Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on July 02, 2002, 12:12:07
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on July 02, 2002, 12:12:07
Look under Spiritual Development in these forums under the topic "Abduction To The Ninth Planet". This has been discussed there some. Those of us that have read it would love to hear your input on it.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: McArthur on July 02, 2002, 14:09:03
Post by: McArthur on July 02, 2002, 14:09:03
I have seen this a few times before but never really read its contents because i didnt like the "Commercial Advertising" feel to it. But i just read the following page;
http://nujournal.net/choice.html
And now find it far more interesting. I think i'll download the free books. Thanks for the link.
http://nujournal.net/choice.html
And now find it far more interesting. I think i'll download the free books. Thanks for the link.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Qui-Gon Jinn on July 09, 2002, 09:55:12
Post by: Qui-Gon Jinn on July 09, 2002, 09:55:12
Read both books back in the late nineties I think it was... nice books both of them.. if thiaoouba prophecy is all truth.. well, that I am not so sure of.... but freedom of choice isn´t fiction so that one can not be "fake"...
take care//Rikard
- Your focus determines your reality -
take care//Rikard
- Your focus determines your reality -
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 21, 2003, 16:01:13
Post by: bomohwkl on March 21, 2003, 16:01:13
I know it is hard to know whether Thiaoouba Prophency is a true story or not for beginner. However, it is important to read the freedom of choice. Then you will know how critical we are in the point of our history. The chakra shirts are interesting too. It seems that I have numberous OBE since wearing them (even those that happen automatically and unintentionally)
Jesus said, " Let's one seeks not stop seeking until one finds.When one finds, one will marvel and rule over all." This description fits well with the freedom of choice.
Jesus said, " Let's one seeks not stop seeking until one finds.When one finds, one will marvel and rule over all." This description fits well with the freedom of choice.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: kakkarot on March 21, 2003, 16:25:23
Post by: kakkarot on March 21, 2003, 16:25:23
um, quick question bomohwkl, where did jesus say that?
~kakkarot
~kakkarot
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2003, 23:09:46
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2003, 23:09:46
Be careful with the truth- Demons forge their own "knowledge" as close to it as possible in order to confuse people and turn them to darkness.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: travisltk on March 22, 2003, 01:01:28
Post by: travisltk on March 22, 2003, 01:01:28
I have read both books, liked them both, too.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 27, 2003, 15:55:17
Post by: bomohwkl on March 27, 2003, 15:55:17
to:kakkarot
The saying is from The Gospel of Thomas by Marvin Meyer
The saying is from The Gospel of Thomas by Marvin Meyer
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 27, 2003, 16:09:06
Post by: bomohwkl on March 27, 2003, 16:09:06
To: EnderWiggin and all....
You need to understand.Believing is not enough, you need to KNOW!
One very common belief among new-agers is that
"The earth is entering into higher dimension and by 'some way' we will exist in spirit form or the evils will be overthrown by light."
Really? Look widely! War, pollution, corruption, misinformation...you name it. Will aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions help us in a big way to save us from the disasters, stupidity and ignorance we created?
May the great spirit enlightens you.
You need to understand.Believing is not enough, you need to KNOW!
One very common belief among new-agers is that
"The earth is entering into higher dimension and by 'some way' we will exist in spirit form or the evils will be overthrown by light."
Really? Look widely! War, pollution, corruption, misinformation...you name it. Will aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions help us in a big way to save us from the disasters, stupidity and ignorance we created?
May the great spirit enlightens you.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 27, 2003, 16:10:30
Post by: bomohwkl on March 27, 2003, 16:10:30
Check up this site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/truecivilisation/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/truecivilisation/
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2003, 20:01:42
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2003, 20:01:42
I haven't checked out that site just yet, but I will say that I don't believe that I know the truth. I believe there is one truth and that I know parts/fragments of this truth. And I don't think I'm alone. God/Allah/[your diety's name(s) here] alone know(s) the truth. When we know the truth, we shall become one with all in the universe. I will now proceed to check out that site.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2003, 20:02:46
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2003, 20:02:46
Looks like it's "members only." Well, I'm out.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 28, 2003, 05:25:02
Post by: bomohwkl on March 28, 2003, 05:25:02
the error has been corrected for the group.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2003, 09:06:52
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2003, 09:06:52
bomohwkl
I think it's a nice vision. It could happen, and yes, our system is failing. But some things I believe must be left up to the Creator. Yes, it was the humans who made the great mess our world is today. But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess. He/she will not do it for us. It will be left up to us what happens. After all, we have free will and it is up to us, not the Creator, to fix this mess. However, creating communities will likely not work for two reasons:
(1) Evil balances and counteracts good by doing something evil when something good is done. For instance, you create these communities, and they are infiltrated by gangs and criminals of all sorts, as well as dishonest wealthy individuals who use their power to serve Mammon, etc.
(2) there is already so much evil in the world that, rather than run away from it, we must face it and fight it. Otherwise, it is going to keep infiltrating the good and causing more evil to occur. Evil is following good.
We will have to work VERY hard to bring mankind back to the ways of peace and love. We must stay together to do this. We can form organizations and all kinds of things. But they must be small. I once read a book (The Moon is a Harsh Mistress) which had a great idea in it about how to do this. We form cells of three. Each person from each cell knows one person from one other cell. That way, if once cell is brought down, the rest are not in danger. No one person can know everyone in the organization. The idea is that we have these cells all over the world (man this is starting to sound like a terrorist operation or something). Each cell has a boss. The cells are based in some sort of pyramid or heirarchy. Orders are given from the head of the organization to his two underlings, who give orders to their underlings, etc. until it gets down to everyone. The people within the cells do not know what cells their cell-mates are in. This way, security is preserved. What do you think? It sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. The idea is that we can go around setting good examples (by opening up recycling centers, healing centers, etc.) but without being infiltrated.
I think it's a nice vision. It could happen, and yes, our system is failing. But some things I believe must be left up to the Creator. Yes, it was the humans who made the great mess our world is today. But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess. He/she will not do it for us. It will be left up to us what happens. After all, we have free will and it is up to us, not the Creator, to fix this mess. However, creating communities will likely not work for two reasons:
(1) Evil balances and counteracts good by doing something evil when something good is done. For instance, you create these communities, and they are infiltrated by gangs and criminals of all sorts, as well as dishonest wealthy individuals who use their power to serve Mammon, etc.
(2) there is already so much evil in the world that, rather than run away from it, we must face it and fight it. Otherwise, it is going to keep infiltrating the good and causing more evil to occur. Evil is following good.
We will have to work VERY hard to bring mankind back to the ways of peace and love. We must stay together to do this. We can form organizations and all kinds of things. But they must be small. I once read a book (The Moon is a Harsh Mistress) which had a great idea in it about how to do this. We form cells of three. Each person from each cell knows one person from one other cell. That way, if once cell is brought down, the rest are not in danger. No one person can know everyone in the organization. The idea is that we have these cells all over the world (man this is starting to sound like a terrorist operation or something). Each cell has a boss. The cells are based in some sort of pyramid or heirarchy. Orders are given from the head of the organization to his two underlings, who give orders to their underlings, etc. until it gets down to everyone. The people within the cells do not know what cells their cell-mates are in. This way, security is preserved. What do you think? It sounds a lot more complicated than it really is. The idea is that we can go around setting good examples (by opening up recycling centers, healing centers, etc.) but without being infiltrated.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 28, 2003, 17:55:33
Post by: bomohwkl on March 28, 2003, 17:55:33
To:EnderWiggin
But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess.
Even if the 'Creator' has shown us how to undo the mess, how many of us are capable of listening and how among them are willing to take actions? Your statement (1) is contradictory. Doesn't it mean by opening the recycling and healing centres invite evil? Where do you get the idea of "evil balances and counteracts good"? Is it a belief or is it a universal truth? Where the evil stem from? Isn't the statement (1) directly says that all the good effort is no use? I am very sure that believing the truthfulness of statement (1) greatly hampered the evolution of our intellect, consciousness and spirituality.
Why do the wealthy individuals want to infiltrate our communities? Why are the wealthy individuals so disturbed? We have no money and no rich material possession. Is it because we make other people to realize that it is possible to create communities using barter system? Would there any more puppets to serve them and make them wealthier if it works? Aren't we puppets for them at the moment? Do you want to see it forever?
According to Tom,
"Even the most dictatorial and narrow-minded leader cannot do anything if all people in his society REFUSE to listen to him, use their intelligence and exercise their Freedom of Choice.
