why do you call us new agers ? On this forum are a lot of different peoples. I am not a "new ager", so i can't answer, sorry ...
Any new ager to answer here ?
Than what are you if that is ok to ask.
I am sure you adhere to pantheistic, mystical, meditative ideologies???
Greetings Allanon,
Trying to provoke people by using "new agers" as a derogatory label will get you know where.
New age is just that, a new and very eclectic philosophy based upon a wide range of teachings from many sources and ages.
Mysticism and meditation have existed long, long before christianity was even thought of, and it does not make people "new agers". It makes them followers of age-old knowledge and disciplines based upon an extremly sound basis of information.
Where the creed and dogma of the church differs considerably from most other Spiritual disciplines and philosophies is the latter originate from many, many diverse sources from many, many races cultures all around the world, and all are in broad agreement because at the final analysis there is only one truth.
Christianity is based upon the flimsy foundation of a book with no provable origins or content, and which was contrived, hashed and rehashed numerous times over the centuries to suit the needs of the churches of the day in controlling the masses.
Let me ask you this. One of your commandments is "thou shalt not kill". How many people have died in the name of christianity over the centuries?
With best regards,
Adrian.
i'm not a "new ager", but i will still try explaining some things. morality has been around for a long time. even before christianity came about. you don't have to be a christian to have morals. have you ever studied the teachings of various religions around the world? most of them have basically the same messages of morality as the christian religion. have you ever really bothered to look at religions beyond whether they do or do not believe in jesus? they all have so many similarities, it's astounding sometimes. but i also think that you don't even have to have a religion in order to have morals. as long as you realize that we are all connected, that you realize the beauty, the divinity in all the things around us, the animals, plants, rocks, whatever, as long as you can empathize with all the other beings around you, you will naturally develop morals. i mean, look around you! god is in everything.. god created all this. how can you not have respect for it all? hurting others (physically or mentally), hurting the world around us, is hurting god and his/her/it's creations.... and perhaps, in the end, hurting yourself, because we are all connected to each other.
jesus had so many wonderful things to teach, and i'll bet he's in heaven tearing his hair out to see how people have warped, corrupted, twisted his teachings into messages of hate and non-acceptance of others. i doubt jesus wanted for us all to hate each other and bicker over petty things, like what he meant in such and such a sentence, in a book written by human beings that like to claim it was written by god. his message was of love for all beings... but now he must sit and watch his (conservative christian) followers kill and preach in the name of hate. why would jesus condemn so much of the world to hell for not believing in(and in some cases, not even having heard of) him? that doesn't sound very loving, accepting, or "moral" to me (sounds kinda petty and jealous, really, which i doubt jesus was). conservative christians have all this yammering on about "family values"... so many of these values are about teaching hate and fear of anyone who is different, or thinks differently, or believes differently. diversity is what makes this world so amazing, so fascinating, so divine! but it seems like conservative christians want to change us all into unthinking, all-alike star trek "borg". i think you really need to take a look at other religions and their beliefs and practices, UNJUDGINGLY, and think about things without always sticking the bible into all of your reasoning. or maybe, try to see things through jesus's eyes... What Would Jesus Do? would jesus think, "oh, well that's it, man, you're gonna burn in hell!", or would he look at everything through loving eyes, and say, "yes, this is like my own message, these are kindred spirits"?
but really, i know with people in your mindset, it's near impossible to get through. all we can do is hope that jesus will send you a message or a sign to lead you down a loving, accepting path instead of a condemning, hating one. everyone around the world is more alike than different from each other, when it comes to morals and spirituality, it seems to me.
www.theosociety.org
This is what I am, okay? Look at it, it's a broad set of truths from ALL religions, including your own book of misinterpreted garbage. Eastern thought has been around a lot longer than New Age, though the two merely coincide on a lot of points. However, eastern religions are much purer and true than the western bastardization that is modern Christianity.
Greetings Curiousgirl,
Very well said [:)]
It does highlight one most fundamental reality; all of mankind are God and Jesus and God and Jesus are all of mankind.
