Has anyone heard of the Ummites? I read about them years ago during a UFO exhibition I was involved with.
It's one of those things that has probably slipped under the radar for people interested in aliens and consciousness.. reality etc. Makes for an interesting read.
Ssaxx!!!! I would love to read your thoughts on the equations and science behind it.
Nobody knows for certain whether the Ummite letters were faked... other than the fact many very clever people would have been needed to create such a feat of fakery. here's an experpt from the website.
Ummites? What's that?
To better understand the story behind the Ummite letters (pronounced Oummites), some background is needed.
The Ummites claim to have landed on Earth in March 1950, in the area of Digne. Three crafts brought a crew from the planet UMMO that set up a base (see the summary in the book by J-P PETIT), probably on the Peak of Blache, between Digne and La Javie, in the south of France. They spent a certain time analysing our habits, walked around Paris (and undoubtedly elsewhere), and avoided drawing attention to themselves. In 1965, Mr. Fernando SESMA, the organiser of a slightly esoteric Spanish "association " which claimed to be in contact with other extraterrestrials, begins receiving letters. Other recipients also receive some. Contact is lost in 1970, then is regained in 1987, and continues until 1993 (at least, we do not have letters possibly sent outside these periods) with other recipients, particularly in France. We currently have approximately 200 to 300 pages of texts written by the Ummites but it is possible that many other letters exist. In a 1988 letter, reference is made to the existence of 3,850 pages, copies of which having been sent to several individuals represent the equivalent of 160,000 pages!
Reading this, you are undoubtedly at least somewhat incredulous. It is to be expected. What is more difficult to dismiss is the body of information contained within these texts when one takes the trouble of reading them. To be sure, one will always be able to object that these letters are the creation of a group of scientists wanting to launch the basis of a new theory in the form of "a hoax". But a hoax lasting for more than thirty years, without any of the participants having one day come forward to say "We really had you going. Well, it was us... "? We do not believe it. So what other likely scenarios remain?
Since 1975 (?), a French scientist, J-P PETIT has been aware of the existence of these texts. The information contained within them has allowed him, by his own admission, to establish various theories concerning magnetohydrodynamic propulsion (MHD), shockwave elimination at supersonic speeds, the basis of a new "tetravalent" mathematics and the modelling and the calculation of a twin universe, a theory which, if accepted by the scientific community, has the potential to fundamentally change our current vision of the universe, especially since it addresses one of the weaknesses of the current model: missing mass.
But these letters do not only deal with astrophysics. They also give important information on the Ummite design of the Universes (we have one word, they have five) and their components, on religion, evolution, network theory, information technology, the operation of their craft, etc.
In these letters, more than 400 words, mathematical algorithms, algebraic relations, and a great number of symbols were used by the Ummites who were kind enough to give the translation of certain terms. You will find the translations in this compilation. Unfortunately, without the knowledge of Ummite grammar or verbs (if they exist in their language), it is currently impossible to provide a comprehensive linguistic analysis.
Why was this work of compilation and editing done? We realized how difficult it would be to fully understand Ummite thought and the concepts advanced, by virtue of the necessity of referring to different letters, sometimes difficult to find, often poorly presented and which contain paragraphs having nothing to do with the original subject, thus making their reading very difficult. The concepts were gathered in a logical reading order which is:
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read on.. it's fascinating if not entertaining to say the least...
http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/a002.htm
Man...I love this stuff so much that I hate it. Nothing like a great mystery and having to admit to myself that I ain't gots no clue how to unfigure dem out.
Great ego buster, and it reminds me of a mystery that has been running in some university's newspaper here in the states for forty years now. There is even a large reward to someone who can decipher the code.
Bedeekin all my life i have been very ignorant on UFO and extraterrestrials i think i may delve deeper into the rabbit hole ;) :wink:
And he will point out that the compact appearance of the chrome-plated object is illusory since the atomic nuclei are as separate from each other as the Stars of a Galaxy.
It's so exciting looking at things from a different perspective... We see what looks solid, but there is actually soooooo much space! This is an exciting read :)
I do get very skeptic about things like this, but I am enjoying nonetheless.
