What is the Astral Pulse

[MJ-12]

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[Arc]

I understand what adrian and beth said,because a lot of people in here aren't as experienced as others, and might say something wron or offer bad advice. It's ok to put your two cents in, but when you really know what you are talking about. I admit, I've gone off-topic once in a while. I also know your where you are coming from as well. We shold all get to debate and say what we want.

I'm not stating my opinion, as I don't want to get into any fights, I'm just stating the fact for people. If anyone else has their two-cents to contribute, go ahead.

[Nay]

Dearest Mustardseed,

I don't think I have ever addressed your post, correct me if I am wrong..(which I know you will..lol.)

It seems you're very well spoken and know your own mind..but you are sooooo negative sometimes.  You are correcting people for the same exact same thing YOU do.  

You love conflict, because it gives you the chance to use that very large vocabulary and widespread memory of things you have read and stored.

Believe me when I say I am in awe of your abiltities to form a eloquent post, but there always seems to be something underlining these posts.  Like a, I'm spitting in your face but will convince you it is raining kind of thing.

HEHEHE..heck, I was hesitant to post this, for the fear of the expected tongue lashing I shall recieve from you.  I stepped up to the plate though, and do it willingly.

What is your point, my friend?  I think, there really isn't one, you love conflict..tis all. You love the battle of the words and wills!  Which I will say, you are wonderful at!! []

But please...enough already..I really don't get it.

Nay []

[Nagual]

Personaly, while I indulge in some discusions/"arguments", I mostly don't care about other people's opinions...  I am only interested with practical aspects, exercices and technics that I could try...

I don't like to be told what to see.
I like to be told how to see.

That's the main reason I like Castaneda's books; it's full of practical things/exercises to do/try and see by yourself.

[TheSeeker]

I personally come here to discuss.  To discuss anything that is interesting to me.  I come here to read of other's experiences, and to share mine (limited as they may be at this time).

I personally don't care what 'education' people have on the subject matter, I would rather hear about their experiences, and not what they were taught or read in a book.

[beavis]

u think astralpulse is a skool? 10 days detention for you!

[Tisha]

Before I begin, let me qualify my statements by telling you that this is MY OPINION, not that of the Astralpulse founders, or any of the moderators.

Mustardseed, you speak mainly of the Religion section.  The tone in the Religion section has been distinctively different than that of the other sections, which for the most part are safe haven for this  free-for-all of honest, insightful, intelligent, silly, confused, and insane opinions and experiences, all related (generally) to otherworldly matters.

We discovered that when it comes to discussing religion, many people's worst sides come out.  People become reactionary, bitter, accusatory and MEAN.  All this, despite the fact that they don't know anything beyond the most rudimentary information they were spoon fed in church!  It caused a lot of problems, as knee-jerk reactionary mean-ness bled into just about every other topic on Astralpulse.
Beth came to the rescue, in our attempt to bring an educated sense of history, reason, and context into the various religious debates, which were corralled into a new Religion section, so that everyone else (who did not want to be bothered by religious debates) could be left in peace.  It stands to reason that the Religion section would have a much more "educational" feel to it than the other forums. And for that, personally, I am most grateful, because frankly I was sick of inane, circular, religious arguments from knee-jerk reactionaries. Some religious education was TRULY in long order.

Mustardseed, your Nemesis (Beth) is long-gone, having left to work on her book.  So why are you beating this dead horse?  Do you miss her?  All over Astralpulse there is still a free-for-all, where people share opinions and experiences, ask questions, share ideas. That's the purpose of Astralpulse . . . it's a Forum.  Check it out!

[kakkarot]

quote:Instead of filling these pages full of empty and petty criticism, you should be taking advantage of what is offered to you here.

if you don't want conflict, don't be a part of it. but just because you feel that someone else's attitude isn't what you like doesn't mean they can't have valuable knowledge and insight.

accept the good and don't dwell on the bad. otherwise you're life will be much more miserable than it needs to be. after all, you don't have to sit there and listen to them if you don't want to. [|)]

~kakkarot

[Squeek]

You can divide the forums up like so... (My opinions)

75% is for the sharing of information across a wide network of users all across the world.

10% is for useless debates.

10% is for useless nothingness.

5% is for flooders.

It started out at 100% sharing of information, but certain factors led to that decrease.  Let's see if we can get it to go back up []

~Squeek

[Adrian]

Greetings Mustardseed,

quote:Originally posted by Mustardseed

Recently I have had a very intense exchange of opinions with Beth and Adrian. I am starting to wonder what the reason for the AP really is. Is this a debate forum or is this a class taught by the ones assumed to have superiour intellect and education

(Beth said

We have tip-toed around you guys for too long.

