I just want to know what do you think of the plant its self, and in addition you can share your views on it being legalized.
it should be legal.
its a plant that you can consume without having to chemicaly refine like opium, its a natural right.
No one has ever died from an overdose. It fuels drug wars and violence.
Its not the best thing for your memory or clear thinking, but for w/e reasons people chose to use it is noones buisness especially not the goverments.
it's a good medicine, it even could cure cancer, of course it should be legalised, but it won't as long as BIG PHARMA has a say in the matters, that won't happen too soon
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Idk about that. THe last time it was on the ballot in california its lost but by a very close match. The next time it is on the ballot three states(washington, colorada) will vote whether or not to legalize it instead or just california.
Also the use of it in films and many, many documentaries is altering the overall view of marijuana.
I say legalize it also , but there are too many people in gov. that are making money on it being illegal . Ever one would have a pot plant in there garden if it were legal . Med. pot was aproved by the voters hear in my US state of Arizona , but first the govonor fought it and now the state atg. gen. is fighting it . As long as certain people are making money on it being illegal , it will stay that way . desert rat
I would not want it to be legalized. I could not imagine smelling 2nd hand marijuana smoke all day long. It is a terrible smell.
On secound hand smoke , many years ago my sistor lived with this lady and a local Phoenix band . A young lady and me visited my sistor , she admired the nice dragon on a set of bongs . We did not smoke any thing , but others were . The next day she called me asking what had happned , she had no conscious memory of that day , she got high on secound hand smoke . Its a burning leave smell , I smell it on occasion . desert rat
Putting the "smoking" aspect of it aside for a second... the plant itself has so many varied uses.
For example: http://www.informationdistillery.com/hemp.htm
But that only scratches the surface of it.
A hemp industry would completely redefine our society. I read somewhere that if you farmed 8% of the US landmass as hemp, you could use the oils and do away with our gasoline dependency.
Honestly, before anyone condemns it... do a bit of research first. It's quite literally the saviour plant.
On hemp , it is my understanding that is was the cotton farmers that helped get marijuna made illegal . It competed with cotton , and makes better rope . I believe there are t shirts made of hemp you can buy . desert rat
Quote from: desert-rat on September 06, 2012, 20:46:29
On hemp , it is my understanding that is was the cotton farmers that helped get marijuna made illegal . It competed with cotton , and makes better rope . I believe there are t shirts made of hemp you can buy . desert rat
A lot of industries would fall if we farmed hemp.
Gasoline...
Paper...
Cotton too, yes...
And many others.
I agree with Xanth here. A LOT of industries would fall.
And aside from that, people don't know how to use it as a recreational drug.
If it was legalized we would have so many people that just smoked and smoked everyday, not doing anything.
In turn, hindering our spiritual development.
Maybe if we learned how to use things in moderation for recreation the laws against marijuana would change.
must watch:
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=AA4DC9365910F348E43E1B96A3179658
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On industries that might be hurt by the legalization of pot . I would think beer , wine , and hard liq. consuption would go down . Why buy a 30 pac of bud when you can grow your own pot for free ? I have also heard the distilers ind. is behind keeping marijuana illegal . desert rat
legal.
it's safer than alcohol.
it's only illegal because it threatened the timber industry back in the day. hemp makes much better paper than trees.
"Legalize It" by Peter Tosh
QuoteLegalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it
Some call it tampee
Some call it the weed
Some call it Marijuana
Some of them call it Ganja
Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it
Singer smoke it
And players of instruments too
Legalize it, yeah, yeah
That's the best thing you can do
Doctors smoke it
Nurses smoke it
Judges smoke it
Even the lawyers too
Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it
It's good for the flu
It's good for asthma
Good for tuberculosis
Even umara composis
Legalize it - don't criticize it
Legalize it and i will advertise it
Bird eat it
And they leave it
Fowls eat it
Goats love to play with it
Yes, a lot of industries and corporations would be affected, most especially Big Pharma. And yes, hemp is a cure for cancer, as well as a cure for many other diseases.
Hemp will never be legalized because once again the "System" demands it. And who is the System? WE are for the umpteenth time. :lol: As long as the current mindset of the global society remains the same then don't expect anything to change.
Things will change. Slowly.
no one has ever died from THC poisoning.....Legalize it! it is a cure for cancer IMHO, I think the side effects are minimal (laughing, extreme munchies, etc.....)
Y'know, violent, deadly force is being used against people who smoke weed. This is a criminal act, and the people guilty of harming others for smoking a plant will have to be tracked down to their homes and brought to justice before they cause further harm.