When someone, such as Allanon judges other people, he also judges himself, and he most assuredly judges God and Jesus.
With best regards,
Adrian.
It is wrong to control any life form or its property except to stop it from doing what this sentence says is wrong. This is my entire morality. I got this by seeing how little control there is in astral.
Morality is an effect of being spiritual. Spirituality leads to morality. Morality as a means to acheiving spirituality, as proposed by radical judeo-christian philosophy, leads to selfrightousness and book burning intolarance.
What is moral? I'd say respect and love. Specific actions that flow from that are moral, and spirituality makes respect and love very natural.
And these spirituality is what we all seek. You cannot put the cart before the horse. Morality before spirituality leads to witchburning, jihad, religous terrorism, and hatred of others who do not follow your pet dogma.
And I do not consider myself a new ager. But I do seek spirituality in all its forms. Christianity was too superficial, dogmatic and mythological for me. But if it works for you, go for it.
All other religons are mans attempt to contact God.
Christianity is the the ONLY religon which is God's call to man. It is the only authentic religon when it comes to the Way, Truth, and the Light.
You are all wasting your time with this New Age garbage and mystical illusions. All of these religons put man in the place of God and are all false. You will find the Truth only in the Bible.
New Age philosophy is Satanism in disguise. Ask any Satanist what they beleive and it is just about the same as what you guys convey on this board. The only difference is that the Satanist knows who is orchestrating there religon.
Do what thou wilt. Relativism. Universalism. All the same root which is the Devil.
You are not God and this reality is not God. God is self suffiecient and does not need you or your twisted ideas to exist. REPENT.
Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your God. It is the only Way to avoid a lot of agony. Trust me.
I guess Im a little newagish.. even though I dont get the term.. I buy books from that section of the store so must be a little.
I dont know why but I like the term metaphysical more. I think of new age as more upper class people doing yoga in those tight pants and acting a little too happy about it all. I think I saw that in a movie.
Anyway I agree with Adrian.. well said curiousgirl.
Its hard for me to really answer Alanons questions seriously cus I sort of think he might be doing it to get a reaction more than really trying to "spread the word".
I do not consider myself a new-ager, but I would like to respond anyway:
My morality is very simple: When I act with love towards myself, God (as I understand him even though that is different from your beliefs) and the world around me to the best of my ability, then I am being moral. When I directly or indirectly withold my love from myself or the world I around me, I am to that exact same extent failing to manifest my "ideal" morality.
When asked to sum up the 10 commandments, Jesus advocated something similar: "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, and mind and love thy neighbor as much as you love yourself. If you do these two things, you will fulfill all of the ten commandments." (Mat 22:37)
I think if you take an honest look, you will see that your Christian values are pretty much the same as those of anybody else who is making a genuine effort to walk a spiritual path. I also think if you really look, you will see that many people who are walking spiritual paths other than Christianity are often more successful at acting out the love of Christ than are most so-called Christians.
--Soulfire
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Originally posted by Allanon
All other religons are mans attempt to contact God.
Christianity is the the ONLY religon which is God's call to man. It is the only authentic religon when it comes to the Way, Truth, and the Light.
You are all wasting your time with this New Age garbage and mystical illusions. All of these religons put man in the place of God and are all false. You will find the Truth only in the Bible.
New Age philosophy is Satanism in disguise. Ask any Satanist what they beleive and it is just about the same as what you guys convey on this board. The only difference is that the Satanist knows who is orchestrating there religon.
Do what thou wilt. Relativism. Universalism. All the same root which is the Devil.
You are not God and this reality is not God. God is self suffiecient and does not need you or your twisted ideas to exist. REPENT.
Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your God. It is the only Way to avoid a lot of agony. Trust me.
BRAVO ! This post is a chef d'oeuvre of pure INTEGRISM !
---------> trashbox
I never ever ever heard of new agers. Heh
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Originally posted by Allanon
All other religons are mans attempt to contact God.
