The Inter-Dimensional Entities Behind the Dark Agenda That’s Taking Over the Wor

[Stillwater]

But it also seems to me that he wants to make the usual 'evolutionist' statement because he also overlooks that there was a time before WW1 and 2 and some periods were (in some areas and/or world-wide) even more peaceful. I remember reading about a very peaceful area in Europe  a while ago but forgot what exactly it referred to. I also remember reading a book about a prehistoric time where archeologists found no traces of violence at all in Europe over centuries (!!) with tribes that made a lot of pottery but most is not known about them today, there was almost no conflict. And then of course we have myths and legends about a "Golden Age" maybe eons ago. It's just that this evoluitionist thinking is so flawed imv. There is some achievements, yes, compared to some times when people were even more trigger-happy it seemed. But it is not linear.

For sure. If we are less violent now, I do not think it is owing to our greater human development, so much as circumstance.

I think you might mean the "Pax Romana", where the Romans weren't at war for 200 full years. The Egyptians also enjoyed many centuries of peace because of their isolation, which is one reason they might have become so advanced at mathematics.

Plus, there are so many wars, mass murder and slaughtery all over the world which we do not even find out about because it is NOT covered, e.g. in the "3rd World", maybe it was alwyas this way, but someone who says that we live in more peaceful times because of some manipulative body-counts might still be very wrong (and cynical...).

Oh yes, there are plenty of these. We all hear about Sudan, but almost no one hears of what happened in places like East Timor. No economic interest in it. Chomsky says a lot on that subject.

The nuclear stalemate of post-WW2 might have played a part that we have no WW3 (so far?) and thus the giant overkill - but that does not mean that people and societies are 'less violent' in their behaviour or mentality.

It is a terrible thought, but what followed after WW2 was so horrific in some arenas that the world may have been a better place had the Nazis actually won. The Germans were about ready to cast off the Third Reich around the time of their defeat at the hands of the Russians, and had they done so in the case of a German victory as well, as I expect they would have in a matter of years, the way the pieces sat on that chessboard may have been more fortunate than what we actually had. The cleansing that even the Germans had a taste for was probably far less than what the likes of Mao could stomach, and the US-German Cold War would probably have been a bit less intense. Hitler's plans were just not feasible on the scale he pictured them, and I think that alone might have allowed better heads to prevail.

[powessy]

Not to mention... what is the point of this world being here... if it is just going to end up in the 5th dimension with eveything else up there...

The 5th dimension has gotta' be crowded- word on the street is earth is the true hipster place to be right now.

This concept of ascension I think has gotten a little over exposed and diagnosed by to many people. I have read of dimensions all the way up to 17 or more. There is only five dimensions and the fifth is not where we are heading before we meet death. Death is the only way you will achieve the fifth dimension for it is there where your soul rests. Now about ascension, it is not about moving to a higher level of physical existence but the higher connectedness to the higher self and consciousness through awareness.  The reason for the deception from behind the veil is not to corrupt and take over man, they realy could care less about most of the human race, they only seek deception and games played out for power from a few. I can see words form in my third eye as thoughts form in my head, they are always around us talking and telling you things as suggestion/inception. Our morals and beliefs normally act as barriers to this but weakness and fear breaks down these barriers within the higher self. Earth is becoming a hell hole, it is slowly dieing and will die sooner then we can ever imagined and love is not going to save it with the number of people that currently inhabiting it. The masses are completely unaware of the love you are sending and you do not have the ability to sit down and show everyone of them how to love your way. When I met my wife twenty five years ago she had never been told her whole life these simple three words " I LOVE YOU" and I hear of this same problem coming from others. Today she freely expresses her love to me and her children but this is all.  Anyway just a thought or two from another perspective. 

[Stillwater]

There is only five dimensions and the fifth is not where we are heading before we meet death.

I sort of think the "dimensional hierarchy" idea was conceived and propagated by ascensionists as you say though... and is more or less predicated on the idea that, "By golly, 4 dimensions are better than 3, and if you thought 4 was good, wait till you see 5" 

The actual reality is likely pretty difficult to express with the language and schemes we have.

[Xanth]

If the Earth dies, it dies.  Whatever happens, happens.  In the grand scheme of things, what reality you're experiencing has very little meaning.  The fact that you experience and grow is all that matters.

