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[Risu no Kairu]

Dear Sir(s) and/or Ma'am(s),

It is requested that you please cease in posting the same topic on every forum. Please delete them.

It is not a good way to make friends by flooding a forum.

EDIT: This post originally placed here when the exact same message was placed in all forums. Since then, they have been altered into different posts.

[alchimiste]

Let me guess.................you're doing research for a book?

Try doing a bit of research yourself as opposed to getting us to do it for you.

Gilderoy Lockhart

[alchimiste]

Neg rem 5

I understand you're keen and want to rid the world of negs and you've done research on various methods etc. but please enlighten us on your own experiences with these negative entities that you are so against, have you, or anyone close to you been affected by one or several of them, now or in the past?

You seem so head strong about getting together all the techniques and ways of getting rid of these entities that to me you don't come across as completely honest to the readers on this forum!!! Whats your angle neg rem5? do you understand from first hand experience what any entity actually is? have you had any experience at all in this field?......don't get me wrong I can perfectly understand if you just want to get things going on the forum and accumulate lots of techniques under the same thread but isn't that what the self defense forum is all about? it's an entity in its own right that moves at the pace of those who post, it doesn't need a gung ho "lets solve all the neg problems in one thread" kind of attitude.

A site/entity such as this forum evolves, and it's those who contribute that dictate the pace of this evolution, people with problems need time and personal nuturing to solve their particular problems, that's why they visit and post on these pages, to get personal attention. Yes they can all read Roberts book or your superthread that explains all, but where is the personal touch that the neg afflicted or possessed really need?........what's your answer negrem5 to these questions?

You need to realise that no one method works all the time on any particular neg, they evolve also (slower, but they do evolve)
Certain entities aren't in the least effected by christian excorcism, many do not fear jesus or mary or any christian imagery, holy water or virtually anything you care to throw at them, you need a vast and wide knowledge, plus experience to find what works for each particular entity or neg. Please also remember that it is quite commen for some possesions, curses or neg problems to be self inflicted and can more often than not have karmic implications....ie a lesson needs to be learned and to remove the lesson only delays the learning process. You need to be very carefull when considering dealing with any entity that is attached to an individual other than yourself as the karmic implications touch you also!!!....Be warned!

Shed some light on this for us all Neg Rem 5....what's your story?

[goingslow]

Bottom line its against the "rules" here to post the same topic on every forum no matter how important you think you are.

If people want help from negs they will go to psychic self defense forum.  Keep it there or alternate but stop  putting the same damn thread on every forum already.

[Nay]

Well said Frank. []

Why are you getting so defensive Neg?  I too find it a little strange that you want people to open up to you and tell about their experiences yet you are not willing to do the same..raises a red flag in my mind.  And the minute you post something in the forums..it is EVEYONES business.  

Nay.

[alchimiste]

Ok I'm a big mouth david who loves to shoot down goliaths so why is it that other forum members are asking the same Q's as I'm doing field marshal six star crusade neg rem 5?
Haven't you realised that you can't tell people they want to get rid of the NEGativity in their lives......it's a choice.

stop acting like you are still a soldier; you are still far too narrow minded and inexperienced, try reading a bit more and living a bit more before you tell us all how we should live and react to negs.

[GTP]

Whoa, chill man, it's that kind of attitude that will get YOU called immature. By the way, what are "negs"?[)]

[kromeknight]

Hello Neg Removal5
I haven't  read all of the drama that has unfolded with your threads, I kind of lost interest after reading half your orginal post and then seeing them repeated I didn't bother  reading at all, I'm sorry because I thought it was all a bit humorous and have posted in regards to it. But now your plight has touched me you mentioned your friend needs help! I can't help but think if you mentioned this earlyer it would have saved us all alot of grief and anger. Maybe you did I'm not sure but if you did it was obscured by anger.... by all concerned. Your request for idea's are noble but repetitve posting unwise when ppl don't know the reason, hopfuly now they do..."your friend needs help" I hope we all can put aside anger and help this person in trouble , not with repetitive posting and not with angery replys but with  open honest help in one forum .

