The Adept's Secret Technique

[Steel Hawk]

Namaste,

I only ask that you read this with an open-mind, that same state of being that lead you to this forum. My only goal here is to help you evolve further and faster. I ask that you read this without skipping ahead.

This technique will be very controversial and possibly dangerous. One year ago I would have never considered this and at the same time believed I was at a plateau in my evolution. I didn't realize that this cessation was due to my own prejudices.

I'm thirty years old now and started researching OBEs around the age of 11-13 years old. I've read just about every book on the subject and trolled these forums since 2004. I'm an initiate of several esoteric organizations including: the Ancient and Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, the Confraternity of the Rose Cross, the Fraternity of the Hidden Light, and the Servants Of the Light School of Occult Science. At my current level I believe most would consider me an Adeptus Minor in the sacred art.

I only tell you this so that you won't take my words lightly and discount this information. I am not a random teenager who took up witchcraft as a summer hobby. I've dedicated a good portion of my life to this pursuit.

Part 1 - Theory
It's known to most of us here as a fact that Out-of-Body-Experiences, Astral Travel, Phasing, etc, are memorable experiences that happen to a small portion of the population. For most it's a one time event if it happens at all, still a few brave souls seek this experience out and through will and practice achieve extraordinary results.

We know there's some link between Dreaming, Lucid Dreams, Astral Travel, and OBEs. People have said that every night we leave our body when dreaming but don't realize it. There's even techniques and research that points to people using Lucid Dreaming as a gateway to Astral Projection. A few even realize that Imagination is also one of the components intertwined into Dreaming, Lucid Dreams, Astral Travel, and OBEs. Imagination even plays a very significant part in general magick and sorcery.

Some say it's all in your head, that you never leave your body but explore your inner mind. Others say it feels to real and that it must be something that is really happening. Those that have gone further say that it's just a matter of changing your focus -- really you're everywhere and nowhere.

All I do know is that there is a link, or a common factor between these different states.

Part 2 - The Method of Science, the Aim of Religion
This was plastered on the front of Aleister Crowley's quarter Equinox magazine, required reading for all A.A. Students. By this he meant that religious experiences should not be taken at face value, but critiqued and experimented with in order to arrive at their underlying mystical or neurological meaning.

In this connection there was also the point that I was anxious to prove that spiritual progress did not depend on religious or moral codes, but was like any other science. Magick would yield its secrets to the infidel and the libertine, just as one does not have to be a churchwarden in order to discover a new kind of orchid. There are, of course, certain virtues necessary to the Magician; but they are of the same order as those which make a successful chemist.

As much as I sometimes despise Crowley, in the end it seems he is a man after my own heart. Of course this is a man born some 137 years ago. A lot has changed since his time, and yet his books still remain as a testament to his insight and genius. But I believe Crowley would be very depressed to think that since him there has been no other like him to push the boundaries of occult science quite like he did.

Crowley took risks, he wasn't afraid to plunge his soul into infinite darkness if it meant he could push his evolution further. And with that I dedicate this technique in memory of Aleister Crowley, Chief Adept of Will. And I truly hope he would have approved, were he still alive.

Part 3 - Why do we OBE?
The pineal gland is often thought to be the third eye, though little is known about it scientifically other than it produces the serotonin derivative melatonin, a hormone that affects the modulation of wake/sleep patterns. Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting research on the psychedelic dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the controversial hypothesis that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon.

If proved to be true this could turn out to be the link between all manner of esoteric experiences. If the Pineal gland releases sleepy chemicals to make us sleep, it would make sense that it's also involved in dreaming.

If dimethyltryptamine (DMT) in small micro amounts make us experience the world of dreams, then might someone through meditation increase the amount released or perhaps even have some amount of control as to when it is released?

Part 4 - Vibratory Waves
A precursor hallmark of having an OBE or Astral Projection has always been the vibrations. At least for me. An experienced projector often notices that over the years these vibration waves get less and less intense.

After years of projecting I noticed something else, what I called Monroe's signal:
"It started about 5 months ago, everytime I'm about to project I "hear" this strange signal. I can't really describe it accurately but it "sounds" like this: RA-wa-Ra-wa RA-wa-Ra-wa RA-wa-Ra-wa It's not really a sound but it is, I don't know how else to describe it. It's a sound as much as the vibes are a sound... I'm wondering if it's some type of homing signal (like Monroe talked about)? I suppose I could just follow it but I haven't worked up the ... gusto yet."

