The Astral Pulse

The former dwellers of the Earth

Intro

What you are about to read can be disturbing and can make you go insane, this is not a joke, so if you think that you're not ready to thread these waters then I suggest you don't read any further. For those that want to know more, you are certifying that you have good control over your emotions. For those that will read in disbelief, you are the best readers.

These informations are being made available because there's something very important that everyone should know. There is strong evidence to change everything that is currently accepted about the Earth and it's past inhabitants. I've been completely disturbed by this ever since it became clear to my eyes. Should I let others know? Am I meant to do this at all? Will I risk being thought of as a fool, nutcase, paranoid? Maybe, therefore I encourage you to verify every single sentence that was written here, and decide if it makes sense or not.

What I found has always been there for all to see, all I did was to connect the dots with lines to form the figure, so the credit goes to all the researchers that came before me and left their dots. My work is just another dot, and hopefully someone will use it to form the bigger picture.


Background

Extinguished ancient civilizations are known to have possessed incredible technological knowledge, undeniable astronomical, agricultural and mathematical skills, and perhaps the most impressive and tangible legacy of their long lost past are the astonishing, complex gigantic structures made of carved stones that can be found scattered all over the globe, usually dated to at least 4.000 years ago, the Megaliths.

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(For more info: Ale's Stones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ale%27s_Stones); Burnt Hill (http://www.white-history.com/hwr6c.htm); Cromeleque dos Almendres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almendres_Cromlech); Pedra Montada (http://www.guararema.sp.gov.br/home/tur_pedra_montada.htm); Carnac Stones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnac_stones); Khakassia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khakassia))

Megalithic monuments can have stones of weighs varying from 10 tons to more than 150 tons, and heights that can reach up to 14 feet each.

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAABYbqM__Uual_cye3oJqh8nWFlosgsniBe4-vlwJ3Ji_w2X8W8soJpzmm4W3Lq8i9Cpj6Z4QkQhyjFme40g-S3EAJtU9VCX1dUcGmwFYIiMAwDLkjNlSjpemQ.jpg)

(For more info: Mnajdra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnajdra); Hagar Qim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagar_Qim); Stonehenge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonehenge); Ggantija (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ggantija))

Enormous blocks of stone are so precisely fitted together that even today with our modern technology it would be impossible to replicate such an everlasting feat.

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAADUankPfvYXS-L4gYRuhRROBVSzU8v15_I87LX6bzjerxS2-pv2eJy8bnV6YlPX7OHhilgEwIDGUsk_unFvg1q3AJtU9VBAA02s-NVzByiYDWyUe6ZHN-NtDQ.jpg)
(For more info: Kheops Pyramid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza); Baalbek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek); Tiahuanaco (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiahuanaco); Sacsayhuamán (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacsayhuaman))

It has been proposed in the book 'The World Without Us' by Alan Weisman, that if the whole humanity suddenly disappeared from the face of the planet, all the great cities in the world would soon start to crumble due to natural phenomena and lack of maintenance. Roads would give way to forests, and skyscrapers would fall in a period of decades.
(For more info: http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html)

Who were the people that built these magnificent structures? They seemingly knew things that only now we're starting to grasp. If we look back to the scriptures of the very first civilization known, the Sumerians (5.000 BC), we find stories about a race called Anunnaki, who "descended" to Earth and established their cities on the alluvial plain of Mesopotamia. They supposedly created and instructed the human race, and in the scriptures, the Anunnaki are said to have been giants. Roman and Greek's texts speak about Titans, a race of godlike giants who ruled the Earth before the Olympians overthrew them.

If these ancient stories are true, that would explain the largeness of the constructions, but what does Archeology have to say? Has any Archeological proof for giants been found besides the monuments and legends?

The concise answer is yes (http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=3891), tombs, mummies and bones have appeared and disappeared here and there, however, no academic register of that nature has ever been made public.

It has been reported that there were larger animals, like mammoths, elephant birds that were over 3 meters (10 feet) tall and weighed almost half a tonne, great lizards and reptiles like the dinosaurs. Ocean creatures were larger and more numerous, like giant squids, and even a giant water scorpion that lived 330 million years ago.

Historians and Archeologists tell us that our ancestors were taller, stronger, but they won't tell us that they were giants, and for many obvious reasons. Among all those reasons, likely to be the most important of all, is that we simply don't know what happened to them.

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The stones

Some of the stones used in the megalithic monuments were carried from distant places by methods not clearly understood yet, for instance, the nearest source of stones of the size represented by the large sarsens at Stonehenge is on the Marlborough Downs, about 30km (18mi) to the NE, and the 'blue-stones' were transported from over 100 miles away. Granite stones for Sacsayhuaman, of weighs between 361 tons - 440 tons, were transported 20 miles over mountains terrain. The source of other stones like the Carnac Stones, Cromeleque dos Almendres, and Pedra Montada, remains unkown. Could they have been carried from places much farther than what is believed? What would it mean if we discovered similar structures on other planets?

Speculations of a connection between the pyramids in Egypt and planet Mars have arisen when a humanoid face was photographed among pyramidal sructures in a region of Mars called Cydonia Mensae, in a picture taken by Viking 1 on July 25, 1976. Debates around the uncanny formation seemed to have settled after new higher-resolution images suggested that it was just an optical illusion. But still there is something significant to know: Is there any correlation whatsoever between the soil and rocks on Mars and the stones of the quarries and pyramids in Egypt?

Egypt:

Egypt is a country rich in stone and was sometimes even referred to as the "state of stone". There was an abundance in Egypt both in quantity and variety of stones, from soft limestone and alabaster through harder sandstone to granite and basalt. From the Third Dynasty (about 2700 BC), stone was used extensively in construction. Most of the material used was fairly rough, low grade limestone used to build the pyramid core, while fine white limestone was often employed for the outer casing as well as to cover interior walls, though pink granite was also often used on inner walls. Basalt or alabaster was not uncommon for floors, particularly in the mortuary temples and as was mudbricks to build walls within the temples (though often as not they had limestone walls).

The ancient basalt quarries of Widan Al-Faras (Ears of the Horse), so named after two hills which stand as a prominent geological feature at Gabal Qatrani, lie in the north of Fayoum about 80km southwest of Cairo. Not only do they form the best preserved ancient geological landscape from ancient Egypt, but this is also the oldest and most extensively-used basalt outcrop. There are no known archaeologically preserved equivalents anywhere else in the world.

(sources: http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/material.htm ; http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/788/hr1.htm)


Pyramids:
Using ion beams, Demortier analyzed pieces of material from the pyramid, dated between 2551 and 2528 BC. His collaborators have determined alumino-silicate compounds. "In the 1970s, Josephs Davidovits studied chemical composition of polymers, with the aim of finding a fire-proof material. He discovered geo-polymer and some years later found out that the pyramid blocks have nearly the same composition. Upon his initiative I analyzed the matterial and found out that it is synthetic, not natural, especially because of the lixivial stone." Said in a much-simplified way, Guy Demortier asserts that the Egyptians built pyramids on the left bank of Nile from a kind of concrete, composed of 85 percent of limestone and of 15 percent of binder, containing water and natron; the latter is an alkaline sodium compound occurring in this area.
(source: http://srs.dl.ac.uk/arch/what-the-papers-say/Demortier/DELO-article-translation.htm)

The pyramid samples contained microconstituents (μc's) with appreciable amounts of Si (silicon) in combination with elements, such as Ca (calcium) and Mg (magnesium), in ratios that do not exist in any of the potential limestone sources. The intimate proximity of the μc's suggests that at some time these elements had been together in a solution. Furthermore, between the natural limestone aggregates, the μc's with chemistries reminiscent of calcite and dolomite—not known to hydrate in nature—were hydrated. The ubiquity of Si and the presence of submicron silica-based spheres in some of the micrographs strongly suggest that the solution was basic. Transmission electron microscope confirmed that some of these Si-containing μc's were either amorphous or nanocrystalline, which is consistent with a relatively rapid precipitation reaction. The sophistication and endurance of this ancient concrete technology is simply astounding.
(source: http://www.geopolymer.org/news/cutting-edge-analysis-proves-davidovits%E2%80%99-pyramid-theory)

