The Lucia Light Machine - triggers DMT production & OOBE

[dreamingod]

Through watching Anthony Peake's youtube interviews I became aware of the below machine.
The producers: psychologist Dr. Engelbert Winkler and neurologist Dr. Dirk Proekl in Switzerland
claim it triggers the production of METAtonin (is chemically known DMT)
and OBE release.


Lucia No. 3, a device that consists of a lamp surrounded by LEDs that hangs off the end of a pole structure,
which the participant sits in front of with eyes closed.
The device is hooked up to a computer with some custom built software
controlling the emitted patterns of light which trigger strange visions in the recipient.



The device works by affecting alpha brain waves and stimulating something called the pineal gland—
so called because it looks a bit like a pine cone—which is located in the center of the brain.
The pineal gland, which is functionally and anatomically linked to other centres of the brain,
reacts to both the intensity and rhythms of the light,
triggering a visionary reaction in the person's brain.

The experience is akin to playing video games or watching TV,
but instead of looking at a screen we'd be journeying into our own creative space,
exploring an ancient part of our mind that is rarely taken out for a ride.

Source: More info here http://www.thecreatorsproject.com/blog/lucia-no-3-is-a-mind-melting-psychedelic-art-experience

Hypnagogic Light Experience with Lucia is on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hypnagogic-Light-Experience-with-Lucia/203005696407966

Distributors of Lucia No. 03: http://www.gesund-im-licht.at/en/the-hypnagogic-light-experience/introduction.html


Todd giving viewers an update about his experience using the Lucid Light Machine
and a recent out-of-body experience. Youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E0JM0l4iBk


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[Sisyphus]

Sorry but i feel the whole LUCIA business is a scam.....

The LEM (Light Eye Mind) Salon setup on facebook is a way to make quick cash from unsuspecting people in my honest opinion.  I've used various mind machines in the past and the Lucia uses the same strobe light technology.  Sure the frequencies may be different but is that worth £15,000  ?  Yes thats the price to buy the Lucia....

So yeah i find it disgusting the promotion of this when there are plenty of far far cheaper devices that can achieve the same or similar effect.

Shouldnt we be warning people about this?

[desert-rat]

I know there have been different kinds of strobe lights around the years to produce different effects .  Yes 15,000 euros is too much .  I think I could build one for maby $50-200 .   If any one has the scematic for this kind of device post it so I can look at it .

[dreamingod]

Sorry but i feel the whole LUCIA business is a scam.....

So yeah i find it disgusting the promotion of this when there are plenty of far far cheaper devices that can achieve the same or similar effect.

I posted the info before I found out about the excessive price tag 

Although I do not personally know if the Lucia works or not,
the Australian Distributor offered to demonstrate the machine to me.
I declined after I found out the approximate price tag from online research.

If any one has the scematic for this kind of device post it so I can look at it .

I hope "leavesofgrass" http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/laxman_light_and_sound_machine-t36015.0.html;msg321701#msg321701
and any others working on a similar device are making progress.

[Sisyphus]

I posted the info before I found out about the excessive price tag 

Although I do not personally know if the Lucia works or not,

I havent tried it myself but i have read reports that it does induce similar sensations that you would get in an out of body experience.

For me - what they have discovered is a particular range of frequencies and then pre-programmed them into the Lucia device.

Is it possible to patent something like this?  ie the settings used that would work in any stroboscopic mind machine.   Its hard to believe that they have set a price of £15,000 for something that any similarly equipped mind machine could do if set at the same frequency, no?

I can remember back in the 90s i had a Mindlab mind machine that used stroboscopic light to induce varying experiences. (lucid dreaming, meditation)

[desert-rat]

Wiring up some leds to some timer circuits would be easy . One would need a basic idea of the kind of patern to put the leds in and a freq. The ones I see on this link http://www.mindmodulations.com/Laxman-Light-Sound-Mind-Machine.html  look like there built in to some googles .  The one  on the pic. on this post look like a frying pan with a light in it , maby a single strobe . With the pic it states a computer controled light .  For 15.000 euros , some one is making money with a computer comtroled light in a frying pan .

[Sisyphus]

For 15.000 euros , some one is making money with a computer comtroled light in a frying pan .

hehe

interesting website explaining what Lucia does and its development.

http://www.clearlightfoundation.com/ebrochure.html

[desert-rat]

We all haft to make money to eat , and if some one puts a strobe and some leds in a frying pan , hooks it to a computer with random number gen. running to control the lights , then sells it for 15,000 euros , then I guess there smart or some thing .

[Bedeekin]

I asked Anthony about his machine... I asked 'Does this work after the lights turn off?'.. he said 'Did for me Ben ......'  I then said... "Oh cool. So it gives you an OOBE and when it finishes the OOBE carries on unaffected?" he said... "No, for me it was more a stimulation of incredible dreams and what I have identified as the partial opening of my "Third Eye". Sounds weird I know but I partly explained this in my book TOBE and my next book, "The Infinite Mindfield" will explain exactly what I mean by this ..."

haha...

so I no it doesn't give him an OOBE and I'm not sure what a third eye opening feels like... and if I want to know I have to buy his book.