Debating the legality of weed is idiotic. It's like if your neighbor stabbed you for planting a garden, and the neighborhood responded by debating whether or not gardens should be allowed.
Quote from: Xanth on September 07, 2012, 19:24:44
Things will change. Slowly.
Yeah you're right. Change is always constant, right? :wink:
Basically, I'm just making the point that all these institutions, such as corporations and governments, that conspire against society for their own benefit are only doing what we demand they do. Take Big Pharma for example. As long as the major pharmacutical companies continue making billions of dollars from consumers with cancer or other illnesses, they will of course do anything in their power to prevent anything from interfering with that by conditioning society into believing there is no cure through mass media, and that their chemically made medicines are the only thing that will subdue or relieve their illness. They of course heavily influence governments to pass laws against anyone or anything that gets in the way, which include natural cures. Does anyone actually think they want the sick to get well? They don't want us to die of course, well at least not all the time :evil:, because we pay their bills and their lifestyle. But the way the system is setup, it's only logical that they want to keep society sick. A corporation can't make money by being ethical. They wouldn't survive. Big Pharma is just one example. This is the personality of most all institutions because this is the personality of mainstream society.
So again, as long as the majority of mainstream society continues believing they must consume pharmacutical medicines to get "well" because their doctor told them so, and because all the commercials tell them so, and as long as they keep believing that naturally grown cures are nothing more than hippie crackpot snake oil because the movies and T.V. tell them so, then marijuana will continue to be illegal, and it will continue to be extremely challenging for others to get the real cure that actually works.
Like I've said before. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of this. Everything is working exactly as it is intended. Everything that occurs is our choice. Otherwise it wouldn't occur of course. :wink: The system is setup exactly the way we chose to set it up, all to satisfy the demands of our ego. These are all excellent learning opportunities however. As every single moment is our own personal learning experience, we should collectively learn to work through these issues. If we didn't have these conflicts, or any conflicts for that matter, we wouldn't have much to learn from.
Everytime protestors get out into the streets and protest against companies that perform unethically, the protestors are in a sense protesting against themselves because they are protesting against the very institutions that we ourselves created to suit our demands. Sure, the company in question will implement new policies within reason to satisfy the protestors, but the new policies DO NOT change the person. So what happens next? Everyone goes back home and continues doing the same thing they've always been doing: Serving the self, serving their ego, and more times than not, the new policies end up being worse than before while at the same time 10 other companies are cropping up that will behave unfavorably towards society in some form or another. It is impossible to change anything outside ourselves, so trying to change our institutions with protests or revolt will do nothing to change the system, because once again We as a collective are the System.
Just FYI, everytime we spend money at a grocery store, a department store, or practically any place of business that feeds our institutions throughout the globe, we cast our vote and give our support to the destruction of our ecology by supporting aggriculture, oil, hydrolic fracturing, chemical refineries, etc. We give our support to many many other conflicts accross the globe because we all live out of harmony with the planet, with nature, and with each other by obsessively satisfying the demads of our ego. To keep up with the increasing demands of society our institutions, which include our governments frequently have to go to extreme measures to keep up with those demands, such as wars, occupation, genocide etc.. So when someone talks about how terrible it is that our institutions prevent the use of substances that has the potential of saving lives, or how terrible this corporation is or that corporation is, or how stupid our laws are, etc., my question is always:
IS THIS A PROBLEM?
If it is, then what can we do to solve the problem?
Each and everyone one of us could easily grow our own hemp if we wanted to. We could grow absolutely anything we wanted that could improve our lives, and there's nothing our institutions or laws could do about it if we would all support each other. We could do absolutely ANYTHING we wanted and have a society never before experienced in the history of our planet if we all served one another instead of serving ourselves. Global Unifcation is THE solution. I'm not interested in how utopian that may sound to some. Again, that is just more conditioning by mainstream media. I understand that the majority of society is dominated by belief systems and of course the ego at the present moment. Overcoming them is of course part of our learning experience. However, global unification and world peace is not impossible. It is inevitable.
So again, our institutions are not the problem. There is no problem. At the end of the day we only have ourselves.
Hi,
Long term effects of heavy use...
No-one gives a shut.
So nothing gets done.
No more weed on sale,
All users on the run.
The world will be that place,
Failing is easy find,
coz all of humanity,
Has a schizophrenic mind.
Use the plant but smoke, its a joke.
If weed-haters were dead, we wouldn't have to listen to that stuff. Sounds good doesn't it?
Only if its for the greater good.
