Hello,
So I recently found a free e-book (can be found at www.breatharian.info) about breatharianism, the idea that you can live without food and I would also suppose water. The idea stems from the idea that eating is simply an addiction and because of this you can slowly ween yourself off. Now, I'm not saying I KNOW this is true. I'm open minded to it and have been reading this book. To me biologically at the level we are at scientifically, I can understand how it would work, granted I only have 2 college semesters of Biology. If anyone with more back ground as a doctor or biology type person would like to share their opinion I would like to hear it. But the Author's Explaination is very Esoteric in Nature and seems to be just fine from that stand point. The Author also claims having been a non eater or Breatharian... basically, He didn't eat between sept 2001 and march 2003. The Book is just a way to show you how you could if you wanted be able to achieve this.
Disclaimer:
Now I will say read this with common sense and don't just stop eating. The Author himself advises not to just suddently stop eating.
Any opinions are welcome.
James
i am not interested on becoming a breatharian, because i like to eat, but i just dont get how can one become a breathrian (if that is true, which i dont believe...but still get my mind open).
Ummm...I think you would die...LOL
http://www.rickross.com/groups/breat.html
Are we spiritually ready as humans to give up the concept of food? I guess a few may be...but the chance of death is pretty high I would expect, at least for the majority of humankind.
I'd say the best way to start out would be to start increasing the amount of fruit/vegetable based proteins in your diet. I doubt drinking more orange juice and eating more bananas would really hurt anyone; a good replacement for 'starches'.
there are people who are on prana. Also i have heard about solar joga. You stare in the sun for forty minutes per day and you dont have to eat and you get rid of all diseases. But unprepared you would just harm your eyes and might get blind.
If you ask me it is IMPOSSIBLE to live that long without food, not to mention that you would become very unhealthy and I don't see the spiritual benefits so whats the point in the first place.
More mystic b/s.
If this were possible I still wouldn't want to go without food. I don't see any good reasons to start this diet which is probably unhealthy and difficult. It's better to just eat healthy.
I like your comment Froglet about the author's explanation being very esoteric. Does that mean he can't explain it in a way that would (scientifically) hold any water?
Our bodies have evolved / been designed to function in a particular way, and part of that way is to derive energy from biological matter. Sure there are other forms of energy around us, but to try and use these other forms of energy to fuel the biological machine we call our physical body would be like sticking a ni-cad battery in the sunlight and hoping it will charge.
An interesting opposing view to the breatharians would come from yoga or Reiki masters who will tell you of the importance of good nutritional food.
But then we all know that breatharians are just full of air. ;)
:)
James.
Thanks for the link Jen.
It's interesting reading - not from the fluf that Jasmuheen is trying to put forward, but from teh fact that she's never been able to proove that she goes without food as she says she does.
Also interesting, if you do a Google images search on Jasmuheen, she's got a pretty good figure for a 40something who eats nothing!
She obviously looks after herself quite well, but maybey telling people how she really does it is not nearly as profitable!
:)
James.
Thats an amazing post runlola! If that is true, scientists must start study human body with different ways.
Even so, i must ask:
1) Could it be true the source of information?
2) I dont know if i understood very well, but: the man was under obsv. for 10 years? Is that so?
3) (not a question) i read many storys of tibetan monkeys living in caves and in the forests and only eating small bags and herbs from times to times.
4) About the palate: what is the relation bewteen the palate problem and about eating? How does that palate thing make the old man being able for not eating for so many years?
5) If this inof is true, why i never see such kind of info on news? Its irritating that only from times to times (at least here in Portugal) that i will see on TV News, news like these or about ufos, ghosts and the like. It would be more interesting if they could pass more news about things like that, or scientific news, and less news about death, war and blood (as usual).
Quote from: James SI like your comment Froglet about the author's explanation being very esoteric. Does that mean he can't explain it in a way that would (scientifically) hold any water?