Christianity is the the ONLY religon which is God's call to man. It is the only authentic religon when it comes to the Way, Truth, and the Light.
You are all wasting your time with this New Age garbage and mystical illusions. All of these religons put man in the place of God and are all false. You will find the Truth only in the Bible.
New Age philosophy is Satanism in disguise. Ask any Satanist what they beleive and it is just about the same as what you guys convey on this board. The only difference is that the Satanist knows who is orchestrating there religon.
Do what thou wilt. Relativism. Universalism. All the same root which is the Devil.
You are not God and this reality is not God. God is self suffiecient and does not need you or your twisted ideas to exist. REPENT.
Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your God. It is the only Way to avoid a lot of agony. Trust me.
I'm going to be sick...shall I break out my bible and cite some interesting info?
-Tenacious[:P]
PS:my bible is by my bed, always. RESPECT OTHERS IS WHAT GOD WANTS RIGHT? I hope so.[:O]
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I feel sorry for you if that is what you think.
And besides it is not your place to judge ANYONE.
Let's just entertain the idea for a moment that you are right. Then we will be judged by GOD for our actions not you. What you think of the people on this forum will have no bearing on GOD's judgement. To think so is placing your judgement above God's. And that my friend is a sin. As the "good" book tells us time and time again, no one is above God.
So please if you wish to have intellictual discussion on the topic on why you believe then fine. If not, take your "holier than thou" attitude and go some place else.
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Please note. Although I had many thing that this message wished to convey I have changed my mind and will only leave the above section. It will most likely save me some explaining down the road.
In the past few years since I basically walked away from the christian faith, I have seen far more evidence of the moral values and teaching of Jesus amongst these 'new age' (a term that I personally dislike) type people such as are on this forum than I ever did in the 16 years attending churches as a born again christian.
What I saw mostly within the christian churches, note I say CHURCHES, not Jesus or God was financial scams, tax evasion, employee intimidations, abuse of ministerial positions, legalistics, 'inner sanctum' type groups, scaremongering, racial and religious intolerance, and so many other things that showed that so many of these people were living lives that were the exact opposite of what they professed to believe in. All in the name of Jesus, and according to the word of the Bible. So many people so caught up with dogma and doctrines, and not just one dogma and doctrine, many different ones depending on which version of the 'true' word of God they claim to follow.
What I see amongst more esoteric people, who have escaped all the dogmas and doctorines to follow a spiritual path that they have felt best suits them as an individual, is far more of the actual moral values and standards that Jesus spoke of. We all seek a path to our creator, and our creator has shown us, through people like Jesus, how best to achieve this.
To this end Jesus told us some very simple things - "Love one another as you would love yourself," and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
It doesn't get much simpler than that!
So why then does it seem that the ranks of the worlds major religions such as christians and muslims seem to have so many fanatics that are so hell bent on forcing they're beliefs on other people, they totally ignore the most basic and fundamental principals of their religions. The two simple phrases above are written in both the Bible and the Qaran.
So in answer to Allanon's question, I am neither christian or new age. I follow a path that would be best described as pagan-shamanistic, if I am required to put a brand on it. I believe VERY much in the words of Jesus himself, and I believe VERY much in the laws of cause and effect, which suggest to me that if I treat others with the respect that I would like to be treated and show other people love instead of intolerance, then I am living with the kind of moral values that the churches are supposed to be displaying, and will succeed in my spiritual journey.
Which means I would not ever consider signing on to a christian discussion forum and repeatedly telling them that they are all wrong, as that shows neither love nor respect.
It is worth mentioning here that one of my closest friends is a born again christian who has personally experienced the presence of Jesus, and attends a non-denominational christian study group. He is one of the christians I have come to know that truly embodies the qualities that christ set as an example to those who would follow him, just as I have seen if christians who are regular members on this site. He knows of my beliefs, and is not at all judgemental, but rather he is happy for me, as he knows that I am on spiritual path of my own that seeks to bring me closer to our common creator. A goal we both share.
James.