Neg Removal5 can you tell us what is troubling your friend and what have you or others tried to do to help so we can all have a heads up on how best to help.
Again I'm sorry for the pain you must have felt all this time with trying to find help .
sincerely Paul

[alchimiste]

Ditto to that Krome!

Neg rem 5, now we have gotton over the foreplay I realise we wont be inviting each other over for cocktails but your friend is in trouble.

Are this friends symptoms only when they project or have they passed over to the physical?
Can you say if it is an actual possession?
If it's a possession have you found out what type of entity it is? Can you see if the entity is associated with any of the four elements?
Is there more than one of them?
Is it possible to comunicate with the entity?
What have you already tried?
can you tell us where the entity is residing within your friend (is it any of the chakras?..if so which one and has it moved upwards yet?
How does the entity manifest itself?
any small bit of info may help find it's weak spot.
can you dowse to see if there is any karmic link or is it an indescriminate attack? even if it's karmic you can still get rid of it but the technique will differ and you will need to communicate with it.
Is your friend male or female?
What religion?
when did it start?
Could the entity have come from an object they bought or were given or came back from holiday with?

I realise you are a proud man who wishes to help your friend but if you can give details you will find we all are prepared to proffer the relevent info you will need, then afterwards you can continue to gather techniques for future reference. its your friend that needs help right now....so swallow your pride, lets put our differences aside for a while at least and help you get your job done.

I can't say fairer than that!

Heres to an uneasy peace

[goingslow]

Did you call me a neg lover up there?  

I think you're weird and maybe you should get someone else to help your friend.  If anything all this hostility is going to feed the "neg" if it's even that.

[goingslow]

I know you think you have great insight into people but A. some people work.. Your psychic powers failed this one time when you figured I was rich.  I just got finished working two 14 hour days.  And no Im not 100 grand richer.

Frank doesn't get involved in these types of things so you're wrong on him.

Nay didnt get along with your beloved spirit girl.

kromeknight may be your new soul mate ..if so good luck.

I thought it was funny you were still going and naming your friends etc.. its turned silly which was just the thing I needed just getting off my second long butt day.  Even though I like the idea of being a sniper im more amused than anything else.  I haven't seen you really discuss anything but negs and who your friends are.. oh and the fact you wont lower yourself to argue with a woman. Which is big of you.. and Im sure the women on this forum appreciate that.  They get all afraid and nervous ..you know how fragile they are.  []  

So unless you start posting about OBE's or something I doubt i'll join in on all the beers etc.  But im sure that wont spoil the big party any.

now im going to bed

[goingslow]

On a more serious note have you even read RB's practical psychic self defense?  All you'll get here is a regurgitation of his material.. go to the psychic self defense forum and contact Nita.  Go look at the old posts of so many people being attacked by negs and their advice.  They were patient.. look up "need help" or "need" 's posts.  

[kromeknight]

Hello Neg Removal5
I'm a Spirit filled Christain But have in recent year's been weakened by my own personal faults mainly smoking and the odd beer. When I received the Holy Spirit the desire to smoke or the addiction was taken away by my request, I asked this before I received the Holy Spirit as a confirmation of the lords power within me. I hope that makes sence it was a gift of sorts. I did restart smoking again from my own "free will" after year's of been free from it, stupid I know and now I'm fighting the addiction and giving up smoking to grow strong in the Spirit again. (Addiction is not free will.)
I'm telling you this for a reason, I'll explain later bear with me.
I read a book on obe, in it the author describes coming home from one of her obe travels to find her husban asleep after drinking heavily, as was his habit. She  found a neg deeply attached to him and after much effort fought it from him but it said "it would be back because it was invited ". This alone makes me question my own addiction, have 'I invited a neg too' as smoking is no longer my free will and I'm fighting it. I guess I'm saying IMO Spirit Filled ppl can be oppressed, weakened even possessed. Having said that it depends on what one thinks of in these terms. I don't see satan as the horned monster most Christians believe, my view is some what unconventional. I have posted it else were on the forums.
I have not come across many neg's while AP/obe...I came close  I think but moved away from the area. I have while in lucid dreams battled human forms and also once fought a succub (sp) after returning from obe. But how can all this help your friend. While in my spiritualy weakened state I still know the power of the Lord and surround and myself with his light perhaps this is why I haven't seen that many neg's around while obe. But I do know when I'm near someone in the physical with, shell we say a bad vibe connected to them and funny enough they sence me too.
So if you fill I can help in some way I will with my limited knowledge. Goingslow made an excellent suggestion and I have some myself but I will wait for your reply.
Take care Neg Removal5