Our bodies have evolved / been designed to function in a particular way, and part of that way is to derive energy from biological matter. Sure there are other forms of energy around us, but to try and use these other forms of energy to fuel the biological machine we call our physical body would be like sticking a ni-cad battery in the sunlight and hoping it will charge.
An interesting opposing view to the breatharians would come from yoga or Reiki masters who will tell you of the importance of good nutritional food.
But then we all know that breatharians are just full of air. ;)
:)
James.
Last I checked, the human body is very adaptable, moreso than any NiCad battery out there. I would like to see a group of people that have gone beyond thinking about food to focus on other things.
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I would like to see a group of people that have gone beyond thinking about food to focus on other things.
They're called online gamers. :wink:
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I would like to see a group of people that have gone beyond thinking about food to focus on other things.
They're called online gamers. :wink:
No, they eat, they just don't go to the bathroom. Tis why the majority of them are a tad overweight methinks.
Runlola,
That was a very interesting read!
There is the belief that our bodies were designed to be fully regenerative, and mostly we've lost that ability through "toxic" living. I wonder if this fakir could be existing by this means?
Certainly would save on grocery costs.
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Ybom,
You've got a good point there! Kinda gross isn't it?
I think if you gave me something to chew on and you gave me something to do that was just so interesting as to divert my attention away from hunger, I could probably follow this path.
Just like if you take a running leaping dive towards the ground and during the last instant before you hit, you get distracted or divert your attention away from it, you start to fly. (anyone know where this concept comes from?)
I'd like to be able to do almost anything, but at the point where there's no point to which we could progress further, I would be very sad, or maybe happy I dunno yet. But probably sad.
Our bodies are very much ready for this move away from food, and interestingly enough...it coincides with there not being much food available; little with any nutritional significance left that is. We're basically being fed overly-refined, empty caloric kibble. Keeps us very 3-D.
I think that Ybom's last post sums up the general mentality. That it would seem more plausible if one were given just as good a distraction to replace food. So what is food, if not a distraction?!?
I always find it interesting in "alternative minded" areas such as this, that the majority of people are so conventional in their thinking. How difficult it seems to get around such a simple concept. Forgetting how powerful the mind can be in manifestation. Of course it isn't true, if you don't believe it.
I'd be interested to know how many people that have responded to this thread have "fasted", how long, and the outcome of thoughts on that?
I'll go first: Longest Fast: 21 days
During which I felt more alive, more energetic then I ever have. Increased senses/metabolism/awareness & psychic ability.
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A thought occurred to me this morning.
It's all very well for people of our society to say we're ready to be able to give up food, how "alive" we can feel as a result, charge or spend good money for books and whatnot so we can learn how to become breatharian, or look in awe at some mystic who's lived 10 years with no food.
But has anyone asked people who live in communities like those in parts of Africa and India who are starving to death? Has anyone thought to ask them if humans are ready to live without food? Has anyone tried to point out to them how better off they are not being encumbered with the need to eat regularly, how "alive" they must feel? Has anyone offered to teach them how they might become breatharians?
Sorry, but when we high and mighty well fed westerners start talking about how evolved we could be by becoming breatharinains, I now think of those not so high and mighty third worlders starving to death, and what a sewage treatment plant full of fast food generated excrement it really is!
James.
i always look forward to your particular perspective dear james.
yes it's very much something to think about. i wasn't trying to come off as holier-than-thou.
it's discomforting the extremes between the haves & have-nots, and on top of that (even more disturbing) that "westerners" have such a "victimized", slave-type, pity me mentality on the whole. i've been thinking about that a lot lately...how that happened? where it comes from? but that's another thread.
yes it's sad that people should be starving "to death", but my personal perspective has always tended to place those so-called "third world" cultures & it's people above whatever the hell we're doing as "civilized" people. mostly bcuz they function closer to nature, magic, faith, family, community, etc. they haven't over-complicated everything. of course there are pockets of those who are more than willing to exploit that simplicity to their own personal gain, but i don't exactly know what to do about that?!?
