A direct quote from Steven Hawking
"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first. I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark."
Steven Hawking has been considered one of the most remarkable minds of the past century. His theories on the universe seem to baffle even the brightest. It baffles even me that such a bright mind could think like this? There has to be more to it.
There is some pretty intelligent people with bonked up ideas. Example, Nicola Tesla :D
the sauce of his knowledge lives on as the body is just an instrument...
however i believe the body ONE day will be able to live long long long more years than it does today...
i also have knowledge should he decide to live for a few more years his problems will soon be gone and up and walking a short time after that...
i'm sure he would be aware of this knowledge as this info is all of the plains/realms
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Mr Hawking is in for the shock of his... afterlife then. LOL
Science is a religion for some.
Hawking...LOL!
I make more sense than him. A computer won't work without being plugged at the mains and it needs and operator/observer, you knob! ;D
I think Hawkings needs to get laid to get a new perspective...
The materialistic view is a creed too. It's theoretical. That statement is very unscientific of him and just shows how close-minded he is. I could go on about Hawking's blemishes. But I know why he makes such statements...he is the one who is AFRAID...afraid of being ridiculed because he is a public figure and wants to maintain his illusory no-nonsense approach in the eyes of the world...hypocrite!
he is alot smarter than you man
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Quote from: ether2 on May 17, 2011, 11:37:26
he is alot smarter than you man
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Says the one who believes homosexuality causes paedophilia... :roll:
Quote from: Summerlander on May 17, 2011, 11:39:48
Says the one who believes homosexuality causes paedophilia... :roll:
so you obviously agree that you are not smarter...or do you think you are
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Hawking is obviously brilliant, but that is irrelevant towards being biased to one possibility over the other. It seems Most materialists dont even 'WANT' there to be an afterlife. But I do agree he made that public statement to look credible in his knowledge of Science. It's well known a lot of scientists do keep there 'spirituality' to themselves.
i think hawking is a pretty open minded guy. he has been able to conceive of things that the rest of physics couldn't comprehend. i don't understand the difference between him saying that and you or i saying "but there is an afterlife steven, there is!"
both are pretty much unprovable. you kind of have to wait until you die to REALLY know for sure. even then you may not understand it. which is why people fear death in the first place, because we just don't know and can't know until we do it.
LARRY KING: Do you believe in a sixth sense, a spirit world, another level of existence?
HAWKING: I do not believe in a sixth sense, if you mean extrasensory perception. That would not be consistent with my belief that a universe is governed by a mathematical laws. Spiritual values belong to a different category to the physical universe.
source (http://www.psyclops.com/hawking/resources/cnn.html)
Hawking is a wannabe, people. Guess how he ruled out that travelling back in time was impossible...because he organised a party for time travellers and no-one turned up! :lol:
Quote from: Summerlander on May 18, 2011, 10:17:39
Hawking is a wannabe, people. Guess how he ruled out that travelling back in time was impossible...because he organised a party for time travellers and no-one turned up! :lol:
ya really don't like him do ya or anyone smarter than you...disrespectful attitude especially for a so called mod
full ego problem man
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LOL! Is that the best you can come up with, ether2? I tell you what...I like my mum, she's way smarter than me, has a lot more experience and she's the person I love the most in this world. She's way smarter than Hawkings... :-D
Hawkings ruled out the possibility of travelling back in time because no-one turned up at his party. Not once did he consider that perhaps they never found his invitation, or that time travel is a top secret affair in the future, or that it's illegal, or that perhaps the travellers just didn't want to spend time with him! :lol:
This is the kind of mind that people are relying on to affirm to them that there is no afterlife. No one can claim that for sure...not even him...especially not him! LOL 8-)
Materialism is a creed just like any other...
In his own words, he admits not being sure but for him to accuse others of believing because they are scared...well...that's a bold statement. I've got friends that are way more intellectual than him and they choose to stay away from the limelight:
Hawkings:
QuoteThat would not be consistent with my belief that a universe is governed by a mathematical laws.
Quote from: personalreality on May 17, 2011, 19:31:25
you kind of have to wait until you die to REALLY know for sure.
Tell that to Hawkings...
:roll:
Yeah, I was gonna point that part out as well... his belief.
Thank you! ^^ :-D
Quote from: Summerlander on May 18, 2011, 10:50:04
LOL! Is that the best you can come up with, ether2? I tell you what...I like my mum, she's way smarter than me, has a lot more experience and she's the person I love the most in this world. She's way smarter than Hawkings... :-D
Hawkings ruled out the possibility of travelling back in time because no-one turned up at his party. Not once did he consider that perhaps they never found his invitation, or that time travel is a top secret affair in the future, or that it's illegal, or that perhaps the travellers just didn't want to spend time with him! :lol:
This is the kind of mind that people are relying on to affirm to them that there is no afterlife. No one can claim that for sure...not even him...especially not him! LOL 8-)
Materialism is a creed just like any other...
