EXPERT ASTRAL TRAVELERS!

[nighttimeguru]

Buenos dias ASTRAL PROJECTORS
My name is NighTime Guru etc.. and I have been studying/practicing astral projection (our of body experiences) for about a year and a half how. So what I'm wondering is WHO ARE THE MOST EXPERIENCED ASTRAL PROJECTORS? I can project through my REM sleep cycle (i.e. at night) And I have had about 80-100 successful projections if not more. And also about the same number of lucid dreams etc. I've gotten pretty good at having this experience at night during sleep by using REM cycles. Or even through sleep deprivation and maintaining consciousness.

I'm having trouble it seems inducing it ONE THE SPOT. That is something I would like to have happen is to decide I would like to go and just "go".

What I'm asking for is advice and ways to induce a trance state or to keep the mind aware without falling asleep. This could be anything from meditation techniques, mantras, books, diet, supplements or "drugs" (especially psychedelics like DMT, psilocybin, salvia, peyote etc..)



Also, I want to know what kinds of things you guys like to do on the astral plane that pertains to "spirituality" I've been doing mundane things like flying around and having sex etc. for quite some time. But then again, my typical experiences only last about five minutes.

I just want to know your level of experience (I want you to be BETTER  than me) and to let me know what techniques you use. 

[Xanth]

Do you know why nobody has answered your question?  Think you can guess?


And on a separate, yet also connected note... "spirituality" can be as simple as walking.  Even the most mundane act can be cause for spiritual growth.

Let's just start here and see where this takes us. 

[Shugi Shugi]

You seem like a very experienced AP professional. Could you please tell me how do you have sex on AP? I wanted to try masturbation but I looked down and there was nothing there...

[dpk38]

You seem like a very experienced AP professional. Could you please tell me how do you have sex on AP? I wanted to try masturbation but I looked down and there was nothing there...

HAHAHAHAHA...

[AAAAAAAA]

Shugi Shugi, your comment made my day. Also, sex on the astral plane can be done once you learn how. You can create circumstances which allow that to happen. If you always visualize yourself as something that cannot be seen, then it's obvious why you'd see nothing.

[Kzaal]

Just gonna do a follow up on what Xanth said by quoting the Daodejing again.
Long text warning here but it's very important to understand this.
It's one of the best teaching that someone can give.

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2
All in the world know the beauty of the beautiful, and in doing
this they have (the idea of) what ugliness is; they all know the skill
of the skilful, and in doing this they have (the idea of) what the
want of skill is.

So it is that existence and non-existence give birth the one to
(the idea of) the other; that difficulty and ease produce the one (the
idea of) the other; that length and shortness fashion out the one the
figure of the other; that (the ideas of) height and lowness arise from
the contrast of the one with the other; that the musical notes and
tones become harmonious through the relation of one with another; and
that being before and behind give the idea of one following another.

Therefore the sage manages affairs without doing anything, and
conveys his instructions without the use of speech.

All things spring up, and there is not one which declines to show
itself; they grow, and there is no claim made for their ownership;
they go through their processes, and there is no expectation (of a
reward for the results). The work is accomplished, and there is no
resting in it (as an achievement).

The work is done, but how no one can see;
'Tis this that makes the power not cease to be.

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27
The skilful traveller leaves no traces of his wheels or
footsteps; the skilful speaker says nothing that can be found fault
with or blamed; the skilful reckoner uses no tallies; the skilful
closer needs no bolts or bars, while to open what he has shut will be
impossible; the skilful binder uses no strings or knots, while to
unloose what he has bound will be impossible. In the same way the
sage is always skilful at saving men, and so he does not cast away any
man; he is always skilful at saving things, and so he does not cast
away anything. This is called 'Hiding the light of his procedure.'

Therefore the man of skill is a master (to be looked up to) by him
who has not the skill; and he who has not the skill is the helper of
(the reputation of) him who has the skill. If the one did not honour
his master, and the other did not rejoice in his helper, an
(observer), though intelligent, might greatly err about them. This is
called 'The utmost degree of mystery.'

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65
The ancients who showed their skill in practising the Tao did
so, not to enlighten the people, but rather to make them simple and
ignorant.

The difficulty in governing the people arises from their having
much knowledge. He who (tries to) govern a state by his wisdom is a
scourge to it; while he who does not (try to) do so is a blessing.

He who knows these two things finds in them also his model and
rule. Ability to know this model and rule constitutes what we call
the mysterious excellence (of a governor). Deep and far-reaching is
such mysterious excellence, showing indeed its possessor as opposite
to others, but leading them to a great conformity to him.

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66
That whereby the rivers and seas are able to receive the homage
and tribute of all the valley streams, is their skill in being lower
than they;--it is thus that they are the kings of them all. So it is
that the sage (ruler), wishing to be above men, puts himself by his
words below them, and, wishing to be before them, places his person
behind them.

In this way though he has his place above them, men do not feel his
weight, nor though he has his place before them, do they feel it an
injury to them.

Therefore all in the world delight to exalt him and do not weary of
him. Because he does not strive, no one finds it possible to strive
with him.

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81
Sincere words are not fine; fine words are not sincere. Those
who are skilled (in the Tao) do not dispute (about it); the
disputatious are not skilled in it. Those who know (the Tao) are not
extensively learned; the extensively learned do not know it.

The sage does not accumulate (for himself). The more that he
expends for others, the more does he possess of his own; the more that
he gives to others, the more does he have himself.

With all the sharpness of the Way of Heaven, it injures not; with
all the doing in the way of the sage he does not strive.

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I hope you liked those quotes, if you didn't understand it just means that when you're far enough in spirituality, skill won't matter to you anymore because you'll put your person last in there and you'll help others instead.

When you don't tell someone how you are skilled, or show anything, then he'll imagine it by himself, and will strive to achieve a higher level than you. And this applies to anything involving skill.

Someone who doesn't talk about his skills just means that he's past through that. He doesn't care anymore. And someone skillful will have much less difficulty being more skillful over the years if he doesn't constantly check at which stage he/she is at.

Hope that helps!

P.S.: I actually just wanted to give another hint but ended up giving you the answer... oh well hahaha ^_^