[desert-rat]

On opening the 3 eye , you can visualize white light ( or other color ) at that chakra .  http://www.aznewage.com/chakras.htm
I watched one of the you tube videos from the above link .  There more than leds , maby xenon strobes , but I think it can be built for a lot less than 15,000 euors .

[Bedeekin]

Still don't know what the third eye is. Unless it's a metaphor for what we do when we dream... Never understood it. Maybe I am just a natural and have always had my 'third eye' open. 

[Sisyphus]

It just makes me sad when scientific research finds something quite important to do with OBE/possibly spiritual/mind research and instead of sharing the information the two "scientists" behind it decide to market it and sell the experience.  So the price of 15,000 isnt for the machine its for the amazing experiences you will have. 

This is also why the salon in London is able to charge pretty high prices for a short experience with the Lucia

I doubt very much that they understand it..what it is that they are selling...but they have an ON and OFF switch so its all good :/

As i do think that Lucia has hit on something quite important but those behind it are like kids playing with matches.  Its all about the money they dont care or give a damn...

I hate how the world is like this - greed and capitalism own the world's soul imo.  There is no chance of any kind of spiritual revolution or change because it will never be allowed..

[Astralsuzy]

It just makes me sad when scientific research finds something quite important to do with OBE/possibly spiritual/mind research and instead of sharing the information the two "scientists" behind it decide to market it and sell the experience.  So the price of 15,000 isnt for the machine its for the amazing experiences you will have. 

This is also why the salon in London is able to charge pretty high prices for a short experience with the Lucia

I doubt very much that they understand it..what it is that they are selling...but they have an ON and OFF switch so its all good :/

As i do think that Lucia has hit on something quite important but those behind it are like kids playing with matches.  Its all about the money they dont care or give a damn...

I hate how the world is like this - greed and capitalism own the world's soul imo.  There is no chance of any kind of spiritual revolution or change because it will never be allowed..

I tend to agree.  This releasing DMT sounds like a gimmick.  I listen to a powerful ap CD during the day when I can.  I have not ap from it.  I can ap in the mornings but my goal is to ap during the day or early evening.  The only way to do it is to practice.  The CD relaxes you enormously.  The only problem is you have to be careful you do not fall asleep.  I often feel parts of my inner self or physical self, I am not sure which, move.  I think I am getting closer.  My point is the CD cost a small amount of money and it probably has the same results.  If some people think the machine is really good and it is worth it to them then I support it. 

[desert-rat]

People have been using flashing lights to put others in altered states for a few years now , this has a computer hooked to it .  For the most part it never got out of the fad status . If a lot of people are interested more guys will build some .  Play with the arangment of the lights , the freq.  ect. 

[Lionheart]

 What people seem to be missing here is the Lucia 3 was created as a professional device for Doctors, Psychologists and other Scientists in the field.

Everyone that owns one has gone through an orientation with the creators, where they are shown the proper uses and applications of the device.

I wrote them a email to find out if they were ever going to make a Home model, which could be used for personal use. They didn't seem to be interested in that idea.

They created this device to take this subject seriously and to do that they had to get serious practitioner's as of Doctors, Psychologists, other Scientists to use it.

Have you priced any Medical devices, as in machines lately? They are normally in the thousands and sometimes the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

You can also find the Lucia 3 in some high class/high end spas, but those high class spas also have $25,000 Float Tanks and Tanning Machine/Chambers.

If I owned one, I would have people pay a small amount to try it, (to offset it's cost). I would want to get as many people to use it as possible. This would be an eye opening experience for them and may help lead to their own "awakening".

[Astralsuzy]

Lionheart what do the doctors etc use the machine for?  I can see why the machine would cost a lot of money.  It would not be a waste of money if you can afford it.

[Lionheart]

Lionheart what do the doctors etc use the machine for?  I can see why the machine would cost a lot of money.  It would not be a waste of money if you can afford it.

For therapy in Psychological and Neurological Problems. Like Anxiety, Depression, SAD, Brain Injuries, etc.

Read up on the device. It really is quite unique.

Other Light/Sound Machines have been used for therapy as well.

The Device that FrequetFlier spoke about on the Laxman thread called the David Pal is actually used more for therapy than it is entertainment.

I use the Laxman for non physical exploration, but it is also used as a therapy device. The difference is, it's a home/portable one.

I use a Sound device for pain named the Infratonic QGM. Most people don't know what that is because it is expensive. But many therapists, chiropractors etc. use it regularly.

My first one cost over $1,000 and I bought it about 10 years ago, my second (a portable version) cost me $750.00 and goes everywhere we do.

These machines aren't gimmicks, they are professional devices.

It's just the Pharmaceutical Corporations would prefer you to take a pill, that's why you don't see these devices advertised more. Plus the fact that they are indeed expensive.