Samples from six different sites at the traditionally associated quarries of Turah and Mokattam have been studied using thin-section, chemical X-Ray analysis and X-Ray diffraction. The results were compared with pyramid casing stones of Cheops, Teti and Seneferu. The quarry samples are pure limestone consisting of 96-99% Calcite, 0.5-2.5% Quartz, and very small amount of dolomite, gypsum and iron-alumino-silicate. On the other hand the Cheops and Teti casing stones are limestone consisting of: calcite 85-90% and a high amount of special minerals such as Opal CT, hydroxy-apatite, a silico-aluminate, which are not found in the quarries. The pyramid casing stones are light in density and contain numerous trapped air bubbles, unlike the quarry samples which are uniformly dense. If the casing stones were natural limestone, quarries different from those traditionally associated with the pyramid sites must be found, but where? X-Ray diffraction of a red casing stone coating is the first proof to demonstrate the fact that a complicated man-made geopolymeric system was produced in Egypt 4,700 years ago.
(source: http://www.world-mysteries.com/pex_7.htm)

Mars:

Using atmospherically-corrected TES emissivity spectra, [1] and [2] identified two major surface types on Mars: basalt and andesite.
From low-resolution (1 ppd) global maps of the distributions of the two surface types, [1] concluded that the basalt is restricted to the cratered terrain, and andesite is concentrated primarily in the northern lowlands, but also has significant concentrations throughout the cratered highlands.
(source: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2002AGUSM.P31A..06R)

Close inspection reveals a host of rock types, from primitive volcanic material like olivine-rich basalts to highly processed silica-rich rocks such as granite, the study found. The diversity implies that the surface rocks have been reconstituted many times over an extended period of time, perhaps into the present era.

Christensen explained: "You melt the mantle and you get olivine basalts; you melt them again and you get basalt; you melt that and you make andesite; you melt that and you make dacite; you melt that and you make granite."

Mars is "a very complex world underneath that veneer of basalt," Christensen said.
(source: http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050706_mars_diverse.html)

The analyzed rocks were partially covered by dust but otherwise compositionally similar to each other. They are unexpectedly high in silica and potassium, but low in magnesium compared to martian soils and martian meteorites.
(source: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/278/5344/1771)

Although the first APXS soil analysis (A-2) was reported to be almost identical to Viking soils, ssubsequent analyses demonstrate some variability and a few significant differences from Viking analyses. Specifically, soils at the Pathfinder site generally have higher aluminum and magnesium, and lower iron, chlorine, and sulfur. Scooby Doo, which appears to be a sedimentary rock composed primarily of compacted soil, also exhibits a few chemical differences form the surrounding soils.
(source: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/science/mineralogy.html)

NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit has found a patch of bright-toned soil so rich in silica that scientists propose water must have been involved in concentrating it.

The silica-rich patch, informally named "Gertrude Weise" after a player in the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League, was exposed when Spirit drove over it during the 1,150th Martian day, or sol, of Spirit's Mars surface mission (March 29, 2007). One of Spirit's six wheels no longer rotates, so it leaves a deep track as it drags through soil. Most patches of disturbed, bright soil that Spirit had investigated previously are rich in sulfur, but this one has very little sulfur and is about 90 percent silica.

Silica commonly occurs on Earth as the crystalline mineral quartz and is the main ingredient in window glass. The Martian silica at the Gertrude Weise patch is non-crystalline, with no detectable quartz.
(source: http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/gallery/press/spirit/20070521a.html)


Conclusion

Basalt and granite are a commom for both Mars and Egypt, but no limestone was ever found on Mars. Limestone is a sedimentary rock, it's presence would indicate that there were once oceans or large lakes there. Egypt is rich in limestone because it was covered by the sea during the Cretaceous Period.

Silica, aluminum, and magnesium are also found on both the Martian soil and on the composition of the pyramids. This would be of little significance, if not for the Opal CT, a rare substance on Earth, found in considerable amounts on the Egyptian pyramids.

Silica is silicon dioxide, non-crystalline silica like Gertrude Weise on Mars when hydrated is known as Opal-A, it's an amorphous silica and a necessary ingredient to produce Opal CT. Under atmospheric conditions of temperature and pressure, Opal-A would over time turn into Opal CT, and then microquartz. Silica will also combine with aluminum in the presence of magnesium or calcium, thus forming alumino-silicate compounds, and that's also what Demortier collaborators have found on the pyramids.

Joseph Davidovits, who analyzed the stones of the pyramids wrote "High amount of Silica exists in the casing stone of Cheops and Teti, yet, in the associated quarries there is only quartz and no presence of Opal CT. The presence of Opal CT in the casing stone of Cheops does not indicate that it is naturally occuring, since Opal CT is not found in the quarries."

My question is where did the Egyptians get the amorphous (non-crystalline) silica in high amounts to produce their pyramids, when that substance doesn't commonly occur on Earth?

. . .

Now, what if part of the raw material used to build the pyramids were brought from Mars?

I know, that's crazy, but here's the list:

*2.4 million blocks, weighing 2.5 tons each, cut, carried and and put together with millimetric precision by 'people using simple instruments';

*They were fitted together so perfectly that the tip of a knife cannot be inserted between the joints even to this day;

*Granite quarried nearly 800 km away in Aswan with blocks weighing as much as 60-80 tonnes, was used for the King's Chamber and relieving chambers;

*The casing stones of the Great Pyramid and Khafre's Pyramid (constructed directly beside it) were cut to such optical precision as to be off true plane over their entire surface area by only 0.5 mm;

And the list goes on and on...

John Anthony West writes in reference to Egypt in particular: "How does a complex civilization spring full blown into being? Look at a 1905 automobile and compare it to a modern one. There is no mistaking the process of 'development'. But in Egypt there are no parallels. Everything is right there from the start."

An interesting thing about Aswan is that it is one of the driest inhabited places in the world; as of early 2001, the last rain there was 6 years earlier. As of 18 May 2007, the last rainfall was a thunderstorm on May 13, 2006. In Nubian settlements, they generally do not bother to roof all of the rooms in their houses.

Is it possible that the whole city of Aswan stands on the soil brought from Mars?

Pictures of Aswan:
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No blue light penetrates the martian atmosphere, as it is absorbed by dust, giving the sky it's red color.

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The real quarry

What would have happened if the former dwellers of the Earth started using earthly resources to build their gigantic temples here? The Earth would most certainly be full of gigantic holes, sort of like these:

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Those are accepted today as 'meteor impact holes'.  Are most of them impact craters? I don't know. Are all of them meteor impact holes? Definitely not.

The first thing to ask is: If the soil was soft enough to absorb the impact and create holes, how could have the meteors exploded and disappeared?

Not that they can't explode, but if they did explode there's something crucial to be asked...

The second thing to ask is: Why the nearly perfect spherical holes? What does it take for an object to crash and make a spheral hole? The first indispensable requirement is a perfect spherical object, meteors and asteroids tend to have irregular shapes, but let's suppose that all of them are perfect round structures. For that round structure to make a perfect hole it has to move on a perfect vertical line towards a surface, otherwise the hole would be egg-shaped, wider than deeper. The next thing needed after we have a perfect round object falling on a perfect vertical line, is for the object to hit a surface that is softer than itself, so that it can imprint it's mark, and then mysteriously disappear. If the object exploded it would make a total mess and ruin all the previous perfect conditions.