Edit: :D
And although the human mind cannot visualise a body of more than three dimensions, mathematics makes it possible to overcome this mental hurdle.
I like this already
Is this the same race of beings that were supposed to come out of that mountain in Southern France on Dec 21st 2012?
I will definitely have to read some more on this. Thank You for the link! :-)
There are so many different races that who knows, Ummites just might be one of them. :wink:
I'll read this later, time allowing.
One name I'll say to read on immediately came to mind.
Wilbert Smith 1950. Important in the west...
His communication with colleagues is worth reading.
Its all bad... Are you talking about the Voynich manuscript?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript
I have read through the entire website and was originally blown away by it. The science behind it is well ahead of the time it was written... especially about atoms and their description...
"THE REAL WAAM AND THE "ILLUSORY" WAAM UNIVERSE).
It is very difficult for the OEMII (man, by extension human, by another extension "intelligent living being) to have a true perception of the real nature of the Physical World which surrounds us. Apparently the mental images we have made for ourselves of this Medium which surrounds us can lead us to conclude in error that the Physical World is as we " see ", " touch " or " feel " it.
But a careful analysis by the scientists of UMMO as well as by Earth scientists, and those of other Galactic civilisations (possessing a certain degree of culture) revealed that our WAAM is not as our senses normally perceive it. So: the vivid colours we enjoy looking at a flower garden are but a beautiful psychological perception. There is no chromatic richness that exists outside of us. Only a range of electromagnetic frequencies remains as the last substratum of perception.
The OEMII is the only being of the WAAM that goes beyond the limits of its own organism to understand the world, and it uses the spirit to this end as an intellectual means, since our bodily senses, nervous system and cortical mechanisms of synthesis and psychological perception completely distort reality.
Let us see for an example how our physiological bodies " distort " the truth by masking things in beautiful clothing, without which our WAAM (universe), viewed as is, would come across as nothing but a cold succession of IBOZOO UU out of phase with each other. (we will explain this concept shortly)
When you take for example a cigarette lighter between your fingers, you are aware that it is THERE: cold, shiny.
" It " is thus THERE, between your index and thumb... it is not a fiction: it EXISTS ". But this lighter is nothing but a simple perception.
The physicists of OYAGAA (the planet squared: the Earth ) could tell you more about this simple pocket lighter. They would say for example that you are not actually touching it, in spite of your sensory perception, since there is of large relative distance between the metal atoms and the electronic clouds of the atoms of the skin covering your fingers.
Perhaps a layman would timidly object if this small piece of metal is not touching his skin, it is impossible to hold it and that it should then " fall to the ground ". But the Earth scientist will speak to him about Force fields, Tensors, Repulsions between negative electric charges.
He will suggest that the metal's low temperature produces this cold sensation and that it is the consequence of the low amplitude of the vibration of its molecules compared to those of the skin.
And he will point out that the compact appearance of the chrome-plated object is illusory since the atomic nuclei are as separate from each other as the Stars of a Galaxy.
An Earth expert in physiological optics will say to you that the real brightness of the object is about ten times larger than the apparent brightness, but that, when the light crosses our eye, the crystalline lens and the vitreous humour absorb almost all the photons, and so only a very reduced luminous energy arrives at the retina.
An Earth physician will smile if you ask him how the light (of the flame) arrives at the cerebral cortex, and he will explain why the light never arrives at the brain, but rather that the photons, when striking the retina, induce codified impulses which are transmitted by the neurons of the optic nerve in the form of an electric message, in the form of a code, so that the resemblance between the butane flame and the message our brain receives from the retina is the same as that between a grazing cow and the letters that make up its name.
And finally a neuropsychiatrist will tell you in very vague terms (for he himself does not know many steps of the process) how the brain combines the millions of codified impulses into one synthesised perception. The only image we have of the mysterious lighter and the flame which exist apart from us is a sensory illusion.
Indeed: such an image of the lighter, however familiar it may be to us, has as much in common with the true object as the letters D-A-F-F-O-D-I-L have with the plant they designate (they = these letters ndt).