As the days go by I'm noticing this "signal" more and more. Also I no longer get the standard vibrations that everyone reports, just this signal. I don't know why this is, but I'm sure it's important for long term research in this area. While most of you project into vibrations (as I did for many years), I'm projecting into some type of carrier wave. Almost like the old dial up modem days. If I fail to project into this wave I enter the Real Time Zone / Etheric Plane / The over lap ghost world of Physical Reality / The most dense of all planes with the exception to the physical. If I do "catch the wave" I enter something akin to the Astral Plane, perhaps even the Mental Plane. I'm not sure. But wherever I go is mostly symbolic and geometrical in nature -- which leads me to think it that it could be Mental Plane or some other locale in the Astral.

Part 5 - How I discovered the technique
I want to ask you something, does this sound like something you might read on this forum?
"And then their would be a hum. And the hum would get louder, and louder, and to the point where it broke apart everything I was or knew. It was just this WRAAAAAAAAAU and it just got louder and louder until you just had to surrender to the sound. And then you were there."

Yes or No? If you answered yes then you owe it to yourself to not stop reading until the end of this post. Agree to this now!!!

The alternative is to be in IGNORANCE LIKE THOSE WHO TELL YOU IT WAS JUST A DREAM AND OBES DO NOT EXIST! So I ask you, what do you choose? Life or Death?

It came about in a very strange way. I had never given much thought to psychoactives to achieve spiritual states. To use any hallucinatory substance for spiritual evolution seems fake. Such are shortcuts, and are dangerous. And really, I didn't want to end up spending hours in some drug induced state. I'm not a teenager and I'm beyond my experimentation days.

As I did more research I learned that when smoked DMT (extracted from plants and turned into DMT freebase) only lasted for about 10 minutes. And that there were no side effects or dangers in regards to physical health (with the exception of being on a MAOI inhibitor which I believe may be extremely ill advised when consuming extracted DMT). I thought that it might be interesting to try but as far as spiritual it obviously wasn't.

But what if DMT is what actually causes dreams and OBEs to occur? What if the various adepts of this forum are really attempting to influence the release of DMT via the pineal gland? If one increased the DMT released into his or her body by other means would it not have the same effect? Of course I don't believe that's the case, at least I didn't last week.

Then yesterday I was watching the "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" documentary on Neflix (at 00:34:34), one of the DMT volunteers said something that made me rethink my stance against psychoactives for spiritual pursuits.

"And then their would be a hum. And the hum would get louder, and louder, and to the point where it broke apart everything I was or knew. It was just this WRAAAAAAAAAU and it just got louder and louder until you just had to surrender to the sound. And then you were there."

These simple words profoundly changed everything for me.

It reminded me of a post I made to the Astral Pulse forums years ago (above):
"It started about 5 months ago, everytime I'm about to project I "hear" this strange signal. I can't really describe it accurately but it "sounds" like this: RA-wa-Ra-wa RA-wa-Ra-wa RA-wa-Ra-wa It's not really a sound but it is, I don't know how else to describe it. It's a sound as much as the vibes are a sound... I'm wondering if it's some type of homing signal (like Monroe talked about)? I suppose I could just follow it but I haven't worked up the ... gusto yet."

Later that day I came across a DMT focused website, in their wiki there is entry:
"Carrier Wave: Just after a launch, travelers often hear a ringing tone or vibration somewhat resembling a carrier wave. As the ringing sensation continues one can even feel that this vibration is 'resonating in every cell of the body'. The frequency of the tone often seems to cause (or be caused by) the dissolution of the current environment, and may be a perceptual artifact of the actual raising of one's vibratory rate to levels where access to Hyperspace is possible. Sounds like a high pitched tinntinitis tone right out of the range of consensual reality hearing (maybe what a dog hears with a dog whistle) - sometimes steady state, sometimes warbling up and down, like a siren."

Such a simple comment that changed everything for me. This is really a eureka moment for me in connecting that DMT experiences appear to be just as spiritual as what I trained to develop for years.