There is no sinister plot regarding the downfall of the Earth and humanity here beyond simple greed.  People have forsaken Love for an extra buck in their pocket.  That's not to say there isn't an abundance of Love here, I just don't believe it's in the majority.  Nor does that even really matter.

You only have the power to spiritually grow yourself.  You can, however, provide bread crumbs to other consciousnesses... but they have to follow them of their own free will.

[powessy]

I sort of think the "dimensional hierarchy" idea was conceived and propagated by ascensionists as you say though... and is more or less predicated on the idea that, "By golly, 4 dimensions are better than 3, and if you thought 4 was good, wait till you see 5" 

The actual reality is likely pretty difficult to express with the language and schemes we have.

When my wife was pregnant with our twin daughters we were sent to a specialist for this type delivery. The ultra sound procedure comes in levels all different depending on the doctor reading the results. The doctor told us they were considering adding a new level to insure the level of the test. All I see with this is greed for all the machines are the same, they are just read by people claiming to have more experience. We all want the best when it comes to our own and will pay for it.   This premise is also seen in this area of ascension, I believe,  as each group wants to be just a little better then the other.  I try and throw out all that stuff and seek inner solutions and questions and will await this answer from my higher self as he continues to teach me.

[powessy]

If the Earth dies, it dies.  Whatever happens, happens.  In the grand scheme of things, what reality you're experiencing has very little meaning.  The fact that you experience and grow is all that matters.

There is no sinister plot regarding the downfall of the Earth and humanity here beyond simple greed.  People have forsaken Love for an extra buck in their pocket.  That's not to say there isn't an abundance of Love here, I just don't believe it's in the majority.  Nor does that even really matter.

You only have the power to spiritually grow yourself.  You can, however, provide bread crumbs to other consciousnesses... but they have to follow them of their own free will.

hello Xanth

I would rather save earth and see all humanity die, why should all species die due to our arrogance and greed. There are millions of species that call this home how are they less important then us. Is it not in our nature to learn to develop and advance through experience, how is this working so far. You speak about love and all this but should I not want all humanity to grow isn't this what matters. Greed is most of the problem but you are wrong to believe their are not other things at work behind the curtains. I could care less for money and can survive just fine with out it, I believe if society stopped putting an emphasis on money you would see allot of people take time to gather and start to awaken to a whole new light. I agree with the rest of what you say as far as spirituality and showing the path only when one is open to the idea of their own free will.

I try and think analytically by asking questions then searching for the results. I look at all results not just the ones I want to hear, then I filter all of these results to see what parts are common in the group I am researching. For example obes  I have read hundreds and hundreds of examples and experiences around the internet. I then take my own personal experiences and find the similarities with them and then search for those that are not similar. Now out of all these examples I find all most all of them feel a presence in the room during the experience. More experienced obers like me who travel and can freely move about the veil all see the same things, the dark ones, I can provide testimonials. The thing is it realy doesn't matter if you do not obe and have not any experience in this arena then you really have nothing to worry about for it is not you they are worried about.     

[EscapeVelocity]

The simple answer is ' don't be so self-important'.

Moving 'about the veil'? Avoiding the 'dark ones'...? Seriously? You should just throw up a Proper Banishing Ritual and be done with it or log off permanently from sites like this. Or grow up...we really are, in a sense, running short on time...if your true experience is solely with the dark ones, then I'm sorry...you are truly in the ghetto... Let us know when you work out of there.

[Xanth]

hello Xanth

I would rather save earth and see all humanity die, why should all species die due to our arrogance and greed.

This is what most people don't really know, understand or even want to begin to accept... most people are too stuck on this "physical" thing.  Their thinking is ENTIRELY biased towards this concept that this physical reality is important.

I've learned that in regards to our spiritual growth there's nothing about this physical reality that matters at all... it's all virtual anyway.  This reality matters as much as what you do in any video game you play.  The only thing that matters are the "not-physical" aspects, such as our interactions with other consciousnesses (this includes all animals, too, btw).

If I was forced to put a definition towards why we're (when I say "we" I mean ALL conscious beings) experiencing this physical reality it would be to purify your Intent towards that of Love.