yes i suppose the average westerner would consider them-self privileged to be able to shove food & drink into down their gullet wherever & whenever they feel like...but i don't see that as better off or more advanced. i don't see where this race toward convenience aids us in ascension.
someone that walks a few miles for potable water instead of turning on a tap or cracking open a bottle, someone that has to build a fire (make fire) to cook instead of turning a knob, someone that works from sun up to sun down using the light 'when it's available', rather than flipping a switch, and those that take seriously the value of herbal medicine, bcuz the nearest hospital is a five day WALK...for some reason in my mind those people seem much better off to me. i don't think anything will change my mind on that. some of those people might very well be self-motivated, but it's out a need for survival. as westerners we are more "self-absorbed", and pretty much i believe without reason.
fasting is very much a part of heightening ones self. that can't be denied. so too is abstinence in other forms & the path of self-discipline.
it absolutely doesn't hurt in this "new rome". i'm not too much into defending my mind set this morning. so i'll leave off by saying that so many people never push themselves outside that "comfort zone" to learn anything new. even in regards to the astral...westerners are not one to appreciate the work or struggle involved to gain insight.
it's all based on immediate gratification & escape.
you didn't mention whether you've ever fasted at all?!?
& how it made you feel?
soul
Eating is so good! Specially if the "food" is young, with 20 to 30 years ....(i think i shouldnt say that:)).
Talking in a more serious way, i love the buddhist idea of "the path of the midle" (whatever, dont know the exact translation to english). That idea says that we shouldnt follow radical paths. Neither 8, neither 80 (like we say in Portugal).
So, eating to much its bad, but eating to little or nothing is bad too. There is no need fo rthat. For some reason our body have a mouth, a stomach and so on...
Sometimes its nice to abuse and eat to much (from times to times, like in partys and the like) and sometimes its good to eat little and even do some fasting (for "opening" the body-mind a little more to spirituality, for example) if you know how to do it.
Just my humble opinion.
My longest fast? Probably a day or so. I have no particular need or desire to fast at this point in time for extended periods. It also doesn't help that my grandfather (bigoted as he is) is next door and he constantly is saying "ya need to eat, son" whether you just ate or not.
However, I have the ability to eat too much and not gain weight, I generally cannot eat too little and not lose it. This probably is because of my grandfather's words. I remember when I was younger he would use the "ya need to eat or you'll dry up and blow away" so I still have the childish mental image of turning to dust when I go for too long without eating. Simply put, my grandfather is probably the one to blame for how I subconsciously won't let myself off the food hook for too long; no I still blame myself for letting it get to me like this.
I hope that one day everyone will have the ability to eat, or not eat, depending on how they feel.
Ahh, don't mind me too much Souljah, I was feeling a little belligerent when I typed up that post. :oops:
Thanks for the compliment by the way, and definitely ditto with your posts.
No I don't see what you are saying as holier than thou, and I'm sorry if my post came across as being picky. Fasting is obviously something that works well for you, and I really don't have a problem with that at all.
My beef is with people like this Jasmuheen who's trying to make money off people through the breatharian cult at the same time that other people in the world are dying from lack of food.
Quoteyes it's sad that people should be starving "to death", but my personal perspective has always tended to place those so-called "third world" cultures & it's people above whatever the hell we're doing as "civilized" people. mostly bcuz they function closer to nature, magic, faith, family, community, etc. they haven't over-complicated everything.
I was thinking the exact same thing myself! Many native cultures are very much in tune with nature and with Spirit, so what gets me is what is it about these breatharians that make them so clever?
Or mabey the harsh reality of the places where famine exists makes the people who live there concerned with day to day survival for themselves and their families, rather than being concerned with reaching some kind of higher spiritual existance.
As for fasting, I used to fast for a few days at a time on a regular basis when in the christian church, but I never really got the point of it. It was a case of fasting because that was the done thing. For me, even now, I still don't see a point in trying to fast, it really does nothing for me, except make me hungry. :(
For some reason I've always been able to see directly to the core of a concept, and somehow mentally go right to that core, bypassing the "rituals" (for want of a better word), such as the need in abstain in some things to achieve a result, except when my body is telling me its time for a de-tox.
