, we also have the ability to choose what NOT to see.  If we choose only to see flowers and people that are already happy, we will see them.  At the same time we are choosing not to see people of a lower freq that are in need of help, perhaps.  And yes there are people that are in need of help today--we all are.  

just keep an open mind, is what Im saying

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[-->PhenomenoN<--]

Sapphire - yeah, most of my experiences are of me flying.  It's such a great experience.  - sometimes it's kinda hard.  -  I've never had any conversations - or heard any.  - My obes usually occur during lucid dreaming.  After having a very vivid dream - my awareness changes - and it's usually becomes dark and fresh- My last OBE i remember asking for my "spirit guide" and my cat came out - not to my surprise.  I was almost expecting it to be that.  

Astral Man - try changing your perspective about OBE's.  Maybe you kinda have a fear for them that's why your getting your negative reactions.  My OBE's have ranged greatly, depending on my mood and state of mind at the time.  It's really no surprise to me some of the expereinces I've had - it all depending on my state of mind at that time.  u know?  Start having a like for them and I'm sure they'll start changing, for the pos.

[-->PhenomenoN<--]

We are ALL connected.  All consequences is connected - just focused differently.  [/i]

[Kazbadan]

I think that Sapphire believes in what she says about being a God. Honestly, i dont care if she(or he?!) is a god or not...really. So, why mind with that?

The storys about chocolate in heaven and so, are funny and interesting...these are things that she/he sees in the astral and i like that kind of things. Since saphire it is not offending no one neither trying to create any cult (well..i think not), i dont care if you have 15 years and you are lying or if you have indeed obes and you are god.

Well, it would be interesting to really know that what you say its true, that would be better...


Anyway, i think that the "god" condition its reached when your all life reeicarnates/get to live in another realm of existence....if AP realms are real.

Otherwise, you can reach a much more powerfull (whatever that means) god state by reaching the inner understanding of all things...i mean, if you get like Buddha, with a True view of everythinh (i am supposing that some storys about Buddha are real).

[Witan]

Ok - it seems I was wrong about the people on this forums. Being open minded is one thing, being stupid is another.
One last advice for Sapphire: try editing your message, rather than posting 5 messages one after another - you`ll anger a moderator eventually.

[Kazbadan]

I am not being stupid, just sating that i really dint care since my own studys about death, obes, etc, will not be affected by sapphire. I just lik eto hear nice storys, with imagination. Like the one about chocolate...hummm!

[Hans Solo]

I don't care if Sapphire thinks he is a god or not, that is not the issue here.  It is the things HE KNOWS to be true that I care about.  These things are the same old "scare the Sh*T out of you" mystic dogma that should have died out 300 years ago.  I will give examples:

1. Devils will steal your soul-negs are everywhere myth:  When I first started to OBE is was scared Sh*tless of these "creatures", and this stupid belief really stunted my progress.  It wasn't until I started to read Franks post that the "ball droped" and I realized and confirmed that focus 2 is really inside of me and not outside.  Recently, when i phase to focus 2 I am much more calm and collected and think more about going to focus 3 than looking for a neg around every corner.  This is how you make progress.  I love when Sapphire says that he is the ONLY one that can handle these creatures.  I laughed at this because that is what EVERYONE does when they first go to Focus 2--KILL ALL NEGS (astral warrior type Cr*P)

2.  He is the only one that can leave earth:  IS HE SERIOUS?  with phasing I usually don't go to focus 1(or the real time zone), and so I guess I leave earth also.  Same "I am more enlightened than you, so you are not ready to learn argument" that mystics have used to keep themselves above there subjects for centuries.  Has he ever heard of William Bulhman, Robert Bruce, Frank, Major Tom, Adrian, etc X 100 people here!  He is the only one that can leave earth--HA (too funny).  


All I can say is to use critical thinking.  You can be open minded, but I am guessing most of you are young.  This is fine because you still have an open mind, however there are always people out there that will want to fleece you to prop up themselves (whether monetarily or otherwise).  Sapphire just sounds like he is coming to conclusions based upon ego masturbation.

oh, and Sapphire I bet that EVERYONE here knows about Remote viewing.  It is also very easy to just list "psychic skills" as if you can do them.  Watch, I can do it too:

Levitation
Teleportation
Bilocation
ESP
Transmutation
etc

Han

[Witan]

I also agree with you Hans Solo - Sapphire if you didn`t understood it from me (being ironic and all) you should get it from this guy.

[mrpete]

ignore me

[Hans Solo]

He is talking about focus 2 in most post, and MAYBE Focus 3 (in Franks linear model).  Although, he packages it up like no one else can do the same (HA).  IMO, Frank is WAY beyond Sapphire in terms of projection experience and understanding of Astral projection.

However, many people love to latch on to the mystical interpretations of things because they are more "sexy/mysterious".


Han

[-->PhenomenoN<--]

My first OBE i remember wanting to see heaven + hell.

I woke up knowing I was out of body, got out of bed, just tried to remain calm walked over to my wall, stuck my arm through it.  Cool!!  Hopped outside, started floating around -here to there, around my backyard.   While outside I thought about God/heaven.  'I wonder if I can reach heaven'.  I started flying up.  I'm in a room with other people trying to open a door-safe thing on the ceiling that supposedly lead to heaven.  We couldn't get it open.  I flew back down.  I'm outside my house again floating around.  'Maybe I should try hell'.  Kinda hesitantly, a little nervous, I start flying underground.  I kinda get nervous - I start hearing evil laughter and a face of a devil kinda pops out at me.  Laughing evily 'NEVERMIND' - i fly back out.
This was probably my most vivid-clear experience.  That week I had really been wanting to experience one - i had been listening to hemi-sync cds, just trying to fall asleep in the right mood, and all that.  
Basically I think the OBE place projects your thoughts/feelings all simultaneously - imaginations of your mind
That's probably why Sapphire has all these type of experiences - it's just the type of person he/she is.  
U can get an idea about what's going on in a person's mind by hearing they're experiences.  U know?

[Sapphire-]

I do, however,

[astralp]

ok im going to work on manifesting a weapon with me that i can defend myself with.  Ill let you know when i do this because i really want to leave earth and see what else is out there.

also, have you talked to ST. Anthony about what you experienced yet.  i would like to know if he remembers it at all.  

and also, how come you can't tell anyone your methods for astral projecting?

[Sapphire-]

Sapphire -

[Sapphire-]

We are ALL connected.  All consequences is connected - just focused differently.  [/i]

Agreed.