Did the bookburning biblethumper [:o)] actually say "REPENT" ? WOW!!! [:O] Remind me never to take Kool-Aid from this guy!!! [xx(]
Well I shouldn't laugh. I used to be one. Then I grew up. So I DO KNOW THE LINES. I guess that's why I get so ticked off at these guys. They really messed with my mind back then. Talk about brainwashing and cult mentality. I was strongly discouraged to read anything else that was not on the church's bookstore. And yes, I was forced to burn books.
But you know what fellow Astralpulsers, I think this guy is not even for real. He is so stereotypicaly intolerant its almost a joke. REPENT??? Brings back memories! How intolerant I was. So yes I have repented. Never again will I be a Biblethumper.
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Originally posted by Allanon
What is your standard for living and why do you think it is True. Are there any New Agers here that beleive in Absolute Truth or are you all relativists?
Mine would have to be the Rede...
"An' harm ye none do what ye will."
Translation:
Do what you wwill as long as you dont harm others.
I try to be as caring and as good as I can. While I am a Wiccan, I dont claim to know absolute truth. I could be wrong, but I could be right.
Dear Allanon,
I would not say I am a new ager. The term has become associated with all manner of things that have nothing to do with a spiritual approach to life.
Unfortunately, most organized religions have little to do with spiritual growth either. But that is another issue.
If I had to say what I am, it would be a Judeo-Christian Buddhist with native American leanings. I personally do not see any contradiction between their concepts. I believe there is one life and that life is God. All life is good, and all life is one. I try to follow the precept of harm no living thing.
However, I must say it is often difficult for me to live up to that concept as, like most people, I meet people every day that I do not consider to be my brother or sister in oneness. I see people on the news and wonder if they are even in the same species. I have my small, petty, and vengeful moments. Also, I am not, and will never be, a vegetarian.
But I do like to think these are the principles that I judge myself against, but not others as I cannot know what is in their souls. It is not my place to know that. Nor is it yours, actually. Yet you do. You are making a negative judgment about all the people here on this forum who are doing nothing more than stretching their spiritual muscles and exploring their multi-dimensional selves in ways that perhaps you are not ready to attempt.
Do open your mind a bit and consider the idea that all religions have some of the truth and none have the only truth or even all of the truth. Most religions teach the same basic thing - believe in God, don't kill, don't steal, be kind to others, don't lie or cheat.
I don't know of one that doesn't teach those things. The problem is within us - we as a race of people, have such a hard time living in such a way. The problem is also with those who use their religion and its teachings as a bat to beat someone with -- or worse.
I am a Christian, but I think "my" Jesus and God is far different from "yours". Mine would not condemn anyone for searching for their own path to follow, for exploring other spiritual ideas, or even for being an atheist or a pagan or of any other religion.
I have found great comfort in the Bible. I have also found it in the words of the Buddha, of Ghandi, native American songs, zen poems, and many, many other books I have read.
I have met people of so many different religions. Some were worth knowing, some were were worth avoiding. Whatever they "believe in" is not as important as what they live. How much you miss by not meeting such people, either in books or in fact.
I would hope that in time, you can become more accepting of those who do not believe or think or live as you do. Fortunately, no one has to. That is the wonderful thing about not living in a theocracy.
Greetings Allanon,
Have a look at the quote from www.nomofakenews.com[:)]
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It is no accident that the movement called surrealism originated in Europe, the continent over whose reality the Vatican held sway.
Surrealism sought to short-circuit reality and break it apart and reveal its seams and stitches and facades. Surrealism made a joke of the One Reality.
WHY DOES THE INDIVIDUAL HAVE TO BE SEEN AS PART OF A GREATER WHOLE?
WHY DOES THE INDIVIDUAL HAVE TO BE DEFINED AS PART OF A LARGER WHOLE?
Whom does that definition benefit?
It benefits those who slaughter their way into being in charge of describing and legislating that greater whole.
"I will tell you what the larger whole is, and then I will force you to submit to it. I will do everything possible to convince you that you are small and the whole is your only hope. Attaching yourself to that whole is your only salvation."
