Take a deep breath!
This stuff is suppose to be fun! The moment this stuff becomes that of a job, where you begin to feel dissapointment and frustration.. just take a deep breath!
Don't be so hard on yourself. It is much more rewarding and beneficial to take a baby step, seizing the moment and moving on.. rather than attempting a lengthy jump, missteping, only to kick dust around for awhile in frustration. I've noticed, in my own personal experiences, the best results came about when I thought about it the least.. which brings me to my second piece of advice:
Don't expect anything! I've noticed that expectations.. good or bad, tend to tarnish the very realness of the moment. That is, next time you meditate or attempt anything of this sort.. don't put any preconceptions on any sort of accomplishment.. just do it, then at the end, evaluate the end result.. ending with positive feedback!
Hope this helps, even in the least..
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There is a kind of legal mushrooms, AMANITA MUSCARIA. Their only purpose is to cause an OBE. They are poisonous, like alcohol, so follow directions carefully. http://www.shamanshop.net will send them to you in the mail. I did them and did OBE for hours, my longest ever. They are the worst thing I've ever tasted, but it was worth it. Boil them for 1 hour on low heat. Then drink the liquid, and optionally eat the boiled mushrooms. The exact amount to boil can be found online.
Doesn't that seem a little extreme Beavis? I mean who knows what that mushroom can do if you fail to cook it or whatever correctly... I dunno that's just me...
Good to have ya back Turkey man :D
~Squeek
How hard is it to boil something for an hour on low heat? I wanted to OBE almost as much as FAt_Turkey, so I did it. Its no more extreme than getting very drunk.
Greetings,
I would be extremely cautious about using fungi of this sort.
Another fungus in the same group, Amanita Phalloides, is considered to be the most toxic fungus in the world, and is known as the "Death Cap" for good reason.
Also, you cannot be sure these things are causing OBE, it is more likely to be a hallucinogen affecting the mind and causing an internal trip of the psyche - like "magic mushrooms" for example.
With best regards,
Adrian.
Hi F_T,
Welcome back!
What I wanted to add is about the site posted on the mushrooms. Everyone has a slightly different reaction and experience with drugs or hallucinogens, in my opinion. Some people are mildly affected, some can experience psychological trauma. With "death cap" as Adrian mentioned, the results could be even worse yet.
Also, I read these posts from time to time about this drug or that herb and you'll get an obe. Is that the kind of obe we really want?
Something I've posted before is a quote from Astral Dynamics and I've copied it just below:
Take a look at pages 373 and 374 of Astral Dynamics. I think what Robert Bruce says makes a lot of sense: "The only cases I have come across where projectors have had seriously bad experiences with lower subplanes involved hallucinogenic drugs being used to precipitate out-of-body experiences. Drugs, while capable of causing out-of-body experiences, sidestep the required skills and abilities necessary for safe conscious-exit projections. This breaks many natural laws concerning projection while artificially overcoming many natural safeguards and barriers. Natural barriers are there to protect the novice from operating in dimensional areas they are not equipped to experience."
Very best,
Nick "With "death cap" as Adrian mentioned, the results could be even worse yet."
Thats why it should be ordered from that website I linked instead of finding them yourself. They look too similar to deadly mushrooms.
"Is that the kind of obe we really want?"
The obe I got was a lot longer and higher in astral than most of my others. Once you're out, it shouldnt matter much whats in your body, other than determining when you come back or if you get distracted and brought back momentarily.
Robert Bruce "Drugs, while capable of causing out-of-body experiences, sidestep the required skills and abilities necessary for safe conscious-exit projections. This breaks many natural laws concerning projection while artificially overcoming many natural safeguards and barriers. Natural barriers are there to protect the novice from operating in dimensional areas they are not equipped to experience."
Astral is not dangerous. The most it could do is scare you. How could somebody not be equipped to be scared when they dont even have a heart to stop from fear there? Just because you cant do something normally doesnt mean you shouldnt if you can. Otherwise, humans should not fly in airplanes because its unnatural.
I know this thread is old, I just thought I'd add a couple of things.