Unfortunately on Earth people behave like sheep in a flock, not like intelligent individuals. (in case you don't know, a flock of sheep can be easily manipulated by a barking dog that runs around them. Sheep become scared of the dog and hold together, even if the dog leads them to slaughter. They cannot imagine that if they disregarded the barking and kept eating the grass they would be much better off...).
The essence of every totalitarian regime is to eliminate/ridicule/restrain thinking individuals and scare the rest to behave like a flock of sheep. Can you determine where it all leads?"
Do you see the parallelism?
Your statement (2) is equally dangerous.
Do you have any idea where are the evils come from?
I totally agree that it is VERY hard to bring mankind back to the ways of peace and love. Do you know why? It is not because evil follows good. Firstly we have no idea why we want peace and why we want love. Secondly, and most importantly,stupidity and ignorance are widespread. Earth people behave like a flock of sheep. I just wonder how much more blind and illogical people on Earth can get.
It is VERY IMPORTANT to find out by looking inside yourself to find out the reasons you adopt the two statements so that mistake like can be rectified. I was once like you and I know.
My idea is setting up small communities around the world which each acting independently with occasionally meeting up for discussion and sharing wisdom.
But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess.
Even if the 'Creator' has shown us how to undo the mess, how many of us are capable of listening and how among them are willing to take actions? Your statement (1) is contradictory. Doesn't it mean by opening the recycling and healing centres invite evil? Where do you get the idea of "evil balances and counteracts good"? Is it a belief or is it a universal truth? Where the evil stem from? Isn't the statement (1) directly says that all the good effort is no use? I am very sure that believing the truthfulness of statement (1) greatly hampered the evolution of our intellect, consciousness and spirituality.
Why do the wealthy individuals want to infiltrate our communities? Why are the wealthy individuals so disturbed? We have no money and no rich material possession. Is it because we make other people to realize that it is possible to create communities using barter system? Would there any more puppets to serve them and make them wealthier if it works? Aren't we puppets for them at the moment? Do you want to see it forever?
According to Tom,
"Even the most dictatorial and narrow-minded leader cannot do anything if all people in his society REFUSE to listen to him, use their intelligence and exercise their Freedom of Choice.
Unfortunately on Earth people behave like sheep in a flock, not like intelligent individuals. (in case you don't know, a flock of sheep can be easily manipulated by a barking dog that runs around them. Sheep become scared of the dog and hold together, even if the dog leads them to slaughter. They cannot imagine that if they disregarded the barking and kept eating the grass they would be much better off...).
The essence of every totalitarian regime is to eliminate/ridicule/restrain thinking individuals and scare the rest to behave like a flock of sheep. Can you determine where it all leads?"
Do you see the parallelism?
Your statement (2) is equally dangerous.
Do you have any idea where are the evils come from?
I totally agree that it is VERY hard to bring mankind back to the ways of peace and love. Do you know why? It is not because evil follows good. Firstly we have no idea why we want peace and why we want love. Secondly, and most importantly,stupidity and ignorance are widespread. Earth people behave like a flock of sheep. I just wonder how much more blind and illogical people on Earth can get.
It is VERY IMPORTANT to find out by looking inside yourself to find out the reasons you adopt the two statements so that mistake like can be rectified. I was once like you and I know.
My idea is setting up small communities around the world which each acting independently with occasionally meeting up for discussion and sharing wisdom.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2003, 00:28:56
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2003, 00:28:56
My statement about the balance of evil and good was stating that evil finds a way to burst your bubble. I did not mean that for every good thing there is an evil thing that happens as well.
"But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess.
Even if the 'Creator' has shown us how to undo the mess, how many of us are capable of listening and how among them are willing to take actions?"
We are all capable, because we are all equal. But we must work hard. It's true that many people are ignorant, lazy, easily swayed, etc. but there are a few good ones out there. One person can make a great difference if they apply themselves properly.
"Your statement (1) is contradictory. Doesn't it mean by opening the recycling and healing centres invite evil?"
Yes, they may invite people who wish knowingly or unknowingly to serve evil, but what are they going to do about it? It's like sanctuary. Evil can enter, but it can't do anything. There are extremely severe consequences for fighting on hallowed grounds, and they take place immediately. Put it this way- it would not be worth it even for the one carrying out the evil will. We would make the grounds of our healing centers holy- maybe we could offer our services to churches. Keep in mind that these recycling centers and healing centers are not a way to combat evil, just a way to help the good. To combat evil, we must rid ourselves of all desire to fight, and we must find out what influences people the greatest- and why. We must then apply ourselves to this. If we can offer people a better reason to be under our influence, then they will want to do good. The human mind is quite malleable.
"Where do you get the idea of "evil balances and counteracts good"? Is it a belief or is it a universal truth? Where the evil stem from? Isn't the statement (1) directly says that all the good effort is no use?"
How do you infer that I meant that good effort is of no use? I never said evil ALWAYS succeeds in its attempts to thwart the actions of the good. In fact, it is defeated much of the time. The difference between the winner and the loser of every fight I have ever witnessed or been part of is the maintainence of calmness. The winner manages to stay cool throughout the fight. (in case you're wondering, the statement in my last post is a belief of mine, it is not stated in the bible or anywhere else, as far as I know. I believe that good WILL succeed.) Maybe we're not heading into an age of enlightenment, but it will succeed in the end, for the simple reason that God/Allah, whatever you want to call the Creator, created the Universe, and everything in it. Even Satan. Satan is NOT God's equivalent. He was but an angel cast out of heaven). He is clever, treaterous, conniving, evil (obviously), and every weakness of mankind. He will never spiritually advance.
"I am very sure that believing the truthfulness of statement (1) greatly hampered the evolution of our intellect, consciousness and spirituality."
I'm not so clear on the meaning of this sentence, could you please explain?
Evil comes from the desires within us due to our weaknesses. Why do people act like sheep? Laziness. It's easier to be ignorant and let others run your life than it is to stand up and take charge of things. Our society promotes laziness, though they claim Americans are so hard-working (some are, there are always exceptions to everything). We are hard-working in general, but we are also very lazy in the way that we jump into the cookie-cutter molds which society has created for us in order to become the "typical success story." Why do you think people go to college? Money. Money (lots of it), in the US, equals success. So people choose this life because they don't want to think for themselves.
I admit, my wording was quite off on that last post. I was tired. I did not mean to imply any of the things you have stated. The Creator (meaning God, Allah, whoever you believe in) works through us. We are the hands. We have FREE WILL. Meaning we can exercise it to do good things. Or bad. But the most important thing to understand is the consequences. interfering with the free will of another person in any way has serious karmic consequences. This is why Satan was cast into hell. He wishes to take it away from us with the illusions he places before us (which closely resemble the truth, I might add).
p.s. would you please explain how my statement was dangerous, contradictory, and stiffling to the advancement of the spirit and one's intelligence?
I don't think setting up these communities is going to solve anything really. How and where are you going to set them up, and how long will they remain the way that is desired until people with bad intentions move there? No matter what system you use, there is always someone waiting to take advantage of it. Some people in our country spend so much time looking for loopholes in tax payment so they don't have to pay taxes. There are many who take advantage of welfare. There are also a lot of people who believe that the rich, though they do pay most of the taxes in this country, should not pay certain taxes. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just telling you that you should think this out more carefully, or, please explain how it is that you are planning on keeping these communities to be good. I happen to come from a very good community, where people get along and are quite kind and friendly. However, I got word today that there was supposed to be a big fight between the Brazilian students of my high school and the rest of the kids. They claimed the Brazilians walked around like they own the school. But who's to say? I wasn't there and I'm glad I wasn't. Also, drug use in my community has increased, as well as under-age drinking. My community is also home to a lot of wealthy people in the summer who tell you to get off 'their' beach. And the population is growing, along with the traffic and rising general tension. In case you're wondering, I live on a small island in the Northeast US. You have to take a boat or plane there- there is no bridge connecting it to the mainland. This place is fairly isolated, but is a large tourist attraction in the summer. I've stared ignorance straight in the face quite a few times. Some of the questions people ask are just so unbelievably idiotic. In the summer, it's quite crowded, but in the winter, there aren't many people who live there year-round, like I did/do (well, if you don't count the fact that I'm living at college, which is NOT on the island) with my parents.
