The Moon - What of it?

[personalreality]

The Moon, it's there, but.......IS IT REAL?!     Kidding.  The conversation thus far, if anyone wants to discuss it further. 

Artificial Moon?

not true.  the moon is nothing like earth.

Yes, it is actually, unless youre with the whole "its a giant space ship" crowd. Obviously the moon did not form before the Earth, unless it is really is a giant space craft which I dont personally believe. The moon has been dated at about 4.5 billion years old and did indeed originate from the same interstellar material as the earth, it may possibly have been part of the earth as well. Where is your basis for your statement?

Well, from a lot of places really, over the years.

Spaceships and whatnot aside (though I'm not convinced that it's not artificial), the moon, by all accounts, shouldn't exist.  But, specifically in reference to what you said (that the moon is the same age as the earth), based on the currently most accepted lunar creation theory, the moon should be relatively similar in composition to the earth, but it's not.  It could have formed within this solar system, certainly, but you can't assert that it is the same age as the earth or that it came from the earth.  Interestingly enough some of the oldest rocks found from the moon are a billion years older than anything found on earth (which doesn't prove that the moon is necessarily older than the earth). But there is also other evidence that the age of the earth-moon system can't be as old as the solar system (4.6 billion years).  A lot of it has to do with the shape of the earth and the distance between earth and moon.  Again, in line with currently accepted theory, if the moon was formed by the "Double Big Whack" (an invading body hit the earth, incinerated part, which coalesced and swung around and collided with the earth again, throwing off a chunk that became our moon), then why does the earth have all the iron and the moon relatively little?  And about the lunar creation theories, the mathematics don't really work out as well as one would expect.  They've had to tweak the theory numerous times, finally landing on one impact and then more recently landing on the double impact theory.  Nevertheless, astro-physicists are still having trouble reconciling all of the math to make this theory work.

There are some really good books on the moon out there. 

Like "Who Built the Moon" by Knight & Butler.
Here's a Coast to Coast AM episode with these authors http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2005/12/07

Here's a good episode of Red Ice Radio about the moon http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/moon.html

Isaac Asimov even commented on the moon.  It's just too perfect.  you know life wouldn't exist on earth as we know it (or maybe not at all) without our moon being where it is and as big as it is (which the size thing is crazy too, no other body the size of earth has a satellite that big, our gravity shouldn't be strong enough to keep it, which it isn't apparently). 

But yea, I'm not really definitively saying anything about artificiality or spaceships or whatever.  Just that the moon and the earth aren't proven to be the same age, nor are they proven to have formed together or even from the same material (the solar accretion disk).
and there's plenty more out there

You are right that the composition is slightly different, but you are incorrect in that moon rocks are older than the earth, the oldest rocks from the moon are about 4.55 billion years old, unless you are referring to foreign meteorite material. The theories you presented appear to only appear in new age literature (which I usually treat as any other religious literature) but I will keep researching before I make any deffinitive statements. I require real sources on these mathematical inconsistencies but so far they dont appear to be actual problems outside of the new age community. But to stay on topic, the moon is only one of many ways I listed on how we know the earth's age, so going off on this tangent seems a little irrelevant, but interesting nonetheless.

UPDATE: The moon's mantel is more iron rich than earth's, either you got the theory backwards or your talking bull.

[personalreality]

backwards i guess.  it's been years that i've been reading about it. 

i posted some links to conversations that interest me now, sure (though i would hardly say new age, which must be the root of your bias, which i understand entirely).  there are legitimate researchers in fields you might call conspiratorial or possibly metaphysical, though i think many of them see themselves as real scientists with extreme theories at worst.  but whatever.  some of it may be speculation and conjecture.

my point still stands that some of the best astronomical minds have said that the moon and earth relationship is beyond unusual.

my apologies if i spoke from memory as fact, i didn't mean to mislead people (and i hope you all wouldn't believe anything anyone ever says as fact).

[Capt. Picard]

Uhh I feel pretty terrible today, so Il make it short. I was thinking, even if it appeared that the creation of the moon was impossible, you could also take in account the sheer number of stars and possiblities in the physical universe. Maybe life is not supposed to be possible in our universe, but this huge number of stars and possiblities (maybe even alternate universes?) just increases the chance of something very unlikely happening such as life. The same idea could be applyed to the moon and its apparent impossibility, altthough I still havent researched much on the topic yet. Dont get me wrong, I like some conspiratorial and metaphysical authors and information, its just when they go outside their field into math and science I get a little skeptical without extraordinary evidence. Quantum physics has already demonstrated that many metaphysical theories may have some truth to them, and I just think it works out better when the scientists and metaphysics philosophers stick to their own respective fields.

[AmbientSound]

Three questions:

1.) What are the odds that the moon's rotation is such that an observer will only see one side of it from the earth, ever?

2.) What are the odds that the image of a woman's face (yes, it's a woman, not a man- look at the lips more closely) has somehow been formed on the moon's surface by random occurrences of things like meteoric collisions?

3.) What are the odds that our species happens to be the one species, out of the hundreds of billions that exist on earth (life itself having extremely slim odds of existing in the first place), that has noticed that the image on the moon (the face) has features specific to our species and no other?

And I guess I'll add a fourth question here: what are the odds that all three of the above events occur?

[CFTraveler]

Three questions:

1.) What are the odds that the moon's rotation is such that an observer will only see one side of it from the earth, ever?

one hundred, since that's how it is.

2.) What are the odds that the image of a woman's face (yes, it's a woman, not a man- look at the lips more closely) has somehow been formed on the moon's surface by random occurrences of things like meteoric collisions?

Women have different lips than men? I hadn't noticed.

3.) What are the odds that our species happens to be the one species, out of the hundreds of billions that exist on earth (life itself having extremely slim odds of existing in the first place), that has noticed that the image on the moon (the face) has features specific to our species and no other?

Zero, because this is not a fact.  The moon's 'features' are not specific to anything.  Our minds make it seem that way to us, due to the part of our brain that is specifically designed to see 'facial recognition' in anything that resembles what seems to us to be a face.  You see this everywhere in nature, and art reflects this. Heck, even babies have this already built in their brains.
ps. Also look up 'matrixing'.  Our brains tend to fill in the blanks when it comes to what is familiar to us.

[personalreality]

i don't believe the moon belongs here, but way to go CFT.  I was saying the same things to myself as I was reading that post.

[Capt. Picard]

Couldnt have said it better myself CFT 

[Stookie]

You can't even look into the sky without it being a big sham anymore. The sun was put there by the CIA to fool Egyptians into worshiping a false god. Or did I miss the point?

[NoY]

You can't even look into the sky without it being a big sham anymore. The sun was put there by the CIA to fool Egyptians into worshiping a false god. Or did I miss the point?

thats just what a CIA mole would say 

[personalreality]

GET HIM!

[Naykid]

You can't even look into the sky without it being a big sham anymore. The sun was put there by the CIA to fool Egyptians into worshiping a false god. Or did I miss the point?

[AmbientSound]

... what just happened?

[Everlasting]

The first Moon was vaporized in a war, then some aliens gave us Moon 2.0 wich is made of titanium.

[personalreality]

I haven't heard that one before.

[AmbientSound]

I say we take pieces of the moon to the earth, bit by bit, until we have assimilated it completely. Resistance is futile!

[Chris J.]

I say we take pieces of the moon to the earth, bit by bit, until we have assimilated it completely. Resistance is futile!

Hmm...moon rock and crackers sounds pretty good!