After you's told me that having kids wasn't required to have a good reincarnation I am rethinking my whole value system. I am in college right now and now I am questioning whether it's worth it to go for all that schooling right at this point. I am wondering if I should settle for something less ambitious.
So let me ask you what values do you think are the most important to live by here in the physical for a good reincarnation? Thanks.
I'm wondering if it's worth it to compete against smart people to get into a University program to make 60,000 a year. That is how I see it right now at this point. So I'm questioning my value systems. I'm questioning the competitive nature of College and University. Part of it is that I just don't have the drive and ambition I use to have ever since I got a bout of severe depression. Even though the depression is now gone, I am still just less ambitious.
Plasma,
I will just say this: I had (have) depression issues. They can discourage you, they did me at times. Depression can bring me to a "full stop"...I do my best not to revisit those old dark days.
Find your center, find your passion...and then move from there as best you can make it work. I know it is not easy, each day is a new/same old challenge.
Today's values?
There is always better
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 24, 2017, 23:41:51
Plasma,
I will just say this: I had (have) depression issues. They can discourage you, they did me at times. Depression can bring me to a "full stop"...I do my best not to revisit those old dark days.
Find your center, find your passion...and then move from there as best you can make it work. I know it is not easy, each day is a new/same old challenge.
Today's values?
There is always better
Thanks for the reply but I already know that. I am mainly looking for what values and accomplishments help us get a good reincarnation. Sorry if I mixed up my question with another topic, but it was related to in part why I am contemplating this. :-)
Plasma,
What makes one incarnation better than the next? I believe that you are here to learn and experience from every incarnation. Sometimes you may have to try and learn the same thing over and over until you have overcome that challenge. I think you have already answered your own question.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 24, 2017, 21:46:28
I'm questioning the competitive nature of College and University. Part of it is that I just don't have the drive and ambition I use to have ever since I got a bout of severe depression. Even though the depression is now gone, I am still just less ambitious.
That's great that you have overcome the depression. Maybe that was part of your incarnation challenge. Maybe the other challenges in this incarnation is to deal with your 'drive and ambition'.
I think EscapeVelocity has also answered the question you are asking.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on April 24, 2017, 23:41:51
Today's values?
There is always better
I agree with EscapeVelocity. 'Don't settle!'
I not a big into reincarnation but I would like to throw my 2 cents in and please enlighten me if I misunderstand. Why do you think you have to accomplish something big or good for a better reincarnation, I always thought that we decide what we want to be if we choose to reincarnate. Also do you think reincarnation is forced when you die? Because I don't think thats how it works in my opinion. I think that as counciousness we inhabit this universe and when we die we just return to the non physical or 4th deminsion and can do whatever we want from there.
On another note you said you were rethinking your value system, well that system only relates to you. whatever you think is good to do is subjective, since we all have diffrent perceptions and opinions. you're not going to find any concrete information on what is good for reincarnation because it's all subjective. Whatever you think is right for your good reincarnation is right.
What you do, you do for yourself. To better yourself.
What you do is what allows you to continue living in this physical reality... which, in turn, allows you to continue bettering yourself and get closer to becoming Love.
Do what makes YOU happy.
Quote from: T-Man on April 25, 2017, 20:51:52
What makes one incarnation better than the next? I believe that you are here to learn and experience from every incarnation.
But certainly we should avoid abject suffering if we can, shouldn't we? Or even just suffering that causes us to not grow.
Quote from: funfire on April 26, 2017, 04:54:05
you're not going to find any concrete information on what is good for reincarnation because it's all subjective. Whatever you think is right for your good reincarnation is right.
This is kind of what I was thinking. The reasons why and how we reincarnate should be decentralized just like how most things are decentralized in real life anyway. And if there is centralization it's only temporary as we move more and more to decentralization. So if you think that you should reincarnate for a certain reason that you would find others that believe the same and reincarnate with them.
Quote from: Xanth on April 26, 2017, 07:59:20
What you do, you do for yourself. To better yourself.
What you do is what allows you to continue living in this physical reality... which, in turn, allows you to continue bettering yourself and get closer to becoming Love.
Do what makes YOU happy.
