The astral Pulse as a beliefsystem

[Spirit_k9]

I don't think Robert is offering up the Astral Pulse as a container for a belief system, or a belief system in itself. Astral projection is an experience, a tool, a goal, but not a belief system.

You can insert the experience into whatever context you like into an existing belief system, or even invent a new one if you want to...it's your perogative. The only proselytizing I've seen here is by xtain fundies. It's up to you to decide your path and I don't believe Robert nor the moderators wish to force any belief system on you.

If you see ties between what the fundies have been preaching and what Robert Bruce wrote or feel threatened when you tie it all together into one big picture, I'd suggest you've already decided on a belief system and perhaps it needs more discovery on your part. So go for it!

Just don't expect everyone else to fall in line with something -YOU- have decided to believe []

....free will rulez

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I really do not see any belief systems promoted here by those that run the place. I know that there are ideas that get more attention and seem to be more accepted, but that does not mean you have to agree with them. I do not agree with everything here. In these cases I either bring up questions to explore ideas futher or ignore the posts on these ideas. I am not sure what was said in the thread you mentioned as I have not read any of it, so I cannot comment on it. I do know that there some very experienced projecters around here, Robert Bruce being one of them, so when these people speak it holds more weight than someone who has little to no experience. They have gone "out" and explored things for themself. Does that mean that they have seen it all and know the whole truth, probably not, but it does give us an idea of the realms beyond.

The problem with belief systems is that they are not based on your own experience but just what you believe to be true. This is dangerous when exploring the astral because as people have experienced it can tell you it can be thought and emotion responsive. So if you hold tight to any certain belief, be it that there is a demon war or that Sponge Bob is the supreme being, then you can experience this by your own power and not by truth. On the other hand if you hold to such a system but are rational and object yet do not see what you want in the astral, then what? Are you willing to change your belief system?

Do not be offended if others do not agree with you. Do not feel that others have to agree with you. Everyone has their own path to follow. Follow yours and see where it takes you.

[Narrow Path]

Spiritualism

Spiritualism or spiritism is the belief that the human personality survives death and can communicate with the living through a sensitive medium. The spiritualist movement began in 1848 in upstate New York with the Fox sisters who claimed that spirits communicated with them by rapping on tables. (The "raps" were actually made by cracking their toe joints.) By the time the sisters admitted their fraud some thirty years later, there were tens of thousands of mediums holding séances where spirits entertained with numerous magical tricks such as making sounds, materializing objects, making lights glow, levitating tables and moving objects across the room. The mediums demonstrated every variety of psychic power from clairvoyance and clairaudience to telekinesis and telepathy. Repeated charges of fraud did little to stop the spiritualist movement until the 1920's when magicians such as Houdini exposed the techniques and methods of deceit used by mediums to fool even the wisest and holiest of men and women.

The Hollywood version of séances is fairly accurate: people sitting around a table, holding hands in a darkened room, a faked trance by the medium who passes on to the group any information given by the spirit, often accompanied by tricks such as the levitating table, mysterious sounds, materializing objects, etc. For many, spiritualism was "scientific proof" of life after death, which didn't involve any of the superstitious non-sense of religion.

[Anonymous]

I guess it's all what you make of it.

[beavis]

Astral projection is only a belief system until you have done it. Then it becomes a knowledge system because faith is not used.

[Mustardseed]

You misunderstand me Beavis I do it and have done it a lot. But what do we do where are we doing it and why
Regards Mustardseed

[Mustardseed]

I had a hard time figuring out where to put this post but chose this forum as It is very general, if you wanna put it anywhere else its fine with me. I have a question. Is it plausable to assume that if one has OBE experiences after having posted regularily on the forum,  these experiences will align themselves with what one is being taught.? It seems obvious to me that Astral Pulse is a whole "system package" , and from my discussions on the thread "Warning ....satan decieves you" , I am seeing that it seem to be all linked together. There are clear indications of beginning stages of censorship. Moderators are chosen without being suggested , posts are made sticky and generally we are moving in a direction. Besides the fact the site is owned and administrated by 1 man. Are you asked to accept one tenant and then another and then another till you no longer are taught about OBEs but are adhering to a "belief system" the beliefsystem appears to be a mix of psychology part gnostisism new age and so on. A free for all where anything and any faith, maybe with exception of a couple' are included. The main beliefs is in the immortality of man, reincarnation, karma etc. Beliefs that used to be oriental but are now "westernised". Is it a possibility that there is another way to understand OBEs? woulkd it be possible to assume that having them is a latent gift available to all, but that what one does with such a gift, has a bearing. RB states that in his view there is no such "police", and since his opinion has a lot of weight here most do not question the info he gives though he states that it is his opinion. He argues well for the case too. I got to thinking that when I go for a stroll at least in my country I rarely see police. I never meet government folks if I do not seek them out and never go to warzones . All in all If I did not know better I would think that what I saw was the whole world. Shopping malls fishing trips walks amusement parks schools etc Could there be a war in the Spirit so to speak between good Spirits Angels and bad ones Demons etc that we just dont come into proximity with. After all the astral is like the physical in some respect. Does the Astral (pulse) have room for this type of belief, could it be true or does the entire beliefsystem reject this notion, as a "heresy".

Regards Mustardseed