Maybey I've always naturally walked that middle ground Kazbadan spoke of.
I know, not terribly exciting when you're not going to extremes from time to time. :)
Many blessings,
James.
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I know, not terribly exciting when you're not going to extremes from time to time. :)
James,
Sometimes when you go to an extreme in one direction, you find a new stability point.
Ybom, i have the same problem as you: even if i eat like a tiranossaur, my weight will be always the same. Thats a problem, because i will start to pratice muscles, in order to develop my body, but i get nothing. Even if i eat 221412 pounds of horse meat in a day, and pratice like a professional lifter, my muscles and my weight will be exactly the same...
In the other hand, if i eat to little i will not decrease my weight.
Kazbadan/Ybom & James:
Have enjoyed the last few posts very much; guess bcuz I'm a "Middle of the Row" type gal. I agree for the most part...you gotta follow your gut (pardon the pun), but don't let that gut take over, or get too damn lazy.
I don't know much about this Jasmuheen person. I'll have to do some reading. I have a lot of issues with guru in general.
JZ Knight really bothers me as well.
Funny Kaz...you brought up horse meat. I'm not sure most people here are acquainted with the delicacy, but it brings up an interesting change of topic...to lighten the morbidness of hunger (or maybe not).
What are people's opinions about eating alternative forms of meat?
I've tried just about everything from seal to silkworms, rattlesnake, dog, bear...i'd be surprised if someone could out do me on this one. The worst experience was my uncle's "fluffy bunny" cacciatore. I've eaten a lot of rabbit, but the trauma was actually in playing with them all day first (thinking they were pets) :roll: and then seeing them run around the yard skinned and headless! :shock: Needless to say I fasted that night.
I was a vegetarian for ten years...just to note.
Q: is if you eat cow, are you opposed to eating horse? if you eat chicken, do you see any problem with eating squirrel? etc, etc.
Just interested
Soul
You eat what you know, and what you must. There are likely many people who say, "I would never eat - (fill in the blank)." My answer to all of them would be, "Then you have never been hungry."
Speaking of horses, and Breatharians, what they are selling is a load of horse-hockey. Our bodies require food and water for physical survival. Yes, if you have adequate water, you can live for a long time without food, but you
will die. I will buy into their philosophy on the same day they can drive their fist through a steel bank vault without bruising their skin; or the day a 747 can cut off its engines at 10,000 feet and continue flying with no problems.
Souljah, you said:
Quoteit's sad that people should be starving "to death", but my personal perspective has always tended to place those so-called "third world" cultures & it's people above whatever the hell we're doing as "civilized" people.
Words fail me. Those "third-worlders" you have on your pedestal are doing the same thing your "civilized people" are doing -- trying to survive. Do you think for even a half-second that 99.9% of them wouldn't trade their "simple, uncomplicated" lives for regular meals, good medical care, and a solid roof over their head?
A point you might have missed -- "third worlders" (your term) are no more or less spiritual than anyone else. They are human, with all the baggage that implies!
James, as usual, you have made a better point than I could.
dear great,
i have a bit a hard time taking your opinion seriously...that as humans we're all just doing our best to survive. first of all in the US a good portion of that 99% are mindless mass-consuming pigs that play a huge role in devastating your so-called "great outdoors" faster than you can comprehend. i don't care if they drink bottled water, and get their emission stickers validated annually, very few of them know the first thing about "survival". they should. they will, but as for now...they don't.
how many people do you know have solar panels on their houses? own hybrid vehicles? have a vegetable garden? hunt or fish for food & not fun? or even turn off their G-damn lights when they walk out of a room???
i use to work with a survival camp in canada for trouble youth. outdoor survival is a GREAT PASSION of mine, and i've watched it transform many a person & wake them up. that's besides the point, but i can't agree that waking up each morning and mindlessly dragging ones butt through each day, surrounded by escapes, conveniences & luxury...is anywhere near the same thing as remote cultures who chop wood & carry water (etc).