[Mustardseed]

Well that was a lot of "stuf" to read through  to get to the conclusion. I wonder how many folks you lost under way, but never mind Just a piece of advise . If you wish to learn from anyone here and ask questions please be nice to them! I have myself, as you , felt slighted by the "club" and have realised that in this forum it seems that you have to "pay your dues" so to speak and become accepted as a member of the elite. Ha well I never got there and still feel that the forum at times is frequented by novices who has Avatar status and lots of stars but seem to have very little maturity, (some newcomers as well actually). In honest I believe they mean well and do have lots of insight and wisdom, but as the Bible says "a fool is known by many words" now dont get offended over again guys and gals no harm meant. Anyway I read with interest all your post (well I had to skip over some parts as it got a bit boring )but to your question. Can a Christian be possessed? Well that certainly is a good question (I assume that this Christian is either yourself or your friend) based on many years of experience I would say, no. Not posessed but obsessed overshadoved influenced and most certainly decieved. Actual posession is quite a serious thing, normally resulting in a compleate loss of control either momentarily or permanently and would require a permission from the victim so to speak. It seems clear from the Bible that Jesus said he would never leave us nor forsake us and that if a person is his he can be no other's. The Holy Spirit cannot habitate a body at the same time as a demon or other spiritual entity. However one need not be posessed to exibit problems and symptoms very closely related. I have had to deal with many such cases as I lived in India and the far east as a Missionary for 15 years and encountered a fair amount of people with such problems. I would ditto the wise post asking for the particulars such as when where how etc.In the mean time have fun with your posts and your own little private indignated agression. I learned a few things here from the members that maybe they did not even attempt to teach me , mainly "a soft answer turns away wrath but grivious words stirreth up strife" They are a pretty ok bunch, and as decent and sensitive/insensitive as people (including you and me ) are in general. Like someone said Look for the worst in people and you will find it . I like the opposite aspect Look for the good and you will find that too. (oh by the way Going slow you are a bit "sniperish" just face it ok I think I recall a comment or two that felt a bit ...whatever Ha) Anyway I would be interested in your viewpoint as you seem to know a lot of things "without a doubt" something I often in my youth claimed but lately have had to revise. So lets reason together and compare notes.
Best Regards Mustardseed

Disclaimer: the above statements are in no way to be interpreted to be hostile but rather good natured. Any words sentences jokes or attempts that could seem at first to be rude sarcastic, are rather a result of immaturity and wierd sense of humor on the behalf of the author or simply a result of a translation error.

[GTP]

Neg, I'm sorry. You're right about me jumping in like that. I'm sure I'm not the first person in a forum conversation to do what I did though, you know?

[kromeknight]

Hello Mustardseed
I just wanted to clarify my view on this

Quote# The Holy Spirit cannot habitate a body at the same time as a demon or other spiritual entity.

