The Astral and higher dimensions are not bound by linear time, they have always existed, but the physical universe did have a beginning because it is bound by linear time - the big bang didnt create the multiple dimensions, there was a reaction that eventually created the physical universe we now exist in.
I tend to look at the physical universe as the surface of a balloon and dots on that surface are stars or galaxys - you blow the balloon up it expands just as the universe is expanding right now - but the centre of the balloon where your exhaled gas is now located, isnt the surface of the balloon and this cannot be seen by the intelligent life that are living on the surface of the balloon because it is located beyond their physical perceptions. So if we look for the place the big bang started we're looking in the wrong dimension. This is my theory, that the big bang originated from another dimension and from there created the linear physical universe.
The theory of the big band is scientifically based and self consistent in that it can explains many things, such as the creation of sub atomic particles, atomic particles, etc... at the very beginning, it explains the expansion of the universe, that is actually accelerating.
Now comes the astral. The astral has not been proven scientifically to be correct or true or to be in another dimension. We cannot mix apples with potatoes as they are different and I don't think that we can ask a question about when the astral was created... It is more like almost a religious point of view where one could say that astral came first as in the religion God was there first as the cause of everything. I believe the astral at this point is more of a spiritual dimension and therefore it requires "spirits" to exist.
As to what can be accomplished in the astral. it is like in dreams, it looks as if everything is fiction. So a lucid dream like the one depicted has a psychological interpretation for sure. thanks goodness it is not reality but just a lucid dream! What people have in "mind" all "just for fun", makes me think some people need serious help (who posted that lucid dream about killing and incest? he might need a psychologist to speak with).
You see the physical world is a reality from which we sure cannot escape and in which we have a duty, whether it is to study, to be a parent, or whatever, and that reality comes way first before the astral realm, which existence stil needs to be proven.
Even if we are cosmic dust, and there is no apparent reason for life, there is still a right and a wrong, in that sens that wrong hurts people and right helps people, and I chose to help rather than to hurt. That's a reality that comes before everything.
Best to you.
Time is an illusion created by subsequent experiences. As such you can not say that the physical manifestation is linear.
Time exists, otherwise you would not be able to write on this forum, as all the computers you are using are based on physics!!!!! and fundamental physics too. What you experience as biological entities can seem to you as an illusion, but sure in order for you to have illusion you need to eat, drink, sleep, etc.. otherwise you just die. If you think all that is an illusion, sure you do have an illusion. Time exists and we are trapped in it!! as macroscopic particles we can only be under the classical laws of physics where time goes forward. that's what is time, it is this sensation of illusion, but that's real, as it happens everyday all the time, it is a reality way beyond your own mind. If it was not for biology, none of us would be here on the planet to debate anything.
The physical world with its big band has been proven to be true to me and to be a reality. It is not the case for the multidimentional astral realm.... it seems it is just something coming the very own human mind.
I do not believe in this theory at all.
I didn't say time didn't exist. I said it was an illusion. [:o)]
And classic physics are not accurate enough for modern times. Even in as simple a system as a pendelum swinging there are irregularities that these defunct theorems can not explain. They're written off as faults in measurments or just forgotten about somewhere behind the decimal point.
The theory is very consistent and it´s winning points in the scientific community. I know that people in this forum doesn´t like scientists because they don´t believe: in ufos, ghosts, astral dimensions, obes, telekinesis, telepathy, prophecies, etc. We should respect science and scientists as we respect astral projectors.
Many times scientist are like they are, because they are just doing there job.
About the Big Bang, i don´t have any idea how can we conciliate astral planes and visible universe, but it´s importante to refer that in the begining, it´s possible that the world was a multi-dimension world. It´s believed (but not proved yet) that the universe was constituted by 10-11 or even much more dimensions.
Besides that there is a quantic theory - the theory of super chords- that says that our world it´s build in 10 dimensions in a subtomic way. So you may ask: if it´s a 10 (or more) dimension world, how can we see things in 3 dimensions? 2 answers: first, maybe our brains are not prepared for such "jump"; second you must take into account this:
- if you look to a book, near you, it will look like a 3d object.
- If you look to the same book, let´s say, at 20 meters of distance (60-70 feet), it will look like a 2d object. You will see all the visible faces in only one shape. The object will look like, for example, a rectangle and not like a prism. For that reason we say that we see the object with a 2d look.
- if the book it´s even more far (50 meters- 150ft), then it will look like a line. It´s one dimension (1d) look.
-Even more far it will even look like a tiny point.
So, the other reason by wich we cannot see the world at 10 dimensions (more or less 10 dimensions) it´s this: the world it´s build in 10d in a subatomic scale, and that scale it´s so little (or if you prefer, "so far" from our limit of visibility) that we will see the things at 3dimensions only. The 10d distortion of world it´s "too far" from our eyes, and in that way we will see things at 3d.
And even besides that, the relativity of Einstein, predictes that our universe it´s deformed or binded in 4dimensions at a local scale at least. What does this mean? It means that objects with huge gravity (since little planets until black holes) can distorce the space in it´s vicinity.