Ask yourself this: If having an OBE is the result of the pineal gland's secretion of DMT into the body, then if DMT is introduced voluntarily to the body and an OBE occurs is this any less valid?

Not only that but every DMT experience I've read seems to be more vivid and powerful than any OBE or Astral Projection experience I've personally had or have read about. For me this is the technique that I plan to use to further push my soul and experiences. I feel like a fool for not making this connection sooner and being blinded by my prejudices towards this.

I've always thought the lines between science and mysticism would slowly be blurred and merged. I just didn't realize that such an quantum leap had happened. So I'm hoping my words may let the blind see, as I once was blind. This is the true secret technique of the Adept.

This is the next stage in my evolution, the leaving of my current plateau for the next one. I'm hoping some of you might join me, for it has been a long time since I learned something as life changing as OBEs were for me. I believe my new future home will be on the forums of dmt-nexus.me, check it out if you want.

In light and love,
Steel Hawk
The Insane Philosopher of the Astral Pulse 2004 - 2012

P.S. If you have Netflix watch the movie "Enter the Void" online. When I knew nothing about DMT I believed it to be a movie that did a spin off on OBEs using what I thought was a non-existent drug (at the time) to display reincarnation amongst other things. If you're a projector you'll probably like the movie regardless of your opinion of what I've previously said.

[Darklon]

Me likey. 

[Beero]

Hi do you smoke DMT to get these experiences or is it through meditation?
Your post reminded me of this product by higher balance institute I got emailed about but decided against buying - http://lp.higherbalance.com/in-between-audio-2
But I just googled this product on a dmt forum and they didn't seem convinced by it, I don't think they had tried it though

[Stookie_]

So what I get is that you're not happy with current level and have plateaued, and you think DMT is the next evolutionary step. What if it wasn't an option, like for the majority of spiritual teachers throughout history? They didn't give up, they looked inward.

[Xanth]

I'm with Stookie on this.

If you can't do this under your own power, keep plugging away at it until you do.
The importance here, at least in my opinion, is figuring out how to do all this.  If you're given these experiences on the silver platter of chemicals, you're really not helping yourself learn at all.

Using chemicals is a big step BACKWARDS.

[Darklon]

I have quit from all drugs myself to help develop myself more spiritually, plus I'm no where near as lazy as I used to be

I have lucid dreamed a couple times and that alone is worth giving up on external substances altogether.

[psychedelia]

check out terence mckenna and well every aspect of him from his theory of homo erectus and homo neanderthalinsis using ancient psilocybe cubensis to evolve into homo sapien(rem keep an open mind even on evolution) and my favorite time wave zero and novelty theory......in general interesting things especially if your interested in DMT(since psilocybin in a derivative of dmt i believe 4-ho-dmt?? i might be wrong and since some people believe the novelty time that is coming with 13.0.0.0.0 aka the winter solstice of 2012 is actually due to an increase in the amount of Dmt being released in the brain(anywhere from geo magnetic pole shifts which has happened before we have geological evidence its happened and all the way to entering into a region in our galaxy of high interstellar plasma energy)     

i would like to add tho um DMT can harm like everything else the smoke is rather harsh and i easily see it damaging you be it little or alot damage is damage but bodily damage is also a daily accurance and we only live once so weigh your benefits.    plus from my own Dmt research id prefer 5-meo-dmt (even tho i havent tried either but from reading id try that first) instead of freebased DMT and if i did try DMT id go with ayahuasca

now to xanth why is it a step backwards?

[Darklon]

I have done 4-aco-dmt, I am the psychedelic king, but if the king can quit so can you LOL. I'll stop pushing it.

[psychedelia]

im interested in trying psychedelics but im more of cannabis king:) atleast at my age lol

[Stookie_]

now to xanth why is it a step backwards?

I'm not speaking for Xanth, but I say it's because you're not actively learning anything and you're not using your will or intent. You're just going for a quick, uncontrolled, intense ride that doesn't lead to any answers, just more questions.

Ram Dass mentioned that when he went to India in the 60's to be with a guru, he had brought an entire bottle of LSD tabs. He said the guru asked if he could take some and downed the whole lot of them, and it didn't have any effect on him. Ram Dass thought he should be insane and when he asked him why he wasn't, the guru told him that LSD could never open up his perception to anything he doesn't already have access to. The difference is that non-physical perception became a part of his being. Drug experiences don't seem to do this. As insightful as a trip might be, you'll need more to do it again.