The OEMII (the man) must thus rid himself of these mental images ingrained since childood, about things, colours, sounds etc... Beings of every social group we have encountered, connected to various OYAA (Planets) with which we have been in contact, and including us, you the OEMII of the Earth and we the OEMII of Ummo, realised this was necessary, and gradually scientists from various civilisations are bringing to light the true basis of our WAAM. Where are humans on this scale? Does the mathematical model of the Universe put forward by Earth physicists, with its relativity theory, quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics an accurate description of the truth ? By presenting our WAAM theory to you, you will be able to judge the differences for yourselves. We observed that the OEMII (the man) of OYAGAA (Earth) which you call " man on the street " not initiated to Earth physics, has a very primitive concept of space and the universe we call WAAM."
Actually.. upon reading My Big TOE I found great similarities. The description of reality within the texts is brilliant.
These have obviously been debunked again and again.. .not proved as debunked but rather classed in the same league as Adamski's claims. If you were to run a search on the Ummites you would find that it is suggested that Maurice Viton (the guy who claimed he received these letters over years) fabricated them himself. Rather than be dissuaded because of this, put aside the stuff written on them and read them at face value... so cool.
Here's an interesting article that describes the Ummite philosophy having much greater reaching influence over european science than originally thought...
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/news/ufo_extraterrestrials/2011/11/25/1917.html
Lionheart... you talking about the place people were flocking to in Dec?....Pic de Burgarac or something like that?
It's called the May Day Mystery. Here's a link.
http://www.maydaymystery.org/mayday/
It's way too cryptic for me. But I spent a few weeks checking it out here and there and got no where. It's no where near as old as I remembered.
Edit: I just looked up the Voynich manuscript and realized I had already seen a doc about that. These letters and that book are far more interesting then the May Day mystery though.
Haha... They are aren't they... only because of the time they were written though.
That Mayday mystery went right over my head. :lol:
Man...the potential of these letters to be true is astounding.
The part of evolution was the easiest to understand and had the most potential to be verified. The past about continental drift makes so much sense.
Fake or not, the author's must have been brilliant.
Exactly... you can read out the alien connection or read into it... either way it's just damn interesting.
Many people have stated that although they may be faked... the theory is in itself way ahead of its time.
If you read the piece about how reality is constructed and viewed by a type of angle... it is very suggestive of a description multiple dimensions.
I'm sure there have been thousands of people studying this.
I haven't even hit you up with John Titor yet... the time traveller. :-D
I know I completely misunderstood their analogy but the way they described our inherent ability to not see space and time as it truly is sounds demeaning but so true.
The most I could imagine was a cube where all the sides represented a dimension. From Each corner, a line that also represented every dimension would cross to connect to another corner. What you have after doing this with every corner, is the inside of the cube filled with intersections which represents the "place" where all these dimensions meet to create our reality.
Each angle created by the intersection of the dimensions is a specific moment in time. This means that the past, present, and future would all exist at once since time is not exactly a dimension but an intersection of the dimensions.
As a surveyor, it blew my mind that they were stupefied at our inability to denote a significance with in the angles. But then again, there are no angles within any of our models of space and time.
Quote from: Bedeekin on February 21, 2013, 11:26:39
Exactly... you can read out the alien connection or read into it... either way it's just damn interesting.
Absolutely... Why I'm enjoying it so much! Brilliant :D
There's two things that stand out so far.
The technology they refused giving is one subject I've already commented on and the fact that manking is not ready for it is my answer too. Nuclear power generation is an example. Bombs... This technology if correctly made and cryogenics added would damage the galaxy we exist in.
The other point mentioned is the phase angle of existance in 3D. I had a difficult time explaining a fourth dimension to a small group of initiates in our art. I eventually explained the extra dimension utilising a set of blinds. The ones found at windows.
I'll continue reading.
Fascinating!
Quote from: Szaxx on February 22, 2013, 06:15:22
There's two things that stand out so far.
The technology they refused giving is one subject I've already commented on and the fact that manking is not ready for it is my answer too. Nuclear power generation is an example. Bombs... This technology if correctly made and cryogenics added would damage the galaxy we exist in.