Asteroid 253 Mathilde, discovered in 1880 by Johann Palisa, has an area of 52 km² (32mi), and 2 of it's largest 'impact craters' are respectively 29.3 km (18mi) and 33.4 km (20mi) wide. They are wider than the asteroid's average radius! Mathilde has at least 5 craters larger than 20km (12mi) in diameter on the roughly 60% of the body viewed by the Galileo spacecraft in 1993.

How could those immense, successive, devastating 'impacts' not have completely destroyed that asteroid made of chalk? Either some extremely strange force held it in place and steady, or that what we call impact craters may be a totally different thing.

The pattern on Mars:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAABrAgduvx2Qhz-8Thh4J3LPUhiDT26MDM0crpsmFxH0gZiUePLZ-OJSKIHH9qHgIcrtwgzicnHgymInaoWd0yjtAJtU9VBFE-3HcM70RVbQOPCzIC1xMtPslg.jpg)

Mercury - holes found: zillions, meteors found: 0?

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This next picture is a very peculiar and strong proof that not only has intelligent life visited Mars before us, but that scientists are well informed of that. Here you can see two triangular shaped rocks that had their upper parts sliced off. They were carefully positioned in the center of the image taken by the probe, two of a kind side by side among thousands of other ordinary rocks:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAADZJjpY6B_iLRLnuIyxgM-G8heSO3eFme3aWI9zbSIXoYcIw1VCPZE1uXJNHVjl8QclmxcN_VncYdjluz1oo907AJtU9VASSljUnLf4YF2P10ccJzlpy7SK0Q.jpg)

The name of that previous picture is Twin Peaks  :roll:


A message?

As strange as it may sound I'm not interested in conspiracies, ufos, and I don't believe in reptilians, what I know now is that something very important happened in the past, and that story is not being told in school books. So, what's the meaning of all this? The stones, the temples, the legends, the marks on other planets, us, what is it all about? One thing is clear, those that lived long before us were very careful with the places that they've chosen to settle their civilizations, and with the materials that they used to build their cities. They were so diligent with their work that they left their unmistakable traces in all parts of the world to be found thousands of years later, and these traces would lead to a serious implication, that we were invited to take part in this creation.

One could picture the human race as fishes in an aquarium, but I think that what time has shown is that we are co-authors of a masterpiece, and we are just beginning. The question is now upon us, what honourable everlasting legacy are we leaving behind for the generations in the future?


Curiosities

The megalith of Pedra Montada stands about 4km (2.4mi) from where I live, and when it's not too hot I sometimes get my bike and go there. It's kind of difficult because it's an ascent, so at some points I have to get off the bike and walk it past the slopes. The way back is great, running over 60km (37mi) an hour on a bike you get to feel the wind and the ground real good. Now my brakes are not so good so I avoid going that fast.

Last time I went there I brought my camera with me and found that there is a stone much larger than the Pedra Montada, it looks like a huge crocodile behind the trees.

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAABSJZOcZzPQXK0zoPzpwuJ0iJH8BQMdbTS_DEzQ9sDac2YKBXQ503EpPIpx8V_9N_BC7uoVF0fSz8-vnN4ACu2KAJtU9VA1g2aviQaLEf7rGsdQhuTvi04oLQ.jpg)

That thing is more than 10m (32 feet) long, and possibly weighs over 100 tons.

Another one that caught my attention is this half stone that is partially buried in the ground. Whoever sliced that stone used a very good instrument, it left no marks or slivers like one would expect from a sawing.

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAAA6woVY1tbJ_BRBWeOvTfKAy-X2a5-vnVTMWPrNEpv_6WP2_pi0HGDe9x3Q2K_dzOpPp9FN5lDX8WNPJ34itm16AJtU9VCRvZrmRW7bQpDjlaZMWrLuklWWSQ.jpg)


While researching sources of amorphous silica I found out about this substance called diatomaceous earth. It is composed of fossilized remains of diatoms, a type of hard-shelled algae, and it's usually over 97% amorphous silica. 30 million years ago the diatoms built up into deep, chalky deposits of diatomite, sometimes thousands of feet under the ancient lake floor and seabed. The diatoms are mined and ground up to render a powder that looks and feels like talcum powder to us.

So, to consider the possibility that the builders of the pyramids were mining that product at such depths and processing it to mix it with limestone at 10% could be just as wild of an idea as the possibility that the silica was brought from Mars, except for two details, neither the product nor pits that deep were ever found in Egypt, on the other hand if you take a look at Mars...

An analysis of the microscopic structure of the silica on diatomaceous earth and the silica found on the pyramids should be able to clarify this.


Final notes

One day while writing this I started having serious doubts whether I should continue or not, it all sounds too insane for my taste even though I was inspired to start writing after my recent findings from researches on megaliths. I was out in the backyard looking at the stars and thinking about stopping and deleting everything, I don't want to play the fool or mislead people, so I asked for a sign, a good and clear indication that I was either right and should continue, or that I was totally wrong and should quit and forget all this, whatever I was shown I would understand and follow. Well, I went to bed and had a non-lucid dream in which I was on the beach and a few meteors started falling from the sky crashing into the sand and the sea leaving a trail of dust and smoke in the air. Most of them were the size of a car, the first one hit the water, the second one hit the sand, the third fell to the far right of my view, and I was starting to worry that one of them could hit my head, you know, when you're not lucid dreams can make a perfect depiction of reality. Then there was silence, everything was quiet when a massive meteor about the size of a basketball court crashed into the sand 100 meters (320 feet) in front of me and sunk. When the dust settled I saw it had formed a heart-shaped hole. Woke up after that and thought it was some kind of joke, a heart-shaped hole, alright, anyways, none of the meteors exploded, so at least I had a small confirmation. It was only late that day when I decided to make a search on 'heart-shaped craters', guess what I found? A heart-shaped crater on Mars, and what is this inside of the crater? A meteor. Now I'm totally convinced, so I had to finish the article.
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Recommended websites:

http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/extremasonry.htm    -    Impossible objects
http://www.skybooksusa.com/time-travel/experime/paleozoi.htm    -    Impossible findings 
http://www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk/top50stones.htm     -    The largest cut-stones of all time
http://www.s8int.com/greatpyramid.html    -    The Great Pyramid

Recommended videos:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4848668803639628771&q=forbidden+archeology&total=67&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2    -    Forbidden archeology (THIS IS AWESOME, A MUST SEE!) (Special guest appearance of Max Cavalera from Soulfly at 17:22)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV6bVF9I-uI   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lX3IGxu86w   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnj1p6coi0   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogMnFJkUTnc   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prfirgGmzb8   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-QtFMNkihw   -    Giants-Mystery And The Myth 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSoH7YANptM   -    Pyramid mysteries
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzh_04peCI   -    Incredible Egyptian technology

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzok29ugiS4   -    Bases on the Moon and "out of place" artifacts

Maybe the meteors are so small that you can't see them.
The speed of the meteor crashing is strong enough to form an explosion right?

I have no clue on meteors, but what I know is that those shapes look natural and not made.

So how can we really explain what made them, since it's virtually impossible for a meteor or asteroid to leave a mark like that? Holes don't simply pop out of the ground like grass, something has to actively create it, or induce changes in order for it to be created.

That was worth reading. Thanks.

-AM

wow that was awesome! I had no idea about the composition of the materials of the pyramids. Interesting how it seems impossible for them to have been built by man... Somethings definately up!

How about this: the meteor penetrates the outer circle of a planet, which makes the magma come out and hide the meteor.
Could be possible.

Even if the meteor can be explained. I think it still raises an eyebrow to knowledge that we take for granted, it's definately put it in question for me.