There are millions of species that call this home how are they less important then us.

You see things in a hierarchical way: "this" is more important than "that".
I see everything as one big whole.  We're all consciousness.  Everything is consciousness. 
It's like looking at the ocean and thinking the waves are somehow different and separate from the water.

Is it not in our nature to learn to develop and advance through experience, how is this working so far.

You're right, it's not in OUR nature.  It's in *YOUR* nature to learn to develop and advance through experience.  <-- when you figure out the difference here, let me know. 

As for your second paragraph, I'm kind of with EV on this.  *INTENT* is everything, and your Intent is screaming something very specific.

[powessy]

The simple answer is ' don't be so self-important'.

Moving 'about the veil'? Avoiding the 'dark ones'...? Seriously? You should just throw up a Proper Banishing Ritual and be done with it or log off permanently from sites like this. Or grow up...we really are, in a sense, running short on time...if your true experience is solely with the dark ones, then I'm sorry...you are truly in the ghetto... Let us know when you work out of there.

Really a banishing ritual who is dreaming now, does that really work. I am not avoiding nothing in fact just the opposite. If there's nothing to worry about then what time are we running out of, where we going. maybe xanth is right this is just an illusion, nothing matters, just some virtual reality game, which I assure you this is not correct. Instructions = place head in sand and deny all things that you do not understand, then poof you will end game, experience over, please try again. Not all my obes have been around dark ones I have been to many places and have been taught many things in search for balance. isn't this site and all the others like it, created to bring people to gather to discus things of this nature to build and grow spiritually, I think this purpose has been forgotten here.

     

[Stillwater]

If I was forced to put a definition towards why we're (when I say "we" I mean ALL conscious beings) experiencing this physical reality it would be to purify your Intent towards that of Love.

Possibly, but that also raises a line of questions of its own, such as:

-If our higher existences have always existed, why don't they know all there is to know about love by now?
-If our higher existences have not always existed, when were they created, and from what?
-What are the insects of the world (read- the majority of all animal life) learning about love?
-Why are only higher animals in general (it looks like reptiles, or maybe fish at best) equipped to understand and express love, when there are so few of them?

Love seems like something mostly birds and mammals do here.

If we don't know all about it by now... we must be very young... and why would we be so young, if the world is so timeless?

Honestly... I haven't the slightest clue what this world is exactly for, lol. As I mentioned earlier, my best guess is experience through role playing; Tom Campbell suggests something somewhat similar in saying we are here to "experience life with limits, and the situations that creates" [paraphrasing from memory], but who really knows... at least I haven't heard a definitive argument yet.

The physical world we are sharing here might actually have dozens of separate reasons for being, even...

Picture the internet... why does it exist? Well, not for one reason, but for thousands. It exists to send emails. It exists to check stock reports. It exists for cats. It exists for pornography. It exists for news. It exists for disinformation. It exists for games. It exists for learning. It exists for absurdity. It exists for social connectivity. It exists for social control and surveilance. It exists for spammers. It exists for teachers.

Our world might be like the internet... every single being might be here to do something completely different and valid...

[Xanth]

Possibly, but that also raises a line of questions of its own, such as:

-If our higher existences have always existed, why don't they know all there is to know about love by now?
-If our higher existences have not always existed, when were they created, and from what?
-What are the insects of the world (read- the majority of all animal life) learning about love?
-Why are only higher animals in general (it looks like reptiles, or maybe fish at best) equipped to understand and express love, when there are so few of them?

Love seems like something mostly birds and mammals do here.

I have pondered these questions as well.  I haven't found a sufficient answer yet. 

If we don't know all about it by now... we must be very young... and why would we be so young, if the world is so timeless?

Some would say this reality is for "higher learning".
Others might say it's more akin to kindergarten. 

Picture the internet... why does it exist? Well, not for one reason, but for thousands. It exists to send emails. It exists to check stock reports. It exists for cats. It exists for pornography. It exists for news. It exists for disinformation. It exists for games. It exists for learning. It exists for absurdity. It exists for social connectivity. It exists for social control and surveilance. It exists for spammers. It exists for teachers.

Our world might be like the internet... every single being might be here to do something completely different and valid...

