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[Sapphire-]

Oh no, I'm not immortal! I should not try to get out of body then, I better reject all the knowledge that comes from OOBEs and leave it to the god sapphire, right?

Just some minutes ago i read a topic in Astral FAQ about Frank's model of focuses of consciousness (is the spelling correct?) and this "Being a god and killing demons" smells like Focus2oC...

[-->PhenomenoN<--]

Thanks Han for your posts, you make a lot of sense.  Helps out a lot...this is all new to me - I've always experienced - and am now starting to understand why/what they really are.  

I believe we are all children of God - hence the God within ourselves

Have no idea what you guys are talking about with that Buddha stuff - just skipping those topics...

[Adun]

Oh no, I'm not immortal! I should not try to get out of body then, I better reject all the knowledge that comes from OOBEs and leave it to the god sapphire, right?

Just some minutes ago i read a topic in Astral FAQ about Frank's model of focuses of consciousness (is the spelling correct?) and this "Being a god and killing demons" smells like Focus2oC...

Whether you are immortal or mortal is not up to your decision.  When you die for most of human kinds that unable to Astral Project.  You could still be  immortal.

Just our souls slipped out sometimes not by will.   Just because we are needed in some where else in other part of universe.

Yes it is not up to me because everyone is "immortal".
To the rest of your post i won't reply because i can't understand it at all.

[Frank]

Sapphire:

All this Buddism or not Buddism and Gods or not Gods is really not my thing. I moved the post to chat so you can argue your respective belief constructs until the sun converts all available hydrogen to helium if that's what you want.

I would invite you to consider that we all have the very same subjective energetic structure. So no one can rightfully claim to be any more "enlightened" than any other. We are all created equal and that is how we are. I am no more enlightened than anyone else. The only difference is I have come to teach myself more of an objective knowing of that fact than most people who subscribe to this forum. And that, my friend, is the key to all of this and will be the subject of my next newsletter.

Anyone who claims they are some kind of "god", with respect, is just ego tripping on whatever fantasies they have chosen to create within Focus 2 of consciousness.

Yours,
Frank

[Sapphire-]

Sapphire:

Putting my Moderator hat on for a moment:

It sounds to me like all you are doing is prosletysing buddhism under the guise of trying to teach people about astral projection. Nothing to be ashamed of I suppose. We get people trying this on now and again so most long-standing members here are used to it. But I would respectfully suggest that the affair has run it's course to the extent where it is time to close it all down.
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All right, Frank,

You have got what you asked, , I close it all down for you.

I come here with peace, but I am being threaten all of time, the feeling is not good.

I have removed so called "proselytizing" postings as you asked.

Humans have their own destiny to follow.

Take care,

[Frank]

Hi:

As you wish, but for the record I did not ask you to actually remove them. I just felt they were not appropriate for OBE Discussions and that was what I meant by closing it down and moving the whole thing to Chat.

You talk about coming in peace and about humans having their own destiny like you just stepped out of a UFO. Let's please not forget that we are all part of the human sisterhood and brotherhood on this planet and we each have the very same subjective structure. We are all equal, here (despite all our flaws) so let us please all embrace that and not let petty religious differences come between us.

Yours,
Frank

[Witan]

Starfirecrystal - i`ll say go read the permanant topics by frank, adrian, major tom etc

[Starfirecrystal]

Thanks han again. You really made me understand what happend back then. When that happend to me, I was afriad cause I did'nt know it was myself doing this! lol... So now I understand the whole Focus #'s.
And thanks witan also.