Look up the Rife or the Scenar, these devices are used for pain management, cellular growth etc., but are also quite expensive. I have seen some versions of the Rife, which is a machine using thousands of different frequencies to combat the problem, selling for over $6,000 US.

Actually, right now I have a friend, (whose husband recently passed on), trying to sell me their Rife at a great price.

But Ma and Pa don't have that kind of money just lying around!  

[Astralsuzy]

Sounds great Lionheart.  Thanks for that.

[Lionheart]

 Here's a new video for Szaxx, Bedeekin and basically anyone else in or around London, UK. They will be there for the entire month of July.

http://vimeo.com/70262876

There are actually a number of areas in Europe where you can test drive this.

Not as many in the good ole USA yet. At not places I can get to easily. 

It says on their site, that they are making their way to the Netherlands next.

 

[Stillwater]

Still don't know what the third eye is. Unless it's a metaphor for what we do when we dream... Never understood it. Maybe I am just a natural and have always had my 'third eye' open. 

My theory on the chakra concept is that they are a primitive way of understanding the major nerve ganglia in the body; each of them literally equates 1 to 1 to a nerve center, and stimulating them feels alot like throbbing nerves firing.

Also... when I have been in deep meditation, sometimes I have felt strong pressure in the middle of my forehead... I am not sure what is behind that per se, but I feel as though experiences like this may contribute to the mysticism of the idea. There are actual physical sensations that I have had that correspond to each chakra, so the concept does have some basis, but explaining exactly what they are without leaning on someone else's assumptions is pretty difficult.

[Lionheart]

 Here's a recent short video with Graham Nichols on his first days with the Lucia 3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a34nJUlfpzQ

[Blue Glitter Neon]

And here is Todd Acamesis using the device:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E0JM0l4iBk

In 2012 he seemed to think it works quite well. Personally, I just stumbled on this lamp on YouTube. Apparently, it's supposed to stimulate the brain/pineal gland to induce lucid dream states. Had no idea it existed.

But £15,000 ? Are you insane? It might be like Lionheart says above, a medical device price tag, but if not, this is a scam price through and through, designed to draw in those proverbial guys born every minute. The obvious parallel would be the "Healing Bars" and "Healing Pucks", featured in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats to great hilarity:
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~./dst/Gentle-Wind/index.html

One ought to be able to market a lamp like this for, say, $200, so if it works anyone who feels like making a shitload of money now has a clear idea to work from.

Which brings me to the question, what's the standing of this device today? Has it been debunked as a fraud? Like stated, I just found out about it an hour ago.

[Xanth]

Well, the question is a personal one... would YOU pay £15,000 for this? 

I sure wouldn't.

Do I trust Todd?  I sure do.  So I don't believe for a second it's any scam.

Has the technology been around for a bit and can be found cheaper?  Probably, but that's when having product-smarts and doing research is more important than anything.

[Blue Glitter Neon]

Well, the question is a personal one... would YOU pay £15,000 for this?  

I sure wouldn't.

Do I trust Todd?  I sure do.  So I don't believe for a second it's any scam.

Has the technology been around for a bit and can be found cheaper?  Probably, but that's when having product-smarts and doing research is more important than anything.

Well, call me paranoid, but my BS detector can get overactive and give off false alarms sometimes.

I'd like to think I trust Todd as well, the amount I've seen of him (a lecture and him interviewing Herr Ziewe). Seems like a regular nice guy. In fact, we're actually the exact same age. Sometimes you just think you know where people are coming from.

Same with Graham Nicholls, by the way.

But sometimes every stone haven't been left unturned and things can be more complex than they appear at the surface, so you can't be too sure.

Anyway, I was really after an update on the device so I thought the forum might be a good place to start. Someone should really look into manufacturing this stuff at an affordable price. The technology involved seems far from overly complex.

[iwasalreadynamed]

I found a device similar to the Lucia N3 called the Pandora Star. I just got a price quote from them. It doesnt show up for me on a google search so I posted a link.


http://www.pandorastar.co.uk/


Thank you for your interest in PandoraStar!

We have two levels to the pricing...

Level 1: £2,500
Level 2: £4,000

At both levels you get the PandoraStar Deep Trance Meditation Machine, tripod, and 50 ready made sessions stored on the onboard memory card for brain training, mind expansion and exploration. You also get lifetime membership to our online PandoraStar User Community (see below).
With level 2 you also receive PC software for creating endless new sessions of your own design. Manual and Skype training are included for learning how to program sessions.
With membership to the PandoraStar User Community you can connect with other PandoraStar owners where you can share feedback, swap sessions, and receive support.
If at any point you want to upgrade to level 2, you just pay the extra and you will then receive the programmable software for creating sessions specific to your needs.
With level 1 you will receive new sessions directly from us, so there will always be new stuff to explore, but level 2 gives you the flexibility to create endless sessions.
We can ship same day and usually get your device to you within 48 hours of sale.
I'm here to answer any questions, so please ask!
Happiness

Todd