Each of those thousand reasons all have one thing in common:  The Intent behind them. 
What's the Intent behind your action of doing each of those?  They're all tools you can use to assist in purifying your Intent. 
Interactions with other consciousnesses doesn't have to be consciousness to consciousness, it can be as simple as posting on a message board.  hehe

The action itself is meaningless, but the Intent behind the action is what's important.

[Stillwater]

The action itself is meaningless, but the Intent behind the action is what's important.

True enough. That is what Cervantes wrote the first novel ever (Don Quixote) to say, in around 1000 pages, lol...

[powessy]

Possibly, but that also raises a line of questions of its own, such as:

-If our higher existences have always existed, why don't they know all there is to know about love by now?
-If our higher existences have not always existed, when were they created, and from what?
-What are the insects of the world (read- the majority of all animal life) learning about love?
-Why are only higher animals in general (it looks like reptiles, or maybe fish at best) equipped to understand and express love, when there are so few of them?

Love seems like something mostly birds and mammals do here.

If we don't know all about it by now... we must be very young... and why would we be so young, if the world is so timeless?

Honestly... I haven't the slightest clue what this world is exactly for, lol. As I mentioned earlier, my best guess is experience through role playing; Tom Campbell suggests something somewhat similar in saying we are here to "experience life with limits, and the situations that creates" [paraphrasing from memory], but who really knows... at least I haven't heard a definitive argument yet.

The physical world we are sharing here might actually have dozens of separate reasons for being, even...

Picture the internet... why does it exist? Well, not for one reason, but for thousands. It exists to send emails. It exists to check stock reports. It exists for cats. It exists for pornography. It exists for news. It exists for disinformation. It exists for games. It exists for learning. It exists for absurdity. It exists for social connectivity. It exists for social control and surveilance. It exists for spammers. It exists for teachers.

Our world might be like the internet... every single being might be here to do something completely different and valid...

I like what you have to say here, you have not created a defined wall around the many possibilities. Animals and insects harmonize with nature and there surroundings never taking more then they can consume, humanity is like a great big sponge sucking up all in it's wake. If love is the purpose for our existence then where did the message get lost? Even with 7 billion people on earth we are a mere speck compared to the vastness of other life that exists on this planet. Animals learned a long time ago and it is also in there genetics as it is in ours the strong must survive, only the best breeders will sow their seeds, Love has little significance when it is survival that rules.      

[Xanth]

I like what you have to say here, you have not created a defined wall around the many possibilities. Animals and insects harmonize with nature and there surroundings never taking more then they can consume, humanity is like a great big sponge sucking up all in it's wake. If love is the purpose for our existence then where did the message get lost? Even with 7 billion people on earth we are a mere speck compared to the vastness of other life that exists on this planet. Animals learned a long time ago and it is also in there genetics as it is in ours the strong must survive, only the best breeders will sow their seeds, Love has little significance when it is survival that rules.

The second Eve at the apple?  Perhaps it was when money came to be?  Who knows really.  LOL  (the first one is really a joke... I'm not religious in the slightest hehe )

Remember, "strong" can mean many things.  It doesn't necessarily equate to physical strength. 
Intellect... Wisdom... Love... Morals... Ethics... even Spirituality (probably mixed with those last two) are all strengths.

A group of individuals who work towards the betterment of each other (a Love-based group), for example, have a much better chance of survival than a group of individuals who are only interested in saving themselves (one on one).  Make sense?

[powessy]

This is what most people don't really know, understand or even want to begin to accept... most people are too stuck on this "physical" thing.  Their thinking is ENTIRELY biased towards this concept that this physical reality is important.

If there is no importance to this then what is the purpose of it then, why would we waste so much effort when we don't need to. Why are only some of us aware and others not, some kind of glitch in the matrix. I am already very aware of my higher physical self and know my reason for this experience as it becomes more and more clear.    

I've learned that in regards to our spiritual growth there's nothing about this physical reality that matters at all... it's all virtual anyway.  This reality matters as much as what you do in any video game you play.  The only thing that matters are the "not-physical" aspects, such as our interactions with other consciousnesses (this includes all animals, too, btw).