we are warned in the Bible to walk in the Spirit so that evil can not touch us so to speak, so I fill this could still happen to some degree in that we might do something against our better judgment and later wonder why we did it at all hence the term "I don't know what possessed me to do that". I haven't seen head spining possessions like the movies only the presence of 'bad vibes' and the fruits their of within ppl. I maybe naive in this as you have had much more experience than me in this area but I believe once joined with God in Christ through the Holy Spirit no one can separate that bond connection , marriage. If we do wrong we answer to the Lord but we cannot be seperated by 'man' because the Lord is faithful and he cannot deny himself, in marriage the two become one. Again I think it depends on the term possession or demons, for me it is the shadow ego that manifest itself until we deal with it but I might be really wrong about that. I am after all basing it on my own self examination and the neg's that wonder the lower astral levels are either a combination of astral projections of ppls shadow ego or disembodied soles that have not one the battle in life over their shadow ego. If that makes sence then everyone has their shadow ego and are dealing with it and these shadow egos might be attached to other astral dwelling  shadow ego's hence possession.
In conclusion everyone has their shadow ego, Spirit filled or not everyone. I even think Jesus had his shadow ego which ppl call satan.
I will give you a very personal example of what the Lord showed me only months after been Spirit filled. I  awoke from sleep OOB standing in my backyard naked I was surrounded by bright light I was painful conscious of the fact that the Lord was watching me but I had no control over my actions my shadow was in control and mainifested itself lustfuly. Then my consciousness was seperated from my physical form and I could see  my shadow form in first person view, in this state I was mentaly seperate from  it but I senced it moods, psychi again I had no control as it moved away from the light and over the fence.The experience ended there  but I was shocked by the hole ordeal for years and you all are the first to know of it happening. I've come to realize I was possessed by my shadow the Lord showed me the beast within that I must overcome, the evil in all men even the Spirit Filled .    
Let me know what you all think about this I know it's pretty heavy reading and I hope I explained it clearly.

[alchimiste]

in reply to your question on whether someone filled with the holy spirit can be possessed or not..............I would say no it would not be possible, depending upon the level of the holy spirits presence.(that is how much of the body is in resonance with the holy spirit)
To be invested by the holy spirit is a rebirth of the being on a cellular level, the old cells are transformed by the high vibratory quality of the Holy spirit that causes the body cells to resonate in harmony with itself and thus raise the vibratory frequence of the body.
At such a high frequency, any foreign entity is unable to resonate in harmony and as such cannot occupy the same space;

Where this hypothesis fails is when the belief system of the subject persuades the subject that they are invested with the holy spirit when they are in fact not; they have autosuggested the idea perhaps through religious zeal or misinterpratation of felt energy. As you can imagine this is a very grey and somewhat delicate area of investigation as to question the subjects faith can worsen an already serious situation!!!!

Also i agree that most neg infestation is there because they were invited in, not consciously but subconsciously of course! and if ones vibratory level is low then negs can resonate more readily and thus invest their host.
The Guardian de Seuil or as some describe it as the shadow ego can also have something to say about this matter. I refer you to http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2560 a topic posted by Mattias Jonsson that describe the phenomena of this entity that carries ones present incarnation and its desire to attack when it feels threatened.

if the subject was involved in an actual and active spiritual progression then it is not unusual that upon reaching a certain level they attracted the attention of certain sects or religious/occult organisations who would send one or more entities to "take possession" of their host inorder to recuperate the soul in order to fuel their egregore.

I'll leave it up to you if you want to further this discussion or not, that is of course if any of us fit into YOUR belief system. I have replyed out of concern for your friends and not to prove myself wrong or right in regards to your point of view. So as they say...........the ball's in your court now.

ps. If my answer does not satisfy your criteria then I'll happily bow out of this situation and leave you to get on with it as I'm sure you will need all your efforts for the job at hand.

[goingslow]

this is heartwarming to see.

Now if only those who have posted on the Psychic self defense forum begging for help.  Asking people to give them advice on a neg that is making their life hell got this kind of attention and responses.  Maybe they should have made it a friend with absolutely no detail as to the friend's symptoms.

I think negremoval is actually onto something.

Btw negremoval dont get all huffy.  You really did get a lot of helpful responses and sincere concern for your friend that at least 20 people didnt get when it was them and they asked nicely and politely.  IF it works I honestly say go for it.