Like I said before, this was once a very pleasant place to live (no corporations such as Wal-Mart or McDonnalds, no big shopping malls, etc., LOTS of nature everywhere), with people who all shared a special mentality and bond with one another, who have had good morals. You could at one time, have known everyone on the island had you lived there. Now it is changing, and has been within the past 5 or so years. There are new faces (which is not something I or anyone else would be against- we welcome strangers), new challenges, and something (some sort of force?) which seeks to invade. So I am wondering, if 10,000 people cannot stop the change, how are you planning on stopping it in your communities in a way that's fair to all? I do not doubt you, but I am definitely curious. There are a lot of things you haven't explained.
p.s. you said: "Will aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions help us in a big way to save us from the disasters, stupidity and ignorance we created?"
You never know. The great spirit(s) work(s) in strange ways... Just don't think it can't happen, however unlikely. Don't depend on it either, though. It is dangerous for one to mettle with their belief system if they do not know what they are doing. I do not know the truth. Most people don't. Something tells me, however, that most people will be going to heaven when the time comes for the world to end. Can you really blame people for believing the things they do? Look at what's around them. They are constantly encouraged, from the day they are born, to act like sheep. What have we been taught in school? Follow orders, obey the teacher, we have to take take these classes and have certain knowledged forced upon us. Even in the bible there are quotes which annoy me ("the lord is my shepherd," for instance) because, what are we? It is true that we act like sheep. However, it is when we go off on our own that we truly learn, so long as we keep returning in order to have a point of reference for comparison.
Good luck with your communities. I hope that you and they are divinely protected. If you have any more questions about my post, I'd be happy to answer them. I can word things strangely sometimes, and often my sentences do not have good flow to them.
"But the Creator will show us how to undo this mess.
Even if the 'Creator' has shown us how to undo the mess, how many of us are capable of listening and how among them are willing to take actions?"
We are all capable, because we are all equal. But we must work hard. It's true that many people are ignorant, lazy, easily swayed, etc. but there are a few good ones out there. One person can make a great difference if they apply themselves properly.
"Your statement (1) is contradictory. Doesn't it mean by opening the recycling and healing centres invite evil?"
Yes, they may invite people who wish knowingly or unknowingly to serve evil, but what are they going to do about it? It's like sanctuary. Evil can enter, but it can't do anything. There are extremely severe consequences for fighting on hallowed grounds, and they take place immediately. Put it this way- it would not be worth it even for the one carrying out the evil will. We would make the grounds of our healing centers holy- maybe we could offer our services to churches. Keep in mind that these recycling centers and healing centers are not a way to combat evil, just a way to help the good. To combat evil, we must rid ourselves of all desire to fight, and we must find out what influences people the greatest- and why. We must then apply ourselves to this. If we can offer people a better reason to be under our influence, then they will want to do good. The human mind is quite malleable.
"Where do you get the idea of "evil balances and counteracts good"? Is it a belief or is it a universal truth? Where the evil stem from? Isn't the statement (1) directly says that all the good effort is no use?"
How do you infer that I meant that good effort is of no use? I never said evil ALWAYS succeeds in its attempts to thwart the actions of the good. In fact, it is defeated much of the time. The difference between the winner and the loser of every fight I have ever witnessed or been part of is the maintainence of calmness. The winner manages to stay cool throughout the fight. (in case you're wondering, the statement in my last post is a belief of mine, it is not stated in the bible or anywhere else, as far as I know. I believe that good WILL succeed.) Maybe we're not heading into an age of enlightenment, but it will succeed in the end, for the simple reason that God/Allah, whatever you want to call the Creator, created the Universe, and everything in it. Even Satan. Satan is NOT God's equivalent. He was but an angel cast out of heaven). He is clever, treaterous, conniving, evil (obviously), and every weakness of mankind. He will never spiritually advance.
"I am very sure that believing the truthfulness of statement (1) greatly hampered the evolution of our intellect, consciousness and spirituality."
I'm not so clear on the meaning of this sentence, could you please explain?
Evil comes from the desires within us due to our weaknesses. Why do people act like sheep? Laziness. It's easier to be ignorant and let others run your life than it is to stand up and take charge of things. Our society promotes laziness, though they claim Americans are so hard-working (some are, there are always exceptions to everything). We are hard-working in general, but we are also very lazy in the way that we jump into the cookie-cutter molds which society has created for us in order to become the "typical success story." Why do you think people go to college? Money. Money (lots of it), in the US, equals success. So people choose this life because they don't want to think for themselves.
I admit, my wording was quite off on that last post. I was tired. I did not mean to imply any of the things you have stated. The Creator (meaning God, Allah, whoever you believe in) works through us. We are the hands. We have FREE WILL. Meaning we can exercise it to do good things. Or bad. But the most important thing to understand is the consequences. interfering with the free will of another person in any way has serious karmic consequences. This is why Satan was cast into hell. He wishes to take it away from us with the illusions he places before us (which closely resemble the truth, I might add).
p.s. would you please explain how my statement was dangerous, contradictory, and stiffling to the advancement of the spirit and one's intelligence?
I don't think setting up these communities is going to solve anything really. How and where are you going to set them up, and how long will they remain the way that is desired until people with bad intentions move there? No matter what system you use, there is always someone waiting to take advantage of it. Some people in our country spend so much time looking for loopholes in tax payment so they don't have to pay taxes. There are many who take advantage of welfare. There are also a lot of people who believe that the rich, though they do pay most of the taxes in this country, should not pay certain taxes. I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just telling you that you should think this out more carefully, or, please explain how it is that you are planning on keeping these communities to be good. I happen to come from a very good community, where people get along and are quite kind and friendly. However, I got word today that there was supposed to be a big fight between the Brazilian students of my high school and the rest of the kids. They claimed the Brazilians walked around like they own the school. But who's to say? I wasn't there and I'm glad I wasn't. Also, drug use in my community has increased, as well as under-age drinking. My community is also home to a lot of wealthy people in the summer who tell you to get off 'their' beach. And the population is growing, along with the traffic and rising general tension. In case you're wondering, I live on a small island in the Northeast US. You have to take a boat or plane there- there is no bridge connecting it to the mainland. This place is fairly isolated, but is a large tourist attraction in the summer. I've stared ignorance straight in the face quite a few times. Some of the questions people ask are just so unbelievably idiotic. In the summer, it's quite crowded, but in the winter, there aren't many people who live there year-round, like I did/do (well, if you don't count the fact that I'm living at college, which is NOT on the island) with my parents.
Like I said before, this was once a very pleasant place to live (no corporations such as Wal-Mart or McDonnalds, no big shopping malls, etc., LOTS of nature everywhere), with people who all shared a special mentality and bond with one another, who have had good morals. You could at one time, have known everyone on the island had you lived there. Now it is changing, and has been within the past 5 or so years. There are new faces (which is not something I or anyone else would be against- we welcome strangers), new challenges, and something (some sort of force?) which seeks to invade. So I am wondering, if 10,000 people cannot stop the change, how are you planning on stopping it in your communities in a way that's fair to all? I do not doubt you, but I am definitely curious. There are a lot of things you haven't explained.
p.s. you said: "Will aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions help us in a big way to save us from the disasters, stupidity and ignorance we created?"
You never know. The great spirit(s) work(s) in strange ways... Just don't think it can't happen, however unlikely. Don't depend on it either, though. It is dangerous for one to mettle with their belief system if they do not know what they are doing. I do not know the truth. Most people don't. Something tells me, however, that most people will be going to heaven when the time comes for the world to end. Can you really blame people for believing the things they do? Look at what's around them. They are constantly encouraged, from the day they are born, to act like sheep. What have we been taught in school? Follow orders, obey the teacher, we have to take take these classes and have certain knowledged forced upon us. Even in the bible there are quotes which annoy me ("the lord is my shepherd," for instance) because, what are we? It is true that we act like sheep. However, it is when we go off on our own that we truly learn, so long as we keep returning in order to have a point of reference for comparison.
Good luck with your communities. I hope that you and they are divinely protected. If you have any more questions about my post, I'd be happy to answer them. I can word things strangely sometimes, and often my sentences do not have good flow to them.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 29, 2003, 04:54:55
Post by: bomohwkl on March 29, 2003, 04:54:55
It is very obvious from your analysis that people don`t need any help from an evil being. Most of them manage to be evil all by themselves. So-called "evil" is actually created by people who CHOOSE to harm and take advantage of others. In extreme cases we have totalitarian regimes, slavery, concentration camps and the inquisition. All "evil" activities are done by PEOPLE. Most people will attribute Hilter an evil.
Hitler could ONLY hurt so many people, because he obtained a TOTAL support from the FLOCK. People in Germany had totally surrendered their intellect and integrity and AGREED to act as puppets of the "Reich" rather than as human beings.
So do you have any idea to get rid of all evils?