Notice that all this has NOTHING to do with realizing that Self is much larger than you suppose. It has nothing to do with cooperative action and the feeling one has when he is part of a team.
No. ALL THIS is a method of restricting self to begin with. It is a method of slavery. It is making a definition of infinity and god that will shrink your conception of self and then, as a result, bring on all the results that flow from that sense of restriction...
JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com
Yours,
Osiris.
You guys all seem to follow some sort of moral code.
Interesting.
Interesting is it not that ALL OF YOU HAVE FAILED AT ONE TIME IN YOUR LIFE TO FULFILLING THAT CODE.
Interesting too that any "moral" definition ar good that is strewn out here is found in the Holy Bible which is Absolute Truth.
Jesus Christ is the ONLY person who lived up to the True Law of God. You guys may think you are right BUT I KNOW I AM RIGHT. It is not a beleif. Christ is the Truth.
Allanon,
Of course we have all failed -- that is a definition of being human and imperfect. It is not whether we succeed or fail at living up to the good - or the absolutes - as you call them, but rather the intention to do so even while recognizing that there will be times that we do fail. And recognizing our failures and imperfections while striving to overcome them or finding a way to live with them.
You imply that everyone here believes in some kind of relativism. Not so. There are some absolutes and decent people of all belief systems know what they are.
Jesus's commandment to love one another did not say unless they happen to believe something other than what you do. Jesus's words and the words he lived by, and taught to others appear in most holy books in many places around the world. Does that make them any less true? No, of course not. Nor are the people who read or write those words any less valuable of loved by God, whatever name you use.
So no, we are none of us perfect here. We all fail to live up to our highest good and ideals at one time or another.
I suspect this also applies even to you.
I will ask the unasked question: If you are so offended by the people on this forum, calling them Satanists and all, what are you doing here?
You have made up your mind, and peace be with you in your beliefs.
The rest of us, with all our failings and imperfections, are still thinking about it all in a thousand different ways.
13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature,[2] God made you[3] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[4]
You see my friends we are all striving to do the right things. I understand that you reach out to God in the best Way you know how. But the sad reality is that we can never be good enough to live up to the "code" of Love that we hold too. That is why God sent His only begotan Son so that we may be freed from the standards that we fail at constantly.
1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual[1] act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Live your lives in Love like you have been but you must put Christ at the top of your list of priorities. He freed us from the Law and there will come a Day when those who did not beleive in His Words will be doomed from the Law. You must let the Holy Spirit take over your heart.
Enough preaching already. You didn't answer the question!
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I will ask the unasked question: If you are so offended by the people on this forum, calling them Satanists and all, what are you doing here?
Romans 15:16
16to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 15:19
by the power of signs and miracles, through the power of the Spirit. So from Jerusalem all the way around to Illyricum, I have fully proclaimed the gospel of Christ. Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth–to every nation, tribe, language and people.Colossians 1:23
if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. I hope this answers your question.
No, actually it doesn't.
It is simply quotations from a source outside of yourself.
Allanon "You guys all seem to follow some sort of moral code.
Interesting.
Interesting is it not that ALL OF YOU HAVE FAILED AT ONE TIME IN YOUR LIFE TO FULFILLING THAT CODE."
Physical existance FORCES us to not follow our own codes. If I were to follow mine...
"It is wrong to control any life form or its property except to stop it from doing what this sentence says is wrong."
...I would starve because I couldnt eat any plants or animals, but that doesnt mean its not wrong to kill them. You are a hypocrite. Your bible says everybody is a sinner so you cant follow your codes either.
Allanon,
To which "branch" of the Christian faith do you belong?
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Allanon,
To which "branch" of the Christian faith do you belong?
12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[3] one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[4] ? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[5] the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.I was baptised by the Spirit and attend Evangelical Free Church. All "braches" of the Church are part of the Body of Christ.
However.
Those "brances" that continually reject the Word of God and its True meaning will be cut off from the Body of Christ like a branch that bears no fruit.
didn't you fruited on a branch that felt a veeeery long time ago ?
