The 'White Light' Trap???

Gman · February 20, 2005, 07:55:16

Hi,

Its nice to be back on this forum. I am wondering if anyone has witnessed this or has come to the same conclusions as me.
Would you be so kind to read my link......

http://neardeath.ipbhost.com/viewtopic.php?t=1762

Not everyone welcomes this subject

But go easy on me

Veccolo · February 20, 2005, 08:32:26

If you go into the golden light, what'll happen? Do you "merge" with the "source"?

Gman · February 20, 2005, 08:46:25

Veccolo,

Yes you do and I go into that detail if you read through the link.

However, the Golden light is an alternative and you probably wont reincarnate but this subject goes even deeper than the colours of these lights.

Veccolo · February 20, 2005, 09:17:05

You say we are a slave race. To whom are we slaves to?
What motivation do the beings to whom we are slaves to have?
What do they gain from us reincarnating here?

As those beings have designed the "soul catcher", they know about the possibility to merge with the source. Why do they not merge with the source?

I hope you don't misunderstand this form of "interrogaton" as an attack, I just try to know more about your theory.

Gman · February 20, 2005, 09:31:25

Veccolo,

My friend you are in the dark about this subject (as are 75% of humanity)

QuoteYou say we are a slave race. To whom are we slaves to?
What motivation do the beings to whom we are slaves to have?
What do they gain from it?

As those beings have designed the "soul catcher", they know about the possibility to merge with the source. Why do they not merge with the source?

1.There is an old saying, "The best slaves are the ones who don't realize they are slaves". Humanity has been used and manipulated since the dawn of time. We are slaves to the Governments who are run by the ruling bloodlines (see David Ickes Books for more info).

2.The Manipulators are NOT like us, They are Human in Form Only, but at the Soul level they are empty and exist purely in the Physical dimension and the Lower Astral.

3.They can only keep this Physical dimension together with OUR help and by dumbing us down we never find out what is really happening.

4.The White Light is a Tool used by them, There is no God just Pure Consciousness and this is how we create this reality. The Physical AND Astral dimensions are just Collective Illusions of our Group Consciousness.

5. The so called 'Source' (call it God or anything you like) is Pure Balance of our true Consciousness which is our true Home for the Soul.

CaCoDeMoN · February 20, 2005, 09:32:54

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You say we are a slave race. To whom are we slaves to?
What motivation do the beings to whom we are slaves to have?
What do they gain from us reincarnating here?

As those beings have designed the "soul catcher", they know about the possibility to merge with the source. Why do they not merge with the source?

Merging with the source = ultimate destruction.
I think that idea of being slaves is silly too. I am free now and enjoy this, escaping from existence by merging with source is an act of extreme weakness...

Gman · February 20, 2005, 09:35:02

CaCoDeMoN,

You Avatar and User Name says it all.

I rest my case

karnautrahl · February 20, 2005, 09:47:23

Gman, that last is not an arguement

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Veccolo · February 20, 2005, 09:56:16

Quote from: GmanVeccolo,

My friend you are in the dark about this subject (as are 75% of humanity)

Possible, that's why I asked the questions.

Quote1.There is an old saying, "The best slaves are the ones who don't realize they are slaves". Humanity has been used and manipulated since the dawn of time. We are slaves to the Governments who are run by the ruling bloodlines (see David Ickes Books for more info).

You know the books, so you can answer. No need for me to buy them.

What have the current governments to do with what happens after death?

Quote2.The Manipulators are NOT like us, They are Human in Form Only, but at the Soul level they are empty and exist purely in the Physical dimension and the Lower Astral.

They are still manifestations of the source, aren't they?

Quote3.They can only keep this Physical dimension together with OUR help and by dumbing us down we never find out what is really happening.

Why do they want to keep the physical dimension together? For the sake of manipulation alone?

Quote4.The White Light is a Tool used by them, There is no God just Pure Consciousness and this is how we create this reality. The Physical AND Astral dimensions are just Collective Illusions of our Group Consciousness.

So everything is conciousness. What makes the source consciousness better?

Quote5. The so called 'Source' (call it God or anything you like) is Pure Balance of our true Consciousness which is our true Home for the Soul.

If you merge with the source you'll become one with it, resulting in losing _your_ "true" consciousness. There will only be one sort of consciousness in the end, the one of the source.

The source consciousness doesn't seem to care about us, otherwise it would interfere, wouldn't it? Or is a completely balanced consciousness without all forms of polarity a passive consciousness which cannot act at all?

Gman · February 20, 2005, 10:32:22

Veccolo,

Yes it is basically a game of 'Polarities'-Positive and Negative.

You see at grass roots level a Human being is from the Positive polarity but our pure consciousness is pure balance.However, we need the negative to exist in the dimensions.