The other point mentioned is the phase angle of existance in 3D. I had a difficult time explaining a fourth dimension to a small group of initiates in our art. I eventually explained the extra dimension utilising a set of blinds. The ones found at windows.
I'll continue reading.
Doesn't he use a dragonfly analogy to describe the angle of viewing? I read it so long ago. I might have to get sucked back into it again.
Quote from: Szaxx on February 22, 2013, 06:15:22
There's two things that stand out so far.
The technology they refused giving is one subject I've already commented on and the fact that manking is not ready for it is my answer too. Nuclear power generation is an example. Bombs... This technology if correctly made and cryogenics added would damage the galaxy we exist in.
The other point mentioned is the phase angle of existance in 3D. I had a difficult time explaining a fourth dimension to a small group of initiates in our art. I eventually explained the extra dimension utilising a set of blinds. The ones found at windows.
I'll continue reading.
A reasonable person will look at this and say it's convenient for both the Ummites or a hoaxer to say that the science is too advanced for us to grasp at even an elementary level and therefore any attempt will not begin to come close to conveying the true complexity. That could be the truth but....The Ummites can look at where we are wrong and what we are missing and then explain the smallest reasons one by one. Then point by point we can begin to comprehend the science so that we aren't trying to do calculus with only a mastery of arithmetic.
But even though the Ummites knew their attempt in giving us some sort of example would be in vain, they still gave it a try. When even our most advanced mathematicians and physicists failed to understand their example, it conveniently affirmed the Ummite's or the hoaxer's warning about our inability to comprehend the science.
Then consider their philosophical and ethical reasoning for not correcting our science step by step and it too becomes convenient for both. The truth is that we always exploit every breakthrough large or small in our sciences and look for ways to militarize the new knowledge. For a species that insists on killing each other at every turn, it makes ethical sense to not give us this tech and knowledge.
It is only possible to prove or disprove anything within our current limit of understanding a given subject. We know for certain and without the shadow of any logical or illogical doubt that yesterday has already happened and is in our past. But only because we are incapable of understanding it to be true in any other way, we consider it crazy to even contemplate another circumstance. This, I believe, is the definition of a belief trap.
Isn't convenience inconvenient at times?
Yes its conveniently inconvenient.
If we look at magnetism and what we know. Its an alignment of 1 electron in the atomic mix. The atomic weight of 102 approx is required or no magnetism (permanent).
The idea of protons neutrons and electrons is too old to utilise in say, the wave structure of matter theory.
Ill find an example of this 'retained' technology or at least a pointer of its magnitude.
I know of one incident from the 60's but will find a suitable link to share.
Still reading, slowly at present, large family, work...
This is genuine. I remember it on the news and have seen some photos of the nails. They're probably on the internet somewhere.
http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=145996
I used to repair sets from that time too. The U.K. version PAL system not NTSC.
A self feeding magnetic amplifier with its output directly into the input.
As an idea these sets used the same power as a couple of lights. Most of this went heating the myriads of valves (tubes).
It's apparently real...
I found this , its on the home planet of these beings , and there space craft . If I under stand this people riding in there space craft are sourned with a gelly , not for the claustrophobic http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_ummites04.htm desert rat
Quote from: Bedeekin on February 21, 2013, 11:26:39
Exactly... you can read out the alien connection or read into it... either way it's just damn interesting.
Many people have stated that although they may be faked... the theory is in itself way ahead of its time.
If you read the piece about how reality is constructed and viewed by a type of angle... it is very suggestive of a description multiple dimensions.
I'm sure there have been thousands of people studying this.
I haven't even hit you up with John Titor yet... the time traveller. :-D
I read quite a bit about John Titor today as well as watch a couple of videos. I think it's a pretty neat story but I believe the de-bunkers have done a more than acceptable job of disproving it. What do you think? Is there any info in particular that makes you say let's wait and see or do you not believe it yourself but just like the tale?
On John Titor , he said nothing on the events of 9/11/2001 , but did predict of events that have not happned , so he was either form another time line , or just making events up . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor desert rat
Quote from: desert-rat on February 23, 2013, 11:13:26
On John Titor , he said nothing on the events of 9/11/2001 , but did predict of events that have not happned , so he was either form another time line , or just making events up . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor desert rat
Many of predictions have passed unfulfilled. No one bats a thousand but .109 is less than random chance. No to mention that with our current scientific direction,it will take centuries before we even know we have it all wrong. This travel-tech would have to either be from the future-future (I kill myself) or alien origin.