We all have an opinion, the users say this the others say that. The general idea is all try its effects and form a consensus on its pro's and con's.
That way you get to the bottom and the choice is yours.
The question of is it good for my personal circumstances (illnesses) or will it create a problem that's new and worse (lack of coherence, eg, driving).
The end result will be whats been referred to as big pharma. Thats the medicine industry all over again...
Thoughts.
A joke that I remember form the late 60s t.v. show Laugh In , goes like this " marijuana was legalized today and the U.S. congress and seneat went in to a joint session " desert rat
Hi,
If you want a money spinner for big pharma. Look up helicabacter b pylori. Its the cause of stomach ulcers. It can be CURED with strong antibiotics and bismuth. Big pharma continue to treat the illness with antacids. See how much money is made each year with this tablet.
Its a joke, greed and suffering in one.
Bad idea, will just encourage people to think its ok for you and maybe it can be in moderation, BUT, I have seen it destroy peoples lives.
Weed destroys motivation to lead healthy life and can induce psychosis.
at least when criminals put you in jail for it
but there's a fix for that
Quote from: majour ka on September 08, 2012, 21:06:27
Bad idea, will just encourage people to think its ok for you and maybe it can be in moderation, BUT, I have seen it destroy peoples lives.
Weed destroys motivation to lead healthy life and can induce psychosis.
Honestly, if that's what you're worried about then you should be lobbying for making alcohol illegal. It's much more dangerous than marijuana. :)
As I said before though, putting the smoking of it aside, hemp is one of (if not THE) the most helpful plants to ever grow on this green Earth for humanity.
Imagine if alcohol had this kind of upside. hehe
Anyway, consider this... there will *ALWAYS* be a segment of the population who will abuse something to the point of it becoming destructive. The upside this product can have for humanity vastly outweighs any negative impact it'll have. I dare you (anyone) to do some solid research on its uses then come back and tell us that it's still a "bad idea". :)
The United States Navy uses hemp for all of it's ropes. If it's good enough for them, it should be good enough for us as well. Hemp is the single strongest natural fiber we have. By using hemp to make clothing, we could return some of our manufacturing from China to the United States again.
Almost any thing can be abused . You can become additcted to alcohol with weed I dont know if it is phy. or mental . A little common scence and personal responability will go a long way . Many years ago I tried weed twice and have never tried it since , if it does become legal , I might try it again . desert rat
The reason marijuana is illegal in the first place is because big corporations would lose money and go out of business if it were legal. Before it was illegal hemp was used for all sorts of different reasons. Paper can be made from hemp and it takes far less of it to make a sheet of paper than trees. Also, hemp seeds are one of the most nutritious substances on the earth. Hemp oil would also eliminate the need for big oil companies like BP, and Exon Mobil. All these big companies would go out of business due to hemp being used for just about everything. One of the most important aspects of marijuana, which was discovered recently, is that THC kills cancer cells in the brain, eliminating the need for costly, and painful chemotherapy.Also, did I forget to mention that it has an awesome effect on you when you smoke. Looking at it from this point of view there is only one reason that it is being kept illegal. Greed corporate pigs would be losing money if it were legal. Also, Andrew Jackson owned a hemp field as did most of our early presidents.
Don't believe me? http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm
Quote from: daddyshome on September 09, 2012, 12:25:35
The reason marijuana is illegal in the first place is because big corporations would lose money and go out of business if it were legal. Before it was illegal hemp was used for all sorts of different reasons. Paper can be made from hemp and it takes far less of it to make a sheet of paper than trees. Also, hemp seeds are one of the most nutritious substances on the earth. Hemp oil would also eliminate the need for big oil companies like BP, and Exon Mobil. All these big companies would go out of business due to hemp being used for just about everything. One of the most important aspects of marijuana, which was discovered recently, is that THC kills cancer cells in the brain, eliminating the need for costly, and painful chemotherapy.Also, did I forget to mention that it has an awesome effect on you when you smoke. Looking at it from this point of view there is only one reason that it is being kept illegal. Greed corporate pigs would be losing money if it were legal. Also, Andrew Jackson owned a hemp field as did most of our early presidents.
Don't believe me? http://www.world-mysteries.com/marijuana1.htm
^ This is all accurate...
This single plant would save not only humanity, but our entire planet as well. And it's only due to corporate greed that we haven't done so already.
Quote from: Xanth on September 08, 2012, 23:24:39
Honestly, if that's what you're worried about then you should be lobbying for making alcohol illegal. It's much more dangerous than marijuana. :)
As I said before though, putting the smoking of it aside, hemp is one of (if not THE) the most helpful plants to ever grow on this green Earth for humanity.