If you look at the structure of an atom it is mostly empty space but HAS polarities. Everything in our Universe has poles, from Planets down to Atoms.

QuoteThey are still manifestations of the source, aren't they?

NO NO NO they are not manifistations of the source. The source has no polarities, it is the Balance of all things.

QuoteWhy do they want to keep the physical dimension together? For the sake of manipulation alone

They only exist in polarity based realities. They are feeding on our fear and ignorance.

QuoteThe source consciousness doesn't seem to care about us, otherwise it would interfere, wouldn't it? Or is a completely balanced consciousness without all forms of polarity a passive consciousness which cannot act at all?

It is and people are waking up, not very long to go.

Veccolo · February 20, 2005, 11:54:30

Quote from: GmanNO NO NO they are not manifistations of the source. The source has no polarities, it is the Balance of all things.

If they are not from the source you talk about, where do they come from?

QuoteIt is and people are waking up, not very long to go.

So it is a totally passive, motionless, unchanging consciousness without any desires? Sounds like the source is dead.

Frank · February 20, 2005, 12:11:41

There is no God just Pure Consciousness and this is how we create this reality. The Physical AND Astral dimensions are just Collective Illusions of our Group Consciousness.

Yes, well, tell me something new. It's just your "paranoia" that separates us at a guess. :)

Yours,
Frank

Gman · February 20, 2005, 12:33:47

Veccolo,

You must be running out of questions pretty soon

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If they are not from the source you talk about, where do they come from?

they are from the Lower Astral which is from the Negative polarity. They manipulate us and manifest in this reality through a form of 'Possession' i.e the world leaders are controlled via the lower Astral...
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/january2005/210105devilhand.htm

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MajorTomQuote:
I personally feel sorry for all the guides out there.

The Guides you speak of (and who I have seen and spoken to) are only manifestations of our higher selves. They are still caught up in the illusion. If you look deeper into what I am saying, your higher self can now be free.

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Frank,
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Yes, well, tell me something new. It's just your "paranoia" that separates us at a guess.

Would you care to 'enlighten' me??

skydust · February 20, 2005, 13:52:28

Gman, i too have read david ickes books and ive read about this white light trick ure talking about, in matrix5 but I am sceptical. From what I understand, there is a white and a golden light, and the white one is meant to trick us? So does that mean that we wouldn't reincarnate if we went to the golden light?

Quote from: Gman

QuoteThey are still manifestations of the source, aren't they?

NO NO NO they are not manifistations of the source. The source has no polarities, it is the Balance of all things.

QuoteWhy do they want to keep the physical dimension together? For the sake of manipulation alone
They only exist in polarity based realities. They are feeding on our fear and ignorance.

QuoteThe source consciousness doesn't seem to care about us, otherwise it would interfere, wouldn't it? Or is a completely balanced consciousness without all forms of polarity a passive consciousness which cannot act at all?

It is and people are waking up, not very long to go.

I must disagree, they ARE manifestations of the source. Everything is from the source because the source is all there is, they cannot be from anywhere else. And yes they do exist in polarity based realities, which also are manifestations of the source, and feed off fear but this doesn't make them not part of the source.

And as far as polarity goes, it only exists on the lower planes, because really they are two sides of the same coin so they are really the same but appearing to be different.

Frank · February 20, 2005, 14:08:45

they are from the Lower Astral which is from the Negative polarity. They manipulate us and manifest in this reality through a form of 'Possession' i.e the world leaders are controlled via the lower Astral...

There is no higher or lower in consciousness. Consciousness just is. There are no higher or lower planes, and there are no higher or lower selves. If we were to talk for a moment in terms of higher and lower, hypothetically speaking let's say, all of us are our "highest" expression of self already. There is no higher expression of ourselves than ourselves, lol.

No one manipulates us via possession or otherwise. World Leaders create their reality just as we do. The crux of the "problem" is most people do not realise that we all are the very definition of a walking, talking self-fulfilling prophecy.

Yours,
Frank

Gman · February 20, 2005, 14:43:18

MajorTom,

QuoteWell, I feel sorry for my higher self then.

Honestly, there are too many layers and hierarchies people propose for my mind to handle. Such a waste, and such a tiring repetition of human consciousness as is, to replicate man-made layers of intrigue and deceit at every conceivable layer of the non-physical realms.

Is life so boring? Sorry to come across harsh, but these forums were meant for a genuine and soul-felt exploration of reality.

Often people are too polite to call something crazy when they see it with the drawback of these forums actually becoming a playing field for fantasy and far-fetched conspiracy ideas.

Luckily, people are starting to become less hesitant lately.