You don't want to know what I've been thinking about to be happy. LOL And I don't mean psychedelics. But I get what you mean, sometimes I just wonder if all this stressful hard College work is worth it. At the same time I want to get a good reincarnation so I feel like I should finish College. I've just got mixed thoughts on this whole thing.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 26, 2017, 09:45:55
You don't want to know what I've been thinking about to be happy. LOL And I don't mean psychedelics. But I get what you mean, sometimes I just wonder if all this stressful hard College work is worth it. At the same time I want to get a good reincarnation so I feel like I should finish College. I've just got mixed thoughts on this whole thing.
Well, let me tell you this... your education has zero bearing what-so-ever on your spiritual growth. :)
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 24, 2017, 21:39:12
After you's told me that having kids wasn't required to have a good reincarnation I am rethinking my whole value system. I am in college right now and now I am questioning whether it's worth it to go for all that schooling right at this point. I am wondering if I should settle for something less ambitious.
So let me ask you what values do you think are the most important to live by here in the physical for a good reincarnation? Thanks.
1. Don't drop out of college, and even more: apply yourself there! You attend the college not for making more money later, but for joining an environment where people better themselves, where they develop their mental capabilities. Minimize your involvement in partying and brainwashing activities that are part of the package!
2. Lead your life as YOU think and feel is right, not how others tell you is right! You can't know which advice is good, which is bad. The Universe / God / whatever Higher Force will always, in long run, reward you according to what you did (thoughts, desires, actions). You just have to pay attention to what you get, and if you don't like it, it means you didn't do right, and have to change. Important: the payback isn't immediate, so you have to take a longer view, an average.
3. You incarnated to learn a lesson, while trying to accumulate as little as possible bad karma (on three planes: thoughts, desires, actions). As you can't remember now what is that lesson, try to find out through alternate state of consciousness. In my experience hypnosis, especially self-hypnosis is the best way.
Good luck!
Quote from: Xanth on April 26, 2017, 16:07:39
Well, let me tell you this... your education has zero bearing what-so-ever on your spiritual growth. :)
If you mean by "education" getting a diploma, then I agree. But "education" is so much more, and very important for the development of your mind.
Quote from: baro-san on April 26, 2017, 16:16:43
If you mean by "education" getting a diploma, then I agree. But "education" is so much more, and very important for the development of your mind.
Depends entirely upon what you mean by education then.
Spiritual growth happens only on the non-physical level within the interactions we have with each other on a daily basis here. It's the non-physical result of those interactions which govern your spiritual growth.
But what makes this physical reality a better environment for that spiritual growth to happen is BECAUSE of the ruleset and limitations this reality provides. Essentially, it provides "risks". Without taking risks (emotionally, physically, etc) there's nothing to push you to grow. You can make the same decisions while non-physical and because there is very little risk involved in those decisions, there's very little reward as well. It's not zero, but it's very small.
I dunno... it's extremely hard to put into words what I'm trying to say here and I KNOW what I'm saying is confusing and is going to be misunderstood. All I can really say is that when you "GET IT", you'll get it.
If you're truly concerned about spiritual growth and reincarnation, then all you need to worry yourself about is how you treat your fellow consciousnesses which inhabit this Earth with you.
And that isn't limited to "humans"... everything. Kindness. Don't ACT kind. BE kind.
So if that's the kind of education you're talking about, then yes. I agree. :)
Quote from: Xanth on April 26, 2017, 16:51:51
Depends entirely upon what you mean by education then.
Spiritual growth happens only on the non-physical level within the interactions we have with each other on a daily basis here. It's the non-physical result of those interactions which govern your spiritual growth.
But what makes this physical reality a better environment for that spiritual growth to happen is BECAUSE of the ruleset and limitations this reality provides. Essentially, it provides "risks". Without taking risks (emotionally, physically, etc) there's nothing to push you to grow. You can make the same decisions while non-physical and because there is very little risk involved in those decisions, there's very little reward as well. It's not zero, but it's very small.
I dunno... it's extremely hard to put into words what I'm trying to say here and I KNOW what I'm saying is confusing and is going to be misunderstood. All I can really say is that when you "GET IT", you'll get it.
If you're truly concerned about spiritual growth and reincarnation, then all you need to worry yourself about is how you treat your fellow consciousnesses which inhabit this Earth with you.
And that isn't limited to "humans"... everything. Kindness. Don't ACT kind. BE kind.
So if that's the kind of education you're talking about, then yes. I agree. :)
Thank you for your thoughtful reply :)
For many years I asked myself, around, and rhetorically, questions like "why am I here?", "what am I supposed to do, and not do?". With age, I asked these kind of questions more often. When I got on the spiritual path more seriously, and I began reading and looking up information, I started to form hypotheses, and build models, then amend them, or radically replace them. Every new piece of information I subjectively deem worthwhile I try to fit into my current model, make it work together with the other pieces, leading to confirmations or adjustments.