I've used the Amanita Muscaria mushrooms a couple of times, and I didn't think of it before, but I had a very strange experience. I think I had an OBE but remember little of it. It is very effective as a sedative.
The active chemical in these mushrooms is very unique, it appears in very few plants/fungi. It is not even metabolized by the liver, in archaic cultures, people would drink others urine to experience the same effect of the user.
These mushrooms are red with white warts, it's very common in fairy tale pictures and the like, also in Super Mario Bros. The "Death Caps" are completely white, just like an everyday mushroom, this is what can lead to death in some people, they think it is an edibale mushroom. This could lead to a painful death, leading to a liver failure and death by the bodies on toxins. There is little to no risk of ingesting a lethally toxic mushroom when looking for these, they look completely different.
It is also very unlikely to confuse these mushrooms with "Magic Mushrooms", these Psilocybin and Psilocin containing mushrooms are mostly small and brown. These mushrooms will give the user hallucinations, similar to LSD, by causing the seratonin receptors to overfire, creating small swirls of colour that can manifest into larger hallucinations.
Sorry for the long post, I don't mean to encourage any use of any psychoactive fungi, just to make aware this distinction. While magic mushrooms will give you a psychedelic trip, the Amanita Muscaria's will not lead to a psycedelic experience, they will give a very unique experience. While some mushrooms can be fatal, with pictures of Amanita Muscaria's, you should be confident in finding the correct. If you are in doubt for some reason, a fungi expert will be able to differentiate the species almost positively.
Good luck!
Astral projection? It's so easy! I mean, I can project in my sleep.
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Get it? So can you. You want to know if you're making progrees in reaching altered states of consciousness? Keep a dream journal. The better you become at that, the better you become at visualizing, meditating, energy work, all of that. It will be a daily record of your work and improvement.
Hey everyone.
I just got back connected to the Internet after downloading that patch for protecting my computer from that new worm that's been going around, and then I decided to post something. It's been a while.
I just wanted to say that all this astral stuff is so hard, that I've actually given up nearly a thousand times. I mean, at one time I was determined that I would spend the three months on NEW Energy Ways, spending a bit of energy development to one single section or chapter of the instructions at a time. This proved to be tedious and laborious, and for someone of my lazy stature, the memory and willpower to do this gradually faded out. Then there's meditation and mind clearing techniques. There is absolutely NO guidance around to be sure you are doing these things right! I mean, I'm sure I can hit alpha state quite easily now, but that was only after experiencing it through a free demonstration of Holosync, which I'm sure a lot of you have heard of (if not, go to www.centerpointe.com).
Why does it have to be so hard? I mean, with everything else e.g. Martial Arts, school, university and work projects, learning to do something new like a language...if you fail and don't know if you're doing something right, there is guidance and help to get you back on track. That's where all of this astral stuff becomes pure fluke that the average everyday person can pull all of it off. It's like walking through a maze with a blindfold on - you don't know which turns are the true path to the goal.
On top of that, it's frustrating. I mean, every time I sit down and I do some NEW and I don't feel anything whatsoever, I begin to get convinced that I'm not doing it right. I mean, everybody else feels these overwhelming sensations that practically knock them off their feet! All I feel is...well..nothing half the time! I know this could be a sign of development, but then why is it so hard for me to do a full-body circuit? I can't feel a damned thing running through my body, and I have to really push it to get the slightest tingly half-second rush going.
Meditation is perhaps worse on the frustration scale. You keep saying to yourself "aahhh..you've stopped thinking" or "okay, just slow down...stop thinking...that's good...oh wait! YOU'RE THINKING YOU MORON!" It's just great! I was supposed to be able to go astral LAST YEAR using the plans on a day-to-day basis from Astral Dynamics. The exercises are just too hard. Everything just keeps getting in the way. It seems that I'll be going through training exercises for the next TEN YEARS before I get anywhere with this mystical stuff - I have absolutely no idea how you people can pull it off. It's just impossible for me - or at least it seems that way.
Help! Why does it have to be so annoyingly hard!? Why can't I DO any of this!?
-FT