Two years ago today.

[beavis]

We should be happy for the people who died. They dont have to listen to talk about 9/11 everywhere they go.

[Nay]

Well beavis..that was a bit callous but eh, that is you.

I too was going to post a topic on it but Tenacious you said it very nicely.  The ppl whom were directly effected by this tragic event are still in my prayers.

Nay.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

aaah...Beavis, you're right...
i found the Japanese more humble and discreet when commemorating Hiroshima and Nagasaki (wich were way more horrible than the 9/11). I bet that a lot of you don't don't even know what day it was.

[Links Shadow]

Not many people know this but my mom was one of the lucky ones.  She was in New York for a business trip that week, she works for the United States Postal Service.  Any way that day she was at the post office located in the WTC training people on a new time keeping system.  I am very thankful that she managed to get out in time, but that entire day I was a wreck because I knew that was were she was going to be that day.  And with all of the emergency service calls being placed the phone system was so bogged down that she was not able to get through to me until about 5 that night.  I went through the entire day at school wondering if my mom was alright.  This is a pretty emotional day for me as it brings back the memory of the day I thought I had lost my mom.

[Nayru]

*hugs Links Shadow* I feel sorry to hear that, my friend.

Tenacious, very nice said. *hugs him too*

[Tenacious]

quote:Originally posted by LA FORET MAUVE

aaah...Beavis, you're right...
i found the Japanese more humble and discreet when commemorating Hiroshima and Nagasaki (wich were way more horrible than the 9/11). I bet that a lot of you don't don't even know what day it was.

You are right.  The days were August 6 and 3 days later on the 9th of 1945.  Those days I remember from school.

-Tenacious[]

[LA FORET MAUVE]

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[no_leaf_clover]

quote:aaah...Beavis, you're right...
i found the Japanese more humble and discreet when commemorating Hiroshima and Nagasaki (wich were way more horrible than the 9/11). I bet that a lot of you don't don't even know what day it was.

You can't compare 9/11 and the end of WW2. One set of events was the result of an bloody war and a fierce country that would not surrender, and the other was a terrorist attack on unprovoked innocent people just because they were in America. Though a lot of Americans might not know when the dates of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, I'm sure any educated citizen knows of the 7th of December, 1941.

Just a sort of 'where where you' thing, I guess, but I remember exactly when I first heard about it. Our school administration had sent emails to all the teachers telling them exactly what had happened some time during 2nd period. They weren't allowed to tell us anything about it, but when I got to band class, our band director, being the good guy that he was, told us all about it and turned the TV on for us. It took a while for me to realize how terrible those attacks were and how many people were going to die. I remember that after that period, when I told other people what I had seen on the news, hardly any of them believed me until the end of the last period where classes were pulled together and the news was announced over the intercom. When I got to the high school for marching band practice (I was currently in 8th), instead of people running around randomly and playing around, everybody was gathered around the TV in the band and in a sort of confused or even depressed mood up until it was time to practice. It was a weird day.

[shadowatcher]

I allow myself a brief break from my year long withdrawl from posting  to give my opinions on this; an issue which I feel very strongly about.

 Here I quote the president of the US, George Bush: "You can't negotiate with these people, you can't try to talk sense to these people. The only way to deal with them is find them and bring them to justice and that is what the United States and a lot of other countries working with the United States will continue to do." These people, as he so eloquently put, are people who were willing to kill 6,000 people to make their message heard. They willingly gave thier lives for what they obviously believed was the greater good. They are sure of who they are and what they stand for. Whether they are right or not is almost besides the point now. The war on terrorism is fought every second of every day, in the battlefield of our own hearts and minds. You cant fight ideas with bullets.

Respectfully yours, Shadowatcher.

PS: I hope I dont disrespect or trivialize anyone with my comments. IF I did, Im sorry [].