One of the pieces I still have a hard time to fit is "love" in the sense you, and others, are using, often packaged as "unconditional love", which seems to me same with "indiscriminate love".
It is said that that kind of all around love is the feeling that encompasses the other superior dimensions, from where we pop up here to incarnate, and reincarnate over and over, an enormous number of times. It seems to me that if we come from "love", our souls already know it, and learning to "unconditionally love" here everybody and everything can't be the reason to incarnate. A typical counter argument is that loving and enabling somebody who does bad things makes you too responsible for those bad deeds.
At the moment I believe that what we need to learn is twofold: to improve our reasoning power, and to master our emotions. Not being able to master our emotions, like fear, hate, leads inevitably to have them spiral us down in a thought responsive environment. On the other fold, I believe that we were not created at our maximum reasoning potential, so we need to develop and sharpen it.
In my personal spiritual quest, when I started to employ self-hypnosis I made a significant jump ahead, in my opinion. For once, I was able to regress to past lives, and to life-between-lives dimensions. I was able, for most of those lives, to learn what was the lesson I was supposed to learn, to understand how karmically some lives are connected to others, to gradually map in time and space my journey.
None of the lessons I identified so far was "love" related, but I identified the first life when my reasoning stepped over a threshold that separated my lives in "mental obscurity" (marred by fear and survival instincts) from those those of "reason". It wasn't something I was looking for, and I was surprised to find it, then understand its importance.
Anyway, at the moment, I believe that without purposefully educating ourselves, in the sense of "brain gymnastics" that develop our reasoning and understanding capabilities, we can't approach our full development potential as souls, no matter how much we succeed in indiscriminately loving around :)
I think that we should be compassionate, and love discriminately our fellow man, but do it both keeping under control our emotions, and apply a continually improved reasoning onto each situation.
Sorry for the long post.
Quote from: baro-san on April 26, 2017, 18:57:11
Anyway, at the moment, I believe that without purposefully educating ourselves, in the sense of "brain gymnastics" that develop our reasoning and understanding capabilities, we can't approach our full development potential as souls, no matter how much we succeed in indiscriminately loving around :)
I think that we should be compassionate, and love discriminately our fellow man, but do it both keeping under control our emotions, and apply a continually improved reasoning onto each situation.
Yo, this makes the most sense to me. BTW I'm not black. LOL But yeah this makes a lot of sense, I remember Szaxx saying that he uses wit to help with retrievals. And I would much rather be a witty, funny, smart angel than a clueless basic minded angel in a trillion years from now. LOL The question becomes how to best reach that place. I think college could help with that.
Also just because someone becomes enlightened doesn't mean that they automatically gain critical thinking, logic, and reason or a scientific mind set needed to merge science and spirituality. One can become a Zen devil by negating the reasoning, personal development, self discipline. Just Google "Becoming A Zen Devil."
So I see both sides of this coin. I just wonder sometimes if going to college for all these years are worth it. I guess I really just need to make up my mind what values I want to embody. It's hard though because there seems to be no hard set rules for this. But I got a general idea of the values I want. Just the depression really got me off track.
Well, "indiscriminate love" isn't quite what you think it is. It's not "love" as in the emotion. That's what everyone ends up confusing. It's Love as in acceptance / understanding... the opposite of "Fear".
If Fear is a retreating of self, then Love is an embracing of self.
Adyashanti uses the statement "Allow everything to be as it is" (within reason, obviously... ie: knife guy above)... and that's the crux of "unconditional love".
If you can allow someone to be as they are regardless of how you think they should be, THAT is the epitome of learning to love.
And Plasma, you're right, nothing changes about YOU when you awaken/become enlightened. What changes is your perspective, or how you view the world and those around you.
"Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water."
Here's what I think about reincarnation Plasma.
You're only searching for something more "suitable" than your current reincarnation and that's perfectly fine.
What I've learned to accept is that: Whatever you do, there's always a possibility that you end up in the same exact life you're currently living if you can't be awaken completely and permanently.
What do you do then? Learn to observe, be there when it counts...
Your mind has to understand all the subtleties between the good and the bad.
A better reincarnation? It would be to actually understand this^ and then doing what you think is the right thing to do in all your life situations.