Even the communities are destroyed by "evil", this allow those who THINK what actually has gone wrong with the society, SOWING seeds in the people mind. Jesus knew that he would be crucified by the "evil". But, Jesus weren't hampered in carried out his humble duties as his intention was to sow seeds into people minds. However, his message was greatly distorted as time passed.
1) Evil balances the good.
According your meaning, whatever good things we do, there will be 'evil' counterparts lurking around. This also says that creating a world where people are loving, spiritual and peaceful are IMPOSSIBLE? For example, 100 people who are 'good' and 100 people who are 'evil'? There is no point turning the 'evil' into 'good'? Contrast in needed to learn what is 'good' and what is 'evil' You will never understand happiness without sadness. If you feel sad once, you know what is happiness. On earth, it looks like "evil balances good". It is just a contrast for people to learn. But most people cannot even differentiate what are 'good' and 'evil'. Debates whether something is justified or not always continues. Accepting the idea that 'evil balances good' hampers us from looking at the motive of the 'Creator' put them in place. By learning the reasons we are in such a bad shape, we can strike forward for a better future. The so called 'negative balances positive' is just a CONTRAST for human beings to learn. Until we learned, there will be no progress. Creating all 'positives' are POSSIBLE.
Hitler could ONLY hurt so many people, because he obtained a TOTAL support from the FLOCK. People in Germany had totally surrendered their intellect and integrity and AGREED to act as puppets of the "Reich" rather than as human beings.
So do you have any idea to get rid of all evils?
Even the communities are destroyed by "evil", this allow those who THINK what actually has gone wrong with the society, SOWING seeds in the people mind. Jesus knew that he would be crucified by the "evil". But, Jesus weren't hampered in carried out his humble duties as his intention was to sow seeds into people minds. However, his message was greatly distorted as time passed.
1) Evil balances the good.
According your meaning, whatever good things we do, there will be 'evil' counterparts lurking around. This also says that creating a world where people are loving, spiritual and peaceful are IMPOSSIBLE? For example, 100 people who are 'good' and 100 people who are 'evil'? There is no point turning the 'evil' into 'good'? Contrast in needed to learn what is 'good' and what is 'evil' You will never understand happiness without sadness. If you feel sad once, you know what is happiness. On earth, it looks like "evil balances good". It is just a contrast for people to learn. But most people cannot even differentiate what are 'good' and 'evil'. Debates whether something is justified or not always continues. Accepting the idea that 'evil balances good' hampers us from looking at the motive of the 'Creator' put them in place. By learning the reasons we are in such a bad shape, we can strike forward for a better future. The so called 'negative balances positive' is just a CONTRAST for human beings to learn. Until we learned, there will be no progress. Creating all 'positives' are POSSIBLE.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 29, 2003, 05:26:42
Post by: bomohwkl on March 29, 2003, 05:26:42
There are new faces (which is not something I or anyone else would be against- we welcome strangers), new challenges, and something (some sort of force?) which seeks to invade.
Your community is in the process of learning something important. Remember the contrast?
Aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions will NEVER help us in a big way to save us from the disasters. Why?
The reason is psychology. We would then passively have allowed ourselves to be helped and that would adversely affect our LEARNING. Universal law is well-established that if you make a mistake, you pay the penalty –immediately in ten years time or ten centuries, but errors must be paid. Does it sound like 'Karmic law' ? The aliens and spiritual guides from 'higher dimensions' are formally forbidden to 'serve the meal on a plate'.
Your community is in the process of learning something important. Remember the contrast?
Aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions will NEVER help us in a big way to save us from the disasters. Why?
The reason is psychology. We would then passively have allowed ourselves to be helped and that would adversely affect our LEARNING. Universal law is well-established that if you make a mistake, you pay the penalty –immediately in ten years time or ten centuries, but errors must be paid. Does it sound like 'Karmic law' ? The aliens and spiritual guides from 'higher dimensions' are formally forbidden to 'serve the meal on a plate'.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2003, 14:32:40
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2003, 14:32:40
"Aliens or our spiritual guides in higher dimensions will NEVER help us in a big way to save us from the disasters. Why?
The reason is [human] psychology. *Well, that's part of it.* We would then passively have allowed ourselves to be helped and that would adversely affect our LEARNING.
Universal law is well-established that if you make a mistake, you pay the penalty –immediately in ten years time or ten centuries, but errors must *and WILL* be paid. Does it sound like 'Karmic law' ? The aliens and spiritual guides from 'higher dimensions' are formally forbidden to 'serve the meal on a plate'."
Their help would also interfere with our free will, and they would suffer the karmic consequences. The point of having free will is to be able to spiritually advance.
What worries me about my community is that I still find that there is sheep mentality there. People get up and go to work, unquestioningly. I am in school and I question why I am here. I will not use the knowledge that I have acquired to go out and get a job that already exists, one that a person has already labeled. Wherever there is sheep mentality, there will be evil that tries to gain the support of the flock (as well as good). What must be done? People must be taught to think for themselves. What is school? It is a social environment in which people are pressured by their peers to act or appear a certain way in order to "fit in," or be accepted by others. Young people, for the most part, are naturally dependent on others due to their lack of experience and their fears. Some people are rebels, though. THey choose not to be part of the majority.
What influences people the most in this country and in many others? Corporations. It seems that the Middle Eastern region is unique in the way that they appear to be more influenced by their religion than anything else. Specifically, Islam. It is being used to brainwash mothers into giving up their children so that they may one day become the suicide-bombers you hear about on the news. The mothers beileve it is for a good purpose. But what they don't seem to realize is that the radical fundamentalists take their religion, slice it up any way they want, and then take only some parts of it to form a very distorted version of what was once a good religion before they mutilated it. This way, they can "justify" their actions. Those are countries that have nothing to lose. So you could see why it might be easy for a person to blow themselves up in a crowd of innocent people. There is nothing they haven't already lost.
Religion also influences people in this country. Some Right-Winged "Christian" republicans (and sometimes democrats) use distorted Christianity to influence people. Why does it work? Because they are clever and manipulative. A lot of people don't even know what real Christianity is anymore.
How will people learn to think independently? Well, they have anti-drug and anti-tobacco and drunk-driving ads. Why not ads that tell people to think for themselves? It's worth a shot.
I have always believed that no matter what religion a person is, the path of that religion has an equal chance of spiritual ascention as any other religion. Humans are neither good nor evil. They choose which path they want to take in life. What can we do to teach people about the consequences of each path so that they may make their own decision? We cannot force people onto the path of good- they must choose it for themselves, lest we suffer the consequences of interfering with their free will.
The reason is [human] psychology. *Well, that's part of it.* We would then passively have allowed ourselves to be helped and that would adversely affect our LEARNING.
Universal law is well-established that if you make a mistake, you pay the penalty –immediately in ten years time or ten centuries, but errors must *and WILL* be paid. Does it sound like 'Karmic law' ? The aliens and spiritual guides from 'higher dimensions' are formally forbidden to 'serve the meal on a plate'."Their help would also interfere with our free will, and they would suffer the karmic consequences. The point of having free will is to be able to spiritually advance.
What worries me about my community is that I still find that there is sheep mentality there. People get up and go to work, unquestioningly. I am in school and I question why I am here. I will not use the knowledge that I have acquired to go out and get a job that already exists, one that a person has already labeled. Wherever there is sheep mentality, there will be evil that tries to gain the support of the flock (as well as good). What must be done? People must be taught to think for themselves. What is school? It is a social environment in which people are pressured by their peers to act or appear a certain way in order to "fit in," or be accepted by others. Young people, for the most part, are naturally dependent on others due to their lack of experience and their fears. Some people are rebels, though. THey choose not to be part of the majority.
What influences people the most in this country and in many others? Corporations. It seems that the Middle Eastern region is unique in the way that they appear to be more influenced by their religion than anything else. Specifically, Islam. It is being used to brainwash mothers into giving up their children so that they may one day become the suicide-bombers you hear about on the news. The mothers beileve it is for a good purpose. But what they don't seem to realize is that the radical fundamentalists take their religion, slice it up any way they want, and then take only some parts of it to form a very distorted version of what was once a good religion before they mutilated it. This way, they can "justify" their actions. Those are countries that have nothing to lose. So you could see why it might be easy for a person to blow themselves up in a crowd of innocent people. There is nothing they haven't already lost.
Religion also influences people in this country. Some Right-Winged "Christian" republicans (and sometimes democrats) use distorted Christianity to influence people. Why does it work? Because they are clever and manipulative. A lot of people don't even know what real Christianity is anymore.
How will people learn to think independently? Well, they have anti-drug and anti-tobacco and drunk-driving ads. Why not ads that tell people to think for themselves? It's worth a shot.