-AM

I think in the Egypt section you forgot to mention some hieroglyphs found in a temple that appear to show a modern helicopter, submarine, and an airplane/spaceship. I saw them on a show before where they tried to explain them by saying that it was just hieroglyphs that were layered on top of each other.

Yeah right, how unfortunate that they forgot to write how you can make flying cars.

Fragments of meteors have been found in and around craters. When they come through the atmosphere, they nomally burn up and you see a shooting star. Some of the big ones get through, but are still exposed to extreme temperatures from the atmosphere. When they collide with the planet, they essentially vaporize with little to find. But there is nearly always geological evidence. Here's a quote from a pretty good article on the subject:

QuoteIn massive events caused by a large impactor, tremendous pressures and temperatures are generated that can vaporize the meteorite altogether or can completely melt and mix it with melted target rocks. Over several thousand years, any detectable meteoritic component might erode away. In some cases, nonterrestrial relative abundance of siderophile elements can be detected in the impact melt rocks within large craters - a chemical signature of the meteorite impactor.

found here: http://www.solarviews.com/eng/tercrate.htm

You can see the impacted rock in the center of some of the craters in the picture of Mercury.

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Why the nearly perfect spherical holes? What does it take for an object to crash and make a spheral hole? The first indispensable requirement is a perfect spherical object, meteors and asteroids tend to have irregular shapes, but let's suppose that all of them are perfect round structures. For that round structure to make a perfect hole it has to move on a perfect vertical line towards a surface, otherwise the hole would be egg-shaped, wider than deeper. The next thing needed after we have a perfect round object falling on a perfect vertical line, is for the object to hit a surface that is softer than itself, so that it can imprint it's mark, and then mysteriously disappear. If the object exploded it would make a total mess and ruin all the previous perfect conditions.

The gravity of the planet pulls on the meteor causing a more direct hit. As it goes through the atmosphere, parts of it burn up, making it more round. When it disintegrates on impact, the force would push outwards from the center causing a round crater.

The thing that makes this a tough one for me is, I don't believe in physical, outerspace aliens. I believe that any aliens or UFO's seen come from inner-dimensions, and it's our beliefs that fill in the outerspace/saucer/alien stuff. Maybe these inner-aliens did help ancient civilizations with knowledge, but did they bring limestone from Mars...

Or, do you mean that humans went to Mars and brought it back?  Or, did I miss the entire picture?

Hey

Great Thread! 

I  disagree with your interpretation on the meteor impacts.  Think about the logistics of transferring raw material across the solar system, its just not efficient!


  However other aspects are interesting.  The Annunaki are described in detail by ancient cuneiform scripts/tablets. Also depicted in some sumerian tablets is the solar system  complete with neptune! (didn't Galileo discover neptune WITH A TELESCOPE?) Sumerians had no telescopes.

Tihuanaco is claimed to be as one of the lost kingdoms of Atlantis.  A gate claimed by one anthropologist as "the Vernal equinox Gate"  was supposed to line up with the rising sun on the first day of spring.  But this couldn't have happened after 10,000 BC, when the last time this gate would line up!  The anthropologist recieved much criticism after this.

  anyhow, our knowledge is tainted, so we'll never know....

     



     

I'm not sure when they were constructed and if they are pertanent to the topic, but the monoliths on Easter Island are the neatest.  :-D

Thanks for reading.  :-P

Quote from: Sharpe on September 24, 2007, 03:13:59
How about this: the meteor penetrates the outer circle of a planet, which makes the magma come out and hide the meteor.
Could be possible.

Magma is found thousands of feet deep under the crust, so it's unlikely.

Quote from: Stookie on September 24, 2007, 15:19:27
Fragments of meteors have been found in and around craters. When they come through the atmosphere, they nomally burn up and you see a shooting star. Some of the big ones get through, but are still exposed to extreme temperatures from the atmosphere. When they collide with the planet, they essentially vaporize with little to find. But there is nearly always geological evidence. Here's a quote from a pretty good article on the subject:

found here: http://www.solarviews.com/eng/tercrate.htm

You can see the impacted rock in the center of some of the craters in the picture of Mercury.
The gravity of the planet pulls on the meteor causing a more direct hit. As it goes through the atmosphere, parts of it burn up, making it more round. When it disintegrates on impact, the force would push outwards from the center causing a round crater.

The thing that makes this a tough one for me is, I don't believe in physical, outerspace aliens. I believe that any aliens or UFO's seen come from inner-dimensions, and it's our beliefs that fill in the outerspace/saucer/alien stuff. Maybe these inner-aliens did help ancient civilizations with knowledge, but did they bring limestone from Mars...

Or, do you mean that humans went to Mars and brought it back?  Or, did I miss the entire picture?

All meteorites and asteroids found to have impacted the Earth are not round enough to account for the structures they supposedly left on Mars, Mercury, and the Moon.
(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAACBnZcqf-_WqPO1EEj2dqTLU6Ojo6xbUqwb18C_jjEbNVD0I2B8Jdb_sW1Q_ldTCRQW48rzSMx0-dCoFClNaqt2AJtU9VA3SF3lRVkMHVAaX_wAhxPjpaXicA.jpg)

In Mercury we can see holes inside holes, those are not rocks inside the craters. And we still can't explain why the nearly perfect spherical formations nor what happened to 253 Mathilde. After the impact the expanding force of the explosion would create deformed holes, for rocks are made of different particles of different masses.

I mean that they were giants, possibly not humans, maybe from other dimensions, yes, and they brought the amorphous silica from mars to dress the pyramids.

Quote from: volcomstone on September 24, 2007, 15:49:16
Hey

Great Thread! 

I  disagree with your interpretation on the meteor impacts.  Think about the logistics of transferring raw material across the solar system, its just not efficient!


  However other aspects are interesting.  The Annunaki are described in detail by ancient cuneiform scripts/tablets. Also depicted in some sumerian tablets is the solar system  complete with neptune! (didn't Galileo discover neptune WITH A TELESCOPE?) Sumerians had no telescopes.

Tihuanaco is claimed to be as one of the lost kingdoms of Atlantis.  A gate claimed by one anthropologist as "the Vernal equinox Gate"  was supposed to line up with the rising sun on the first day of spring.  But this couldn't have happened after 10,000 BC, when the last time this gate would line up!  The anthropologist recieved much criticism after this.

  anyhow, our knowledge is tainted, so we'll never know....         

Good point, I had to answer a similar question on another forum.

This is a very interesting point. There are not many things that we can say with certainty about the Ancient Egypt, so it is my point of view that the special silica used in the construction is like the artist's signature on his work. They could have made the pyramids out of anything available here, but no, they chose this very fine substance, which only now we're discovering to be abundant on Mars. To me, The Great Pyramid is the symbol of Mars on Earth.

They are discovering huge cuneiform writtings on Mars, and they claim it might have been formed by water... should we laugh or cry? I can only start to imagine the fantastic things that they have found there and are keeping to themselves.

http://www.calacademy.org/science_now/archive/headline_science/mars_062101.php

its kinda nuts how heavy those stones in the pyramid are.. and how high the damn thing is combined with the precision of how amazingly accuratly the stones are cut and placed then cemented. Its an engineering feat we couldnt achieve today... so how were neolithic people supposed to have built something we cant even build today with seemingly synthetic materials?

I found this from one of the links in the original post.
http://www.s8int.com/greatpyramid.html 

Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 24, 2007, 20:37:31
Still further evidence that the dynastic Egyptians did not construct the Great Pyramid may be found in sediments surrounding the base of the monument, in legends regarding watermarks on the stones halfway up its sides, and in salt incrustations found within. Silt sediments rising to fourteen feet around the base of the pyramid contain many seashells and fossils that have been radiocarbon-dated to be nearly twelve thousand years old.