Doing so will make yourself truely believe that you are worth something more, a better challenge maybe? or an easier life?
It all depends on what you want to do.
For your college man, just do what you think is right, don't fear what people might think about you if you drop out.
Find your passion and stick with it.
Quote from: Kzaal on April 29, 2017, 22:43:52
Your mind has to understand all the subtleties between the good and the bad.
Can you explain this more. Thanks for chiming in Kzaal.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on April 30, 2017, 09:13:08
Can you explain this more. Thanks for chiming in Kzaal.
It just means that even if you see something very subtle in a life situation that you can identify it as a good thing or a bad thing.
You can see people who try to manipulate others even if it's really nothing much, you can still see it.
Anything that implies someone's feelings, or someone's generosity or naivety.
Anything that someone can take advantage of. Learn to see theses things even if they're really small.
That way when you look at yourself you can see when you do something wrong. And you can stop doing that thing.
Once you're there all you have to do is good things, that's all.
It's funny because people often think you need to do miracles in order to have a better/more suitable reincarnation when it's actually not the case at all.
All you have to do is, keep the bad deeds to a minimum while doing as much good deeds as you can.
To me if you lend someone a hand for something and they smile and thank you then that's a good deed.
Take care of yourself and try to leave that ego as you go along.
It's hard to do but it can be done.
Edit: Sometimes even a situation that appears to have nothing wrong might have a bad side hidden behind it.
Quote from: Kzaal on April 30, 2017, 11:00:57
It just means that even if you see something very subtle in a life situation that you can identify it as a good thing or a bad thing.
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To me if you lend someone a hand for something and they smile and thank you then that's a good deed.
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Edit: Sometimes even a situation that appears to have nothing wrong might have a bad side hidden behind it.
If that someone is a criminal, you help him hoping he'll change, but he doesn't, and commits another crime, you accumulate bad karma. Indiscriminate goodness isn't a positive thing neither for you, nor for those that get injured as a consequence of your goodness. Agree?
OK thanks Kzaal for the clarification.
*YOUR* Intent is all that truly matters in life.
You can't be held responsible for the actions or intents of others, especially those intents hidden from you.
Quote from: Xanth on April 30, 2017, 21:52:19
*YOUR* Intent is all that truly matters in life.
You can't be held responsible for the actions or intents of others, especially those intents hidden from you.
That would be nice ... but I believe in the truth of the saying "Hell is full of good intentions or desires" (Saint Bernard of Clairvaux (1091-1153), because the "action" part of the karma deals with the results of your actions.
This actually makes a lot of sense, because it stimulates the development of our judgment, and our attunement with the vibrations of the multidimensional Universe. Not knowing, and guessing wrong don't excuse us.
We have all come here to "experience". The good, bad and ugly are all experiences. Like Xanth says, your intent, or the way you handle those experiences is what creates Karma.
The next time you come here, it will be the same and the next and so on. Experiences come in all shapes and sizes and can and do fill up many lifetimes.
In a sense, all that truly exists of anything is "Intent". It's all that goes with you when you die.
Quote from: Xanth on May 01, 2017, 07:58:47
In a sense, all that truly exists of anything is "Intent". It's all that goes with you when you die.
I guess the question then becomes will there be higher level beings that oversee who reincarnates into where and if they are looking at more than just intent for your past life. They just might be looking for the actual effects of our actions. Certainly that is where we can learn the most.
Besides that we all know that here on this physical plane just having a good intent is not enough. Eg when I was a kid I believed that God would protect me no matter what, but that lead me to do careless things sometimes and I eventually ended up getting injured at one point because of that. My intent was wrong even though it was good, and I paid the price. And I've had other similar experiences. But who knows how it works with reincarnation.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on May 01, 2017, 08:27:18
I guess the question then becomes will there be higher level beings that oversee who reincarnates into where and if they are looking at more than just intent for your past life. They just might be looking for the actual effects of our actions. Certainly that is where we can learn the most.
I personally don't believe that someone else decides what should we experience. The individual spirit itself has the intelligence to decide what experiences they need to learn certain things. Don't forget that in pure spirit you can see with a much larger perspective than while in a character. For example, some people have asked me, who in their right mind will bring upon themselves cancer to suffer. And I say, you are thinking now as a human, as a personality with a very very limited view and you cant understand this at this time.