Good people have spent many hours on this board offering you and Mustardseed (and whoever else) a great deal of very important information -- FREE OF CHARGE. We are the ones who have invested the time, the effort, and the expense to educate ourselves. We bought the books, took the classes, and studied the languages--for you. We decided to share all that we have learned with you, because we know how very hard it is to get the education that we have. We also know that it is not feasible for everyone to do.

But what do you do instead of be grateful for the free education that you are receiving? You insult and criticize instead of learn of things you do not know. Instead of filling these pages full of empty and petty criticism, you should be taking advantage of what is offered to you here. You should be asking more questions of us instead of bringing the valid questions of others to a screeching halt with your circular arguments and marytr complexes

Tisha has answered your question extremely well.

I would just reiterrate however that the Religious forums were created specifically to contain religious discussions, mainly due to the fact that heavy religious discussions were taking place in Astral Chat and elsewhere. It does only seem to be the religious discussions that you have a problem with. The religious forums, in isolation are in no way representative of the original charter of the Astral Pulse, but, as it happens, thanks in no small part to Beth who has devoted considerable time, effort and energy in providing extensive evidence from numerous sources as to the truth of the bible and other orthoxies, have proved very useful indeed. Her work is both courageous and extremely valuable, and the resultant discussions have proved to be most interesting, and an excellent compliment to all of the other discussions taking place at the Astral Pulse.

We have to remember that religion is towards the opposite end of the pole of Spirituality, and only when people generally can reconcile the truth about both can they make true individual progress on the path. To that end, the religious forums have proven invaluable as a source of impartial information which will assist such reconciliation.

Your tone both here and there is one which seems like bitterness, but in reality, I suggest, you feel threatened both by Beth's powerful and eloquent debating style, and in particular the truths she shares with us all. I for one really look forward to Beth's book on these subjects, however, the millions of Mustardseeds out there are going to have similar problems I suspect, with respect. But sooner or later all of mankind will have to face up to all of these realities, and, for the sake of the human race, I really hope it is sooner.

Mustardseed, the fact is; you do not have to visit the religious forums or participate. The fact that you do suggests to me that you are absorbing much of what is being said there, while feeling angry about it. Rather than blame the Astral Pulse, Beth and myself, thereby shooting the proverbial messengers, I suggest, with respect, you spend that time with some sincere introspection, analysing why you feel this way, and to reconcile against your own path.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Adrian]

Greetings Squeek,

quote:Originally posted by Squeek

You can divide the forums up like so... (My opinions)

75% is for the sharing of information across a wide network of users all across the world.

10% is for useless debates.

10% is for useless nothingness.

5% is for flooders.

It started out at 100% sharing of information, but certain factors led to that decrease.  Let's see if we can get it to go back up []

~Squeek

Thank you very much indeed for your analysis which I believe is substantially accurate []

I herewith give notice however that myself and the moderators are totally committed to restoring these forums to 100% sharing of information, and high quality discussion. This process is ongoing.

If anyone here has been disturbed by the off-topic and meaningless one liners which have sprung up of late, I apologise. I can also state that this situation will, and no longer is being tolerated.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Mustardseed]

Thanks to all. I guess you are right Adrian , I dont have to come here , in the OBE section nor in the religious forum. That is ofcourse true. My point was more along the line of : is the Astral pulse expanding ? I am really starting to wonder if there is more to it than the avarage poster realise. It seems that we are being bombarded with opinions and research as well as general New Age theories and ideas, put forth maybe to teach and develope minds and beliefsystems.

I know that I do have a tendance toward the negative , I am by nature suspicious and will have my say , you all know me a bit, but I do not think I love conflict for the sake of conflict. As a matter of fact I know I dont. I just need to know things for myself.

You all seem to think that I feel threatened by Beths superiour debating style eloquence and intelligence. I cant change what you think and have no problem with you thinking that. I find her very intelligent but her debating style , imo , is not strikingly superiour. I find her more of a teacher. Most likely she has had a lot of interaction with students, maybe works at a Univercity , I think she could even be a counsellor , but as far as real life I find her quite ....lacking. I have a feeling that most of you are or have been for a very long time , students!. Maybe this is why you all find her so wonderfully eloquent. You are used to being spoken to that way. I am not. I am used to talking to real people about real life. (This is just a theory I am working on I am sure many are all sorts of other things[]).

I also find it disturbing that you all just eat it all up like you do, but not that suprised. Life taught me that people generally are like sheep, they just love to be herded around, given the answers and told what to think. They love to be in with the new teacher and will pretend to understand things they absolutely do not understand, becourse of pier pressure. Remember the Emperors Clothes?.