These sediments could have been deposited in such great quantities only by major sea flooding, an event the dynastic Egyptians could never have recorded because they were not living in the area until eight thousand years after the flood. This evidence alone suggests that the three main Giza pyramids are at least twelve thousand years old.

its interesting that the evidence there suggests the pyramids are 12,000 years old.
That site is well worth a read... It points out another interesting point and that is that each of the three pyramids on the giza plateau has a shaft in the kings chamber and when you look directly up it, each one of them points to a different star in orions belt.

If you put a dead body inside the kings chamber it doesnt decay, it only dehydrates. This experiement has been recreated and performed numerous times. VERY interesting.

Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 24, 2007, 19:56:02
Thanks for reading.  :-P

I diiiiid. Really, I swear.  :-D

I just couldn't stop thinking about those heads poking up out of the hillsides for some reason.

I tried to lift the crocodile stone but could not  :|

Quote from: Astir on September 26, 2007, 20:42:26
I diiiiid. Really, I swear.  :-D

I just couldn't stop thinking about those heads poking up out of the hillsides for some reason.

Yes, the statues on the easter Island are also mysterious megalithic structures, only they are much more recent, so unfortunately I had to keep them out of the article. Legends speak about tall red haired people that had earlobes so long that they could tie them behind their heads.  :-o

Uhm just one thing.
There are thousands of craters on other planets, moons, etc.
That means that there was an abundance of raw materials.... pyramids used a tiny fraction of that to be build if the theory is correct. What happened to the rest?

There were many advanced civilizations in all parts of the world, not just the Egyptians, they used large stones for the temples in Baalbek, Sacsayhuaman, and various other megalithic structures. I suspect, and I really wish I wasn't talking about this because I know how crazy this sounds, I'm not sure how I or why I got caught in all this, but they used these dome shaped machines that sat on the soil of the planets and then a a blade the size of the dome was activated and it cut off part of the soil, which then filled the dome. Upon arriving here on Earth they put the soil upside down, so that the flat surface extracted faced the surface of our planet, and the dome shaped subsoil became the upper part, forming mountains and islands. You can find these mountains near all these sites.

Thats going to far man....

I know, but I've had positive confirmations of this.

Check out the basalt mountains in Egypt, take a close look at the shape of the mountains in the back, Widan Al-Faras:

(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAABdKKu0GYoDyQl69SIqj6Pv-geLmyItDEtWTEgaEKPFX0lGYqzAw8T2bIt_Lk04opuuO7s9BdP9z4z2O1ott9QiAJtU9VDcA25jyCBRTM7uxxlp0RsBFmiu_Q.jpg)

Now check out Wadi Hammamat, what kind of place is this?
(http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAABN2wwGta19mpHfLLO5jbwjY6EWuCtqwvZfCSqZL6SSf5JyP6zgL5zwBAJxUuQARcmUKTpWlvYdTqnPvAlnVaQ9AJtU9VD3xI1ZLF1ywG1l_e0dEoB84I5EnQ.jpg)

I just watched a video about Egyptian pyramids. Most interesting. It is a lecture by an Egyptologist Stephen S. Mehler who, as a first, began to look into Egypt's  oral tradition that might be 65,000 years old. It claims that indeed there were extraterrestrials. The pyramids formed a grid line, and worked with sound resonance. There is more to it. You just have to watch it.

Land of Osiris Egypt Documentry
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5387825475001846186

This shorter video shows one such sound resonance space, where a person can hear the beat of his own heart

Amazing Secrets from Ancient Egypt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1112494491788668088


Here are some other videos on ancient civilizations and former dwellers of the Earth - but not in Egypt.

This is a video hosted by Charleston Heston

Mysterious origins of man
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4848668803639628771

This video discusses prehistoric Japanese underwater ruins.

Ancient Marvels Mysterious Pyramids
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7717364105182583322

And this video discusses the ancient cities in Iraq - the old Sumerian Cities and ruins

Legacy Origins of Civilization
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8213001278676327450

I don't know if anyone here knows it.
But the pyramids of Giza form orion's belt.
And inside the chambers of the Giza pyramids there are openings that look like airconditioning pipes.
However these openings just aim straightly at orions belt and sirius the way it was 2.500 something BC, according to a documentary i saw.
I do not believe human's are older than 5.000 - 10.000 BC.
The idea of Aliens is just ridiculous though.
Life is too hard to form, you need all the perfect conditions, and according to scientists, there are 3 planets where life can exist in our galaxy.
Earth, Gliese 531c and I forgot the other one.
It's nearly impossible to travel outside our galaxy, we're just too small, and so are other life forms.

The idea of aliens is just nearly impossible in our galaxy.
And I think it's a waste of time to "assume" so.
Yes it could be true, but the chances are that we were alone building the pyramids and making calendars.

Imagine if u were living in the ancient Sumer civilisation, what would you assume all those "stars" resemble?
Why are they there, they must be gods.

Humans are older than 10,000 years. It's civilisation thats in question.

"You'd expect some progressive development in a country. A car built in the 1920's is vastly different from a car built in todays times. In Egypt no such parallels can be made. It's all there right from the beginning." I liked that idea. 

Sharpe, why do you find the notion of aliens impossible. There are about 50 billion stars in this galaxy and an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. Each star representing it's own planetary solar system. That's 500,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems with potential life! I think the idea that there is no alien life is even more absurd than if there is, definitely more frightening.

Maybe there were no aliens but the statement that there's no other life in the galaxy is too egotistical. For the moment we should just assume that we have no 'concrete' evidence they do exist. People may argue this point, but to me when the species knows, we can say it is objective, not just a handful of individuals.

-AM

Life is like a fertalised egg in a female human being.
Only 1 out of millions of sperm get's "in".
So exaggerating with the ammount of solar systems doesn't mean anything.

The thing is that life could be on other galaxies, I did not deny that, but on the milky way there are like I said: 3 planets that could form life. Depending on the ammount of water on the planets, atmosphere and that they are inside the habitual zone for life.

And why mention other galaxies?
They are way too far away.

It's just ridiculous how people on this board talk about aliens as a "possibility".
We never saw them, we never heard them.

I'm open for the possibility that aliens are definitely there, but we never saw them nor heard them.
You should also be open for the possibility that they were never there, and they never existed.

So instead of blabbering about life on other planets, the smartest thing would be to wait untill we discover how life forms out of non-living matter.
Then, we can know if they exist or don't.

Sorry about the mistake on human existence/civilisation, I meant civilisation ofcourse.

Remember when Shoemaker-Levy hit Jupiter back in 1994. That was awesome.

http://www.midnightkite.com/sl9.html

You can't really take a stance on whether they exist or not with no evidence, for or against. That's my point.

-AM

Yeah exactly, that's my point aswell.

Quotethese dome shaped machines that sat on the soil of the planets and then a a blade the size of the dome was activated and it cut off part of the soil, which then filled the dome

have you ever seen the movie explorers? with ethan hawke as a kid (and river phoenix) anyway, their spherical force field took a big dome shaped chunk out of the earth.... 

That was a very very nice read
I'm glad you finished it

-Andrew

Hey, thanks for the videos and websites, they were great!

I specially enjoyed the excerpt from the Epic of Gilgamesh: Gilgamesh, what you seek you will never find, for when the Gods created man, they let death be his lot. Eternal life they withheld. Let your everyday be full of joy, love the child that holds your hand. Let your wife delight in your embrace, for these alone are the concerns of humanity.

I saw that movie volcomstone, I used to love it when I was young, I dreamed of creating some machine like that :}

Yes, I don't know exactly what process they used, but I know it has to do with God Harakhte.

God Harakhte is always depicted with the image of a red globe on his head. I believe that red globe to be planet Mars, and why is it on his head? Because that's where he is headed to.