Any situation that we think we didn't extract enough knowledge, will repeat again either in this life or another. If your spirit is not satisfied with the amount of knowledge received from this life, will create another character and will design similar situations until the desired knowledge is received. I personally think if you drop out of college but have the slightest guilt, doubt, etc. this is unfinished business to me. It will have to repeat. If you have no regrets though, that may mean you have already been there, done that many many times. No need to do it again in this life. Your focus in in something else more important, I guess. But that's just my opinion.
Quote from: LightBeam on May 01, 2017, 12:00:32
Any situation that we think we didn't extract enough knowledge, will repeat again either in this life or another.
So we have to keep reincarnating until we get an IQ of over 200 and we like star wars and computer programming or something like that? Hahaha Just joking.
So it seems like there are a couple of themes here.
1. We keep reincarnating until we gain all the knowledge we need (whatever that truly means or is, as knowedge is infinite.)
2. We keep reincarnating until we gain a wide variety of experience.(Experience is infinite.)
3. We keep reincarnating until we gain reach enlighenment, nirvana.
4. We keep reincarnating until we get rid of bad karma.
5. We keep reincarnating until our intentions are pruly to not reincarnate. Lol (Per Xanth)
6. We keep reincarnating until we have learned all the lessons. (Whatever that truly means because if knowledge is infinite then lessons are infinite.)
Maybe the truth is a mixture/ balance of all of them. Maybe we can never truly stop incarnating. Perhaps it becomes more about balance than a black and white situation. But remember I want to reincarnate, just to have a good reincarnation. Even still the above theories should help point the way for me.
Other than that I think it would be a very useful exercise to for me to write down what I think a good reincarnation would look like and why. And how I can best get there considering where I'm currently at.
Thanks everyone for chiming in.
Truthfully I believe our incarnations have nothing to do with Karma. It's all based on experiencing and what we learn from those experiences.
I also believe that the ones that suffer the most are the "oldest souls" to be found. If you had a choice in your first incarnation, what would your life be like? Riches, fame, looks etc. Now go to your last incarnation, maybe it would be being poor in a 3rd world country, handicapped, diseased, etc. In the end though, those are all experiences and that's what grows consciousness itself.
Plasma, it sounds like you want to live in some kind of "protective" bubble. God/your higher self/guides allowed you to do those careless things because that's the way we learn. If there was no dark, we wouldn't know what light is. But we learn more from the darkness then we do the light. We normally take advantage of the light.
While on the road I have come across many people that had major loss in their lives. One show I did in Nebraska, I had a friend that had lost his home to a devastating Tornado. The first few years was all stress and sadness for them.
I talked to him 10 years later and their whole attitude had changed. The guy now said that if it wasn't for the Tornado destroying their lives, their lives wouldn't have improved like it was today. The man had a beautiful new home, new job and even a new wife. But now, he was at peace. From the chaos, came order. As it always does. That devastating Tornado forced the change that he was always fighting. But in the end, he looks at it in a whole different light.
Quote from: Lumaza on May 01, 2017, 14:28:50
While on the road I have come across many people that had major loss in their lives. One show I did in Nebraska, I had a friend that had lost his home to a devastating Tornado. The first few years was all stress and sadness for them.
I talked to him 10 years later and their whole attitude had changed. The guy now said that if it wasn't for the Tornado destroying their lives, their lives wouldn't have improved like it was today. The man had a beautiful new home, new job and even a new wife. But now, he was at peace. From the chaos, came order. As it always does. That devastating Tornado forced the change that he was always fighting. But in the end, he looks at it in a whole different light.
That reminds me of my own experiences. Every time there is something negative happening in my life, I now know to ask "Why did it happen and what is it that I need to change". Because I know there is a very good reason. And every single time, shortly after asking, I receive the answers in a form of a thought if you will. And when I dive deeper into the issues, I realize it's because I'm procrastinating to do something important, I am afraid of certain changes and I don't take certain chances, etc. The moment I make that change, the negative situation disappears and things improve even more than they were prior.
Quote from: Lumaza on May 01, 2017, 14:28:50
Truthfully I believe our incarnations have nothing to do with Karma. It's all based on experiencing and what we learn from those experiences.
I believe that ones that suffer the most are the "oldest souls" to be found. If you had a choice in your first incarnation, what would your life be like? Riches, fame, looks etc. Now go to your last incarnation, maybe it would be being poor in a 3rd world country, handicapped, diseased, etc. In the end though, those are all experiences and that's what grows consciousness itself.