If nothing matters and this has no barring on our spiritual growth then again why would we choose this, what would make me want to spend a life time here doing this. If my soul and higher consciousness is evolved at all it would not choose to live like this I assure you. With billions of possible planets in the universe what makes earth so special for learning nothing. Did I ever not include all life including animals as part of consciousness.

If I was forced to put a definition towards why we're (when I say "we" I mean ALL conscious beings) experiencing this physical reality it would be to purify your Intent towards that of Love.
You see things in a hierarchical way: "this" is more important than "that".
I see everything as one big whole.  We're all consciousness.  Everything is consciousness. 
It's like looking at the ocean and thinking the waves are somehow different and separate from the water.
You're right, it's not in OUR nature.  It's in *YOUR* nature to learn to develop and advance through experience.  <-- when you figure out the difference here, let me know. 

If we are love beyond all of this then why the continued lessons. I see no hierarchy between us our any other living organism, I am still unsure how, what I said has lead you to this conclusion.  

As for your second paragraph, I'm kind of with EV on this.  *INTENT* is everything, and your Intent is screaming something very specific.

intent, I have no intent only observation and the search for answers to a puzzle that is being shown me. I didn't want to wake up, I was already aware of all the problems of the world and the fact we are not alone. If it wasn't for the connection between me and my higher physical self I would not be here typing this now.

[Xanth]

I didn't expect you to understand.

Anyway, re-read my posts above.  PM me later if you have any questions.

[CFTraveler]

I think many confuse 'fundamental reality' with purpose- the fundamental reality behind existence is said to be love, not our purpose.  Our purpose is meaningless, because our material existence begins and ends within time, and we are outside of time.  So our purpose is what we decide to do when we come here.  Love is what everything 'is' at the core, and this is the only thing that may be real, if reality is what you're looking for.

[Astralzombie]

Powessy, your description of this so called fifth dimension sounds alarms bell. I have only heard of the the Cassiopean cult say that the so called fifth dimension is where those who have died go. All the other cults just say the fifth is better than the fourth and so on and so on. So if your involved with those people, I assume the "dark ones" you refer to are the   reptilian people.

If you are, you should do your self favor and leave those loons.

[Xanth]

I think many confuse 'fundamental reality' with purpose- the fundamental reality behind existence is said to be love, not our purpose.  Our purpose is meaningless, because our material existence begins and ends within time, and we are outside of time.  So our purpose is what we decide to do when we come here.  Love is what everything 'is' at the core, and this is the only thing that may be real, if reality is what you're looking for.

I can dig that. 

[Condiments]

Possibly, but that also raises a line of questions of its own, such as:

-If our higher existences have always existed, why don't they know all there is to know about love by now?
-If our higher existences have not always existed, when were they created, and from what?
-What are the insects of the world (read- the majority of all animal life) learning about love?
-Why are only higher animals in general (it looks like reptiles, or maybe fish at best) equipped to understand and express love, when there are so few of them?

Love seems like something mostly birds and mammals do here.

If we don't know all about it by now... we must be very young... and why would we be so young, if the world is so timeless?

I think this may be the wrong approach here. To assume an individual is young or old is a fundamentally useless question if we are to consider ourselves "timeless" beings without beginning or end. Such distinction may merely be an expression of our time borne existence and its overall relatedness to non-physical systems may be subject to question.

But the question remains, why are we here, and why does there not appear to be a uniform purpose to our universal existence? Is knowledge of the world and its purpose, in an intellectual sense, something the monkey brain of man can comprehend? The more I live the more skeptical I become of such an idea. I haven't had an out of body experience, but having read your accounts, if you accept the REALITY at face value of what you guys are stating despite all our advances in technology we are so off the mark its not even funny. It may even have done some harm, considering the growing collective resignation that there is no life beyond the body or any larger system beyond this one. There have been benefits for sure, given we're even having this conversation over such a distance is a miracle, but we seem to be becoming even more dissociated from the true "wider reality" than ever before.