Conclusion: our world it´s (very possibly) build in 4 dimensions at least. If so, maybe we can explain the existence of astral worlds (not so easy to explain astral worlds with big bang). They exist in a parallel world in the fourth (or fifth) dimension.
We cannnot say much more since we don´t know almost nothing related to other dimensions (i´m speaking in a scientific view).
On a side note, sort of. The Big Bang theory has not been proven yet. The whole thing is based on the assumption that gravity began pulling together all the structures we see such as planets stars etc. but there isn't enough visible mass out there to create enough gravity for this to happen, so in a feat of backward engineering, the idea of dark matter was posited to make up for the missing mass.
There are other theories that put forth the idea that the structures of the universe were pulled together by electro-magnetic forces (super-giant clouds of plasma specifically) which are much stronger than gravity. However, these theories are scoffed at because there is too much time/money/reputation invested in the Big Bang being The Answer.
This theory wont be proven. My 2 scents
What do you think about creation?
creation: I created a turd the other day.
The visible physical universe appears to be the result of the past. Earth came from a star so it has magma in its center. We can see that the stars came from about the same place from their movement, but how they were formed is only speculation. I do not "believe in" speculation.
Actually this is not quite correct as far as I understand. If they had come from the same place and been formed as the big bang theorises , they should all be spinning the same direction. This is a scientific law called the law for "Conservation of angular momentum".
Regards MS
There is a theory (Esoterians call it fact) about the metaphysics of the astral and higher worlds. Since it is the only theory I've ever heard, and I suspect it's the only theory that's "widely" accepted, I think it's worth some study.
The theory is unfortunately simply accepted as it is, and I suspect few people fully understand it well enough to give various examples for explanation. I can not promote it because I have not studied it properly yet, but if you'd like I can give you link to it.
The theory has many points favoring it.
_One of that points is the fact that the universe is in expansion. With the self expansion of the universe tissue, the galaxys are "draged" too. The astronomers noticed that all galaxys are getting away from our galaxy, and they observed too that ao much longer it´s the galaxy, much bigger it´s the drag speed. Besides that, they observed that such event happens to all galaxys: alll the galaxys in the univers are getting away from each other. This expansion has been observed and can only be explained by big bang theory.
- second: how much far we get back in time we will notice that the universe its to much more heat. Now it´s cold. The predictions about big bang theory say that if such is true, if there was a big bang in wich there was such hot, so we must expect to find some kind of hot radiation in space. That fossil radiation has been discovered. Scientist proved that universe it´s not complete cold. There is a uniform radioaton spreaded in all universe, caused by big bang
-quasares are other point favoring the big bang theory: they are most probably young galaxy born in the youth of our universe, after big bang. that explains the reaons why they emite so much energy (huge amounts of energy and radiaton).
-there are many points that validate the theory, related for example, with subatomic particles, but i´m not an expert to explain it. My self readed and reflected about such proofs, and i agree that big bang theory it´s very plausible.
Actually, big bang it´s the best theory describing and explaining the creation of universe.
If you believe that big bang theory it´s wrong, prove it. Science it´s about that: proofs and evidences.
If you believe that
My thinking comes from the kabalistic tree of life (which, incidentally, thought of the "big bang" theory long before modern science, although in quite different language) - the astral would come into be-ing "before" the physical. Creation started from the highest (pure God, the 7th dimension), and descended down the path of the lightning flash until the final end point creation was formed - the physical. That said, I also dont think it is possible to think of the physical and astral (and, indeed, all dimensions) as being mutually exclusive. That is, they cannot be seperated as they are all part of the same greater thing - it is impossible to have a physical world and not have an astral.
I am not familiar with the deeper workings of big bang theory but seem to remember it relies upon a sort of quantum fluctuation. It has been said here that the big bang theory explains the creation of all various particles and etc. This, and quantum theory, all require the use of more dimensions than the standard 3 and time. I see no reason why these should not be the ones we are familiar with ie astral. Superstring theory require the use of 9 spatial dimensions last time I checked (which is interesting as 9-3 (the 3 we are familiar with) = 6.....)
So anyway the creation of the astral was an intergral part of the creation of the universe as we know it, and can quite probably be explained within big bang theory. No doubt when science progresses to the point where its all better understood we will be able to confidently start interchanging terms, but as things stand cutting edge physics is still bleeding and shaky. Thats my understanding anyway.
Rob
I am an uneducated fool.
You can quote me on that.
Inguma just described a simpler version of what I was going on about in my previous post.
The link I was going to point ot is: http://www.laurency.com/KVe/kr1.pdf
Here is the same thing described with greater detail and a bit more scientific language.
mustardseed Actually this is not quite correct as far as I understand. If they had come from the same place and been formed as the big bang theorises , they should all be spinning the same direction. This is a scientific law called the law for "Conservation of angular momentum".
When a bomb explodes, most of its fragments spin different directions.
kazbadan alll the galaxys in the univers are getting away from each other. This expansion has been observed and can only be explained by big bang theory.