I have always believed that no matter what religion a person is, the path of that religion has an equal chance of spiritual ascention as any other religion. Humans are neither good nor evil. They choose which path they want to take in life. What can we do to teach people about the consequences of each path so that they may make their own decision? We cannot force people onto the path of good- they must choose it for themselves, lest we suffer the consequences of interfering with their free will.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 29, 2003, 19:32:36
Post by: bomohwkl on March 29, 2003, 19:32:36
"A school is a social environment in which people are pressured by their peers to act or appear a certain way in order to "fit in," or be accepted by others."
But, most importantly, it is a place where we LEARN to write, speak, listen, read, think and other important social skills. I don't think it is a good idea for a child to skip school. You can try and see what are the consequences.
No one can influence us except we allowing others to influence us. We have to take responsibilities to carefully and logically scrutinize any information presented to us. Institutions like churches, media, corporations and etc bombard us with information non-stop.
By brainwashing, they successfully control your thoughts and actions even without you knowing! We allow ourselves to be influence by this information and we are to blame. How do we know whether the information is distorted, propaganda or simply to induce fear among people?? (Read the Freedom of Choice). Clustering our mind with such information cripples our understanding of the purpose of the universe. By promoting the fear of God, people just accept what the priests tell them without questioning. Hence, no understanding of God is attained. Presently, we are in the critical point of history where our mind is so polluted that our very own existence and society at whole are at stake!
An advertisement to encourage people to think of themselves is a good idea. The advertisement should be capable to inspire/teach/tease people to think.I will pass the idea around.
You seem to make a very good progress. :-)
But, most importantly, it is a place where we LEARN to write, speak, listen, read, think and other important social skills. I don't think it is a good idea for a child to skip school. You can try and see what are the consequences.
No one can influence us except we allowing others to influence us. We have to take responsibilities to carefully and logically scrutinize any information presented to us. Institutions like churches, media, corporations and etc bombard us with information non-stop.
By brainwashing, they successfully control your thoughts and actions even without you knowing! We allow ourselves to be influence by this information and we are to blame. How do we know whether the information is distorted, propaganda or simply to induce fear among people?? (Read the Freedom of Choice). Clustering our mind with such information cripples our understanding of the purpose of the universe. By promoting the fear of God, people just accept what the priests tell them without questioning. Hence, no understanding of God is attained. Presently, we are in the critical point of history where our mind is so polluted that our very own existence and society at whole are at stake!
An advertisement to encourage people to think of themselves is a good idea. The advertisement should be capable to inspire/teach/tease people to think.I will pass the idea around.
You seem to make a very good progress. :-)
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2003, 23:52:18
Post by: Anonymous on March 29, 2003, 23:52:18
I'm sorry if I implied that school should be done away with entirely- it shoudn't. I just meant that school, even with all of the important things it teaches us, is a place where we learn to think like sheep.
My idea about advertising is a perfect example of how evil will try to thwart our efforts to make people aware. I've seen how the devil plans to take the world into darkness. He's using good people with good intentions to do his work, by making them work for corporations because they cannot find another job. But he is also using others who work for the world's governments to instill fear in people. The corporations are the tool for distraction, the governments for fear. Fear and distraction are his methods. Corporations to distract with bright, shiny new things, meaningless busywork, etc. and a government to instill fear in individuals who wish to think independently by persecuting them and imprisoning them, even killing them. And others are afraid to stop them. The corporations produce the physical things for the government to carry out their plans of war, punishment, etc.
Not all the things the governments do are bad- Many provide police for protection, food for children at school, and have many different agencies to deal with many different issues; however, I have been a big fan of the Buddhist concept of self-government: everyone is responsible for him/herself and the karmic consequences of their actions. If a person wants to go around killing, raping, robbing, that's their business, but someone might do something about them. Or, if a person wants to take in a stranger from the street and feed them, that is also their decision. If a person wants to live in the woods in a hut, it is also their decision. I don't see a need for a government for the people who realize that they are responsible for themselves. I am an anarchist, but I do not believe in chaos and obscurity.
I know people do not think like this. Most people would probably steal from and hurt each other. This is due to the ignorance of people. Were people always this ignorant? I don't know. But I do know that Jesus's teachings were misunderstood. I am beginning to understand things which I could not explain with words. I stay away from most people because I do not want their influence upon me, when I am making progress. More than 99% of people I do not trust. Not because I think they are bad, but because I know they do not see what I see. My second sight is being developed, I think. The other day in my kung fu class, we had to spin around really fast in order to make ourselves as dizzy as possible, and then stop instantly without falling. The idea was to overcome the dizzyness. While I was spinning, I saw what looked like rain. But we were inside, and I did not feel wetness. So I was either hallucinating or I saw something that others did not. Nobody else reported seeing it.
The internet is the safest way for me to talk to others. I often say nothing when around others, for two reasons- (1) I cannot think of anything to say that is relevant to anything that is really important that they could understand, and (2) if I told them some of the things I have seen, they would think I was crazy. It is hard for me to have "normal" mundane conversation with others, only because it frustrates me when I find a conversation meaningless. To me it's a waste of my brain and my time. Time I cannot regain. My brain, in future decades, could probably be grown back.
By the way, what do you think of all the cloning research that has been done? It bothers me that they may have cloned a human. That human clone will likely be ridiculed, condemned, and ostracized by many religious cults and sects. Mankind is not emotionally ready to deal with such an issue.
My idea about advertising is a perfect example of how evil will try to thwart our efforts to make people aware. I've seen how the devil plans to take the world into darkness. He's using good people with good intentions to do his work, by making them work for corporations because they cannot find another job. But he is also using others who work for the world's governments to instill fear in people. The corporations are the tool for distraction, the governments for fear. Fear and distraction are his methods. Corporations to distract with bright, shiny new things, meaningless busywork, etc. and a government to instill fear in individuals who wish to think independently by persecuting them and imprisoning them, even killing them. And others are afraid to stop them. The corporations produce the physical things for the government to carry out their plans of war, punishment, etc.
Not all the things the governments do are bad- Many provide police for protection, food for children at school, and have many different agencies to deal with many different issues; however, I have been a big fan of the Buddhist concept of self-government: everyone is responsible for him/herself and the karmic consequences of their actions. If a person wants to go around killing, raping, robbing, that's their business, but someone might do something about them. Or, if a person wants to take in a stranger from the street and feed them, that is also their decision. If a person wants to live in the woods in a hut, it is also their decision. I don't see a need for a government for the people who realize that they are responsible for themselves. I am an anarchist, but I do not believe in chaos and obscurity.
I know people do not think like this. Most people would probably steal from and hurt each other. This is due to the ignorance of people. Were people always this ignorant? I don't know. But I do know that Jesus's teachings were misunderstood. I am beginning to understand things which I could not explain with words. I stay away from most people because I do not want their influence upon me, when I am making progress. More than 99% of people I do not trust. Not because I think they are bad, but because I know they do not see what I see. My second sight is being developed, I think. The other day in my kung fu class, we had to spin around really fast in order to make ourselves as dizzy as possible, and then stop instantly without falling. The idea was to overcome the dizzyness. While I was spinning, I saw what looked like rain. But we were inside, and I did not feel wetness. So I was either hallucinating or I saw something that others did not. Nobody else reported seeing it.
The internet is the safest way for me to talk to others. I often say nothing when around others, for two reasons- (1) I cannot think of anything to say that is relevant to anything that is really important that they could understand, and (2) if I told them some of the things I have seen, they would think I was crazy. It is hard for me to have "normal" mundane conversation with others, only because it frustrates me when I find a conversation meaningless. To me it's a waste of my brain and my time. Time I cannot regain. My brain, in future decades, could probably be grown back.
By the way, what do you think of all the cloning research that has been done? It bothers me that they may have cloned a human. That human clone will likely be ridiculed, condemned, and ostracized by many religious cults and sects. Mankind is not emotionally ready to deal with such an issue.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 30, 2003, 03:31:32
Post by: bomohwkl on March 30, 2003, 03:31:32
Cloning whether human or not, is a process of LEARNING the COMPLEXITY yet PREFECTLY designed life. It is harder to clone human being than plants. However, we know that there is a risk cultivating plants having the same genes. If a micro-organism finds out the plant's weakness, the entire cultivation is destroyed simply because the plant cannot 'help one another' as they are identical.
Other problems relating human cloning are hard to predict until it is tried.
Concerning views of people about human cloning:
Why does a human clone likely be ridiculed? Why does mankind not ready to emotionally deal with human cloning? The answer is within you.