Yeah... Titor's claims are purely interesting. I read the forum threads he was involved in and I was impressed with his responses...or maybe their responses.
I was entertained by Titor and meant you to have a look purely from an entertaining angle. Still nice story wise.
Quote from: Bedeekin on February 23, 2013, 13:22:48
Yeah... Titor's claims are purely interesting. I read the forum threads he was involved in and I was impressed with his responses...or maybe their responses.
I was entertained by Titor and meant you to have a look purely from an entertaining angle. Still nice story wise.
Where did you find his threads? Are they still there?
9/11 is a date I didn't know. The missing buildings I did. This was in 1975.
Its for another time. Ill need someone on linked in to contact the person to verify this. He left for America shortly after to the best of my knowledge...
Back on topic.
The dragonfly representation and the maths below.
Easy to understand, in fact very easy.
Ill.use the black box analogy.
We are given 3 black boxes where we pass X (energy or even you walking) through them. They all have 1 in portal and 1 out portal.
Each box has a resistance to X passing through and a reactance (this is a reaction to X in its travels and will be different if say the walking speed is fast or slow).
Digressions, from the film Dune, its the slow blade that gets through the shield. The fast ones bounce off.
Back, this reactance is dependant upon that passing and is NOT linear.
If we lay our boxes in a line connecting the out of one to the in of the next we get 3 different sets of rules for each.
If we simply add the resistance value and the reactance value of each box we get a number indicating the total disruption.
This can NEVER work. It's too simple and we have a reaction that can aid the X travelling through.
Digressions, we walk along a road at 5 MPH,if the road is 5 miles long it takes 1 hour. If this road is reactive say an uphill climb more energy is needed to travel its length. This will slow us down. However if the road was an escalator it slows the speed of walking but as its a moving road it speeds up the time taken.
Back, to calculate these effects whats done is to add the resistance and the calculated reactance together, then multiply the value obtained by itself. Effectively square it.
This is done for each box. The value of X will naturally be the same for all boxes.
Once we have all 3 boxes calculated the 3 squared numbers are again added together then this total is square rooted.
I used 3 boxes in this example. Any number could be worked out N boxes. Add them all up once calculated and square root this number.
The value left WILL be EXACTLY the same if you did it for real.
This is represented by the equation shown.
I'll continue reading and putting it into an understandable form (I hope).
This is the first I have seen of this material...
It reminds me a bit of a "channeled" set of manuscripts from a group supposedly called the "Urantia".
This particular case is interesting though... I haven't hit the definite red flag that I am looking for to cement this one as a hoax. I don't think it is real, just on principle, but the people who put this one together were pretty sharp... at least a few of them must have been mathematicians or physicists, and they devoted a sizable portion of their life to this.
Whatever hand wrote these (be it what they are claimed to be or otherwise), they are a pleasure to read, and it doesn't feel like wasted time at all.
Just maybe they are real, but that seems like a long bet to me; but I think I will read a fair amount of it, if only as a mental exercise, because the perspective is rich.
Quote from: Szaxx on February 22, 2013, 18:57:25
This is genuine. I remember it on the news and have seen some photos of the nails. They're probably on the internet somewhere.
http://www.videokarma.org/showthread.php?t=145996
I used to repair sets from that time too. The U.K. version PAL system not NTSC.
A self feeding magnetic amplifier with its output directly into the input.
As an idea these sets used the same power as a couple of lights. Most of this went heating the myriads of valves (tubes).
It's apparently real...
Are you saying the effect is real in these certain tv sets? That's amazing if so. What about the child's death' was that ever confirmed?
As far as memory serves the production was stopped. This set was removed and thoroughly examined.
I'll try and find a news clip or similar.
Im not sure of the unfortunate carnage. The report itself did speak of him.