So if we aren't suppose to understand the grand scheme of things in some intellectual sense, what is the point? My feeling that this reality/cosmos was grown like a vat to be used as an experiential model to further develop this wider conscious system. I like the quote, "An animal organism, which has its history in time, gradually becomes the vehicle of an eternally complete consciousness, which in itself can have no history, but a history of the process by which the animal organism becomes its vehicle." It is through these complex organisms like insects and animals that this consciousness becomes further defined through these models. So in some sense, throughout the process of evolution, which in itself is a fulfillment of potentiality within organized expression(laws of physics), this eternally complete consciousness is capable of defining/experiencing itself within these virtual systems. We're essentially nodes of information, meta consciousness, developed through the complex experience interface of the physical human body. I like the metaphor that earth is preschool, because through this physical body we become more able to explore and experience the wider reality through developing our experiential faculties. This "higher self" that many of you experience may indeed be supra-consciousness systems you're tapping into, vast arrays of knowledge that are not bound to time and space with the intent of further defining itself.

Perhaps this is why many religious traditions throughout time have warned about getting to attached to this material reality. To be the watcher of our experiences, our emotions and our thoughts for they serve merely a means rather than an end to our life here. We have to let go of our grip of reality to get in tune with our true purpose on this plane of existence.

So with this in mind insects, animals, and humans are merely energy systems/consciousness or whatever you wanna call it using physical vehicles to further define themselves within boundless ocean of itself.

Course this could all be hogwash, I merely thought this up walking my dog after reading this topic. Not I haven't projected yet so I can't know for sure.

[powessy]

Powessy, your description of this so called fifth dimension sounds alarms bell. I have only heard of the the Cassiopean cult say that the so called fifth dimension is where those who have died go. All the other cults just say the fifth is better than the fourth and so on and so on. So if your involved with those people, I assume the "dark ones" you refer to are the   reptilian people.

If you are, you should do your self favor and leave those loons.

Astralzombie this comment almost made me laugh, Really. I am not part of any group nor do I associate myself with anyone, now or ever. this site definitely has the birds of a feather thing going for it. I didn't even know any of this stuff seven months ago this information came from images shown to me. You really don't get it do you, and I really don't care what you think or your theory's. My process started when I was 13 and has evolved over the last 30 years. I have been a loner and have always looked inward for answers not caring what everyone else was going through or thought. 7 months ago I was told a story one from my soul as I learned his name, I have been looking ever since for answers to this story. I intend to keep diving down the rabbit hole till all is reveled.  Before 7 months ago I had never read even one article regarding this awakening thing. When I read about reptilians I had the same reaction to this as you are to what I am saying, and I am still not sure what to make of it, but one thing is for sure I did not ridicule them for believing this.

The fifth dimension could be better could be worse but time is not a factor there. We live in the forth and this is as far dimensionally we will go until death.      

[Xanth]

Astralzombie this comment almost made me laugh, Really. I am not part of any group nor do I associate myself with anyone, now or ever. this site definitely has the birds of a feather thing going for it. I didn't even know any of this stuff seven months ago this information came from images shown to me. You really don't get it do you, and I really don't care what you think or your theory's. My process started when I was 13 and has evolved over the last 30 years. I have been a loner and have always looked inward for answers not caring what everyone else was going through or thought. 7 months ago I was told a story one from my soul as I learned his name, I have been looking ever since for answers to this story. I intend to keep diving down the rabbit hole till all is reveled.  Before 7 months ago I had never read even one article regarding this awakening thing. When I read about reptilians I had the same reaction to this as you are to what I am saying, and I am still not sure what to make of it, but one thing is for sure I did not ridicule them for believing this.

The fifth dimension could be better could be worse but time is not a factor there. We live in the forth and this is as far dimensionally we will go until death.

If you're looking for more information on awakening and enlightenment, I do highly suggest these two videos to listen to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xX_0K3Tb9TU
&
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PeSezeHLvY4

They're talks by Adyashanti.  The first one might interest you more than the second though.

[powessy]

The second Eve at the apple?  Perhaps it was when money came to be?  Who knows really.  LOL  (the first one is really a joke... I'm not religious in the slightest hehe )

Remember, "strong" can mean many things.  It doesn't necessarily equate to physical strength. 
Intellect... Wisdom... Love... Morals... Ethics... even Spirituality (probably mixed with those last two) are all strengths.

A group of individuals who work towards the betterment of each other (a Love-based group), for example, have a much better chance of survival than a group of individuals who are only interested in saving themselves (one on one).  Make sense?