(good book by the way...if you ever get the chance).
and by the way...it was james who brought up the term "third worlders", but i don't think he coined it either?!? :roll:
as for regular meals, good medical care, and a solid roof...you my friend are biased. that's what started the mess in the first place. when civilized people agreed that all the primitives should be rescued & saved, and somehow that turned into exploit, plunder & pillage.
i stand by what i said originally. i understand what you're saying & where you're coming from, but it's inside the box thinking, and that's just not my thing. i'm more than happy to be dropped off in the middle of nowhere and utilize all that i know to survive, but this...here...day-to-day stuff. i'm over that kind of survival! sorry.
soul
Hi Soul,
I think we have a lot more in common than areas of difference. It just seems you are still wearing the rose-colored glasses that I took off some years ago. I also think you do not understand what I am trying to say.
I am well aware of what humans are doing to the world environment (global warming is not part of it). But you sound like one of those who is less concerned about the environment than in US-bashing. Is there no way to reach past that blind prejudice and get to the real heart of the "survival" problem?!
I didn't use the term "their best" in my post -- I just said that everyone is trying to survive. You say:
Quotein the US a good portion of that 99% are mindless mass-consuming pigs that play a huge role in devastating your so-called "great outdoors."
I don't disagree.
Let's see if I can find a
few other instances where the same thing is happening: Russia, where they are making no effort to avoid mass pollutiotn of soil, water and air in their industrial development efforts; Japan and Mexico where people have to wear masks outside to keep from being poisoned by the air they have polluted; Africa, where dumping toxic metals into the water supply is just how it's done, to name a very few. One more example is the systematic destruction of the world's rain forests (Africa, South America, etc.)
My point is that
all of those people,
all of them, are are "mindless, mass-consuming pigs" as much so as the group you are choosing to focus on.
And another point; until you, and other folks who claim to love the natural world, can get around your irrational hatred of one place and begin to think outside that box you mentioned, there is nothing that will stop the ultimate destruction of our natural world.
I totally agree with your ideas about solar panels, vegetable gardens and hybrid cars. I have been ranting about the energy companies' control of environmental policy for quite a few years now. I can't support your idea of everyone hunting for survival because, if they did, we would have no game left to hunt. We are already depleting our ocean fisheries due to overharvesting (primarily by countries like Japan, by the way).
I am very much aware of what's going on around me. And I'll ask you a question. Can you sit down for just a moment, put aside your political programming (and yes, I have mine as well), and look at the big picture? It is not the US that is "the enemy," it is people -- wherever, whoever, period. And yes, they are doing what they do for survival.
I am only touching the high points of what I would like to add here, but I don't think anyone would appreciate me writing a novel. :)
I applaud the fact that you seem to care; I disagree with the limitations you have placed on your caring.
seems you back paddled on a few things, and this confused me. i'll have to reread both your posts again and attempt to decipher?!? by the way i said, "i do understand where you're coming from".
i brought up the US bcuz that's where we live...correct?
i don't live in russia. i prefer to work with what i've got.
would seem a tad arrogant of me to pull apart another country when this one is so messed up.
what i thought you were trying to say is that people that live in downtown manhattan, or L.A., or middle america (on a whole) are just as spiritually together as australian aborigines, bushman, darhad, babongo, or adi people to name a very small few. i also thought that you were comparing survival situations?!? i'm sorry, but as long as you're responding to this post "online", and can grab a cold one from the fridge, nuke yourself up some popcorn, throw in a dvd, take a nice hot shower, and crawl into your comfy bed...i don't think you truly have the understanding to compare yourself to these tribes, and to intelligently consider them part of the "big" problem.
the problems you speak of of other large countries is not a problem of the people. it's a problem involving big corporate business. so it seems we should then move on to other subjects...(although i still thought the horse meat one was more on the level for this forum)...now we're getting into some weighty issues like over-population, and the 1%'s new world views of getting rid of 2/3 of it.
either way that subject is pretty much out of our hands, but what should we expect...we are afterall just trying to survive. :roll:
love soul
Those people who forget the 'spirit' and the body are two seperate things are idiots. The body is an object in the physical world which excretes and sheds, so it must gain in order to balance the excreting. I'm not talking about just number ones and two's. I'm talking sweat, hair, nails, skin. Our cells continuously split, and when that happens they both are half of the whole. In order for the new cell to regain full composure, it must eat.