Harakhte.  (http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAADSCRPQvf1nDhs7c-IlPuNkFz0exSOmCXA8dQ1j5iOU-d7jpn3jNvy-Ib1PDhyrTO8r-pAEHDTdofOj51PELRE3AJtU9VBp-zcyAJQzRdQgC-EMYXQPqbplOA.jpg)

Harakhte! Great god, lord of heaven, lord of earth, who cometh forth from the horizon. He illuminateth the Two Lands, the sun of darkness, as the great one, as Re.
                                                                    Horemheb
J. H. Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt, Part Three, § 3

Harakhte 2. (http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAACUtyTUQKoZJdpUrxuCWAdmD32SvkAaKh7E67nn4PGXPX2sOg6iZxiUHRr2htHXzYg7Qey5VX-GpGjyi15uk3AsAJtU9VDHw_EUo5ftf7c8ZiudZm43DVmA6A.jpg)

Let's take a look at the story. (http://images.orkut.com/orkut/albums/ATgAAAArAntdGJ57oBUroVAwo9c2BNNrAIl0xYla81P99f0ZmUTKExRYNsd6Lroe_wBVZ3aMxVWbqOYxSYWo887cFsDVAJtU9VBrq8e55HwxnrdvxP53Lg-onKQ-9A.jpg)

There's one figure that couldn't possibly be there, the last one of the first row. It shows a snake, and inside the snake is a very familiar place, it shows the African Continent in the center as it was more than 5.000 years ago, part of Europe, and a small part of South America, as seen from space. They depict planets inside snakes.

Take your own conclusions folks.

Thank you for reading FadeEsdrasX.

I haven't read the whole article yet-I'm in a library at the moment, & have limited computer time.

However, it's interesting that you mention Mars-

The Cydonia "city square", & surrounding formations are laid out exactly like the Pleiades (nearby star cluster).The "face" corresponds to the location of a certain star in relation to the pleiades at it was 17,500 years ago.

www.thehiddenrecords.com/mars.htm (http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/mars.htm)

I don't endorse the beliefs of the above link-I just thought the coincidence was interesting. :-)

Wow, that is extremely interesting, that guy is doing an excellent job. I had no idea about these things on the martian sphinx. I liked it when he spoke about the spherical hole on the forehead of the sphinx, wish there were more people talking about these 'impact craters', so that at least the interested public realizes that it's the biggest astronomical and geological lie ever told.

Check out this picture of Cydonia Mensae, take a look at the structure on the upper part of the left side, the perfect polygon:
Cydonia (http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dcydonia%2Bmensae%26sp%3D1%26fr2%3Dsp-top%26ei%3DUTF-8%26x%3Dwrt%26js%3D1%26ni%3D21%26ei%3DUTF-8%26SpellState%3Dn-2907533974_q-KYrZopOdfITsrk4XJK6r0gAAAA%40%40&w=2400&h=1969&imgurl=image59.webshots.com%2F59%2F8%2F31%2F1%2F2530831010045733434DfQmPU_fs.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Foutdoors.webshots.com%2Fphoto%2F2530831010045733434DfQmPU&size=992.8kB&name=2530831010045733434DfQmPU_fs.jpg&p=cydonia+mensae&type=jpeg&no=9&tt=109&oid=93fa8d430983f82c&ei=UTF-8&src=p)

Yes, resembles Merisee  :-P

Who thought this? Don't be afraid, I come in peace  :-) just want to know who sent that thought, I've never been a fan of Star Wars, so I had never heard of that, I think...

plausible

I think you could reveal more truth on this subject if you put some more context to this
if this was proven true, undeniable evidence. If it was just a matter of you presenting some evidence to someone to believe this.
What would that cause to happen?

Yes, I kinda rushed straight to the point when I could have made some more in-depth considerations. Only I didn't want to get too much into giants or other controversial races, I preferred to focus more on the tangible aspects, though there's plenty of evidence that supports the existence of giants in the past.

For instance, I learned a week ago about how they once tried to remove the Pedra Montada from there for whatever reasons (stupid), so they sent a crane and trucks to the hill, and even the people of the news service were there to witness, but they were not able to move the stone lol.

We have Archeological registers of only native Indians inhabiting this land for at most 12.000 years, then the first European colonizers arrived 500 years ago. If the Indians were somehow magically able to move huge stones, why were they living in shacks made of dry grass when the colonizers arrived? There's something very important that has been missed, it certainly weren't the Indians who moved those incredible stones.

The funny thing is that this what has been missed changes virtually everything about the past of our planet. Have they created everything? Why did the dinosaurs disappear, were they removed from the planet?

We need to keep in mind that we are small, all we have to do to realize this is to look at the dimensions of the Universe, so, to them, dinosaurs are like what geckos are to us.

I don't know what is going to happen, I personally don't think that whoever they were/are, they are coming back in 2012 or planning a mass destruction, that would be plain stupid, because if we look at this through the view of spirituality, we could be reincarnating here and there, living both as small humans and giants. We wouldn't even be able to tell the difference, because a giant is only a giant when compared to something much smaller, so among themselves on their own planet/dimension they are not giants at all.

The structures are there, and our current model cannot explain them, it doesn't even try to explain them, it totally ignores them, so it needs to be replaced by a model that is willing to face the reality and stops trying to push a false one.

Probably the most important thing is to raise the general awareness and to stir a discussion. There are so many people out there thinking that life is not worth living anymore, and they still have no idea how fantastic our world is, or how incredible it's story is. Life itself is incredible, and this chance is priceless, nothing can be more important than this.

Supposing physical occurances that may come back around, like the giants returning in 2012, could be of value. But theres an issue in thinking that direction in that physical manifestation, especially involving actions of 'other', is only controlled in small by an individual.

When I think of context for potentially crazy evidence, I think of it in terms of implications directly to me, then through me what I could present. So that I am not wasting energy focusing on uncontrollable variables.

Giants? Maybe. From Mars? maybe. Is there anything entirely in your control to present the evidences of this? No. So it's largely still up to the decisions of chaos, in an out of your context magickal way. So investing too much energy into such a thought direction would be inconsequential as you may just be falling into a recursive loop of thought, that within in it, provides you no direct means of control to get out of it. Although, there will be value to complete the loop of thought once, maybe twice, but recognize when you start to go in circles.

Personally, for me, if there was inarguable evidence that men of 2000 years ago were capable of incomprehensible physical construction feats, with no apparent evidence of fantastic technologies, no apparent evidence of physical ability to do so. I would suppose a relation to telekinesis. Which is exactly what I did when I read this thread.

Is such a direction of thought more sane than what you did? Not so much so, maybe even less sane. But the supposition of possibly a highly developed, natural, telekinesis ability of old civilizations provides a direction of thought that is immediately justifiable and potentially evidenced by your immediate felt experience. Something that, when you think about it, muster up the energy for it, it will not just set you back around in a recursive loop of thought expending all that energy you built up trying to comprehend evidence. But instead it will present a point, a single point forward, in which you must focus that energy built up to evidence your supposition. The energy would be focused in the direction of you developing a telekinetic ability. Sort of how in astral projection, you must believe with all your underlying unconscious that you can, it is the same process for all magickal process to a degree. You must fully and unconsciously believe in the possibility. But in the least, atleast the evidence to release you of this 'insanity' is still all within your control, which IMO, makes it entirely more sane. It's ok to go to greatest depths of insanity if you still have a directly controllable tether to pull you back.

Do I believe in telekinesis personally? I don't know. But it feels better to use the energy of your evidence to project into a single immediately controllable point, then have it keep pushing around in circles.

I have read theories of people supposing in the conscious shift of 2012, some people will develop a high level of natural telekinetic ability. I have read some channelers of 'future times' to come questioning on whether or not there may be a way to harness energy, electricity, or other, directly from human energy and they were quite pleased with my supposition of 2012 telekinetic ability paired with a telekinetic generator of electricity of some sort.