Other problems relating human cloning are hard to predict until it is tried.
Concerning views of people about human cloning:
Why does a human clone likely be ridiculed? Why does mankind not ready to emotionally deal with human cloning? The answer is within you.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on March 30, 2003, 03:49:37
Post by: bomohwkl on March 30, 2003, 03:49:37
Those who know the Purpose of the Universe and exercise their intellects and Freedom of Choice will not fear.(even death.)
The Gospel of Thomas (by Marvin Meyer) wrote
These are the hidden sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Judas Thomas the Twin recorded.
1. And he said," Whoever discovers the intrepretation of these sayings will not taste death."
That's so true.
2. Jesus said," Let one who seeks not stop seking until one finds. When one finds, one will be troubled. When when is troubled, one will marvel and rule over all."
You might experience (2)
For some obvious reasons, the Church has banned the book since its discovery.
The Gospel of Thomas (by Marvin Meyer) wrote
These are the hidden sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Judas Thomas the Twin recorded.
1. And he said," Whoever discovers the intrepretation of these sayings will not taste death."
That's so true.
2. Jesus said," Let one who seeks not stop seking until one finds. When one finds, one will be troubled. When when is troubled, one will marvel and rule over all."
You might experience (2)
For some obvious reasons, the Church has banned the book since its discovery.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2003, 13:00:45
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2003, 13:00:45
The vast majority of people ARE ready to deal with a clone, I think. But there are groups out there such as the kkk and al quida who would condemn the clone because it was not made naturally. What they seem to not understand is that it's not the clone's fault for being made. It was a soul called forth to serve some purpose. Radical christian groups might refer to a human clone as the child of satan. Remember, I am not talking about ALL humans here. There are not many who think this way, but it's enough to be a problem. Everyone has a person who would kill them if they had the chance. I'm sure there are people who probably want to kill me, though I don't know why. The terrorists, for instance, because I'm an American. This does not stop me from being an American, however. They do not strike fear or terror within me. Even if they managed to kidnap me, I might be afraid, but I would not change my beliefs for them.
What alarms me about human cloning is not the cloning itself, but the misuse of the cloning technology by military groups and terrorist groups (who would use it to breed super-soldiers if they don't already). The creation of artificial lifeforms as well. This would cause great imbalance in the ecosystem.
What alarms me about human cloning is not the cloning itself, but the misuse of the cloning technology by military groups and terrorist groups (who would use it to breed super-soldiers if they don't already). The creation of artificial lifeforms as well. This would cause great imbalance in the ecosystem.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2003, 08:00:07
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2003, 08:00:07
I had a very strange dream a few nights ago. I was in the basement of an abandoned house, which had not been entered for centuries. There was an omnipresent evil. It was dark and there were strange noises and things lurking in the shadows. I was not alone. Golem (from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings) was beside me and was pointing to the end of a hall of pillars, at what appeared to be nothing at all. He then went on to explain to me that what he was pointing at was fear itself. I was puzzled for a moment, and then a saying popped into myh head: "There is nothing to fear but fear itself." I realized then that fear was a discarnate. I turned and fled.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: vesselinpeev on March 31, 2003, 16:26:29
Post by: vesselinpeev on March 31, 2003, 16:26:29
Hey, guys, where were you when I alerted on this book more than 2 years ago on the old Astralresearch forum? :))
I'm so glad there are many more people interested this time!
Here's the initial explanatory post of mine (still on Astralresearch):
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"Thiaoouba Prophecy" book -- Answer to Jane
On: Fri Feb 2 00:13:01 WST 2001
Posted by: Vesselin Peev [vesselinpeev@hotmail.com]
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Hi Jane,
I'm glad you asked. Not many people are interested, though...
As Michel Desmarquet, the book's author says, it is a report of his nine days' stay on a planet called Thiaoouba, somewhere in the Milky Way, inhabited by advanced species of aliens. These aliens are human beings like us, and although they look somewhat differently, their souls are like the very souls that we possess, only much more evolved. They have kept a close watch on us throughout the whole history of the planet Earth and have given spiritual and even material assistance to our people when it was deemed necessary. The main message of the book is that material technology, without spiritual knowledge, confines people more and more within the bounds of the materialistic system which is temporary anyway. Money, religions and power are a curse on Earth that misinforms and suppresses Individual Intellects from developing spiritually to their full potential.
I will not go into detail, and will leave to you the pleasure of reading, but will tell you that the book clarifies most, if not all mysteries on our planet such as how the pyramids were built, the Bermuda Triangle, Easter Island, etc.
In my opinion, the most important thing is the information about the nature of the human psyche, the astral body and the cycle of life and death in the context of the design of the universe by a special being with a Superior Intelligence we call God.
What is more, there is a chapter called "Who was Christ?" that I am not going to comment here,
but which, needless to say, is extremely intriguing and important.
The book is more special in a sense that, from my experience, it is SINCERELY written and is PACKED with VALUABLE information. It contains no theories and no wishful thinking.
Of course you do not need to believe. I myself have never believed. And I am not religious. Haven't people killed millions others in the name of God because they have stopped thinking in their blind faith? I want to know for sure, without any trace of blind faith.
But before my speaking further, you should really read the book. Please tell me what you think of it then, either by posting on the forum or writing to my e-mail at vesselinpeev@hotmail.com. I would be very glad to discuss it with you. I have studied the book for 3 years, but there are still some issues I have to clarify for myself. There is a discussion forum about this book and another book written by Tom Chalko, a Melbourne scientist, founder of Bioresonant, at www.thiaoouba.com. And please do not be prejudiced about the book. Think. Just think. If you do not understand something, that's OK, but please do not discard the information. Try to comprehend difficult things later, and see if it makes sense.
The book was a life-changer for me. When I read it first in summer 1998, at age 19, I wept over some of the pages. I had already become sick of the meanness, duplicity, envy and ignorance (among many other vices) of the majority of people around me, and I had too many questions jumping in my mind. People call themselves "adults," but now I see most of them are no more so that the members of a kindergarten. Also, I was not satisfied with the philosophical thought of our civilization because I always found contradictions in any philosophical work. I am currently taking a second course in philosophy in my university, and have found that professors evade tough and contradictory issues in the philosophical texts.
I have drawn inspiration from "Thiaoouba Prophecy" to perfect my life in every possible respect. That is no hyperbole. I am doing yoga, meditation, concentration, and striving to enhance both my professional and spiritual abilities on a daily basis. I have found that it is easier to develop than not to do so, given the right frame of mind. I am not dogmatic and am always open to different views. I have stopped getting angry for any reason. I can give you a list of many things that I have changed or am changing at the moment.
Now, in relation to spiritual development, I admire Robert for what he is and where he's heading to.
Think about what would become if only people similar to Robert populated the Earth. Life would be very close to paradise, wouldn't it? So why not act now and turn dreams into reality. Why doesn't more of us become exemplary human beings? We've received enough guidance. Now it is high time we finally acted. I know and feel deep in my heart this is possible. One just has to be very careful, patient and persistent, and working in the right direction.
You must not think that after I read this book I have stopped searching for other information.
I am striving to think logically all the time (I'm a computer programmer), and continually trying to enhance my understanding of Nature. In a great effort to find contradictions, I have read numerous books since, as well as examined many documents on the Internet. I found Robert Bruce's web site at roughly the same time I first read the book, and was fascinated by the truthfulness of it all. By the way, I've recently found specific sentences and key words from Robert's description of his entering the Akashic Records in "Astral Dynamics" to correspond very closely to Michel's doing so in his book, aided by the aliens. But that is another story. Michel's book was written in 1989, Astral Dynamics in 1998. Make your conclusions. [Note: I'm not implying Robert copied from anyone; on the contrary, I'm sure it constitutes proof such experience are similar and real]
The book is extremely intelligently written. Have in mind that this guy Michel has just a basic education -- primary school or something like that. In an interview several years ago, some scientists had attacked him with accusations that the book's contents was simply too fantastic and that he conjured it all up. He told them to try to prove with all their instruments just a single fact to be false. They couldn't and they are searching to this very day. Perhaps that is where the 1000$ reward given on the site originated from. I do not see anything bad in this -- maybe it's just a stimulus for some people. Also, the money are not that much, and they are clearly not intended for "hidden" lucrative purposes.
I'll point out that based on exact information in the book, physicist Tom Chalko discovered Bioresonant clothing, which works indeed -- I can attest to that!