So again, they aren't the same thing. One is like riding a roller coaster, the other is a permanent lifestyle.

[Xanth]

I'm not speaking for Xanth, but I say it's because you're not actively learning anything and you're not using your will or intent. You're just going for a quick, uncontrolled, intense ride that doesn't lead to any answers, just more questions.

Ram Dass mentioned that when he went to India in the 60's to be with a guru, he had brought an entire bottle of LSD tabs. He said the guru asked if he could take some and downed the whole lot of them, and it didn't have any effect on him. Ram Dass thought he should be insane and when he asked him why he wasn't, the guru told him that LSD could never open up his perception to anything he doesn't already have access to. The difference is that non-physical perception became a part of his being. Drug experiences don't seem to do this. As insightful as a trip might be, you'll need more to do it again.

So again, they aren't the same thing. One is like riding a roller coaster, the other is a permanent lifestyle.

^ That's why. 

[Sapient]

I thought it was important to comment on some of the replies made.

Have any of you heard of Ayahuasca?
It's used as a religious sacrament by the people living in the Amazon since prerecorded history, perhaps for thousands of years. In the 16th century, Christian missionaries from Spain and Portugal first encountered indigenous peoples using ayahuasca in South America; their earliest reports described it as the work of the devil. Essentially the view of others in this forum, that using a chemical that is already produced naturally in the body is some how the dark side of the force.

And what is the main active ingredient in Ayahuasca?
Dimethyltryptamine (DMT)

So what I get is that you're not happy with current level and have plateaued, and you think DMT is the next evolutionary step. What if it wasn't an option, like for the majority of spiritual teachers throughout history? They didn't give up, they looked inward.

DMT is what spiritual teachers throughout history used to evolve their spiritual understanding. If you do your research you'll find that Dimethyltryptamine (DMT) is a naturally occurring psychedelic compound that is ubiquitously found in plants, mammals, including humans. While they didn't take purposefully ingest DMT, they instead modified their bodies biological processes so that more DMT was naturally produced to achieve certain states of consciousness.

I'm with Stookie on this.

If you can't do this under your own power, keep plugging away at it until you do.
The importance here, at least in my opinion, is figuring out how to do all this.  If you're given these experiences on the silver platter of chemicals, you're really not helping yourself learn at all.

Using chemicals is a big step BACKWARDS.

That reminds me of what my parents used to say about getting medical care. You see I was raised in a faith based Christian church that thought it was a sin not to believe that God would heal you if you were ill. That if you truly believe in God and had faith in Jesus you should put your faith in them.

When I was 15 one of my best friends died when modern medicine would have easily saved him. But because his parents were in the same church as mine they believed God would save him. Chemicals are a big step BACKWARDS?

Do you realize that in the 1800s most children didn't make it past the age of five? And that the only reason our population is what is it is because of advances in science? I understand you weren't referring to that, but it falls in the same faith based thinking I grew up with.

Let's say that out of a million people one of those has a spiritual experience that changes them for the rest of their life. And this is how it's always been. But what if with modern science we could give that to a thousand in a million?

While it would be ideal for me to quit my job and live in a cave for the next year, talking alms of food when I could that's not very realistic. Sure I might be able to raise the levels of DMT in my brain to a degree that I could have a mystical experience akin to a spiritual teacher of the past. But why would I want to do that when I CAN GO BEYOND ANY SPIRITUAL TEACHER IN THE PAST.

THE METHOD OF SCIENCE, THE AIM OF RELIGION.

I'm not speaking for Xanth, but I say it's because you're not actively learning anything and you're not using your will or intent. You're just going for a quick, uncontrolled, intense ride that doesn't lead to any answers, just more questions.

I do think standard spiritual practices have their use in building a base. I think I've built that base and this is the next step for me.

When my mother was trying to teach me to ride a bicycle without training wheels she decided to take me up a very large and steep grassy hill and push me down. After a few seconds I fell off the bicycle and scrapped my knees, cried, and never wanted to ride a bicycle again.

Had she of waited until I could have rode a bicycle at a slow speed then the above experience might have been controllable and enjoyable.