Just because someone's all, "Look at me, I'm spiritual" doesn't mean they can bend the rules of nature. They can do whatever they want with the spirit, but there are rules of the physical that are solid because our world is filled with boundaries. Makes life more interesting that way.
If you stop eating, I guess you can stop breathing too. That's taking particles out of the air and ingesting those through a different form. Let's see those kinds of people stop breathing.
Quote from: StevoThose people who forget the 'spirit' and the body are two seperate things are idiots. The body is an object in the physical world which excretes and sheds, so it must gain in order to balance the excreting. I'm not talking about just number ones and two's. I'm talking sweat, hair, nails, skin. Our cells continuously split, and when that happens they both are half of the whole. In order for the new cell to regain full composure, it must eat.
Just because someone's all, "Look at me, I'm spiritual" doesn't mean they can bend the rules of nature. They can do whatever they want with the spirit, but there are rules of the physical that are solid because our world is filled with boundaries. Makes life more interesting that way.
If you stop eating, I guess you can stop breathing too. That's taking particles out of the air and ingesting those through a different form. Let's see those kinds of people stop breathing.
The idea of science and indeed religion is to bend the rules that we figure out, and have figured out on our own, to the best of our ability. Your concept that the body has to gain to counter the excreting, are you sure it doesn't excerete to counter the gaining?
Don't tell me not to bend the rules of nature, because by bending these laws I will do my part in a fight against harvesting.
Do you not bend your laws of nature by driving a vehicle around? The human body can run at a maximum velocity of about oh, let's say 30 miles per hour when properly trained naturally. The last I checked there was a vehicle that could travel past the sound barrier. A big difference me thinks. Apply a few things we take for granted here and there, you're breaking rules all over the place!
I am not saying that the ideas presented with this cult are believable in their current state, but I think you should take up the idea of that "we are not ready" rather than "humans aren't capable". Don't speak for my capabilities thank you very much. I'll limit myself how I deem fit!
that is just weird. You have to eat to live!
Quote from: vsskyethat is just weird. You have to eat to live!
Simple and to the point, but why do you have to eat to live? Do you state this because of what you believe or have you tried to fast for extended periods of time? On top of that, what type of faith do you have?
Dear Ybom, nice to see another that can "really" think outside the box.
yeah...in another 100 years...people will be debating about those little stumps underneath them. most will insist they're stabilizer bars to keep from falling off the couch, and a few freaks will actually try and proclaim they can be used to move around! :shock:
this whole we NEED food thing is weird!
To Stevo & vsskye...do you think that's air you're breathing?!? :roll:
REACH
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I am not saying that the ideas presented with this cult are believable in their current state, but I think you should take up the idea of that "we are not ready" rather than "humans aren't capable". Don't speak for my capabilities thank you very much. I'll limit myself how I deem fit!
A good point there! Something worth thinking about.
Nature doesn't set our limits. She's very flexible. We set them.
I
KNOW I can creatively manifest to a small extent. I have witnessed my affirmations becoming real - the seen being created from the unseen. If I can do this, something that others would say is either impossible or miraculous, then why can I not also live off light?
I've been arguing about what is practical, not about what is possible.
I read the articles from Kodemaster's link on the first page of this topic that detailed the people who have died trying to live the breatharian lifestyle and decided that this is all a crock. But what if it isn't, and we're simply not evolved enough yet to do it properly?