Imagine if alcohol had this kind of upside. hehe
Anyway, consider this... there will *ALWAYS* be a segment of the population who will abuse something to the point of it becoming destructive. The upside this product can have for humanity vastly outweighs any negative impact it'll have. I dare you (anyone) to do some solid research on its uses then come back and tell us that it's still a "bad idea". :)
Then you clearly, clearly haven't seen first hand the destruction and suffering it can cause people you care about, I have.
As for "there will*ALWAYS* be a segment of population" so you concede it can be harmful, your playing down its addictive and destructive potential. Making it legal and more prevalent will only increase that problem.
Research! dare me? I have plenty of experience thank you, enough to make a very informed decision. You state that alcohol is much more dangerous than weed,...have you considered is because its legal?
Alcohol is different debate, but yes as you say its potentially dangerous to...whats you point? You want to talk about cigarets aswell? lol...looks like we are not going to agree on this one.
Show me one person who smokes lots everyday who is healthy, mentally and physically, balanced, motivated and successful....and ill show you ten who are depressed, in debt, jobless, or psychotic.
I know many people who have told me how much their life has improved since they stopped smoking weed. FACT.
Quote from: majour ka on September 10, 2012, 21:16:00
and ill show you ten who are depressed, in debt, jobless, or psychotic.
I know many people who have told me how much their life has improved since they stopped smoking weed. FACT.
This is what I have found also.
Quote from: majour ka on September 10, 2012, 21:16:00
Then you clearly, clearly haven't seen first hand the destruction and suffering it can cause people you care about, I have.
As for "there will*ALWAYS* be a segment of population" so you concede it can be harmful, your playing down its addictive and destructive potential. Making it legal and more prevalent will only increase that problem.
Research! dare me? I have plenty of experience thank you, enough to make a very informed decision. You state that alcohol is much more dangerous than weed,...have you considered is because its legal?
Alcohol is different debate, but yes as you say its potentially dangerous to...whats you point? You want to talk about cigarets aswell? lol...looks like we are not going to agree on this one.
Show me one person who smokes lots everyday who is healthy, mentally and physically, balanced, motivated and successful....and ill show you ten who are depressed, in debt, jobless, or psychotic.
I know many people who have told me how much their life has improved since they stopped smoking weed. FACT.
So what's your position on prescription medication then? Lots of people die each year from abusing prescription medication... you MUST be against it?
How about cars? Car accidents claim the lives of many people and destroy many families every year as well.
Electricity? I'm sure if you look people die directly because of that too.
Nuclear power? Fukushima anyone?
I can go on and on and on...
Suffice to say... you can't hide your head in the sand just because some bad stuff will happen from something so potentially world-changing such as this. Nuclear power has horrible downsides, but I'm fairly certain we wouldn't even be having this discussion on the internet without the massive power created by such facilities. Actually, our entire way of life right now would be significantly different without such overabundance of energy available to us.
Farming hemp would change the course of humanity as we know it... for the better. I'm puzzled why anyone would be against this.
Your opinions, however, are noted... I just fully disagree with WHY and HOW you make them. You're not seeing things objectively. You're seeing things personally.
Quote from: majour ka on September 10, 2012, 21:16:00
Then you clearly, clearly haven't seen first hand the destruction and suffering it can cause people you care about, I have.
As for "there will*ALWAYS* be a segment of population" so you concede it can be harmful, your playing down its addictive and destructive potential. Making it legal and more prevalent will only increase that problem.
Research! dare me? I have plenty of experience thank you, enough to make a very informed decision. You state that alcohol is much more dangerous than weed,...have you considered is because its legal?
Alcohol is different debate, but yes as you say its potentially dangerous to...whats you point? You want to talk about cigarets aswell? lol...looks like we are not going to agree on this one.
Show me one person who smokes lots everyday who is healthy, mentally and physically, balanced, motivated and successful....and ill show you ten who are depressed, in debt, jobless, or psychotic.
I know many people who have told me how much their life has improved since they stopped smoking weed. FACT.
But this still doesn't negate the overwhelming benefits of hemp. The benefits of hemp FAR outweighs whatever negative effects of marijuana.