In short duke, I'm saying we should built up to that point. The next stage in magick I believe is here. I'd like to merge the knowledge of what I've gained via normal and natural OBEs with that of DMT's Hyperspace. Let's move on to a new frontier, or at least try. I'm scared out of my mind to even try DMT, but I've decided to do so in the next 2 weeks. There's no more room for fear.

Ram Dass mentioned that when he went to India in the 60's to be with a guru, he had brought an entire bottle of LSD tabs. He said the guru asked if he could take some and downed the whole lot of them, and it didn't have any effect on him. Ram Dass thought he should be insane and when he asked him why he wasn't, the guru told him that LSD could never open up his perception to anything he doesn't already have access to. The difference is that non-physical perception became a part of his being. Drug experiences don't seem to do this. As insightful as a trip might be, you'll need more to do it again.

So again, they aren't the same thing. One is like riding a roller coaster, the other is a permanent lifestyle.

I think you're grouping LSD with DMT, the two aren't comparable. If Ram Dass freebased 50mg of DMT he would be off his rocker, as is the same compound that causes him to have mystical experiences to begin with.

And I believe when I have OBEs they are like a freaking roller coaster. Wouldn't you agree? 

Come on guys. Seriously consider what I'm saying...

[Sapient]

Or don't. Waste your time like I did for so long. I really don't care.

[psychedelia]

I'm sensing tension here but I agree both ways....the guru hmmm scientifically makes no sense unless the tabs were no good such as iso LSD or he got scammed.    Spiritually it makes sense.     It's human nature to be curious.    I've.been doing a lot of thinking and I see no problem with a beginner using psychedelics and such.  I've read and done a lot of cannabis meditation and it's opened my eyes like a closed door to a lot don't ever rule something out if it works for one person it could work for another and think so many ppl used entheogens like ayahuasca for religion there has to be a reason why so many did and do be it just prep for the true journey or what there is a reason

[Chris J.]

I'm sorry, but I completely fail to see how life-saving medical treatment and using psychoactive drugs for the purpose of hallucinating/having a "spiritual" experience are even remotely related.

[Darklon]

I'm sorry, but I completely fail to see how life-saving medical treatment and using psychoactive drugs for the purpose of hallucinating/having a "spiritual" experience are even remotely related.

Agreed.

[Sapient]

What I'm trying to say is this:
IF astral projection is caused by the release of a chemical in the brain then... astral projection could be legitimately caused by consuming said chemical. This would make both no less valid, one would be no more of a hallucination or 'real' spiritual experience than the other. This could revolutionize mysticism and spirituality -- not to mention reality.

Everyone has their opinion, morals or ethics and I get that. Do what thou wilt.

I'm sorry, but I completely fail to see how life-saving medical treatment and using psychoactive drugs for the purpose of hallucinating/having a "spiritual" experience are even remotely related.

It was a parable. And actually some psychoactive drugs do save lives, look up Ibogaine. I wasn't refering to psychoactive drugs I was referring to one very specific psychoactive drug that occurs naturally in the brain. Further more this could be even MORE vital than any life-saving medical treatment. Physical life is very short and temporary. Perhaps the only way to live past this death is to obtain the necessarily spiritual evolution to hold an infinitely long OBE, I can do about 20 minutes how about you?

Hurray for my 20 minute afterlife. That and beyond that is faith, which I've never been satisfied with. Sue me.

[Lionheart]

 What everyone is trying nicely to say to you is that here on this site we don't condone the use of drugs to go to the Astral and don't like to glamorize the idea as well. Everyone has the ability already, the use of drugs is just a waste and also proven almost impossible to control the experience. If you wish to get high and Astral travel, be my guest. But on this site we prefer to learn from each other and try to hit this subject seriously.
Good Luck

[dotster]

What if it wasn't an option, like for the majority of spiritual teachers throughout history?

Now I would have to disagree with this. Maybe the majority of eastern spiritual teachers but what about the rest of the world? What about the indigenous peoples of North, Central and South America? What about the indigenous Pacific Islanders? The Australian Aborigines? I could start naming different cultures on different continents but I would be typing all night. Whether we accept it or not, hallucinogens/drugs have been used for centuries by the people and spiritual leaders of hundreds of different cultures around the world, and are still used to this day. Marijuana, peyote, DMT (aya), mushrooms, they all have a very long and rich history here on Earth. There is so much close-mindedness concerning hallucinogens these days in Europe and the U.S. and lack of understanding which has led to misuse and therefor leads to more prejudice and close-mindedness. It's really quite a shame.