Plasma, it sounds like you want to live in some kind of "protective" bubble. But God/your higher self/guides allowed you to do those careless things because that's the way we learn. If there was no dark, we wouldn't know what light is. But we learn more from the darkness then we do the light. We normally take advantage of the light.
While on the road I have come across many people that had major loss in their lives. One show I did in Nebraska, I had a friend that had lost his home to a devastating Tornado. The first few years was all stress and sadness for them.
I talked to him 10 years later and their whole attitude had changed. The guy now said that if it wasn't for the Tornado destroying their lives, their lives wouldn't have improved like it was today. The man had a beautiful new home, new job and even a new wife. But now, he was at peace. From the chaos, came order. As it always does. That devastating Tornado forced the change that he was always fighting. But in the end, he looks at it in a whole different light.
I feel like I've already paid my dues and learned my lessons in suffering. I've already been in the shadow of death when I lost my health years ago and your right it created peace and understanding in me. But it doesn't have to be that way. I very well could have taken the path of much less suffering and reached the same goal.
If being a poor baby in Africa is suppose to be at the end of the life cycle of a spirit then being a rat with 150 diseases in New York City is enlightenment. Something just doesn't add up there. And yet there does seem to be this eerie connection between suffering and enlightenment. Suffering is only a symptom of the lack something else (usually right knowledge, or attachment to things that cause suffering.) I don't believe that suffering is an end unto it self. Suffering is a path to nowhere. And it's only use is to get us back on course with no suffering. It's like a sign in the road to guide us. It's not our destination.
In fact I use to play victim in order to gain sympathy from God and Jesus. Because I thought that suffering was an end unto itself. I read about all the martyrs for Christianity and how they will get all these crowns and rewards in heaven, and so I couldn't help but to think suffering was an end unto itself. But I was wrong and I am still paying the consequences of this false mindset to this day (long story). It's our monkey mind/brain that creates the desire to suffer and it likely stems from feelings and thoughts of shame or inadequacy. This is not a high spiritual noble goal in and of itself. I am sure a highly advanced society has no need for abject suffering. Perhaps a little suffering would be required for optimal functioning, but not abject suffering.
The only connection between suffering and enlightenment is that suffering should create a bigger desire for enlightenment or help. The end path of suffering leads to the "bad lands," which is where Szaxx went to a few times. A place where almost nobody wants to be.
The only thing I can think of that would cause people to incarnate into the worst reincarnations would be unresolved feelings of guilt and other distorted beliefs.
The number one over arching theme seems that be that we need to learn from our mistakes. But and this can be accomplished with or without suffering depending on how much wisdom understanding and resources we have.
Thoughts?
Quote from: LightBeam on May 01, 2017, 15:09:08
That reminds me of my own experiences. Every time there is something negative happening in my life, I now know to ask "Why did it happen and what is it that I need to change". Because I know there is a very good reason. And every single time, shortly after asking, I receive the answers in a form of a thought if you will. And when I dive deeper into the issues, I realize it's because I'm procrastinating to do something important, I am afraid of certain changes and I don't take certain chances, etc. The moment I make that change, the negative situation disappears and things improve even more than they were prior.
This is why I think intent can't be everything. I've learned that staying in your comfort zone is one of the worst things one can do. It's only by pushing ourselves out of our comfort zone and going into uncharted territory that we can truly grow. Please correct me if I am wrong Xanth but when I think of intent being everything I think of people that stay in their comfort zone and never truly growing because they don't want to pop their comfort zone bubble, so they stay out of sync with reality. And some of them get by a long time like this just fine while others suffer because of staying in their comfort zone. And of those some change learn and grow to learn that intention isn't everything while others don't learn that intention is everything. Thoughts?
Plasma, I apologize for replying here. I thought you would understand what I was trying to say, but I guess you still don't.
Myself and others here have attempted to aid you in seeing things in different light. But you still refuse to notice this for some reason. Allow your mind to open/broaden and you will finally be able to understand the whys, whats and hows of the Multiverse and consciousness itself.
Things have more meaning when they are learned and experienced by "you" yourself. There are only so many piece of the puzzles that other people can help you put together. But you are never alone. Help is always there from your higher self/guides when it is needed. You just have to learn to listen to and heed what they have to say! :wink:
The bad things in life make you stronger! They are a necessity in the growing and evolving process.
Quote from: Lumaza on May 01, 2017, 17:47:31The bad things in life make you stronger! They are a necessity in the growing and evolving process.