It could also be explained by unknown curves in our local spacetime that give the illusion that things are moving away from us. Or a giant alien display device enclosing our solar system with pictures of other galaxies that dont even exist. Or lots of other theories. Only the big bang theory!
Oh I thought the Big bang was a spinning thingy, my fault....... But if it was an explosion why does the fragments not just drift through space or buzz like a comet, but they all spin dont they? I am really puzzeled as I have read all the stuf in Christian publications and they seem to agree on some points but then again , 6000 years ....well I dont know. I guess I dont know either way.
I do not believe in this theory but I think if it happend, it happend by a MASSIVE explosion. To this day the "fragments" of the explosion would still be traveling space.
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before We clove them asunder, and We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (The Qur'an, 21:30 1500 years ago, before modern science caught up)
Because of the above quote I strongly support the big bang theory. I do not, however, support the belief in astral dimensions.
My belief is that when you are having an OOBE, you either leave your body and enter the RTZ or you don't, and you drift into a lucid dream. Since some Lucid dreams seem so "real," I can understand why one would like to believe that they actually where in another dimension.
Mohamed
I do not understand how you can not believe in astral d's...?
Beavis
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It could also be explained by unknown curves in our local spacetime that give the illusion that things are moving away from us. Or a giant alien display device enclosing our solar system with pictures of other galaxies that dont even exist. Or lots of other theories. Only the big bang theory!
We don't figure out whether stars are moving closer or farther away by sitting still and watching them slowly move across the sky. We measure the things the star system sends out at us, such as types of light, and then determine by that whether the star is coming closer or becoming more distant. The Big Bang Theory is the #1 theory, and I don't think any of those ideas are in any rank close behind.
Curves in our local spacetime, aside from totally lacking any evidence (but not needing any, I suppose, since it's one of those things that makes you think it solves its own problem), would only account for systems moving in closer or away. Unless our view of the sky was totally scrambled up by some kind of celestial blender, huge clusters of galaxies will appear clustered as they actually are (such as the 'center of the universe') and more spacey areas will appear as such.
The Big Bang Theory's importance is that it states that the universe is expanding from a single point. The way we are expanding, or more importantly,
why we are expanding as we are, is a whole different subject. We are actually accelerating away from the center of the universe. Scientists know that some time in the past, the acceleration outward was slowed but then resumed its acceleration for whatever reason and we are now going faster than ever. Unless there are always going to be more slow-down periods, we'll be heading off into nowhere at the speed of light eventually, meaning no possibility for physical life as we know it.
I just thought it would be worth it to point out to those that don't know that the Big Bang theory was thought of and put down on paper by Saint Thomas Aquinas, a christian.
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Originally posted by Ceriel N
I didn't say time didn't exist. I said it was an illusion. [:o)]
In that case according to your illusion theory I should be able to eat a chicken burger before the chicken it came from has been killed in its pen - If time is an illusion and not linear I should be able to walk to my local corner shop and get there before I even set off. In linear time you can only go from point A to point B and not point B to point A or if you wish to extend the example, you cant go from point A to C to B to H to D unless you have a means to break away from linear time.
To go from B to A you would require a
time machine, for that to work the time machine would have to leave linear time therefore our physical dimension - time in the physical dimension (our current dimension) is not an illusion its a reality.
Experiences are subsequent; Cause and effect; Entropy can not decresese.
If you could build a time-machine and go back in time, bringing your chicken burger with you, subsequent experience would make it seem as if time was linear anyway. If, by some miracle, you traveled the 'wrong' way in 4D space, rain falling up etc, time would still appear to be linear to you.
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Experiences are also, BTW, subjective.
I hope that all of you remember no_leaf_cover phrase:
"The Big Bang Theory is the #1 theory, and I don't think any of those ideas are in any rank close behind"
Until now, big bang theory it´s the first one describing the best it can the past of our universe. There is not any conspiracy of scientists trying to deceive us!
Besides that, there are many Physics theorys giving more proofs to big bang, like quanticsa and relativity.
Read the book "Return to the first second" (don´t know how to translate it) from Hubert Reeves. It shows the big bang theory and it´s proofs.
Hey I have a easy question. Who got the credit for publicly saying this theory?
jc84corvette:
"Hey I have a easy question. Who got the credit for publicly saying this theory?"
I already said it was St Thomas Aquinas.
Im sorry :( I must have skipped that page.
I have been thinking a lot about the Big Bang theory lately as one of my kids asked me about it. In the forming of the earth it seems to be generally accepted that this theory is how it happened. If it did what formed the astral? If matter evolved did the astral evolve with it. Then again if it did not was there a structure there to begin with? What happened to the first guy that died did he go to a big void as there were no structure there!!??
If one sees it this way, that we are all just bits of cosmic dust floating around, then there is no reason for life and no right and no wrong. Just like we are discussing on another thread where one guy in his Lucid dreams goes around and kills his parents and has sex with his sister etc etc all just for fun , is the astral without any form of right and wrong and is it in its most original purest condition and is this the blissfull nothingness enlightened people hope to reconnect with?
Regards Mustardseed