In the evolution section, I came across a scenario that the Ummites used to illustrate how cells use different gravitational waves to help understand the external environment. In the story, I found some tell-tell signs of this part, at least, being a hoax. The Ummite story is in italics and my reasoning is in normal font. The part that makes me question this is in bold italics. There are too many letters over the years so just because one is proven false doesn't mean that they all are.
Suppose that in some country on Earth, a very technologically-developed country, a company builds an airplane factory. a This company has a massive research and development budget, giving its management free rein to develop programs its smaller competitors could never afford. Having these extraordinary means at their disposal, the management and workers embark upon an ambitious project. This new program consists in conducting a wide-ranging study of all existing technological methods of production.
They build thousands of wind tunnels, Metallography labs occupying dozens of buildings, information archives connected to all the research centers on the Planet, and hundreds of thousands of engineers, physicists and electronics specialists are contacted for their assistance (such a project is a pure fiction; it could never happen as we are describing it here).[/b]
This is only describing the internet and the mobilization of manpower and resources. Granted it is on a HUGE scale but is not out of the realm of possible. Many people in the 1960's envisioned computer technology progressing to the internet in a realistic time frame. So why wouldn't an advanced alien species see that this too would be an eventuality? In my view, only a hoaxer would be this short-sided and call this scenario "pure fiction" even in relation to the huge scale.
They compile the blueprints and technical elements necessary for their production of ALL POSSIBLE MODELS OF AIRCRAFT.
You do not need to be a technician to understand the importance of such a project. It is impossible to calculate the billions of Models which would have to be drawn (that is why we told you that this project was pure fiction, taken as a didactic example).[/b]
Again, why would it be impossible to calculate all the possible combinations if we can link all the super computers together through the internet to tackle this large number? The need to call this pure fiction tells me this part is hoax.
Once the plans are drawn according to each particular need, aeronautical condition or navigation, computers compile the information into a smaller space.
Let us continue our story: one day one of the most modern delta wing models flies; it has a turbine engine for ceilings of up to 12 000 meters.
It is to fly over an enemy area where there are heat-seeking anti-aircraft missles which can detect the infra-red radiation coming out of the turbojets. The planes are destroyed one after the others, the survival of the aircraft is in danger. The environment is INCOMPATIBLE with " the species " [in biological terms NdT ].
But the engineers on the aircraft do not waste time. With their equipment, they see what is happening and break down the problem into distinct parts.
They see for example that the enemy missiles have parabolic reflectors inside their plastic warheads, that they do not emit high frequency waves and thus they are not designed to emit radar waves; they observe that the trajectories of the missiles are directed statistically towards their own plane. They discover, finally, that these missiles are equipped with very sensitive heat detectors.
Thus the design of the plane needs to undergo a mutation. But there is no time to build a prototype and test it.
That is when the massive project mentioned earlier comes to be applied in practice.
All that needs to be done is to consult the central memory to obtain a prototype of as-good performance, similar to the existing model, but having some kind of shell to protect the exhaust conduit and reduce the amount of fateful infra-red radiation emitted.
The plans of the new model already exist, and the construction will be much easier.
That's it really. I know it's not much but doesn't this seem like the inability of a hoaxer to see that this technology was rapidly approaching. An advanced alien species certainly would have recognized this and would not feel the need to call it "pure fiction". Even if they were making a jab at our inability to cooperate on a large project like this. I also understand that the Ummites were probably talking about this scenario taking place during the time the letter was written. But since the technology that this scenario would need to operate smoothly was only a few decades away, I still couldn't see them saying this was pure fiction.
I don't know that we could do anything like that today even though, in the metaphor's terms.
We are not capable of calculating all possible models of plane, even with all the computers in the world in concert... there would be trillions of trillions (probably a much larger number even, depending on how you distinguish what amount of difference defines a different model), and that is assuming we even know the rules for what makes a plane possible or not, which we likely don't for the finest points of distinction.
It might take a computer the size of a solar system to carry out such a calculation...
I don't think recognizing the absurdity of that particular task makes the material a hoax automatically; I don't think the internet is a fair approximation of the task either... the internet is orders of magnitude simpler.
But yes... surely there must be something in the material that dates it and points out obvious forgery...
Don't overdo the thought guys.