I have never been religious or believe in organized religion as a whole.

In the wild and a new born, how smart, ethical, wise, love, moral, or spiritual you are will not matter when the predator comes. Man has placed himself above these laws making all of them irrelevant, this is part of evolution we learn and adapt.

I do agree that a group built on love is a thousand times stronger then one without it. The things I would do for a loved one vs someone I didn't know is two separate coins altogether. I have understood you the whole time Xanth just not on this subject about the dark ones.  I don't have a name for them this is only a description from what I see, maybe next time I am projected somewhere and see these things sucking on someone I should just walk the other way, since no one seems to think they exist.      

[Stillwater]

I think this may be the wrong approach here. To assume an individual is young or old is a fundamentally useless question if we are to consider ourselves "timeless" beings without beginning or end. Such distinction may merely be an expression of our time borne existence and its overall relatedness to non-physical systems may be subject to question.

But the question remains, why are we here, and why does there not appear to be a uniform purpose to our universal existence? Is knowledge of the world and its purpose, in an intellectual sense, something the monkey brain of man can comprehend? The more I live the more skeptical I become of such an idea. I haven't had an out of body experience, but having read your accounts, if you accept the REALITY at face value of what you guys are stating despite all our advances in technology we are so off the mark its not even funny. It may even have done some harm, considering the growing collective resignation that there is no life beyond the body or any larger system beyond this one. There have been benefits for sure, given we're even having this conversation over such a distance is a miracle, but we seem to be becoming even more dissociated from the true "wider reality" than ever before.

I use this language here because a purpose for our existence is being discussed. I agree with you that it seems likely that not only may we be timeless, but we exist outside of linear time. But in order to discuss a purpose or a goal, to me this implied linear time (else there would be no time before the goal was met). Now if we have been progressing toward this goal, yet have always existed, it seems that we should have made infinite progress. That we have not made infinite progress would imply that we were at some point "created" in our current form (because our finite progress would be explained by finite existence), and in the sense of being created vs always having existed, I use the term "young".

I do not suppose that we are created in that sense, or that the term "young" (or any comparative like that) could be applied to us in any meaningful sense; but to me, I have difficulty of conceiving of a goal for our existence without those constraints (not that we necessarily have one either, but for the sake of the discussion previous).

Dissociation from the wider reality may well be one of the reasons of being here. Perhaps there are things that can only be experienced from a perspective of ignorance and isolation in a place such as this.

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I use this language here because a purpose for our existence is being discussed. I agree with you that it seems likely that not only may we be timeless, but we exist outside of linear time. But in order to discuss a purpose or a goal, to me this implied linear time (else there would be no time before the goal was met). Now if we have been progressing toward this goal, yet have always existed, it seems that we should have made infinite progress. That we have not made infinite progress would imply that we were at some point "created" in our current form (because our finite progress would be explained by finite existence), and in the sense of being created vs always having existed, I use the term "young".

I do not suppose that we are created in that sense, or that the term "young" (or any comparative like that) could be applied to us in any meaningful sense; but to me, I have difficulty of conceiving of a goal for our existence without those constraints (not that we necessarily have one either, but for the sake of the discussion previous).

Dissociation from the wider reality may well be one of the reasons of being here. Perhaps there are things that can only be experienced from a perspective of ignorance and isolation in a place such as this.

You raise very good points. I think perhaps we've always existed but perhaps not always as an individual or "node" of consciousness. We're "young" in the sense that we've spontaneously become a meta conscious energy system through our continued interaction with more concrete physical systems. From there, through repeated incarnations/rebirths into time or somewhere else we come to create "purpose" for ourselves. Also, humanities need for religions throughout time probably is a reflection of some lingering remembrance of the undifferentiated peace within the ocean of consciousness. I also tend to shy away from the idea of this place being some purgatorial descent onto the physical plane. I like to feel we came to this place to learn rather than being stricken with our lives, but that is merely a personal belief.

Anyways its pretty exciting stuff to think about. You guys might have a better perspective on those sort of things because of your experiences with the greater network and I'm working to join you guys. I just find it mind boggling that society at large is just ignoring this information, along with the growing experiential evidence supporting psi. Learning about these things turned my world upside down lol.