The message of the people of Thiaoouba is extremely subtle but its significance is not realized at all at the moment (February 1, 2001) except by few people on the planet. People tend to think that if the message is so important, it should be turned into something like TV advertisement. But that's not the way. All great things come in subtle "clothing." They need to be recognized for what they are, and not for how they look. What counts is not appearances but what is behind them.
Unfortunately, I have no friends which are interested in the matter.
Best wishes,
Vesko
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Go search for the rest of the posts on Astralresearch about this book, or click on the following link:
http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:6AdRJTgzmGEC:astralresearch.com/posts/archive3/threadindex.html+astralresearch+Thiaoouba+Prophecy&hl=bg&ie=UTF-8
It will hilight them for you.
-Vesko
I'm so glad there are many more people interested this time!
Here's the initial explanatory post of mine (still on Astralresearch):
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"Thiaoouba Prophecy" book -- Answer to Jane
On: Fri Feb 2 00:13:01 WST 2001
Posted by: Vesselin Peev [vesselinpeev@hotmail.com]
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Hi Jane,
I'm glad you asked. Not many people are interested, though...
As Michel Desmarquet, the book's author says, it is a report of his nine days' stay on a planet called Thiaoouba, somewhere in the Milky Way, inhabited by advanced species of aliens. These aliens are human beings like us, and although they look somewhat differently, their souls are like the very souls that we possess, only much more evolved. They have kept a close watch on us throughout the whole history of the planet Earth and have given spiritual and even material assistance to our people when it was deemed necessary. The main message of the book is that material technology, without spiritual knowledge, confines people more and more within the bounds of the materialistic system which is temporary anyway. Money, religions and power are a curse on Earth that misinforms and suppresses Individual Intellects from developing spiritually to their full potential.
I will not go into detail, and will leave to you the pleasure of reading, but will tell you that the book clarifies most, if not all mysteries on our planet such as how the pyramids were built, the Bermuda Triangle, Easter Island, etc.
In my opinion, the most important thing is the information about the nature of the human psyche, the astral body and the cycle of life and death in the context of the design of the universe by a special being with a Superior Intelligence we call God.
What is more, there is a chapter called "Who was Christ?" that I am not going to comment here,
but which, needless to say, is extremely intriguing and important.
The book is more special in a sense that, from my experience, it is SINCERELY written and is PACKED with VALUABLE information. It contains no theories and no wishful thinking.
Of course you do not need to believe. I myself have never believed. And I am not religious. Haven't people killed millions others in the name of God because they have stopped thinking in their blind faith? I want to know for sure, without any trace of blind faith.
But before my speaking further, you should really read the book. Please tell me what you think of it then, either by posting on the forum or writing to my e-mail at vesselinpeev@hotmail.com. I would be very glad to discuss it with you. I have studied the book for 3 years, but there are still some issues I have to clarify for myself. There is a discussion forum about this book and another book written by Tom Chalko, a Melbourne scientist, founder of Bioresonant, at www.thiaoouba.com. And please do not be prejudiced about the book. Think. Just think. If you do not understand something, that's OK, but please do not discard the information. Try to comprehend difficult things later, and see if it makes sense.
The book was a life-changer for me. When I read it first in summer 1998, at age 19, I wept over some of the pages. I had already become sick of the meanness, duplicity, envy and ignorance (among many other vices) of the majority of people around me, and I had too many questions jumping in my mind. People call themselves "adults," but now I see most of them are no more so that the members of a kindergarten. Also, I was not satisfied with the philosophical thought of our civilization because I always found contradictions in any philosophical work. I am currently taking a second course in philosophy in my university, and have found that professors evade tough and contradictory issues in the philosophical texts.
I have drawn inspiration from "Thiaoouba Prophecy" to perfect my life in every possible respect. That is no hyperbole. I am doing yoga, meditation, concentration, and striving to enhance both my professional and spiritual abilities on a daily basis. I have found that it is easier to develop than not to do so, given the right frame of mind. I am not dogmatic and am always open to different views. I have stopped getting angry for any reason. I can give you a list of many things that I have changed or am changing at the moment.
Now, in relation to spiritual development, I admire Robert for what he is and where he's heading to.
Think about what would become if only people similar to Robert populated the Earth. Life would be very close to paradise, wouldn't it? So why not act now and turn dreams into reality. Why doesn't more of us become exemplary human beings? We've received enough guidance. Now it is high time we finally acted. I know and feel deep in my heart this is possible. One just has to be very careful, patient and persistent, and working in the right direction.
You must not think that after I read this book I have stopped searching for other information.
I am striving to think logically all the time (I'm a computer programmer), and continually trying to enhance my understanding of Nature. In a great effort to find contradictions, I have read numerous books since, as well as examined many documents on the Internet. I found Robert Bruce's web site at roughly the same time I first read the book, and was fascinated by the truthfulness of it all. By the way, I've recently found specific sentences and key words from Robert's description of his entering the Akashic Records in "Astral Dynamics" to correspond very closely to Michel's doing so in his book, aided by the aliens. But that is another story. Michel's book was written in 1989, Astral Dynamics in 1998. Make your conclusions. [Note: I'm not implying Robert copied from anyone; on the contrary, I'm sure it constitutes proof such experience are similar and real]
The book is extremely intelligently written. Have in mind that this guy Michel has just a basic education -- primary school or something like that. In an interview several years ago, some scientists had attacked him with accusations that the book's contents was simply too fantastic and that he conjured it all up. He told them to try to prove with all their instruments just a single fact to be false. They couldn't and they are searching to this very day. Perhaps that is where the 1000$ reward given on the site originated from. I do not see anything bad in this -- maybe it's just a stimulus for some people. Also, the money are not that much, and they are clearly not intended for "hidden" lucrative purposes.
I'll point out that based on exact information in the book, physicist Tom Chalko discovered Bioresonant clothing, which works indeed -- I can attest to that!
The message of the people of Thiaoouba is extremely subtle but its significance is not realized at all at the moment (February 1, 2001) except by few people on the planet. People tend to think that if the message is so important, it should be turned into something like TV advertisement. But that's not the way. All great things come in subtle "clothing." They need to be recognized for what they are, and not for how they look. What counts is not appearances but what is behind them.
Unfortunately, I have no friends which are interested in the matter.
Best wishes,
Vesko
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It will hilight them for you.
-Vesko
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2003, 17:18:28
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2003, 17:18:28
I would love to pick up a copy of this book. Can I order it through any bookstore or does it have to be purchased from the website?
I have come to many of the same conclusions you have come to from my observations about our world, or what little I know of it. Is war really going to solve anything? Of course not. Some countries have been fighting for hundreds or even thousands of years, and over what? Materialistic matters, mostly, or "religious" intolerance.
It has been my desire to break away from this society. I've tried to help people, but I cannot help people if they do not want to be helped. And they cannot help me. People, in reality, can only help themselves. So that's what I'm doing. Helping myself. Reading Thoreau and Emerson's ideas about society started me thinking for myself. They are right on. Thoreau for his thoughts on civil disobedience, and Emerson for his many writings about nature and connectivity. I liked his essay entitled Self-Reliance. The english teacher I had at the time, who introduced me to these transcendentalists, was brilliant. He fulfilled the purpose of what I believe English exists for- to get people to think. Writing resumes and reports should be taught in other classes. Teachers waste so much time teaching their students how to write a decent research paper that no one is ever going to read, or they spend time talking about not-so-important issues. A good English teacher/professor will encourage students to use their brains and think outside of the mentality which society is trying to breed people to use- sheep mentality.
Forming these communities might work, but it would be hard to do. I thought about building a starship which I would allow only individuals wiht a higher sort of mentality to board. I had help from someone who gave me some ideas about how to make one which was cheap, reliable, and relatively easy to build. The problem was finding technologies for propelling the ship. I actually made blueprints, but they were based off of an airship I had designed about a year earlier. The ship would have had a supercomputer with the each country's complete versoin of history of earth, in all languages.
But I came to a realization. Even if I did manage to make such a colony ship, it would not be possible to keep people from uprising and rebelling. I think people would see it as a prison of sorts. And there's that disorder that some people have concerning a lack of sunlight. If they don't have the sun they could go crazy. It would be really important to first learn how to terraform uninhabited planets so that we could choose a destination and go there. This will likely take thousands of years.
The reason for this starship was similar to your reason of forming communities. I wanted to escape the destruction of mankind. But I realize that wherever there are people, there will be evil, for each person has free will and is able to make their own decisions no matter how much you try to condition them to obey. Plus, what if someone took over an entire planet that we made habitable? That would be a lot of people cursing my name for having brought them there. There would be so much suffering. It is better that we are on one planet where we can stop things like this from happening without as much of a problem.