I can generally agree with that. All I am saying is that suffering is only needed enough to get us back to no minimal or no suffering. If you look at the Buddhas Noble Eightfold Path there is nothing in there that says that bad things or suffering is good and a part of the path. I'll tell you what if you can show me where the Buddha or a master of meditation actually accepts suffering or bad things as an end goal unto itself then I will gladly reconsider by doing more researching. No hard feelings man.
Quote from: baro-san on April 30, 2017, 13:39:49
If that someone is a criminal, you help him hoping he'll change, but he doesn't, and commits another crime, you accumulate bad karma. Indiscriminate goodness isn't a positive thing neither for you, nor for those that get injured as a consequence of your goodness. Agree?
I don't agree, karma is not transferable from chain reactions. What someone else do with their life is entirely up to them.
Now if you help a criminal knowing that he's a criminal and knowing that he's gonna commit more crime BECAUSE you helped him is another story, you're purposely doing a bad deed by helping him commit more crimes.
Normally this stuff doesn't happen with people who know how to spot bad vibrations a mile away.
I know when I shouldn't trust someone for something, but I also know that I'm not clairvoyant and I can't predict with accuracy what the person is going to do with their life.
So if you help someone who's a "criminal" now I don't know what you meant by that because you can be a criminal for tons of reasons, there's way too many nuances there, it's a very generic term.
You can be a criminal but you did prison and you're out, you'll still be a criminal to the society because of what you've done, it doesn't mean that you didn't learn from your mistakes.
I could help a criminal and he would be even more on the path to the righteousness. It wont change much to your karma tho, you won't get a promotion because he kept going on the right path after you told him to.
You'll get Karma for helping him at the time, but what he does after that is entirely up to him, who knows, maybe someday he'll remember what you said to him and he'll change his way.
If he doesn't at least you've tried.
Since this question was vague I'll say this: If you see someone dying on the street with a gunshot wound knowing he was trying to rob a store, will you still call an ambulance for him or let him die?
What if that person decided to walk another path and ended up a millionaire which gives millions of dollars every year for homeless people and foundations across the globe?
Remember, you wont earn Karma from him helping other people, but you'll earn the karma from which you just saved a life.
The could also go back and finish what he started, what does it change? You can't see the future.
Other people actions are not your actions.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on May 01, 2017, 13:14:31
So we have to keep reincarnating until we get an IQ of over 200 and we like star wars and computer programming or something like that? Hahaha Just joking.
So it seems like there are a couple of themes here.
1. We keep reincarnating until we gain all the knowledge we need (whatever that truly means or is, as knowedge is infinite.)
2. We keep reincarnating until we gain a wide variety of experience.(Experience is infinite.)
3. We keep reincarnating until we gain reach enlighenment, nirvana.
4. We keep reincarnating until we get rid of bad karma.
5. We keep reincarnating until our intentions are pruly to not reincarnate. Lol (Per Xanth)
6. We keep reincarnating until we have learned all the lessons. (Whatever that truly means because if knowledge is infinite then lessons are infinite.)
Maybe the truth is a mixture/ balance of all of them. Maybe we can never truly stop incarnating. Perhaps it becomes more about balance than a black and white situation. But remember I want to reincarnate, just to have a good reincarnation. Even still the above theories should help point the way for me.
Other than that I think it would be a very useful exercise to for me to write down what I think a good reincarnation would look like and why. And how I can best get there considering where I'm currently at.
Thanks everyone for chiming in.
Plasma, it's not about your knowledge... Knowledge doesn't stay, it's about your how you are in touch with your emotions, your awareness and consciousness... Also about sharing wisdom and love.
Knowledge is very different than Wisdom. There's always people boasting around all their college/university diplomas and trying to wipe something off your face with it.
It's not good, you might feel more "powerful" because you know chemistry or physics but that doesn't change that you're a bad person if you keep boasting around like that.
People with great Wisdom are Sages, they don't do much, they observe, they take actions when necessary but above everything they know how to live with people... They know how to behave themselves.
They know that what goes up eventually has to come down.
The higher your wisdom is the better your spiritual experiences will be. You will see things no one else sees and I'm not talking matrix style here... Life changing stuff.
It's like the secret side of life..
There's a difference between understanding physics and understanding how life works, how human behaviors depends on many situations (temperature/seasons/moon phases etc.)
One is knowledge the other is wisdom.