Crazy, I know. But at least the energy presented is used to push immediately forward.

Although, don't misunderstand, I'm not saying telekinetic supposition is the only way to use such energy presented to push forward immediately. But I do see your mind wandering in circles of unknown with no hopes of finding a grounds in the direction to go. I mean consider for a moment if they actually found a fossil skeleton of a giant, presented it on the news, everyone saw it, believed it. It completely rearranged the way people saw the progression of humanity, even made some great new suppositions on where to head research. Would that fix all the problems in the world you perceive? Altering perceptions of history will only do so much for the future. Telekinetic evidence however would fix more problems I believe. But don't misunderstand, I'm not saying start tK practice or believe it. I'm just presenting an example to say, aim all energy you gain through music, evidence, news, everything, towards a single thing that you can manifest completely of your own individuality.

Which you did in your first post which was good. But how will you be able to take that first post with you throughout everyday life to help shape the future?

Or maybe you do sense a potential grounds in that direction of thought?

dude... what are you on about?

anyways...

Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on October 10, 2007, 01:36:08
The structures are there, and our current model cannot explain them, it doesn't even try to explain them, it totally ignores them, so it needs to be replaced by a model that is willing to face the reality and stops trying to push a false one.

Quote from: rygoody on October 10, 2007, 08:43:36
Personally, for me, if there was inarguable evidence that men of 2000 years ago were capable of incomprehensible physical construction feats, with no apparent evidence of fantastic technologies, no apparent evidence of physical ability to do so. I would suppose a relation to telekinesis. Which is exactly what I did when I read this thread.

I fell into the same trap... we see these giant stones and think that its impossible that little men must have moved them and what not and then people go on to suppose things such as giants, telekinesis, high technology...

Im glad I found the real answer. Geopolymerization. The rocks were not quarried, carved then transported. They were made in the exact spot where they are by the process of geopolymerization. In short they were not quarried, transported and shaped rather they were set like concrete and moulded with primitive tools while still soft then left to cure (harden).

http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/giza_power_plant_meltdown.html

Geopolymerization explains all ancient masonry.

Yes, imagine someone of the future finds one of our concrete buildings and wonders how we moved them there in one piece, lol.

But here is an other interesting article about a hypothesis of a different gravity in the past.

It's about dinosaurs, giant plants and stuff like that.
Maybe your giants really existed in the past, but it's unlikely that they can come back.

Saturnian Cosmology (http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?t=468)

Part 1 - The Golden Mesozoic Age

Thesis: We propose that Earth was a satellite of Saturn, or more
correctly a body which the ancients identified as Ouranus and which we
shall refer to as proto-Saturn. The present day Saturn is all that
remains of the once larger primary which we orbited as the closest and
innermost satellite



The most obvious characteristic of Mesozoic flora and fauna was the
upper limit of size. Pangaea's forests contained giant lycopods,
horsetails and pteridophytes, trees over 100m in height. Today the
survivors of these primitive groups are mostly small plants; the
tallest fern is only 20m high, and height is only achieved by the
conifers and flowering plant trees with specially strengthened trunks
and good root systems[26]. The dinosaurs produced the largest
terrestrial animals the world has ever known. Some weighed more than
80 tonnes, as much as 20 large elephants, but old views that they were
slow, clumsy animals have been superseded by evidence that they were
fast, active and probably warm-blooded[27],[28]. The weight which a
column can support varies as the cube of its linear dimensions[29] and
therefore the heavier the animal, the proportionally shorter and
thicker the limb bones. The dimensions of an elephant's limb bones are
approaching the maximum limits of size which physical forces permit
and are already tending towards disproportionate thickness[30]. Yet
dinosaurs were of such a degree of magnitude heavier, that the larger
herbivorous sauropods were traditionally thought of as wallowing
permanently in swamps to take the weight off their feet[31][32].
However, there is evidence that they were completely terrestrial[33]
and the large, bipedal carnosaurs, such as Tyrannosaurus, were
manifestly built for running with hind limbs more slender in
proportion to their bulk than those of an elephant. If gravity were
less, then animals could be larger and still be active with relatively
more slender limbs than an elephant[34]. The Pterosaurs, or flying
reptiles, are another case in point. Fossil specimens with wing spans
up to 8m were once regarded to be at the limit of size for any
airborne creature, even given that their bone structure was even
lighter and stronger size for size than modern birds. Then
Quetzalcoatlus specimens were found with wing spans up to 15.5m and
pronounced at beyond the engineering limits for a living flying
machine[35]. Recent considerations of the circulatory systems of the
larger dinosaurs suggest that the normal heart/lung construction would
be insufficient to keep the brain supplied with oxygenated blood[36].
The problem of explaining away the apparent defiance of physical laws
by so many of the Mesozoic plants and animals is solved easily by an
assumption of lowered gravity. Is it just coincidence that such forms
of life should be abundant at the very period when all the continental
areas were grouped into one land mass ?

You made some good points rygoody, I'm open to all possibilities that can be proven somehow. It was interesting what you said about directing the energy to something that is under my control, I think it all leads back to ourselves and what we're doing here on Earth. It's hard to say how it will affect the future, but it certainly gave me a better sense of appreciation, and many of my past experiences started making sense, like this was the missing piece of my puzzle. On the other hand I recognize the loop you talk about, and I'm more at ease about it now as I understand that whatever happened is in the past, and I need to go on from here the best way that I can.

Mez, to make such an statement you need to verify the mineral composition of all the megaliths.

I must point out that Egyptologists don't agree with Davidovits when he says that the stones of the pyramids were man-made. Anyways, to produce a geopolymer in order to build megaliths you need a good supply of silica. In Egypt, on the casing stones of the Cheops and Teti pyramids they have found considerable amounts of Opal-CT, which is a by-product of amorphous silica, mixed with limestone. Now here's the problem, amorphous silica is not commonly found in good quantities on the surface of our planet, and it wasn't found on the Egyptian quarries.

Where did the Egyptians get that substance to make their cement? It's a mystery.

Though the natives have a beautiful culture, there's no evidence to support the idea that they were producing cement, neither thousands of years ago nor today. If this was the case one would expect to find at least workmanship made of cement, pavements and the like. It's very unlikely that the temples of Sacsayhuaman, Tiahuanaco, Baalbek,  the megaliths at Nabta and Stonehenge were made by the pouring of a geopolymer, as their quarry sites have all been identified. Also, you cannot use cement to build high structures without the use of internal rods of sustentation, and these were never found.

Are humans the tallest beings in the Universe?

http://www.geocities.com/saqatchr/page45.html
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/GiantsInHistory.html
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Lagoon/1345/giants.html
http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/2003/Summer/Giants/
http://www.pureinsight.org/pi/index.php?news=3891

The False Front: http://www.skybooksusa.com/time-travel/experime/thefalse.htm

Temporal anomalies are scattered throughout the world -- things that could not possibly belong to the time period in which they were found.  Evidence exists of human civilization, artifacts and technology out of time that are abundant, well researched and well documented.

This forbidden knowledge is being protected and hidden from all of us.  Today's popular view of modern human presence in the distant past is a false front.  The real truth is out there showing proof of advanced technology and people millions of years before humanity is stated to have evolved on the planet.

Why has the scientific establishment and government suppressed and ignored these remarkable finds?  Where did they come from?  How did they get there?  Why are we suppressing this suggestive proof of modern time travelers visiting our past?

As you study the forbidden knowledge on these pages a whole new truth will emerge and become apparent to you... the truth that the earth was visited or inhabited by modern humans using advanced technology long before the appearance of the first humans as the history books write today.

Quote from: Bird on October 11, 2007, 03:36:33
Yes, imagine someone of the future finds one of our concrete buildings and wonders how we moved them there in one piece, lol.