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Originally posted by Allanon
12The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13For we were all baptized by[3] one Spirit into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free--and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
14Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
21The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" 22On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has combined the members of the body and has given greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
27Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues. 29Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[4] ? Do all interpret? 31But eagerly desire[5] the greater gifts.
And now I will show you the most excellent way.
That quote would be much wiser in context to the body of all humanity rather than the body of one single organization.
Religions (real realigion, not dogmatic mainstream crap) are all just different colored doors to the same basic truth about the divine self. They are the vessel you assume through which you are able to discover your own true personal reality.
Greetings Allanone,
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Originally posted by Allanon
I was baptised by the Spirit and attend Evangelical Free Church. All "braches" of the Church are part of the Body of Christ.
However.
Well I suppose that explains your evangelising [:)]
The fact is, we are all an integral aspect of The All, God and Jesus, and The All, God and Jesus is an integral aspect of all of us.
In words you will accept:
Is it not written in your law, "I have said, You are Gods" ---John 10:34
On that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me and I in you ---John 14:20
I would suggest you think very deeply about these passages from the bible as written. They express the truth we are inseparable from God and vice versa, and God is not an autonomous deity standing in judgement over any aspect of humanity. We are all totally equal in the eyes of God, all part of the same Universe, and all subject to the same immutable Universal laws of cause and effect. No amount of words or books will alter that fact one iota.
I would also like you to consider very deeply what will happen to you when you pass on. Like everyone, you will transition to a part of the Astral realm analogous to your character, beliefs and development. If you really believe what you are saying, you will find yourself in a lower part of the Astral known as a "belief system territory", and which will be full of people like yourself all preaching to and trying to convince each other. Of course, after time, everyone in a BST will come to realise the reality, and can then move on to the mod levels of the Astral which are a whole lot more peaceful, harmonious and pleasant.
With best regards,
Adrian.
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I would suggest you think very deeply about these passages from the bible as written. They express the truth we are inseparable from God and vice versa, and God is not an autonomous deity standing in judgement over any aspect of humanity. We are all totally equal in the eyes of God, all part of the same Universe, and all subject to the same immutable Universal laws of cause and effect. No amount of words or books will alter that fact one iota.
Yes you are correct!!! We are inseperable from God and under the same LAW OF GOD. The problem is NONE OF US HAVE FULFILLED THAT LAW. WE HAVE ALL FAILED. NO MATTER HOW MUCH LOVE YOU SPREAD OR HALLMARK CARDS YOU SEND TO SICK OLD PEOPLE THE FACT REMAINS THAT AT ONE POINT IN YOUR LIFE YOU SLIPPED UP!!! The only Way to exist in the Kingdom of Heaven is if the Perfect Being of Christ takes your spot at the judgement.
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I would also like you to consider very deeply what will happen to you when you pass on. Like everyone, you will transition to a part of the Astral realm analogous to your character, beliefs and development. If you really believe what you are saying, you will find yourself in a lower part of the Astral known as a "belief system territory", and which will be full of people like yourself all preaching to and trying to convince each other. Of course, after time, everyone in a BST will come to realise the reality, and can then move on to the mod levels of the Astral which are a whole lot more peaceful, harmonious and pleasant.
As far as this New Age deception goes it is quite obvious that you are falling prey to Satans first lie. YE SHALL SHURELY NOT DIE.
THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH MY FRIEND AND YOU MUST REALIZE THAT WHEN YOU DIE YOU DIE. THE ONLY HOPE YOU HAVE IS TO BE RESSURECTED IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.
I was once in your shoes and bought the lies. I practiced AP and delved into the world of the Shaman. I had entity contacts that I now realize were demons tricking me into a false sense of security. They don't want you to accept the blood of Christ because that means you get away.
I am not trying to be an butt on this forum and truly do Love all of you in Christ because I know EXACTLY what you are going through. I am telling you that there is life after death but it is only to be found in the Perfect deity of Jesus Christ. If your APing means so much to you fine. But at least give Him a chance and pray to Him sometime just for curiousities sake.