Even to this day when we speak of our Multidimensional existence to 'Grounded' and misinformed people, we are laughed at and called strange or weird.
I know as you do Major that it is a Personal journey and to master Astral Travel is a Godsend for personal evolution.
Then why is it that you condemn my opinions. I feel that practitioners of Astral Projection should be taking our knowledge to the next level. I feel we are going round in circles and it is no different now that the early Victorian spiritual mediums etc.

This is a forum, you are a Moderator, I am giving my Perspective, You don't agree with my Perspective, Is this a god damn fluffy teddy bear?

Gman · February 20, 2005, 14:59:08

Fluffy teddy bear

Veccolo · February 20, 2005, 15:38:19

QuoteYou must be running out of questions pretty soon

Yes. Your answers, especially the last one, helped me to form an opinion about your theory.

Hint: If I were you, I would revise the theory.

CaCoDeMoN · February 20, 2005, 16:05:43

Sorry, but I've heard that David Icke's alien race is just a metaphor. If he would say directly what he thinks, his books would not be published.
Also I think that too many dogmas will make life more and more complex and there will be less place for reality. This is why I am not certain of anything I haven't experienced personally.

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CaCoDeMoN,

You Avatar and User Name says it all.

I rest my case

Username? It only says that I am a fan of an old computer game called "Doom". Only that.
My avatar? Sometimes I look like this in the astral, but I don't think that you can find out anything from it.

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they are from the Lower Astral which is from the Negative polarity. They manipulate us and manifest in this reality through a form of 'Possession' i.e the world leaders are controlled via the lower Astral...

Big part of my soul/personality is probably also from lower astral, but I am working on this now...

daidaluz · February 20, 2005, 16:12:10

Quote from: GmanYes it is basically a game of 'Polarities'-Positive and Negative.
If you look at the structure of an atom it is mostly empty space but HAS polarities. Everything in our Universe has poles, from Planets down to Atoms.

It is not about to manipulate. The golden light is about spiritual evolution, it is about new spiritual concept every time and self consciousness taking those new concepts into own life and using them to create own world. Having incorporated more of this light into self consciousness gives the ability to become aware of the path of those who are waking behind us, so the art of manipulation comes to issue. But this is something which is part of a small portion of the path, it's just a learning and nothing more.

Everything is about polarity, receiving light, and giving it to own world for learning and giving assistance to others; ...then you receive more light..

Gman, it may be easy to manipulate what you already know (be them situations, reality, threads, etc), but that is like entering into a labyrinth where you stop learning.

BillionNamesofGod · February 20, 2005, 16:36:34

OK, I'm reading this, to simplify it for my feeble mind:

IF ENTER WHITE THEN

| Will be Reincarnated, some kind of trick

IF ENTER GOLD LIGHT THEN

| ?

So, who controls WHITE LIGHT+explanation ?
So, who controls GOLD LIGHT+explaintion?

How do you enter WHITE LIGHT/GOLD LIGHT in AP? I thought
this is if you were actually "Dead" ?

Can someone simplify?

Nostic · February 20, 2005, 17:56:48

You know it just never ends does it? Now we have to worry about falling into the trap of the white light, do we? People seriously, there is an INFINITY of things to worry about. It never ends. If you focus on such things, THAT is what will keep you from the Source. Do you honestly believe that by going into a gold light instead of a white one, your soul will be saved? Do you honestly believe that making such a decision proves that you have attained enough knowledge and wisdom that you no longer need to be subjected to reincarnation? What kind of idiot do you take God to be? I seriously think some people (many people) take God to be a moron.

If there is any reality that comes from this theory, it may be that when you do enter the gold light, it is because you've earned it. It would be because you have attained enough knowledge, growth, and insight that reincarnation no longer serves you. If you're still forced to reincarnate, there are obviously more lessons that you need to learn. And getting a tip from someone on a message board about which light to choose, I'm sorry, I tend to think that you need to achieve a bit more insight about the workings of the universe than that.

Psan · February 21, 2005, 02:12:01

I think its utterly boring to merge with golden light and sleep there for billions of years... I cant even think of it.
I'd rather go into white one and kick the bottoms of anyone who has set up this trap, then demolish everything there with a nuke and take over the throne of white light.

Anyone who tries to brainwash you with - do this and you are saved , do this and you suffer for eternity..... is just trying to start a new cult.

karnautrahl · February 21, 2005, 02:49:39

Nostic good post

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AndrewTheSinger · February 21, 2005, 03:59:27

Let's try and take the experience for what it is. We're here now and perceiving things, even though it is a mind-created structure we just can't pierce it completely.

It's like when you know you're in a dream and dealing with materialized thoughts, but to transcend that would turn everything off.

So you're there on the verge of your life, and you happen to see 2 tunnels, one white and one golden, and you remember having read this, which one would you choose?

For the sake of exploration I guess I would consider taking the golden one.

One time in deep trance I saw my right arm bright golden, and the left arm pale white, I was attracted to the golden.

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