[LA FORET MAUVE]

quote:Originally posted by no_leaf_clover
[brYou can't compare 9/11 and the end of WW2. One set of events was the result of an bloody war and a fierce country that would not surrender, and the other was a terrorist attack on unprovoked innocent people just because they were in America. Though a lot of Americans might not know when the dates of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were, I'm sure any educated citizen knows of the 7th of December, 1941.

hmm...sorry to touch where the consious hurts but...
the habitants of two cities were all massacred. Two cities. They were maybe fierce (aren't the americans fierce and never surrender ?) but they were innocent. I don't know what do you learn at school but the japanese people didn't choose to attack america, their stupid government choose to do it. Could you blame the german population for Ausshwitz ? But the bombs eradicated two big cities, with civilians, womens, mens, childrens. Just because they were in Japan.People are still suffering of the radiations now. I don't know, as for me, i would have chosen another target, the japanese would have understood the power of the bomb anyway...so why TWO cities full of innocents I never understood this. I went in Nagasaki and understood the Reality of the Atomic and nuclear thing, this is a travel everyone must do in life, because unless you never saw or touch this reality, you can't understand how awfull and unresposible it is. You know, i'm not japanese, but French, and as a french i feel totally ashamed of the actual president (Jacques Chirac) and his nuclear tests. History will judge him, i hope. I know the "Hiroshima-Nagasaki" debate is a never ending one, but i am still convinced that it was not necessary...and totally horrible. I suggest you to stop watching patriotics movies such as "pearl harbor" (a movie which could have been made during the war haha [|)])...but in this domain, japanese are not totally white, i heard that they were still manipiulations in the history classbooks ! Of course we could debate on the acts of the japanese armyin Korea, Nankin, etc...no country is innocent (French have a lot of innocent blood on its hands too)...but...i think it's a good thing to put water on your patriotic emotions right now...because it is very very dangerous. No offense intended [][]

[shadowatcher]

You really can't say that any events in wartime are completely justified. I believe that when a person believes completely in their cause and is trying to do something for good, then theyre doing the right thing.

BTW: I think we should stick to the topic "Two Years Ago Today"

[no_leaf_clover]

Mauve -

As you know, the Japanese view their country's political and religious leader as more or less 'God'. That gave them an extreme morality, to think that they were fighting for 'God', and that's what allowed them to drive huge explosive-filled planes into aircraft carriers, jump off cliffs rather than be captured, etc. The US had never fought such fierce and strict soldiers before, and the battles were extremely bloody with lots of stalemates. I'm sure it was horrible for both sides. The advancing Americans in the pacific had to capture lots of little islands, each being like a 'mini-D-Day', and this, along with the kamikazi explosions, etc., was extremely demoralizing. So now on one hand, you have demoralized, tired Americans, and on the other, you have desperate Japanese who will gladly fight to the death for their leader.

The Japanese government was actually training 'innocent' civilians for the supposed invasion into Japan. They were being taught martial arts, how to fight with broom sticks, etc., and weapons were being distributed. Either way those citizens would have died. It just spared us some of our own lives to drop those bombs. That's war.

[shadowatcher]

If you believe in what you are doing and believe that what you are doing is right, and that your god/diety will honor you for it, then there is nothing more right and honorable than that.

See, im already being sucked back into an argument...*sigh* back to just reading posts[xx(]. (though I still check up on the forums every day)

[LA FORET MAUVE]

yes, it is a very difficult debate indeed, and we don't have all the elements in hand to know all the aspects of those events...it wasn't our generations after all...
Anyway ! I feel i would have better chose another moment to speak about it so i present you all my excuses and i apologise for those who could have been hurt.
Love to all [:I]

[Tenacious]

Hello-

As you are all aware, Two years ago today is when a horrible tragedy happened.  I wanted to take the time to express my condolences to all of those who have suffered a great loss due to the actions of a few people.  I also wanted to point out that this is exactly what hate is defined as.  Please take the time with me to share your thoughts and feelings, as I know we can not turn back time.  However we can reflect upon history.  I will be attending school tomorrow with my American flag attached to my window to show that we will not forget what has happened, and that we, not the U.S., But the people who do good in the world, will prevail and show these people we are not afriad of them.  I want to thank the world of good people for showing that there is still hope for humanity.  I also wanted to share that people all over the world should have a candle light rememberence, not for the U.S. but for those who have died and those who survived.  I am going to start a memorial service starting next year here in my town and havew the newspapers publish it.  I hope you do the same.

Thank you for the time to read this.

-Tenacious[:p]