Evolution, thats a one word answer to solving the heat detection problem. The methods of war machines utilise this concept period.
As far as the masses of simultaneous calculations go,
1, database.
2, actual time.
3, required timespan.
4, answer.
This doesn't need explaining.
Simply, when I look forwards, that behind me is irrelevant.
This can be done on a calculator if its from two points known with the black box simplicity.
Yes, but I was addressing the metaphor of the plane schematics, not evolution which it was meant to describe, because that is where fault was found.
I love that this was written during the 60's.
I find new things about this every time I read it.
Quote from: desert-rat on February 22, 2013, 21:09:09
I found this , its on the home planet of these beings , and there space craft . If I under stand this people riding in there space craft are sourned with a gelly , not for the claustrophobic http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_ummites04.htm desert rat
haha... love it.
Quote from: Stillwater on February 23, 2013, 23:47:29
I don't know that we could do anything like that today even though, in the metaphor's terms.
We are not capable of calculating all possible models of plane, even with all the computers in the world in concert... there would be trillions of trillions (probably a much larger number even, depending on how you distinguish what amount of difference defines a different model), and that is assuming we even know the rules for what makes a plane possible or not, which we likely don't for the finest points of distinction.
It might take a computer the size of a solar system to carry out such a calculation...
I don't think recognizing the absurdity of that particular task makes the material a hoax automatically; I don't think the internet is a fair approximation of the task either... the internet is orders of magnitude simpler.
But yes... surely there must be something in the material that dates it and points out obvious forgery...
Hi Still. I see your point. If you look at a model and changed it by adding or taking away one bolt anywhere on it at random, this could technically be a new combination. But I don't think that would be an efficient way to handle all the data.
This new program consists in conducting a wide-ranging study of all existing technological methods of production.--This sentence tells me that the program could be attempted on a possible human scale. The combinations being generated would be ongoing as well as the project. This would exclude silly models or crazy ideas. And they could work with what they have at any given time.
I agree with you and I also think that this is not enough to call this a hoax(mostly because many a smarter professionals have read this and they did not take slight with this). But it sticks out like a neon light to me.
Still reading...
The hoax aspect.
The fact that a misinterpretation has occured suggests various possibilities.
If they were simpletons making use of technical discussions, Im sure it would have been worked out way back.
If this is a misinterpretation of the data supplied it follows that translation is suspect.
If it was a hoax by professionals would this simple misinterpretation exist?
If its actually real does it contain anything forward of the then present technology?
That's what I would think would stick out like a sore thumb... Something that at this time would be disproved.
I can also see the explanation taking form of SU2 or SU3 calculus (yuk). The planes that can be calculated out from a central reference point on an angle (vector) or phase difference from another one will intersect if their scalar values are high enough and in close proximity. The effects of intersecting 2D planes would be an expected nil as they have the same value of reference to each other at this point.
It's not making much sense.
It's very good though.
I haven't read that much, so much as skimmed so far, but the spirit of things if I have not misinterpreted it in my fast perusal, is that there are no actual vectors, but that distance is entirely a rotational phenomenon, an illusion formed from many dimensions of rotation... it is hard to fathom how that could be true...
Quote from: Stillwater on February 25, 2013, 13:21:23
I haven't read that much, so much as skimmed so far, but the spirit of things if I have not misinterpreted it in my fast perusal, is that there are no actual vectors, but that distance is entirely a rotational phenomenon, an illusion formed from many dimensions of rotation... it is hard to fathom how that could be true...
Well... they do say that! lol
The thing is the way it is written and described by the 'author' by its very nature disavows the ability to understand it.
It's sort of got something so right about it.. yet wrong at the same time.
I'm glad I made you all aware of it. :-D
It's based on their really simplified string of ordered same coloured dragonflies. Expand this to outer space and load in prioritised life sustaining planets each being on a different angle yet concatenated in their ordered way. The points each have in favour as an accordingly sized plane...
I suppose in reality this would require the central point we use as standard to be an Z axis directed towards us.
It gets too involved , thing is it requires 4 or more dimensions to be understood fully to even begin the actual complexity.
Wow its a damn good one...