There are some very dominant and well spoken "sheep herders" on the forum. Very eloquent and powerful people all "speaking basically the same thing", once in a while you see them come to the aid of each other confirm each other and they are always heard and applauded.

My only question and main concern is , if the shepherds keep the shep, who keeps the shepherds?

I realise I will be thought to be negative suspicious and so forth , so be it. One thing I am not is gullable!

Regards Mustardseed

PS Tisha I agree with you, the topics had to be divided and I suggested this way back when I was a 1 star poster. It was very confusing. It has been a good change. I do spent time on the other subjects , maybe slightly less in your backyard [], and enjoy the input, thanks. My nemesis as you so sweetly call her, just stopped by for a couple of posts yesterday, and I can tell you confidantly....that horse may smell but it ain't dead[]. I seem to recall something about what a Nemesis is, but I can asure you its not her. She and you and others might think so, but isn't it funny how though people may think they know you, and what you are all about from some posts. They have no idea really do they. We all have secret "real" lives out there in the real world , or so I assume, in that life I am doing pretty good[].

PPS Oh I forgot, wasn't there someone up there who said some nasty things to me and expect to be tounge lashed. OK here goes

GRRRRRRRRR[]

[Adrian]

Greetings Mustardseed,

I do not intend to dwell on this topic, having already said all I need to say, but I would just like to comment on the underlying theme of your posts.

You are consistently implying that the Astral Pulse is some form of conspiracy, or has some form of alternative agenda, either as a resource, or by individual members, myself and Beth often being singled out by you. This isn't the first time this sort of thing has happened; we were recently accused of overtly supporting ET cults, as I am sure many will remember [] There will always be members who feel very strongly for some subjects, and equally strongly against others. Welcome to the human race! []

I would simply like to make it absolutely clear that the Astral Pulse forums are just that, a forum where people can exchange experiences, information and ideas, by which to learn from each other.

You seem to base your entire position by the discussions within the religious forums, which you read of your own freewill. The religious forums are clearly giving you a problem, not I would suggest due to the people posting there, or the knowledge and ideas shared, but rather because it is seriously questioning your own beliefs.

As with all discussions, you always have the initial choice of reading the posts, and subsequently accepting or rejecting them as you deem appropriate. That is the service a good forum should provide, supported by active, constructive, sensible multi-way discussions. I would like to think that the Astral Pulse has always provided such a service. You seem intent on persecuting yourself by reading the religious forums posts, and then proceeding to publicly blame the Astral Pulse and its members for posting them.

With respect, I think you really need to decide whether the religious forums are for you or not, and proceed accordingly, but without trying to attach blame to the forums, the members or their discussions. In summary, rather than shooting the proverbial messengers in the religious forums, you would ideally beam yourself back in time between 1500 and 2000 years, and blame the perpetrators of the mess directly.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[kakkarot]

quote:You all seem to think that I feel threatened by Beths superiour debating style eloquence and intelligence.

actually i have a little secret to tell: i am somewhat intimidated by beth's (and adrian and robert bruce's) vast knowledge of the historical details of the bible, of christianity and of christianity's roots. i myself know much more than the average person does about christianity, this is not me being arrogant but is a truth, and yet it is obvious from what they post that they have done more research on that topic than i could possibly have done in my lifetime so far.

however, i am not so silly as to take their opinion as truth: i do recognize in their posts when they speak their opinion versus when they speak of historical research and truths. i do not agree with beth's seeming stance that the majority of the bible is metaphorical, for instance, but when she pointed out that her research dates the books of the new testament between 80 and 300 years after christ died i took that possibility into account and am now researching it further.

we do not follow their lead like sheep, but if they do know truths that we as of yet do not should we not then seek to learn those truths (and to learn if they are true)? after all, if you teach a first grader how to add would they be right if they said that you were leading them like sheep? yes. but would they be right if they implied that because you were leading them like sheep that you are lying to them? no. the child may not know what addition is until you teach them, but does that mean that you don't know it until they've learned it? of course not [|)].

of course, you could lie to them but what benefit would that be to you? once they find out that you have lied to them they will never trust you again. there are vast number of places that a person could research things at, if a person is wrong the truth will become apparent in reliable (though possibly extensive) research.

if we tell you something that we have researched and found to be "true", and then we tell you this "truth", we do not neccessarily expect you to take it at face value, but we also do not expect you to argue with us unless you have a good reason as to why you believe us to be wrong. being suspicious is not good enough though; if you really don't trust us that much you can always go out and research it yourself and if you find your research to be in conflict with ours then a real debate can take place.

after all, if neither side had some sort of verification to back them up then the "debate" is nothing more than a useless argument, with one person saying "You're wrong!" and the other saying "Nuh-uh. You're wrong!" like little children. and if only one side had verification to back them then the other side would still be like a child, merely disagreeing because they don't want to believe it.