If you have wisdom you are much more inclined to have either an easier reincarnation (because you will have the tools for your next human incarnation and human interactions)
or you will have accumulated so much wisdom that you are ready to take watch over the earth/planets from the astral planes/celestial realms.
Some people think only about knowledge man, and they don't care about wisdom, when it's like the most basic things you could teach yourself and will always follow you.
If you have the wisdom to know that you shouldn't do something because this or that can happen then you are in control of your intent via your consciousness.
Wisdom get "imprinted" in your consciousness because it's too feel so much obvious.
It's like a mathematical formula except that you don't forget it about it because there was too many variables or some things didn't make sense.
Everything is crystal clear when you look through wisdom.
Most of us are just guessing about why we are here now, what we are supposed to do, what of our doing / desiring / thinking mattes and how much, etc..
One sure thing is that on every issue there are people on the opposite sides, and on all the possible shades of gray in between. In long run some of us will be proven wrong and have to support the consequences, while others will be proven right and reap the benefits.
What is good intention in one's mind is wrong in another's. I can't believe that both will get the same passing grade. We'll see.
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection on May 01, 2017, 18:18:50
I can generally agree with that. All I am saying is that suffering is only needed enough to get us back to no minimal or no suffering. If you look at the Buddhas Noble Eightfold Path there is nothing in there that says that bad things or suffering is good and a part of the path. I'll tell you what if you can show me where the Buddha or a master of meditation actually accepts suffering or bad things as an end goal unto itself then I will gladly reconsider by doing more researching. No hard feelings man.
One word, "Death". Look up the way they prepare for death and it's suffering. They call it "Transitioning" for a reason and they don't see that as a bad thing either. It's part of their everlasting evolution!
Listen hon, it's about doing the best you can with what you have in the 'here and now'. What comes next will take care of itself.
Quote from: baro-san on May 01, 2017, 20:01:57
What is good intention in one's mind is wrong in another's. I can't believe that both will get the same passing grade. We'll see.
Each spirit is judged by himself individually, each and everyone of us has to go their own pace.
When it comes to a good versus a bad intention most people know if what they do is good or bad.
Unless that person has a mental illness and/or they suffer from amnesia they understand that if someone did bad thing to them they wouldn't like it.
Not everyone has learned how to counteract their bad habits because that's what they are, they are habits and/or impulsion(s).
They understand that they're doing bad things but they're addicted to the greed or reward from these.
Take example gang members: They reward their crew mates with "respect" for their loyalty and services.
So the prospects will want to be respected by their elders and I have no idea what they call them...anyway, they always want more so they'll do what they have to do.
There's no good or bad, there's skillful and unskillful. The skillful can handle his impulsion(s), his emotions/feelings and he knows how to listen to his consciousness.
The unskillful wont be able to do all theses things, so people with more skill than him will take advantages of him via his need of respect.
Although I don't like saying things like good or bad, you can learn what is good by looking at what is bad.
When you lay down in a comfortable bed it feels great, it feels relaxing, you have no concern.
When you sleeps on a hard floor you feel irritated and angry, you have a troubled mind.
Peace of mind is an easy way to distinguish good vs bad.
Skillful vs Unskillful, the ability to distinguish if you're at peace or if you're troubled.
And it's a problem because if you can't learn from that experience then you're bound to repeat it.
And some people repeat that same error all their life wondering what went wrong.
People just need to learn how to counter their habits from ignoring their true emotions and feelings.
And it's really all about that. Ignorance.
Ignorance/confusion create desires/envy/sensuality that lead eventually to hatred.
Buddhism call it the Three poisons and that's all it is about.
Honestly, someone who can just put these 3 things aside is already on a nice path to a better reincarnation.
If you can control it and even do good deeds without expecting anything in return and just be happy about the results it's even better.
People loose control, happens to everyone, some more than others, as long as you can get back in the driver's seat...
Quote from: Lumaza on May 01, 2017, 20:08:35
One word, "Death". Look up the way they prepare for death and it's suffering. They call it "Transitioning" for a reason and they don't see that as a bad thing either. It's part of their everlasting evolution!
Are you talking about death or dying meditation?
Quote from: Nameless on May 01, 2017, 22:09:15
Listen hon, it's about doing the best you can with what you have in the 'here and now'. What comes next will take care of itself.
This. :)
Yeah it's simple and straight forward. Kind of like "be the best version of yourself." :-)