I remember when I was little my dad taught me how to tie my shoes. He SHOWED me how, and instructed me verbally (loop swoop and pull). I struggled with it for a while but I eventually got the hang of it. Had he (or anyone) not been there to show me it would have taken a lot longer for me to figure it out, if I even came to the realization that my shoe strings should be tied in the first place. For me personally, hallucinogens can play the same father like role to humanity if used properly, in fact they have been used as such for hundreds of years as I mentioned above. I'm not saying they are necessary by any means, but I don't consider it to be cheating and I don't consider ANY experience (especially one so profound) to be unimportant or unworthy of my contemplation. You can learn from ANY experience, you just have to be willing to do so. However just as my dad only had to show me a few times how to tie my shoes, hallucinogens are to me the same. I have moved on from them, not because I think there is something wrong with them, but because I no longer need their help. So to most of you they might seem like a waste, but to me they have been life changing. Does that make me any less of a spiritual person than you? Better yet does that make me any less of a person? Do my past experiences with hallucinogens amount to nothing because they weren't "real", and what is real anyways? They got me here, on the path to self-discovery and for that I am thankful. So let that ego keep judging if you will, let that ego keep telling you that there are "right" ways and "wrong" ways, but when the ego is silenced your true self will know that there are no right and wrong ways, just different ways.

I understand this will leave the majority of you largely unaffected in opinion, but I read this post and I couldn't overcome the need to reply. I have a hard time telling myself no sometimes  I hope it helps the few with the eyes to read it.

All the best,
dotster

[Darklon]

go to www.hipforums.com you hippies

[Chris J.]

Nicely put, Lionheart.

It was a parable. And actually some psychoactive drugs do save lives, look up Ibogaine.

I didn't say that psychoactive drugs don't have valuable applications. I said that I didn't understand how you were relating medical treatment with using drugs for the purpose of having a hallucination/spiritual experience.

I wasn't refering to psychoactive drugs I was referring to one very specific psychoactive drug that occurs naturally in the brain.

This is really nothing more than semantics.

Perhaps the only way to live past this death is to obtain the necessarily spiritual evolution to hold an infinitely long OBE, I can do about 20 minutes how about you?

If my death means that I might simply cease to exist, then I am fine with that. I see no reason for myself to actively fight that possibility. However,

Everyone has their opinion, morals or ethics and I get that. Do what thou wilt.

[Lionheart]

 It's not whether it is right or wrong. It is the fact that it is not needed. You have the ability to travel without it, so why use it? Does it deepen the experience, does it help you remember afterwords, what is the advantage? If there was a positive or something that it did that you can't do yourself, than I could understand the use. It has nothing to do with ego.

[dotster]

It's not whether it is right or wrong. It is the fact that it is not needed. You have the ability to travel without it, so why use it? Does it deepen the experience, does it help you remember afterwords, what is the advantage? If there was a positive or something that it did that you can't do yourself, than I could understand the use. It has nothing to do with ego.

It introduces you to the experience, that was the whole point behind my extremely (sorry   ) long winded post. YOU know that we all have this ability, but how do you expect others to believe this if they haven't experienced it themselves? On faith? Not everyone experiences (and remembers) lucid dreams, and not everyone has spontaneous out of body experiences. Entheogens have safely provided this step when needed for millennia. When you get thrown into such a profound state of consciousness it tends to have an effect on how you view life, and it's not something you easily forget. Once you have that sense of self that you are something greater than just your body and that there is more to reality than what we perceive around us with our physical senses it is easier to move forward confidently. Call it a nudge towards the path to self, or call it a dad teaching his kid to tie his shoe. You can call me crazy but to me they seem like one in the same. Who knows, maybe I'm just trippin'  

[Stookie_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2n40JYQusg

I'm not saying this happens all the time, but it's still hilarious.

[psychedelia]

to lionheart:    sorry to disagree but i get what your saying yet still, man has legs to travel why use a car....a train....a horse....plane...ect     because thats the way man kind is (work smarter not harder,my dad use to always say)