[Nay]

Thank-you Neg5 for the kind words..I am easy going and usually get along with everyone, but Goingslow is right...I had a issue with Spiritgurl and stand by it but that's been talked about enough.
I have had only two encounters with beings in Astral.  I can't be for sure if they were Neg's or not.  One was a tall guy walking down my hallway towards me..I "thought" he had a knife in his hand..lol..but never did see it.  The whole experience was new to me and I actually thought there was someone in my home.  I woke myself up before he reached the bedroom door.  The second one was a little different.  A woman was standing at my bedroom door sorta to the side, she was looking around the door frame at me.  I wasn't scared this time (not yet anyway) and we just stared at each other for a few minutes, then she started to turn away...I have no idea why I started to say "Hey! what are doing"? took me a couple of tries to get it out...finally the words came out and she CAME AT ME!! real fast with her hands out stretched in a very menacing way.  Needless to say, scared the sh*t out of me!  I managed to wake up (in my physical) when she was right in my face... I was shaken up for a while...a few weeks worth...lol..
Like I said I have nooooo idea if these were Neg's..I have never seen or had something attached to me...well, not that I am aware of. I also use to smoke and couldn't remember any experiences, so perhaps during that time something happened...it will continue to be a mystery I guess.  I really haven't had any more neg experiences so far..I surround myself with the divine light of God every night just in case..[]
I am interested in knowing what kind of attacks your friends are under so I can learn from it.

Nay. []

[kromeknight]

Hello Alchimiste
I read the thread you linked to and can see you know much of the magic path for want of a better expression. I see things from a different view I'm not saying it is better than anyone else's teaching's or deep studies. I was not taught anything that I've posted it has come by way of knowing within myself and personal experience I've  compared it others beliefs for testing and found it rings true for me. I do not ask anyone else to believe me, and in turn I am not subjected to believing others.
The magic path is not for me but self examination and personal experiences lead me on my path. In my post I experienced many spiritual revelations that were mind alone, personal. The fact that the Bible words were of great help in explaining my experiences as is this link and many other sign post along the way  http://www.mythsdreamssymbols.com/shadow.html gives me a clearer footing as I walk my path to evolve spiritualy. you have your way as do all people, I hope it leads you all to were you want to go. I'm not religious but believe in what I've experienced with the Holy Spirit, my choice and I'm happy with it. []

I would like however to know how you came about this theory

Quote# in reply to your question on whether someone filled with the holy spirit can be possessed or not..............I would say no it would not be possible, depending upon the level of the holy spirits presence.(that is how much of the body is in resonance with the holy spirit)
To be invested by the holy spirit is a rebirth of the being on a cellular level, the old cells are transformed by the high vibratory quality of the Holy spirit that causes the body cells to resonate in harmony with itself and thus raise the vibratory frequence of the body.

Are you yourself Spirit filled to draw this conclusion on personal experience,  and if so you cannot conclued that your theory binds every Spirit filled person. Apart from that good luck in what ever you believe.

[alchimiste]

"I was not taught anything that I've posted it has come by way of knowing within myself and personal experience I've compared it others beliefs for testing and found it rings true for me. I do not ask anyone else to believe me, and in turn I am not subjected to believing others."

To tell you the truth Its the same for me..............I have not followed any particular magical school of thought but have worked independantly with certain magiciens.
I realise it might upset neg rem but Im not at all religous but yes I know there is a god and he/she/??? exists within me, as my name implies I am an Alchimiste (spiritual more than physical)
I'll post more on the new magic forum if you are at all interested as I beleive in independance and freedom when it comes to magic and evolution.

The holy spirit is just an energy, it's religous dogma that puts a face or image to it, it's the same for all religions.

I have to go as the kids are needing fed.............more later

nice attitude and post btw Krome.........I think I may just offer to write your biography...smurk smurk!!!!!!

[Celeste]

Hi Neg removal5
 
 I've skimmed most of these posts so forgive me if I missed your answers but Alchimiste asked you some good questions about your friend's situation. How about you start there by sharing some of this information with us?

  What have they tried? How long has it been going on? What caused it initially? Where do you figure in? Have you tried to do any healing on them?