In his own words, he admits not being sure but for him to accuse others of believing because they are scared...well...that's a bold statement. I've got friends that are way more intellectual than him and they choose to stay away from the limelight:
Hawkings:
:roll:
no time man
good ya like/love ya mum how can ya say she's way smarter than Hawkings is she know to the public...this by no means is a measure of one
yeah well i agree with the back in time thing as many at this day and everyday (i look) is 180000 people looking back towards how the universe was created remote Viewing type around half an hour a session many sessions a day, don't ask why this is where you will just think i'm really gone mentally
not illegal man they above make the rules for that not Governments
no after life for the existing consciousness in body once the body is gone that consciousness is gone with it my belief
ya Spirit lives on though obviously not in body at this stage think about that one...
many people put there arse on the line so to speak and look silly just to do a job (call it the economy) maybe it saves people from necking themselfes at this time frame they would listen keep them in body as we approach our New Beginning
future is not written man 2 1/2 years from now all scripts are finished New World/Beginning we are to take controll of it in a full conscious state ask those above guides etc tell ya the same thing many are in discussions as to how to go about this we know what to do, not that hard
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Quotegood ya like/love ya mum how can ya say she's way smarter than Hawkings is she know to the public
LOL! So you have to be in the public eye to be smarter than everyone else? This is new! I guess Ryan Newman, who is only thirteen and very much in the public eye is smarter than you then! :-D
Did you get that one from your records too? :roll:
Quote from: ether2 on May 18, 2011, 11:17:10
no time man
good ya like/love ya mum how can ya say she's way smarter than Hawkings is she know to the public...this by no means is a measure of one
Quote from: Summerlander on May 18, 2011, 11:24:10
LOL! So you have to be in the public eye to be smarter than everyone else? This is new! I guess Ryan Newman, who is only thirteen and very much in the public eye is smarter than you then! :-D
Did you get that one from your records too? :roll:
LOL you are not doin ya mum any justice are ya...READ IT """THIS BY NO MEANS IS A MEASURE OF ONE""" :-D
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if ya mums so smart why did'nt she tell ya about the Akashic records every smart mother ****** knows thiis existence
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i was trying to say this nicely, but you really don't know. hawking could be 100% right.
we could be making all this up out of idealistic wishes. imagination is a powerful thing.
Quote from: ether2 on May 18, 2011, 11:29:45
how can ya say she's way smarter than Hawkings is she know to the public...this by no means is a measure of one
ether2, look at your statement carefully...
think very hard about what you said...
it's very oxymoronic.
I rest my case.
:-D
Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2011, 11:41:37
i was trying to say this nicely, but you really don't know. hawking could be 100% right.
we could be making all this up out of idealistic wishes. imagination is a powerful thing.
Could!
:roll:
It's just as valid as someone coming along and saying the afterlife is real and scientists who dismiss such notions are avoiding ridicule.
Yeah, you can't blame a man for not believing in something he hasn't experienced or seen any evidence of. I like Hawking. When it comes to the physical world, he knows his excrement.
That doesn't mean he knows it all, Stookie, and he certainly has no right to say that people who believe in the afterlife are just scared. You think that is true what he said about people being afraid? :roll:
Quote from: Summerlander on May 18, 2011, 11:45:40
Could!
:roll:
It's just as valid as someone coming along and saying the afterlife is real and scientists who dismiss such notions are avoiding ridicule.
absolutely, that's why i said could be and not is.
you could also be 100% right, and honestly, in my paradigm of reality, you are both 100% right. you can never be wrong, nor can Hawking.
and yes, he has every right to say that it's not real and that people are just scared, because most people who believe in the afterlife have NO experiential proof (like projectors) and they believe in the afterlife because they are scared of death.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 18, 2011, 11:45:40
ether2, look at your statement carefully...
think very hard about what you said...
it's very oxymoronic.
I rest my case.
just asking if she was famous
but how do ya know she is smarter they tested each other
good luck
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Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2011, 11:54:15
absolutely, that's why i said could be and not is.
you could also be 100% right, and honestly, in my paradigm of reality, you are both 100% right. you can never be wrong, nor can Hawking.
and yes, he has every right to say that it's not real and that people are just scared, because most people who believe in the afterlife have NO experiential proof (like projectors) and they believe in the afterlife because they are scared of death.
Actually, study what he said carefully...
QuoteI regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.
He claims to know that there is no heaven or afterlife. He says it's a fairy story for people who are afraid of the dark...hmmm...there are plenty of people who believe and they are not afraid of the dark. Even his statement is ridiculously a travesty. Also, consider those who didn't believe, had an NDE and became convinced...
Whether or not there is an afterlife isn't the point. the point is that he is claiming to know something that he himself doesn't know for sure deep down. He is a hypocrite and lives by public appearances. I think people shouldn't be swayed by the crap he comes out with. Just recently he claimed to know there is no God...and yet religions like Christianity and Islam continue...why?...because he failed to show the world the proof and couldn't even express his belief coherently. He'd simply made an assumption.
Seriously, I've got friends who are scientists and they make way more sense than him. He's a public fiasco! :-D
Quote from: Summerlander on May 18, 2011, 12:03:45
Seriously, I've got friends who are scientists and they make way more sense than him. He's a public fiasco! :-D
thats because normal people cannot comprehend what smart people are saying
thats why you don't understand me :-D
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QuoteThat doesn't mean he knows it all, Stookie, and he certainly has no right to say that people who believe in the afterlife are just scared. You think that is true what he said about people being afraid?
No, he doesn't know it all, he's limited by his physical-only perception. Most people are limited in this way.