is this beginning to make more sense? you do seem to be acting like a child at times, arguing just because you don't want to believe it. you are always free to not believe it, but what's the point of arguing unless you have proof to back you up? [|)]

as well, as adrian (and tisha?) pointed out the religious forums are a place for people to debate religion and for people who wish to learn more to ask questions.

sadly though, there is a difference between a debate and an argument that many ... "passionate" religious followers do not seem to understand. i have seen far too many religious people IRL give completely stupid reasons for why they believe or disbelieve something, but when i tried to get them to understand their faulty logic or complete untruth, they merely wave it off and still choose to believe what they've already decided to believe. so i've stopped arguing religion with those kinds of people because they already think they know the truth and are merely trying to convert others to believe the same things they do.

notice that this is NOT what beth and adrian do. beth and adrian post their opinions (though they don't always label them clearly []) as well as information that they've discovered through research. when disputed they do not merely say "No, you're wrong and I'm right", they further the debate by providing reasons and examples and facts to support what they've said and to show the other side where it's own logic and reasoning is unsound or failing (which are proper things to do in any proper debate).

well, i guess i've talked long enough. i've forgotten where i was going with most of that so please forgive me for rambling [|)].

~kakkarot

[Tenacious]

What is the Astral Pulse?  It's a newspaper coming to your town very soon.  Inside, you will find all sorts of information and useless debates about topics that make sense only to 25% of the world.  Also, look in the "coupons" area for all sorts of discounts on Maxi-pads, detergent, and soda!  


[]

But really, this is a place where the people who want to learn and talk about topics that only make sense to a numbered amount of people can talk.  This is our home!

[Gandalf]

I sometimes wonder if it was a mistake creating the religion forums although they were needed at the time as the forums were under attack by Christian 'missionaries' like Allannon and others.

I suppose they fulfil their function as they keep religious debate/rage confined to one section, stopping it spilling over. Everyone else can safely ignore it and carry on.

However, this has not happened in my case as I have been drawn into arguments/debates there on a constant basis... Probably there is a part of me which enjoys crossing swords with fundamentalists!

My contribution to other areas of the AP has dropped to almost nil in comparison. I really must drag myself away from the religious forums!

Btw I have noticed a significant drop in my APs over the past couple of months, I believe this is a direct result of me concentrating on debates in the religious forums, rather than discussing with others about their last APs.
It is due to the stimulation provided by discussing projections and related areas with others that keeps me on my 'astral toes' as it were and my actual projections increase as a result.
If I spend a long period of time focused on other things, they decrease.
Now, seeing how this forum is my only real way of discussing the astral with other likeminded humans, it is not too hard to imagine the effect that NOT doing so has on my projection development!

Mind you, allanon would be pleased as he saw all projections as 'deceptions of Satan'.

For myself and many others, this forum is one of the only areas that serve to keep me focused on the astral in a material world and it is easy to forget what you have learned if you let the material envelop you again like a warm blanket.

I've lost my astral focus recently; as one poster aptly put, 'I've slid back into mediocrity'...

Douglas

[Gandalf]

HAHA, after writing all that, I then went and had a succesful AP last night!

Douglas

[WalkerInTheWoods]

If you cannot agree with someone, it is better to just agree to disagree than to continuously agruing in circles.

[Mustardseed]

I compleately agree with you. I find it very difficult to do this with Beth as I feel she continues to attack me on the basis of my belief saying my belief is unjustifiable. It seems that Beth and Myself is either wrong or right. We cannot both be right, but maybe we could both be wrong. Ha Maybe there is much much more to it that this. I suspect there is. We are only human.

Regards MS

[Mustardseed]

Recently I have had a very intense exchange of opinions with Beth and Adrian. I am starting to wonder what the reason for the AP really is. Is this a debate forum or is this a class taught by the ones assumed to have superiour intellect and education

(Beth said

We have tip-toed around you guys for too long.

Good people have spent many hours on this board offering you and Mustardseed (and whoever else) a great deal of very important information -- FREE OF CHARGE. We are the ones who have invested the time, the effort, and the expense to educate ourselves. We bought the books, took the classes, and studied the languages--for you. We decided to share all that we have learned with you, because we know how very hard it is to get the education that we have. We also know that it is not feasible for everyone to do.

But what do you do instead of be grateful for the free education that you are receiving? You insult and criticize instead of learn of things you do not know. Instead of filling these pages full of empty and petty criticism, you should be taking advantage of what is offered to you here. You should be asking more questions of us instead of bringing the valid questions of others to a screeching halt with your circular arguments and marytr complexes