  Have you read Robert's book? What have you experienced with yourself or your friend? This might make it easier for others to give you some input. It's a give and take reciprocal type of thing--eh?

  celeste

[kromeknight]

hello Alchimiste
LoL your last bio had me in stitches,  alas I think I'm to borning to spice up. But you my dear Alchimiste are a deep river of paradox that twist and weaves through many delightful valleys.
who's smurking  now LoL []

[Mustardseed]

Hi to all. Well the questions certainly are out there ha. From my viewpoint there also seem to be certain degrees of possession of the Holy Spirit some people have a lot more HS power than others as they "allow" the HS more control. The HS is really an infilling with the power of God. It also seems to be a very different experience from what Christians call Salvation. A person who is in need of Negremoval can in my view be cleansed in several ways. If the person in question has a strong element of self and personal spiritual strength they can "wrestle" the entity. This follows along the advise that RB gives in his book. This also works well for Christians who feels "possessed" attacked opressed etc especially when abuse is the cause ie smoking drinking sexual perversions etc anything by wich the entity gains control through lust or body gratification. A continual "wresteling" will than always result in a victory, as the entity cannot win if the mind of the Christian is set to do battle. They can only win by persuading you to quit the struggle. Read Romans 7 for further explanation. Paul said "the thing that I do I dont allow oh wretched man that I am". very interesting. The other way is a totally yielding of ones self to Christ by accepting Jesus so to speak and having an infilling of the HS. This often works well with the laying on of hands as well as an annointing with symbolic oil babtism by water etc.This requires a strong effort of "breaking away" from past habits but as it will be within a Christian fellowship it is more a "sticking to" sort of an opposite in a way. The battle becomes more a battle of becoming a diciple, getting busy with prayer service fellowship etc rather that batteling the entity one self . Sort of along the lines of fighting the darkness by turning the light on. This seem to be by far the most effective and instant removal but also requires a strong spiritual alignment with the Christian group or church with whom the individual has experienced the salvation.
If a person chooses to battle without the Christian symbols and fellowship as a help it becomes more intricate. In most cases the possession or obsession is a result of a choice somewhere in a time line and it is important to help the victim by retracing his/her steps so to speak, and eliminate a vice or do core removal. Most entities that has hitchiked on objects can often not be removed by the elimination of the object, as they often has attached themselves somewhere by the time they are discovered. Prayer seem to bemore effective than core image removal, as there is often no incidents to remove but over time core images can ofcourse be implanted. I have had a lot of succes in adressing the spirit asking it questions and finding its points of attachments that way. Sometimes they will answer in a very vaque or evasive way and it requires a lot of wisdom and spiritual insight to discern what they say. Often they seem to speak in riddles  almost. It is as if they know they have to answer but they try to make it difficult to figure out. Strong entities especially demons and spirits of humans will have a lot more pride and be right up front. In some cases laying on of hands will work but I would be careful in any attempt to cleanse a person if you do not heve their will on your side. I have done this with Kids but adults seem to react often very explosive to that. Fasting helps both the one being cleansed as well as the one doing it. It is very important to be clean yourself . I would not advise anyone to get into a trance in the same location with a person known to be posessed or even oppressed . RB mentions having done this and maybe this works for him but there are several factors to consider that can go very very wrong. Maybe if one is very experienced it is possible but I would never do it allthough I have seen more than most wouls want to see. Well I hope that is a help, it is only my opinions and experience. Like the seven sons of Sceva in the new testament. They were traveling exorsists and started to use the name of Christ and Paul and the Negs tore them to pieces and said ">Jesus we know and Paul but who are you." the name of Christ seems to be useless unless used by a believer in it. I think the vibration is altered somehow. It is like a child wielding a huge sword. One might have a very effective weapon at disposal but it can only be used by someone with strenght/maturity or whatever it would be called.

Regards Mustardseed

[kromeknight]

G'day mate
The eskies full the miss is off doing something. Good to see ya []
I must have missed it but whats the 'patch'. "glug..glug " Oh the succumbi. I was obe and only came aware when I saw the succubi kneeling next to me physical body you know [:O][]. I didn't know what it was or wanted... naive about all that obe stuff back then and still are really.
G'day Nay how are ya [] I was just telling Neg Removal5 how I have to fight off the women even in me sleep  []lol "glug..glug BBurp" Now you know I'm sorta you know...looking at this sheila trying to do stuff to me body and I thought "What the..?"  and I came closer. Next thing I know I've got this formless stretching blob in me hands. I throw it around the room wrestling with it  then it's gone you know. I wake up and think strewth."glug..glug" Anyway whats new
you want another beer []