Maybe in the future, when technology gets to the point where we have the option of planet-hopping in spontaniety, we will be able to live on different planets and have all the resources we need. Then there will be no reason to fight. Not that one needs a reason to fight someone else.
I'M NOT DONE YET. I will continue with this discussion later, I have to get to class.
I have come to many of the same conclusions you have come to from my observations about our world, or what little I know of it. Is war really going to solve anything? Of course not. Some countries have been fighting for hundreds or even thousands of years, and over what? Materialistic matters, mostly, or "religious" intolerance.
It has been my desire to break away from this society. I've tried to help people, but I cannot help people if they do not want to be helped. And they cannot help me. People, in reality, can only help themselves. So that's what I'm doing. Helping myself. Reading Thoreau and Emerson's ideas about society started me thinking for myself. They are right on. Thoreau for his thoughts on civil disobedience, and Emerson for his many writings about nature and connectivity. I liked his essay entitled Self-Reliance. The english teacher I had at the time, who introduced me to these transcendentalists, was brilliant. He fulfilled the purpose of what I believe English exists for- to get people to think. Writing resumes and reports should be taught in other classes. Teachers waste so much time teaching their students how to write a decent research paper that no one is ever going to read, or they spend time talking about not-so-important issues. A good English teacher/professor will encourage students to use their brains and think outside of the mentality which society is trying to breed people to use- sheep mentality.
Forming these communities might work, but it would be hard to do. I thought about building a starship which I would allow only individuals wiht a higher sort of mentality to board. I had help from someone who gave me some ideas about how to make one which was cheap, reliable, and relatively easy to build. The problem was finding technologies for propelling the ship. I actually made blueprints, but they were based off of an airship I had designed about a year earlier. The ship would have had a supercomputer with the each country's complete versoin of history of earth, in all languages.
But I came to a realization. Even if I did manage to make such a colony ship, it would not be possible to keep people from uprising and rebelling. I think people would see it as a prison of sorts. And there's that disorder that some people have concerning a lack of sunlight. If they don't have the sun they could go crazy. It would be really important to first learn how to terraform uninhabited planets so that we could choose a destination and go there. This will likely take thousands of years.
The reason for this starship was similar to your reason of forming communities. I wanted to escape the destruction of mankind. But I realize that wherever there are people, there will be evil, for each person has free will and is able to make their own decisions no matter how much you try to condition them to obey. Plus, what if someone took over an entire planet that we made habitable? That would be a lot of people cursing my name for having brought them there. There would be so much suffering. It is better that we are on one planet where we can stop things like this from happening without as much of a problem.
Maybe in the future, when technology gets to the point where we have the option of planet-hopping in spontaniety, we will be able to live on different planets and have all the resources we need. Then there will be no reason to fight. Not that one needs a reason to fight someone else.
I'M NOT DONE YET. I will continue with this discussion later, I have to get to class.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2003, 19:59:46
Post by: Anonymous on March 31, 2003, 19:59:46
Now, let's see, where was I? Oh yes. So building a starship, I believe, wouldn't work at this time because of our serious lack of much-needed technology. We'd need to be able to get people on and off the ship quickly and keep the wrong kinds of people from boarding. Not only that, but even if we do end up with the perfect group of people, who's to say future generations won't ruin things for everyone else? The fact of the matter is, people have free will. Just because you bring them up in a certain type of environment does not mean that they will conform or come to the same conclusions about existence. All (or at least most) humans go through a stage where they question their spirituality. This stage is both dangerous yet necessary in order to discover the Truth (whatever it is). It is a stage in which we are attacked or taken advantage of by negative entities and demons. I will say that having an environment that encourages an individual to be themselves and explore, yet also teach self-discipline, honor/virtue, respect for others, etc. is very helpful and does have a big influence. If an individual has a problem with the society, they should be encouraged to speak out about the problem they see, and someone can talk to them about it. But the individual should be encouraged to form their own opinion and not to necessarily agree with the society's views. If they can point out why something is wrong, maybe a positive change can be made to the society to correct the problem.
There is way too much for one person to cover here. Way too many things for one person to explain and/or keep track of. So I will leave you with these thoughts. Maybe you might find them of use as relating to your community. I understand the differences between your vision and mine- you want to make the world a better place. I wanted to establish a better world and start over. But I realized my idea would fail because we are all bound to each other. Running away from a problem won't fix it. Understanding it will lead to a solution.
There is way too much for one person to cover here. Way too many things for one person to explain and/or keep track of. So I will leave you with these thoughts. Maybe you might find them of use as relating to your community. I understand the differences between your vision and mine- you want to make the world a better place. I wanted to establish a better world and start over. But I realized my idea would fail because we are all bound to each other. Running away from a problem won't fix it. Understanding it will lead to a solution.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on April 01, 2003, 15:25:30
Post by: bomohwkl on April 01, 2003, 15:25:30
I tended to use OBE as running away of reality. Now, I know I am here in physical body for a reason and one earth and in this period of time for some reasons.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on April 01, 2003, 15:29:20
Post by: bomohwkl on April 01, 2003, 15:29:20
"Maybe in the future, when technology gets to the point where we have the option of planet-hopping in spontaniety, we will be able to live on different planets and have all the resources we need. Then there will be no reason to fight. Not that one needs a reason to fight someone else."
Giggle.....giggle [:P]
How about maybe in the future, when we are so spiritually advanced to the point that we can create whatever we want just by mind concentration? There will be no reason to fight for resources.
Giggle.....giggle [:P]
How about maybe in the future, when we are so spiritually advanced to the point that we can create whatever we want just by mind concentration? There will be no reason to fight for resources.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2003, 16:12:39
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2003, 16:12:39
Sounds good to me. How about starting up these communities ASAP? Count me in.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: bomohwkl on April 03, 2003, 14:04:18
Post by: bomohwkl on April 03, 2003, 14:04:18
I hope it can be created ASAP. But a delicious and beautifully decorated cakes require time and planning.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2003, 16:37:28
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2003, 16:37:28
I do not know how much time we have (at least, here in the USA), but I'd like to get out of here before our government becomes the Big Brother of George Orwell's "1984." Bush has no idea how much of an idiot he is. He is also a victim here. What the Bush administration doesn't seem to realize is that since they are treaterous people (most of them, anyway), it's only a matter of time before they find themselves in prison because of someone else's greed. They'll turn on each other. The system WILL fail and anarchy WILL take place. I'm an anarchist myself because I believe that there is no system which is perfect. The smartest and most cunning of people are the ones who will end up in power, good or evil. It is highly important to develop supreme intelligence and dilligence. What we're dealing with here is a flock of sheep and people who desire to control them. A flock of sheep in a panicked stampede can be a very dangerous thing. This is why people must be educated about the fact that they are truly responsible for themselves. We all are. Those who live by the sword, die by the sword. Betray and you shall be betrayed. Bush is a very dangerous man. He may not be criminally insane, but he's in no way intelligent. The fact that he graduated from some big-shot Ivy League university does not mean that he meets the qualifications of his job. We all know his parents were rich. They probably paid to have his transcripts edited. I go to a state college and I feel I've learned a lot here (mostly outside of class). The people at this college are typical middle-class American citizens, most of whom are caucasian. I do find it strange that there are not as many people here with different ethnicities, but I've seen a few. I am just glad I did not go to a private school with would-be classmates who've had their minds warped by their right-winged parents.
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: vesselinpeev on July 01, 2004, 15:34:49
Post by: vesselinpeev on July 01, 2004, 15:34:49
There's a new forum dedicated to the discussion of "Thiaoouba Prophecy" and "Abduction to the Ninth Planet" by Michel Desmarquet, found at http://www.goldenplanetforum.com .
Title: the thiaoouba prophecy
Post by: rodentmouse on July 02, 2002, 07:49:16
Post by: rodentmouse on July 02, 2002, 07:49:16
has anyone been to www.thiaoouba.com and downloaded "the thiaoouba prophecy"??? its based on a mans account that he was abductd by spiritually advanced aliens and told him the point to existence and the history and secrets of this planet.... its kinda like a cult bible but theres a lot of truth in it, and imo more understandable and "user friendly" than what the religions are trying to say today...
there is also "the freedom of choice" you can get aswell, The author; Tom Chalko attempts to deconstruct the meaning of existence and encourages to the reader to aswell.
both books are brilliant and free for download!! the site is good too!
there is also "the freedom of choice" you can get aswell, The author; Tom Chalko attempts to deconstruct the meaning of existence and encourages to the reader to aswell.
both books are brilliant and free for download!! the site is good too!