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1Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual[1] act of worship. 2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is--his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Greetings Allanon,
This is my final word on this topic.
You are personifying God as a vengeful, tyrannical deity, which is one of the biggest problems with the church.
There is no judgement only cause and effect. Your position in the Astral will be determined by your level of enoblement and your beliefs plain and simple. You might well find Jesus and go to heaven after you pass on, but the heaven you will find is one created by like minded people in the lower Astral.
The most powerful force in the Universe is unconditional love, without which the entire Universe would collapse into chaos. Everyone is an immortal spirit, and all have countless aeons if required to ascend to the level of unity with our creator, the ultimate destiny of all mankind.
With best regards,
Adrian.
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Yes you are correct!!! We are inseperable from God and under the same LAW OF GOD. The problem is NONE OF US HAVE FULFILLED THAT LAW. WE HAVE ALL FAILED.
If all you can see is the 'Law of God' as has been interpreted by man, then you will never understand the Love of God, as he has told us of himself.
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I was once in your shoes and bought the lies. I practiced AP and delved into the world of the Shaman. I had entity contacts that I now realize were demons tricking me into a false sense of security.
If you are truly experienced in astral projection then you will surely be familiar with the concept that while in the astral your thoughts determine your reality. If you go looking for demons all the time what do you think you will find? Are you familiar with the term used in christian circles - Witchhunter?
You are so hung up on the fact that almost any spirit entity that you come across that doesn't fit the bill of God, Jesus or the angels is some form of demon. Do you presume to believe that God is so limited in his ability to create life that he is confined to only creating good spirits as humans have tried to define within the pages of the bible? Are you so arrogant to think that in the entirety of the universe and all its multitude of dimensions that the only good beings out there have all been catalogued by a few humans a few thousand years ago?
I like to think that I'm an even tempered person, and as a moderator here I'm supposed to be someone that does not condone, let alone partake in any form of insults, but your comments speak of a mind so narrow that you could look through a kehole with both eyes at the same time. You are so dogmatic in your approach that you are completely blind to the fact that there are a great many people here, myself none the least of which, who have spent many years as christians going to church and study/prayer groups, reading the bible, and have come to the conclusion that IT IS NOT THE SPIRITUAL PATH WE WISH TO TAKE!
We are not sheep! Bible interpretations seem to want us to be sheep. Why? becase they are stupid and follow someone without thinking. Most current interpretations of the bible were assembled in the middle ages and used by rulers of the time to keep the illiterate masses in control by feeding them rubbish like "believe in the word or you will DIE!" Hellfire and brimstone preaching tactics no longer work on literate thinking people, who actually have an ounce of grey matter that they can use to decide what spiritual path they wish to take.
You may have noticed from other posts that I have no objection to people following the christian path. If they have genuinely thought about it and have chosen it of their own free will, then more power to them. They WILL be blessed! But so will anyone who chooses a path of light, and seeks out our one true creator.
Your words, your bible passages, your one track arguments have all been heard before, and indeed have probably been used by many of us oureslves at one time or another.
They don't work! Get over it! If you wish to partake of these forums to share your opinions on subjects, then fine. You are welcome to. But just stop with the hard line evangelising!
James.
Allanon,
You haven`t answeared my little question...
Why did God said: "Adam where are you ? why are you hiding ?"
God can see everything..
This happend after the Great O` Sin
Mike
Allanon, perhaps it would be good for you to talk to us in detail about your experiences in the astral. it would help us to understand where you are coming from, and perhaps we can help you. i think that's the main missing piece in all of this... what has brought you down this road. your preaching is not going to get through to us, we can't understand where you're coming from because it is so illogical, but maybe we can have a good discussion about your experiences, and if you want a debate, we can debate over the meanings of your experiences.
What is your standard for living and why do you think it is True. Are there any New Agers here that beleive in Absolute Truth or are you all relativists?