His comment is fairly demeaning, but I agree about most people being afraid. Not
everyone who believes in an afterlife, but that's the gist of most religions. Either afraid of not existing or going to hell. Fear drives society more than most want to admit. So people put their ego up front and pretend to be someone who isn't afraid, maybe even fight the urge to think about what might exist. The more things we have and desires we fulfill, the more important and addicting and "real" this world becomes to us.
What you are saying is certainly valid and you've put it better than Hawkings did. Still, whether people are afraid or not has absolutely nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of an afterlife and the fact that he felt the need to mention that to reinforce his belief says a lot about him.
Yeah, he's probably afraid too.
The penchant for coming to conclusions without proof is an artifact of insanity.
*lights match, runs away!*
Hi
In a mathematically driven world, there exists probability. With probability there's possibility. With possibility theres hope, with hope there's luck, with luck theres a possible probability that hawking hasn't accepted the uncalulated fact that there's an improbability that he is actually incorrect.
His IQ is higher than mine. My IQ is higher than yours. You won the prise in the competition.
Who is most clever? The highest brain or the smartest player?
Life is for living.
Noone is 100% correct not even hawking, give him a break. Would you like to be in his position? All dressed up and no party.
Not for me at all.
as far as time travel goes, search for time dilation JLN labs France, sn eye opener.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 18, 2011, 13:21:32
What you are saying is certainly valid and you've put it better than Hawkings did. Still, whether people are afraid or not has absolutely nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of an afterlife and the fact that he felt the need to mention that to reinforce his belief says a lot about him.
bullcrap. he absolutely had every right to say it and it was a completely legit comment. he's saying that there is no afterlife and the reason that the idea of an afterlife even exists is because of people's fear of death. i don't understand why you don't understand that.
you've already made up your mind that hawking is wrong and beyond that, that he is an as$hole who is unnecessarily taking a cheap shot at anyone who does believe in an afterlife. making an awful lot of assumptions of his intention......
meh. lol.
woot summer!
Consider that Hawking has an illness that most people only live 3 years with. Hawking has had his illness for 40 years.
He has had a lot of time to think about his situation.
I agree that Hawking's statement is crass and not thought out too well. What is to fear about non-existence after death? Nothing justifiable, really. What is to fear of an afterlife? A whole *hell* of a lot, pun intended. If I thought there was no afterlife, I wouldn't be afraid.. maybe a little sad, but not afraid. It's a shame Hawking thinks he's going from a prison of his own body straight to non-existence, a damn shame. These days I think it's ludicrous to think from a materialist frame of mind... the physical can easily be explained in terms of consciousness but I couldn't wrap my head around how inanimate material could possibly give way to awareness. We all just have an infinite playlist of virtual realities we can play with inside our skulls, right? Sorry, I just can't buy it. Not out of fear, but out of experience-driven reason.
you may have never felt this way, but on a mass scale, people are terrified of death and especially a death of non-existence.
you all must really not "get" people. perhaps that's my curse/gift.
Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2011, 18:48:33
you all must really not "get" people. perhaps that's my curse/gift.
You seem to be in a desperate need of a hug, perhaps Summerlander can accommodate you?
Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2011, 18:48:33
you may have never felt this way, but on a mass scale, people are terrified of death and especially a death of non-existence.
you all must really not "get" people. perhaps that's my curse/gift.
Don't flatter yourself. If you don't "get" my perspective then you only "get" the people who you happen to get. No one is immune to being ignorant, to some degree, of certain perspectives. That doesn't make us ignorant for forming our own.
That aside, I don't see widespread panic amongst the non-religious or atheist communities. Why not? Probably because no matter what happens we know death is as natural as birth and subsequent life. Show me someone terrified of non-existence after death and I'll show you someone who needs a psychiatrist, seriously.
I think Mr.Hawkings hasn't really considered the possibility that he is not his body. Maybe he can't wrap his brain around that one. Scientists have a hard time believing in something that can't be proven. He also said he didn't understand women. Sounds like he is totally out of touch with his intuitive feminine side. That's quite unfortunate.
Sometimes I feel like Hawkings is saying these things lately to get a rise out of people, lol; he wants to see how emotional and ruffled people get about a random comment he made in an offhand way. I know that is probably not the case, but it sure seems like it sometimes, lol.
I think the fair conclusion we can make in this case is that he is not in a definitive position to really prove what he is arguing here, just as very few if any of us are ever in a definitive position to even begin to prove what we surmise; proof in general is a tall order, and a truly rigorous one is out of anyone's reach for all but the most mundane of statements, like self-evident reflections such as "there is a world of some kind because I am here to comment on it", etc.
That does not mean that there is not some insight in what he has said. I think he is right to conclude that very much human "spirituality" starts from a premise of fear of death, and develops in a direction that mitigates these fears; it probably has a lot to do with our survival instincts going out of control when they first encounter the concept that we might fail to exist at all.
I dont think my spirituality started from fear of death, I use to believe the exact same thing, everything is just a chemical reaction and our mind will be gone and there is nothing after life. But then I started to notice some things and think more about the universe and realize there is a lot of things we'll never understand.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 19, 2011, 03:47:56
Sometimes I feel like Hawkings is saying these things lately to get a rise out of people, lol; he wants to see how emotional and ruffled people get about a random comment he made in an offhand way. I know that is probably not the case, but it sure seems like it sometimes, lol.
he is very intelligent
the smartest people in the world do this regulary for various reasons
most don't see it
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Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2011, 21:07:03
you may have never felt this way, but on a mass scale, people are terrified of death and especially a death of non-existence.