Too much of anything is bad for you. Alcohol doesn't have to be destructive, it's just with some people it is... same with pot. Does that mean we should take away everyone's choice and freedom to decide? Most people who are inclined to smoke pot will do it regardless of the law, so I don't think making it legal would change much of anything, other than diminishing the black market for it and freeing up prison space and putting ease on the over-worked legal system and not wasting cops time on busting someone with a single joint. High schoolers will tell you that weed is easier to get than alcohol, and that's because of the black market - legalizing pot could actually lessen drug use in minors. There would still be laws like those regarding alcohol, like where it can be consumed, DUI's, and age limits. There have been countries that have shown this to work.
As far as destructiveness between marijuana and alcohol, anyone who's done both will tell you pot is not NEAR as debilitating to motor skills and coordination like alcohol is. You don't get hungover and throw up all morning, you don't get violent, you can't OD... the worst side effect is jail.
I'm just saying the system is horribly confused as to the reality of drugs & alcohol. I blame it on the fear campaign Nancy Reagan started in the 80's. Maybe if people were given more responsibility for themselves rather than letting government decide what is best for them, people would actually be more responsible.
(I'm not promoting the use of marijuana, I'm complaining about the system. Fight the Power! :-P )
QuoteA hemp industry would completely redefine our society. I read somewhere that if you farmed 8% of the US landmass as hemp, you could use the oils and do away with our gasoline dependency.
I want to say this shouldn't be true; the energy required to produce the industrial fertilizers needed to grow it for fuel, and then the energy needed to process and transport it would probably cause you to break near even in energy input vs output. The thing about oil is that even today it produces 30 times the energy that discovering, transporting, and processing it takes. It is almost the sole reason our society was able to develop so fast over the last 2 centuries, and it is near impossible to replace with biofuels. We more or less need to put as much research money as we spend on our military (fat chance) into solar research. Several forms of fusion may save us later, but they are still decade or more away.
But this is not a counterarguement for legalization, of course... it is also a moot point to me that the plant should be used in about a dozen ways. It is telling that people are actually suffering while medicine that could be greatly beneficial to them is withheld because we have a powerful phramaceutical industry that buys laws.
Quote from: Xanth on September 10, 2012, 22:21:16
So what's your position on prescription medication then? Lots of people die each year from abusing prescription medication... you MUST be against it?
How about cars? Car accidents claim the lives of many people and destroy many families every year as well.
Electricity? I'm sure if you look people die directly because of that too.
Nuclear power? Fukushima anyone?
I can go on and on and on...
Suffice to say... you can't hide your head in the sand just because some bad stuff will happen from something so potentially world-changing such as this. Nuclear power has horrible downsides, but I'm fairly certain we wouldn't even be having this discussion on the internet without the massive power created by such facilities. Actually, our entire way of life right now would be significantly different without such overabundance of energy available to us.
Farming hemp would change the course of humanity as we know it... for the better. I'm puzzled why anyone would be against this.
Your opinions, however, are noted... I just fully disagree with WHY and HOW you make them. You're not seeing things objectively. You're seeing things personally.
Yes I am seeing things personally, as you are, truth is subjective, the question was do we agree wit the legalisation of a recreational drug, but it appears you are advocating weed as a power source, great i all for it...But that wasn't the question, I am responding to the question and I am not for making the position of peoples mental and psychical health worse. Medication is subscribed and measured and medication and transport are an essential part of life. Recreational drugs are not.
QuoteYes I am seeing things personally, as you are, truth is subjective, the question was do we agree wit the legalisation of a recreational drug, but it appears you are advocating weed as a power source, great i all for it...But that wasn't the question, I am responding to the question and I am not for making the position of peoples mental and psychical health worse. Medication is subscribed and measured and medication and transport are an essential part of life. Recreational drugs are not.
I think the matter of recreational use goes beyond what things are essential and which things aren't though.
For instance, music, rich foods, movies and theatre, and fictional books are all inessetial to living, and some of them may cause harm at some times, and yet they are not banned. Most people feel that these things should be free to experience- that it is up to the discretion of the person to use them responsibly.
I mean the stuff largely isn't for me, but I think people who are responsible should be allowed to do what they choose if it isn't going to harm others; and by extension, that the arguements against recreational use are stopping it from being used in industrial products which in many cases it is the best possible candidate for is silly to me.
had enough now :? going for a joint
It's great... but it does bugger all for OOBEs.
Quote from: majour ka on September 13, 2012, 18:27:04
had enough now :? going for a joint
Haha, stay up. :wink:
Saw this a while ago & randomly came across it again today & reminded me of this thread...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnFJYxCx7zk&feature=related - Enjoy.
I would not like it to be legalised as I do not like the smell of it. I have to put up with people smoking and that is bad enough. I am not able to breathe in fresh air.