Sudden 'jump'

[ange.connell]

This may have already been asked and answered so if it has - sorry!

But you know when you are just about to fall to sleep and your body suddenly 'jumps', what is that? What's happening? I've wondered for years.

Thanks x

[Xanth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk

[blis]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk

Their mention of it often being accompanied by a falling sensation sounds like when I used to start falling into SP-like trances before I knew about projecting. I'd jerk up in fear to stop it happening again.

I occasionally get something nowadays though that feels different somehow. I'll be in a good trance state and suddenly my leg will jump up and ruin it. Or my hand will suddenly lift up and land on my body.

It's funny how we'll just accept unexplained things as long as they've got a name.

"What the hell was that!"
"It was just a hypnic jerk."
"Ah thats ok then."

Still doesnt explain why your body suddenly jumps all by itself though.

[Xanth]

You're such a hypnic jerk! 

In all seriousness, we'll probably "never" know why it happens.
I experience it quite often, and I can tell you that, in me, it's initiated by a sudden sensation of falling.

[Volgerle]

from a classic on AP:

http://books.google.de/books?id=PmmmhS-pT38C&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=%22Repercussion+of+the+Astral+Body%22&source=bl&ots=yUorWQ6Bld&sig=ZZ5ymwXNvmBj49w98q2zZlUFQTo&hl=de&ei=cWzJTayGGY7JswbdhpmXAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22Repercussion%20of%20the%20Astral%20Body%22&f=false

[Xanth]

Well, honestly... that's all nothing but conjecture really.  The author is making massive leaps in assumption. 

[Pauli2]

It's a so called body-jolt, where the astral body returns & re-enters the physical/etheric body from a mind-split.

[Volgerle]

Well, honestly... that's all nothing but conjecture really.  The author is making massive leaps in assumption. 

But he's also reporting from his experiences.

[Pauli2]

But he's also reporting from his experiences.

Exactly.

[Xanth]

But he's also reporting from his experiences.

And my experiences completely contradict his. 

To another individual, my experiences are nothing more than conjecture as well.  I recognize and fully accept this.
I'm also not necessarily saying that's a bad thing.  As usual, I'm saying that personal experience is only good for the individual who had the initial experience.

But in the end, I'm fine with that.  Cause he has his experiences and I have mine.
It's also why everyone needs to have their own experiences.

[CFTraveler]

IIRC I learned (somewhere, I recall it being a lecture for some reason) the guy who gave the lecture said that the 'myoclonic jerk' (aka hypnic jerk) has to do with the fact that babies are floating in the womb and when they're born all of a sudden there's gravity which creates a response to the feeling of falling, and that it never goes away, ....or something like that.
That would be the physical explanation vs. the metaphysical explanation.  Frankly, the idea that it's the energy body suddenly relocating makes more sense to me than the other one.

[Xanth]

Since we're "tossing explanations out there randomly"...

What makes sense to me is that while falling asleep our awareness can be in a multitude of "places" at the same time.
With that said, and still having a direct connection to our physical body... the jerk is triggered by the physical body reacting to some stimulus from one of those "other" places that our awareness also is.

[Volgerle]

...still having a direct connection to our physical body... the jerk is triggered by the physical body reacting to some stimulus from one of those "other" places that our awareness also is.

There is not so much difference for me to what is called 'repercussion' by Muldoon. To me it does not matter if we take an "old-fashioned" bodies/planes view (which Campbell would label with the generic (but to me inapt) term 'metaphor') or a phasing by focus level stance. It still remains the same: a repercussive effect (maybe of the body/energy aspect or "anywhere" in-between) caused by a sudden/quick 'return' of consciousness focus to the physical (body).
To me the feeling is like sth that locks in place, 'snaps in' in a latch or so. That also fits the repercussion concept. So, to sum up, calling it 'repercussion' is not wrong, regardless of any theoratical metaphysical view you prefer.

IIRC I learned (somewhere, I recall it being a lecture for some reason) the guy who gave the lecture said that the 'myoclonic jerk' (aka hypnic jerk) has to do with the fact that babies are floating in the womb and when they're born all of a sudden there's gravity which creates a response to the feeling of falling, and that it never goes away, ....or something like that.
That would be the physical explanation vs. the metaphysical explanation.  Frankly, the idea that it's the energy body suddenly relocating makes more sense to me than the other one.

Yeah, seems like a typical materialist 'explain-away-strategy' of scientism adherents. Let's make sth up, accept anything that at least sounds a bit logic or scientific - at least in the first place, in order to avoid metaphysics. Sad.