People don't understand that DEATH IS A TERRIFYING, TERRIFYING EXPERIENCE, you nearly want to excrement in your pants in wet yourself.
How can people "not get this"? Its beyond my belief.
Having recently experienced a close call, when I was attacked and beaten for my laptop computer, I realize that facing death, is not just terrifying, it is TERRIFYING beyond belief. "Terrifying" doesn't even come close to the fear you face when someone is beating you to death, you don't just magically go unconscious during the experience, sorry for you, you feel the terror every second. Every second the terror escalates to higher and higher levels, until you can't believe how scared you can feel.
What does it feel like to be in a massive car pile up?
What does it feel to be in an earthquake and a building collapses on you and you are buried alive, slowly suffocating to death?
Everyone has to die sooner or later, wowie, what is going on in this place? An experience, with terror increasing by magnitudes as you go, for everyone? What a lovely, lovely place this is. And some people get to experience this time after time after time. Some everyday (soldiers, for example).
Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2011, 21:07:03
you all must really not "get" people. perhaps that's my curse/gift.
Yes, I have the same "curse/gift".
I don't understand how people can not get people.
The mass media plays a big part in this, and movies, which popularize violence. They generally keep people numb to the dangers of life, until it is too late.
Funnily enough, I realized a long time ago just how terrifying death would feel, without actually experiencing anything related. Once again, I think I'm just gifted.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 19, 2011, 03:47:56
I think the fair conclusion we can make in this case is that he is not in a definitive position to really prove what he is arguing here, just as very few if any of us are ever in a definitive position to even begin to prove what we surmise; proof in general is a tall order, and a truly rigorous one is out of anyone's reach for all but the most mundane of statements, like self-evident reflections such as "there is a world of some kind because I am here to comment on it", etc.
That does not mean that there is not some insight in what he has said. I think he is right to conclude that very much human "spirituality" starts from a premise of fear of death, and develops in a direction that mitigates these fears; it probably has a lot to do with our survival instincts going out of control when they first encounter the concept that we might fail to exist at all.
^
that's all i'm saying.
Astral316, you're making the same point i'm trying to make.
Quote from: personalreality on May 18, 2011, 17:10:51
bullcrap. he absolutely had every right to say it and it was a completely legit comment. he's saying that there is no afterlife and the reason that the idea of an afterlife even exists is because of people's fear of death. i don't understand why you don't understand that.
you've already made up your mind that hawking is wrong and beyond that, that he is an as$hole who is unnecessarily taking a cheap shot at anyone who does believe in an afterlife. making an awful lot of assumptions of his intention......
meh. lol.
woot summer!
personalreality...
It is you who has misunderstood me. Whether people are afraid or not, and even if the afterlife is only an idea that was made up...it still does not rule out the possibility that an afterlife actually exists. Hawkings did not have to mention that people are afraid and that therefore it is all made up. He can't be sure it is all made up because he simply doesn't know.
@ the person who posted about dilation. I know all about that. They say time travel into the future is possible but you can't go back. However...this assumption is based on what we know so far plus theories. Even Einestein was wrong sometimes.
Quote from: Astral316 on May 18, 2011, 18:19:50
I agree that Hawking's statement is crass and not thought out too well. What is to fear about non-existence after death? Nothing justifiable, really. What is to fear of an afterlife? A whole *hell* of a lot, pun intended. If I thought there was no afterlife, I wouldn't be afraid.. maybe a little sad, but not afraid. It's a shame Hawking thinks he's going from a prison of his own body straight to non-existence, a damn shame. These days I think it's ludicrous to think from a materialist frame of mind... the physical can easily be explained in terms of consciousness but I couldn't wrap my head around how inanimate material could possibly give way to awareness. We all just have an infinite playlist of virtual realities we can play with inside our skulls, right? Sorry, I just can't buy it. Not out of fear, but out of experience-driven reason.
Exactamundo! It is also ludicrous to claim with so much certainty that the brain...a piece of meat...can create something as amazing as consciousness. To me, that sounds more like a fairytale/materialist's fantasy than anything else. :roll:
By the way, many devout Buddhists aim for nirvana, a very difficult state to achieve...it equates with the cessation of being...they are not afraid of it...they want to embrace it!
Also, and this one is for ether2...read The Tibetan Book of the Dead. Death doesn't have to be a terrifying experience. the book is all about preparing you to be in a good frame of mind prior to your death. Many people are reported to die peacefully and with a smile on their faces. It is usually the ones who have let go of everything and encourage the ones who cry for them to do the same.
GodsProxy,
You're not talking about "death"... you're talking about the act of "dying" (noun vs verb).
They are two completely separate things.
Your "dying" here could very well be excruciatingly painful... or it could be as smooth as falling asleep.
That pain, only lasts for so long. Pain is only a temporary state. It eventually gives way to the passing, which is, in my opinion at least, most joyous.
*wipes hands*
done.
QuotePain is only a temporary state. It eventually gives way to the passing, which is, in my opinion at least, most joyous.