Concrete buildings are not natural mineral accretions.

Thanks for the link.

Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on October 11, 2007, 14:13:17
Mez, to make such an statement you need to verify the mineral composition of all the megaliths.

I must point out that Egyptologists don't agree with Davidovits when he says that the stones of the pyramids were man-made. Anyways, to produce a geopolymer in order to build megaliths you need a good supply of silica. In Egypt, on the casing stones of the Cheops and Teti pyramids they have found considerable amounts of Opal-CT, which is a by-product of amorphous silica, mixed with limestone. Now here's the problem, amorphous silica is not commonly found in good quantities on the surface of our planet, and it wasn't found on the Egyptian quarries.

Where did the Egyptians get that substance to make their cement? It's a mystery.

I must point out that Egyptoligists also dont agree with theories of giants or high technology. Did you read the entire page from that link? Its long, I know but it does explain everything in detail. I (and margeret morris agree) that you do indeed need to do a chemical analysis of the stones in question to verify 100% that they are indeed geopolymers. I am aware of the silica issue but that doesnt rule out the use of geopolymerization.

Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on October 11, 2007, 14:13:17
Though the natives have a beautiful culture, there's no evidence to support the idea that they were producing cement, neither thousands of years ago nor today. If this was the case one would expect to find at least workmanship made of cement, pavements and the like. It's very unlikely that the temples of Sacsayhuaman, Tiahuanaco, Baalbek,  the megaliths at Nabta and Stonehenge were made by the pouring of a geopolymer, as their quarry sites have all been identified. Also, you cannot use cement to build high structures without the use of internal rods of sustentation, and these were never found.

Theres no evidence of high technology either. Infact there is more evidence that geopolymerization was used. It was not neccessary for the geopolymers to have been poured into moulds infact it was very impractical and unlikely. However evidence such as cuts bearing traces of copper in stones harder than copper have been found in several places... how did they cut a stone harder than their instrument? It was softer than their instrument at the time they were cutting it. Indeed even if they WERE giants its still impossible for them to cut granite with copper (unless of course it was soft at the time suggesting geopolymerization. Secondly if they had high technology they would not be using copper instruments. You reckon they would have made pavements? *shrugs* maybe that just wasnt their style... Also look at how closely the pyramid stones are placed within 1/500th - 1/800th of an inch... conventionally we cant explain how they did it... suppose geopolymerization were used the stone would have been soft enough to mould to the contours of its surrounding stones giving such a tight fit. Actually machining a stone to that precision and trying to fit it into place like that would be a very difficult waste of time, this theory supposes they had high technology which none has been found. As for the quarry sites... all questions need an answer real or imagined so they HAD to find a quarry site to support their theories... who knows? Good point though but it doesnt rule out geopolymerization.

As for the megaliths... a chemical analysis must be done! I wish one was because I really want to know once and for all. However On that page I linked to I read that on a particular megalith there was something carved (dont remember the details) and close inspection revealed that surrounding particles of the rock had been pushed out of the way rather than chiseled out which would have damaged the stone... no evidence was present to suggest chiseling of hard stone. This leads to the conclusion that the stone was infact soft when the carving was made suggesting geopolymerization.

You and I arent experts on the subject... but if you look at the arguments supporting geopolymerization in full (http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/giza_power_plant_meltdown.html) they are very compelling and very logical. Seriously this is the most plausable explanation for a LOT of things! What good will it do you to discard it in favor of other theories without considering it?

I do beleive giants did exist, I wish that historians would acknowledge it! Michael Tsarion has a lot of interesting things to say on atlantis, aliens, giants and high technology. I am undecided on the actual history of the world/universe but I do take everything into consideration (except young earth creationism... LOL).

The false front fascinates me i've seen it before and it is certainly remarkable. Whats amazing is that the finds are numerous.

Quote from: Mez on October 11, 2007, 17:38:08
I must point out that Egyptoligists also dont agree with theories of giants or high technology. Did you read the entire page from that link? Its long, I know but it does explain everything in detail. I (and margeret morris agree) that you do indeed need to do a chemical analysis of the stones in question to verify 100% that they are indeed geopolymers. I am aware of the silica issue but that doesnt rule out the use of geopolymerization.

I definitely don't rule out geopolymerization, I believe Davidovits is right, but there are many implications to that. For instance, where did that knowledge come from? How did these people from ancient times decided to mix substances and build the most incredible and complex structure the world has ever seen? With styles of drawing, script, architecture and social organization of no precedent?

Yes, I read the whole thing, they are talking specifically about Egypt. It wouldn't be sensible to say that the same applies to all megaliths around the world, for they are clearly of different natures, styles, time periods, and unlike in Egypt, most of the civilizations that built the other megaliths remain unidentified.

Quote from: Mez on October 11, 2007, 17:38:08
Theres no evidence of high technology either. Infact there is more evidence that geopolymerization was used. It was not neccessary for the geopolymers to have been poured into moulds infact it was very impractical and unlikely. However evidence such as cuts bearing traces of copper in stones harder than copper have been found in several places... how did they cut a stone harder than their instrument? It was softer than their instrument at the time they were cutting it. Indeed even if they WERE giants its still impossible for them to cut granite with copper (unless of course it was soft at the time suggesting geopolymerization. Secondly if they had high technology they would not be using copper instruments. You reckon they would have made pavements? *shrugs* maybe that just wasnt their style... Also look at how closely the pyramid stones are placed within 1/500th - 1/800th of an inch... conventionally we cant explain how they did it... suppose geopolymerization were used the stone would have been soft enough to mould to the contours of its surrounding stones giving such a tight fit. Actually machining a stone to that precision and trying to fit it into place like that would be a very difficult waste of time, this theory supposes they had high technology which none has been found. As for the quarry sites... all questions need an answer real or imagined so they HAD to find a quarry site to support their theories... who knows? Good point though but it doesnt rule out geopolymerization.

Speaking exclusively about Egypt, it is possible that they used both geopolymers and high technology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzh_04peCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSoH7YANptM

They have found these depictions showing how they illuminated the pyramids from the inside using artificial light.

Ancient Egyptian Lightbulb: http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chaptera/

Excerpt: If people were misled, it is their own fault for being naive enough to expect the truth from Government and Politicians that have steadily increased their ability to lie to the people since 1861.

Quote from: Mez on October 11, 2007, 17:38:08
As for the megaliths... a chemical analysis must be done! I wish one was because I really want to know once and for all. However On that page I linked to I read that on a particular megalith there was something carved (dont remember the details) and close inspection revealed that surrounding particles of the rock had been pushed out of the way rather than chiseled out which would have damaged the stone... no evidence was present to suggest chiseling of hard stone. This leads to the conclusion that the stone was infact soft when the carving was made suggesting geopolymerization.

You and I arent experts on the subject... but if you look at the arguments supporting geopolymerization in full (http://www.margaretmorrisbooks.com/giza_power_plant_meltdown.html) they are very compelling and very logical. Seriously this is the most plausable explanation for a LOT of things! What good will it do you to discard it in favor of other theories without considering it?

Indeed, I very much like the geopolymer idea, I don't understand why you think that I don't. If I didn't I wouldn't have quoted Davidovits on the article.

Quote from: Mez on October 11, 2007, 17:38:08
I do beleive giants did exist, I wish that historians would acknowledge it! Michael Tsarion has a lot of interesting things to say on atlantis, aliens, giants and high technology. I am undecided on the actual history of the world/universe but I do take everything into consideration (except young earth creationism... LOL).

The false front fascinates me i've seen it before and it is certainly remarkable. Whats amazing is that the finds are numerous.

Thanks for your contributions, I will look for Michael Tsarion. I'd like to recommend the The Greek Apocalypse of Baruch, it's easy to find on the web, I found it so amazing and absurd that it must be true!  :-D