Absolutely ^^
If we are talking about physical pain here, when the brain stops working at death, sensory receptors are no longer being stimulated. Therefore, pain is not processed.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 19, 2011, 08:27:04
Also, and this one is for ether2...read The Tibetan Book of the Dead. Death doesn't have to be a terrifying experience. the book is all about preparing you to be in a good frame of mind prior to your death. Many people are reported to die peacefully and with a smile on their faces. It is usually the ones who have let go of everything and encourage the ones who cry for them to do the same.
what...how did i get involved in that one
i don't read books man...truths up their
good luck
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Death is only terrifying or painful, because your ANIMAL instincts are warning you to survive.
Learn to control your mind.
BINGO!^^
And may I add...it is attachment and fear (also the fear of losing something) that creates pain.
Hawking was speaking so generally. I assume he's mostly talking about organized religion. In that manner, he's generally right. The majority are afraid of death, afraid of failure, afraid of being poor, etc. and these fears cause them to not try, not succeed, not have goals (or pitiful goals), join religions, stay in bad jobs, and basically have a crappy/mediocre life until they're facing their fear of death in the face after doing their best to ignore it their whole lives.
Of course, there are those of us with experience who have a much better idea of what exists than Hawking can imagine himself. He has reason to be bitter and not believe in anything else. Just look at him.
If anyone is offended by what he said, that's their hang-up, not his problem. I've been called much worse. This month alone.
I'm not offended by what he said at all. I just think he once again showed us how ignorant he can be. Ignorant in the true sense of the word with no intention to insult. He ignores many potential leads. On the other hand, if he was talking about religion in general, he could have mentioned that. Even I would support him. But then again, I'm not sure the rest of the world would and perhaps that's why he didn't name names. All in all...it was a muffled statement.
i have always wondered what his mental state was like. it has to be horribly frustrating to have the kind of brain that he has, constantly spitting out numbers and huge thoughts, but not being able to speak or write. having to rely 100% on dictation through a slow and tedious process that often requires his assistant to almost predict what he's about to say. that's gotta be torture.
he is a OBe/projection guru man... as he has said that his mind is free
good luck
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Quote from: ether2 on May 19, 2011, 12:52:36
he is a OBe/projection guru man... as he has said that his mind is free
good luck
love all
:lol:
Stephen Hawkings? You sure?
It would do him some good though. He needs to come here. :-D
QuoteAnd may I add...it is attachment and fear (also the fear of losing something) that creates pain.
1st Noble Truth of Buddhism, as I am sure you intended.
Hard to ascertain how true it is, as its fullest truth would partially depend on whether karma and reincarnation were true, since if they were not, then there would be much pain in a person's life they could not be responsible for, but on the whole I think spot on.
Hi All,
Ok on this, if the afterlife exists then the akashic records may do too. This would allow for an enlightened few the power to accurately predict in the physical world say an aircraft crashing. The sights from the ground before impact, the emotions in those passengers knowing their doom. Also how the scene looks after impact, the cause of it. Then the sadness and sorrow of all the relatives, feeling their loss, all of them at the same time.
Say that this IS real, how would this stand in the probability of there being a further development of existence.
I'll be very interested in any views on this.
Quote from: Summerlander on May 19, 2011, 13:04:21
:lol:
Stephen Hawkings? You sure?
It would do him some good though. He needs to come here. :-D
Wt... :?...98% of the worlds smartest know about AP/OBe and what not
ya think he looks through a telescope to explore space
ya don't get around much in the plains/realms do ya :wink:
good luck
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 19, 2011, 22:07:57
Wt... :?...98% of the worlds smartest know about AP/OBe and what not
ya think he looks through a telescope to explore space
ya don't get around much in the plains/realms do ya :wink:
good luck
love all
Got proof to back up your numbers?
Otherwise you're just blowing more smoke... AS USUAL.
Quote from: Xanth on May 19, 2011, 22:21:10
Got proof to back up your numbers?
Otherwise you're just blowing more smoke... AS USUAL.
Lol CIA hav'nt got the stats?
good luck
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Quote from: Xanth on May 19, 2011, 22:21:10
Got proof to back up your numbers?
Otherwise you're just blowing more smoke... AS USUAL.
i'll elaborate and help you low/mid CIA secret agents out > < :wink:
do ya self a favour and look up to see if their is/was a law against world peace...ya CIA...someone i stated in the PM :wink: led me to believe their was such a law at that time along time ago (could of been a trick to slow individuals down...fair...economy/energy)
think about all the speculation of USA orchestrated terroism to generate fear, whats fear=emotions=energy just like you do (raise energy) to do ya little mind activities...you agree the world/s system/s require energy that happen to come from people's emotions which are the emotions we don't like fear/devastated/trauma and what not...agree?...as nobody seems to want to argue this point on this site...fair i would'nt either as it clearly makes sense...i did'nt argue when i first learnt this being involved with the mind and what not
but the world needs emotions=energy to run the world systems and excrement :wink: loads of it
now most world smartest people are involved in the economy to a degree... yeah... becoming/being one of the smartest people in the world puts you in this position as with being one of the smartest in the world your advice in heavily considered, the world runs on advice...as the smartest people in the world are obviously smart and only gain this by commitment/passion=caring they would obviously put their two cents in as to what they think about the world this includes povert/war and what not so for these people that are not already in the know of the energy system required they soon learn (common practise to keep individuals quite...shut me up for awhile until an area :-D worked out away to duplicate the enegy) and not only that they learn how to learn how that works thats where they START if they did'nt already know to learn about projection/OBe and what not as this gives you the abilities to learn how the world/s system/s operate hence up there :wink:
you clearly tell others not to see the negative side of things being obviously it can regenerate it (AREAS PENDING) ya CIA, as being CIA the first i would ask joining the CIA is why is this like that why is that like this (isn't that what CIA are about solving problems...caring) or don't ya's get told how various thought processes work as a whole, can ya see how ya tell people not to see the negative extend that further but different as a whole...or are you just playing dumb...
argument/debate welcome...pick it apart man :wink:
good luck
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Wait, you think Xanth is in the CIA?
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 20, 2011, 00:03:04
Wait, you think Xanth is in the CIA?
yep a CIA secret agent :-)
he has let this be known on many occassions
good luck
love all
Quote from: ether2 on May 20, 2011, 00:21:05
yep a CIA secret agent :-)
^^^ 100% this.
He locked my post, just after I said he would, if he was an agent :) Other things he did seem to be a dead give away.
No way is Xanth a CIA. Well I guess I really dont know. But really? lol :lol:
It's something that Stookie started... and ether has latched on with his obsessive personality. >_<
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 20, 2011, 00:25:26
No way is Xanth a CIA. Well I guess I really dont know. But really? lol :lol:
thats why he destroys anything that makes sense all though you may disagree with that...by any mean donot associate this comment with the post regarding gays...thanks
LOl Xanth it clearly says in one post i read that you typed when we arrest these people, don't remember where, associated with mentall illness :-P
good luck
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Quote from: Xanth on May 20, 2011, 00:29:40
It's something that Stookie started... and ether has latched on with his obsessive personality. >_<
Quote from: ether2 on May 20, 2011, 00:34:09
LOl Xanth it clearly says in one post i read that you typed when we arrest these people, don't remember where, associated with mentall illness :-P
take note of the training of the CIA... he clearly does'nt say he is not CIA... the traing of a secret agent...hay Xanth ya did'nt pick my post apart :-( that would be reply #65 in case ya being a mod and that ya missed it...you just did'nt want the CIA look bad...fair call :wink:
remember ya decieve ya fail in these realms/plains only of developement of the mind
but ya did'nt actually tell people you were not CIA=no lie :-D
good luck
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Ether, you will find this disturbing but I have to disclose something to you and GodsProxy. I'm actually a CIA agent sent for the vested purpose of monitoring your activity in this forum as well as in all other of your "activities". We find that the knowledge that you and GodsProxy are trying to proliferate are a threat to our insidious plans for world domination. Unbeknown to you and GodsProxy, we have implanted wireless transmitter in the insides of you large intestines within your colons while you and GP were in a deep slumber. One of the side-effects of this implant is the occasional feeling of a "burn" while pooping. We are watching both of you! Good night!
As much as I dislike the kid, you might want to be careful what you tell ether. He might end up cutting up his body trying to get out whatever he thinks is implanted in him.
:-P
Quote from: ether2 on May 20, 2011, 01:08:26
take note of the training of the CIA... he clearly does'nt say he is not CIA...
You know, if I was a normal average person, I wouldn't spend all my time posting against "nutcases" who believe someone on a forum is a CIA agent. I would do the original poster the respect of returning the post to the original subject, instead of filling the thread up with garbage. They prove themselves all the time. I think people are starting to see past this, judging from the hits on my website.
Quote from: XNomadX on May 20, 2011, 01:35:06
Ether, you will find this disturbing but I have to disclose something to you and GodsProxy. I'm actually a CIA agent sent for the vested purpose of monitoring your activity in this forum as well as in all other of your "activities". We find that the knowledge that you and GodsProxy are trying to proliferate are a threat to our insidious plans for world domination. Unbeknown to you and GodsProxy, we have implanted wireless transmitter in the insides of you large intestines within your colons while you and GP were in a deep slumber. One of the side-effects of this implant is the occasional feeling of a "burn" while pooping. We are watching both of you! Good night!
Lol
hay that pooping thing 'burn" is sort like what happens when one gets diarrhea right...that gives me an idea that i had a couple of weeks ago...thanks
ohh being CIA you already knew what i was planning regarding the diarrhea thing and you could quite easily put an assumption on this as ya's monitor my activities
and the world domination thing thats my idea :wink:
good luck
love all
Get her 2 rods poxy.
Quote from: ether2 on May 20, 2011, 05:09:30
hay that pooping thing 'burn" is sort like what happens when one gets diarrhea right...
Glad you guys got a sense of humor about this, my butt is too hot for comfort ;)
Hence, "Get her 2 rods poxy" is an anagram for "GodsProxy" and "ether2" put together. The poxy element being both of you put together. :-D
Yeah, and getting her by the rod is my method for getting out of here :-D
ROTFL
Quote from: Summerlander on May 20, 2011, 08:15:52
Hence, "Get her 2 rods poxy" is an anagram for "GodsProxy" and "ether2" put together. The poxy element being both of you put together. :-D
Quote from: Summerlander on May 20, 2011, 08:15:52
Hence, "Get her 2 rods poxy" is an anagram for "GodsProxy" and "ether2" put together. The poxy element being both of you put together. :-D
Lol
for something to be called an element it has to be derive from somewhere being the Akasha element as the Akasha element being the first element and not the fifth element as many claim it to be, as all the other elements Air/Water/fire/Earth all originated from the first element the Akasha element which of course controlls all that their is to be controlled as in mother nature earthquakes the running of the world system/s etc...
so thanks as you are just clarifing something i already knew that i was part of the big picture... i already know, i'm their is these fields
as you clearly are not in this field with your lack of knowledge in the fields of energy the world/s system/s etc even to the point where you claim someone to smarter than Stephen Hawkins and you know the one i'm talking about as you stated it (without making you look like an idiot) they did'nt even tell ya that he knows about AP/OBe and what not because clearly they do not visit the height in these plains/realms Lol
you are alot of fun...man :-D
good luck
love all :wink:
ether2...
In England, there is a word that describes you.
A waffler...
:-D
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 20, 2011, 02:30:50
As much as I dislike the kid, you might want to be careful what you tell ether. He might end up cutting up his body trying to get out whatever he thinks is implanted in him.
:-P
Nah, I actually like Ether. I don't think hes that crazy. :-P
QuoteGet her 2 rods poxy.
Nice :-D
QuoteGlad you guys got a sense of humor about this, my butt is too hot for comfort Wink
LMAO! It's all in jest man! :evil:
Wowie man, where the HELL did you get that pic of yourself from? ;)
Almost scares the s h 1 % s into me!
Looks like you need a hug and some serious Love :) :) :)
Quote from: XNomadX on May 20, 2011, 15:06:55
Nah, I actually like Ether. I don't think hes that crazy. :-P
Nice :-D
LMAO! It's all in jest man! :evil:
Quote from: ether2 on May 20, 2011, 08:43:12
i'm talking about as you stated it (without making you look like an idiot) they did'nt even tell ya that he knows about AP/OBe and what not because clearly they do not visit the height in these plains/realms Lol
Ether2, thanks for bringing this discussion back on topic! ;)
Now that's food for thought indeed.
Wonder what other people think of this?
Quote from: GodsProxy on May 20, 2011, 20:26:14
Wowie man, where the HELL did you get that pic of yourself from? ;)
At Wal-Mart Photo Center for .12 cents each. 8-)
QuoteAlmost scares the s h 1 % s into me!
Wait a minute, are you implying that my foul appearance scared your poo to such a degree that it retracted back into you? :?
QuoteLooks like you need a hug and some serious Love :-) :-) :-)
Don't we all. :wink:
Hawkings vs. a 12 year old:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-heaven-for-real-12-year-old-colton-burpo-vs-famed-scientist-stephen-hawking/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-heaven-for-real-12-year-old-colton-burpo-vs-famed-scientist-stephen-hawking/)
"First, let's look briefly examine Colton's claims. While in Heaven, the young boy says he saw Jesus and came in contact with relatives who had passed away before he was born. Perhaps the most captivating revelation stemming from Colton's alleged visit his insistence that he had met a sister his parents never told him about. According to MSNBC:
...the real shocker came when Colton told his mother, "Mommy, I have two sisters." Sonja told her son that he had to be referring to his oldest sister, Cassie, and his cousin Traci, but he responded: "No — I have two sisters. You had a baby die in your tummy, didn't you?"
Quote from: Summerlander on May 20, 2011, 13:46:14
ether2...
In England, there is a word that describes you.
A waffler...
:-D
evidence please...thankyougood luck
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Evidence please? Coming from you....?
Oh the irony :lol:
Quote from: Lexy on May 21, 2011, 00:18:22
...the real shocker came when Colton told his mother, "Mommy, I have two sisters." Sonja told her son that he had to be referring to his oldest sister, Cassie, and his cousin Traci, but he responded: "No — I have two sisters. You had a baby die in your tummy, didn't you?"
Yes, the age old fight between evidence and faith. Ether2, you are correct. SomeRandom, don't you see the irony of his question? You are forever demanding evidence from him yet you are providing no evidence for us.
Here is a quote from one of the responses to the website you mention, Lexy:
QuoteMy Faith tells me there is a Heaven. My religion tells me how to get there. Can I prove that Heaven exists? No. But Faith is believing in what I can't prove and when my time comes I will face my Maker and know for sure. But in the mean time I try to live a good life and be a good Christian and that in itself is reward enough for me.
Here is the fundamental problem with this reality: since no proof seems to be possible one has to assume the worst. Both Hawkins and Christians have made exactly the same fatal mistake: not having found evidence to support either side,
both are using
blind faith to excuse them from looking any further. This is an unacceptable risk, IMHO.
Quote from: SomeRandom on May 21, 2011, 02:53:09
Evidence please? Coming from you....?
Oh the irony :lol:
pick my posts apart...man
obviously i don't expect ya to go about the gay thing as that discussion seemed to have ended
good luck
love all
ether2, if you even knew the meaning of the word, you'd agree with my post instead of asking for evidence. :-D
People always seem to think that this is a choice between atheism and theism, between various beliefs, as if it is a life choice, such as whether to drink sugar in your tea.
Life is not.
Pascal made a good attempt at verifying the choices at hand in Pascal's Wager. He said, "Bet on God, you cannot lose": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager. If God didn't exist then you lost nothing.
However, he was incorrect in the assumption that Father God was in charge and not the devil. This could prove to be a critical mistake, when putting your wager on god, when god could in fact turn out to be satan, or any one of a number of another possibilities. Thus if you are an atheist or a Christian or a Moslem your fate is the same.
The ongoing discussion on Lexi's link is quite interesting , see especially the comments:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-heaven-for-real-12-year-old-colton-burpo-vs-famed-scientist-stephen-hawking/comment-page-15
I have to admit, coming to these forums is the only thing that really makes me question the past few years of experiences I've had.
Some of you really do come across as loonies without a clue, and then I ask myself, am I making excrement up as well?
Xanth as a CIA agent, and the CIA dominating the stars? Really? The funny thing about Americans and their new world order conspiracies is that they show total ignorance about how the world works, and thus, doesn't give the people who speak them much credibility or sanity.
Any intelligent 'agent' of a new world order would be happy with the current economic and political set-up in the world, because it can easily be manipulated from the shadows. Anyone who thinks there's some shadowy cabal trying to bring about mass authoritarianism just goes to show what limited imagination they themselves possess - it just doesn't make sense in any context. Fat chance having some showy American Illuminati fellow going to Iran or China and trying to unite those countries under a one world government. Fat chance indeed.
And frankly, even if there was a new world order conspiracy, it would probably be for the best, because the only hope for humanity is if we stop killing one another over imaginary things like countries and religions.
I'm afraid hatred of what Hawking said is a dead-give away pointing to your own fears about death - if you were 100% sure that you would survive death, you really wouldn't care what Hawking said. You only care because it threatens your belief system. The same reason radical Christians hate anyone who oppose their beliefs.
Quote from: Adepto on June 16, 2011, 06:25:51I'm afraid hatred of what Hawking said is a dead-give away pointing to your own fears about death - if you were 100% sure that you would survive death, you really wouldn't care what Hawking said. You only care because it threatens your belief system. The same reason radical Christians hate anyone who oppose their beliefs.
You're taking the action of caring about Hawking's belief and jumping to an illogical conclusion. Caring doesn't equate with fear. Disagreement doesn't equate with hatred. This is a forum where it's commonplace to state an opinion, debate, converse, etc. Using your logic, you're fearful for caring about the afterlife since you're here posting. But that isn't the case, right? Motivation comes in many forms... insecurity is but one.
Quote from: Astral316 on June 16, 2011, 08:31:14
You're taking the action of caring about Hawking's belief and jumping to an illogical conclusion. Caring doesn't equate with fear. Disagreement doesn't equate with hatred. This is a forum where it's commonplace to state an opinion, debate, converse, etc. Using your logic, you're fearful for caring about the afterlife since you're here posting. But that isn't the case, right? Motivation comes in many forms... insecurity is but one.
Actually, it is the case that there's a part of me which fears death. I don't think that's surprising - despite personal experience, there's always that part of me which reminds me I can never really know for sure, not logically, at least.
The reason I posted here was emotionally driven (as are any actions by any people emotionally driven, and people who argue otherwise are deluding themselves, else they would not be driven to argue in the first place, which is an emotional action); I got angry because I see so many people taking certain stances that seem scarily silly. And I can worked up about it, because my personal stake in this is that if one person says crazy things and believes them, then for all I know, what I believe is equally crazy.
I hope I've explained myself properly. Don't mistake my frustration for an attempt at being confrontational - but I do hope that I can understand better why some people champion causes which seem so obviously baseless and ill-informed. Personal experience is the key to everything, of course, and logic can't substitute that experience - but conspiracy theories seem to be leaps of logic, not judgements derived of informed personal experience.
I get what you're saying. On forums like these you'll often find people pushing mind-numbing beliefs as ultimate truth "direct from the astral planes." Interestingly I notice these people are difficult to relate to from a communicative standpoint. They speak from "What I know" and not "What I've experienced" and draw crazy conclusions from random observations. However in forums like these it's protocol to have an open mind and respect all beliefs so this stuff isn't going away anytime soon. I recommend taking these ideas with a pinch of salt. If it doesn't make sense, fall back on your own intuition and discard it.
I like him. I think people tend to take everything he says to heart because he is such a brilliant authority. He is not an authority on death, nor is anyone who is alive. His theories are quantifiable...his disbelief in the afterlife is likely gut feeling...which is just a thing that is personal.
QuoteHere is the fundamental problem with this reality: since no proof seems to be possible one has to assume the worst. Both Hawkins and Christians have made exactly the same fatal mistake: not having found evidence to support either side, both are using blind faith to excuse them from looking any further. This is an unacceptable risk, IMHO.
Yes, Godsproxy, excusing yourself from the obligation of giving rigorous evidence to bold claims like this is culpable regardless of position.
i dont get how some one that cant even move has not yet had an obe or sp i mean he is parilized or whatever but you think that would make it easy for him to get out of his body... i read a book about a kid that was like him but had seziers. when he would have one it would pop him out of body and he go run around... his dad killed him while he was out. it was a good book.