I don't think I'd like to be the present day equivalent of one of the catholic church's "spiritual leaders" who condemned Galileo for heresy.
Food for thought?
James.
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I am not saying that the ideas presented with this cult are believable in their current state, but I think you should take up the idea of that "we are not ready" rather than "humans aren't capable". Don't speak for my capabilities thank you very much. I'll limit myself how I deem fit!
A good point there! Something worth thinking about.
Nature doesn't set our limits. She's very flexible. We set them.
I KNOW I can creatively manifest to a small extent. I have witnessed my affirmations becoming real - the seen being created from the unseen. If I can do this, something that others would say is either impossible or miraculous, then why can I not also live off light?
I've been arguing about what is practical, not about what is possible.
I read the articles from Kodemaster's link on the first page of this topic that detailed the people who have died trying to live the breatharian lifestyle and decided that this is all a crock. But what if it isn't, and we're simply not evolved enough yet to do it properly?
I don't think I'd like to be the present day equivalent of one of the catholic church's "spiritual leaders" who condemned Galileo for heresy.
Food for thought?
James.
No, it's what I wanted to hear and what I want to hear more people saying, not that I need to hear it; this is only a desire.
Practicality only goes so far, and only works well because it almost does the work for you. This is sometimes why I take the hard road, to constantly remind myself that I am not a robot and I will not wake up one day in my 40s and ask where my life went. This is why it's worth taking the chance to be a Breatharian now, because you cannot make music with the guitar without making your fingers bleed first. The bleeding stops, and so does the hunger if you believe it will.
Is it practical? You decide if it's the next step for you to make yourself automated, and the next step on the road to see if God has given us an infinite amount of upgradability or not.
I hope Breatharianism is real, but never goes mainstream. I want it to be a challenge for those who deem themselves (err I mean God deems) worthy.
[edit:]Just for those who are wondering. I am not one of these people, but I sure do respect the Breatharians that are honestly on the quest of no food. Will they die off, or will they live happily without a grocery bill every week for the rest of their lives?[/edit:]
I'd have to say this topic took off. I don't know for sure whether or not a human body can go with out food for that long. However, I think it may be possible... I've never really fasted before even... but I've gone for most of a weekend without food. I don't know why people do it. I know why if I chose to try this would be to show myself this world is more like a dream... or I was thinking the other day. When I wake up in a dream, I can have control of the dream if I stay lucid. So if this is so why not the same for this part of life. Perhaps some people may see that as silly logic. I would say that for me it's not so important if I chose to try this and succeeded that I didn't eat but rather that I would have the choice as to if I wanted to or not.
i promised i wouldn't forum hop before getting a few things done for myself this morning first, but...seeing as it's not 6am like i assumed it was...and really 2am :shock: i guess i've got some extra "time" (another interesting topic we give so little thought too, and yet so much control).
i wanted to apologize. not for my perspective, but for just how the words come off some times. i'm not some all-together creature that is withholding secrets, and thinking myself holier than thou, as was discussed elsewhere earlier. i'm just a girl in the world. surviving pretty much as GOD (heh) said. i just really think we could step it up a few notches! that it's not only something we can afford, but something dire that must be done...this putting aside of beliefs to create room for something new. we can put them aside w/out losing them. w/out losing ourselves.
so much time is wasted butting heads (i feel), squashing ideas, and holding ground. what else could we be doing with that energy? we ARE beings of manifestation! we have soooo much more power than we can possibly imagine (obviously)! we need to step up the game if we're to survive. we've ceased evolving here...and we WILL see the repercussions of that sooner than we "think". i'm not speaking of technology, it's surpassed us in leaps 'n' bounds as we stand around scratching our heads. we really don't have a clue in total, and that's where we need to start...humbling ourselves first.
just yesterday i was mentioning to a friend how perfect everything is that's natural...like the human body! how perfectly complete. it doesn't require fuel, or batteries, or upgrading...and it's capable of infinite things.
it runs itself (thank GOD), and we really are the worst betrayers of this gift. when "we" THINK we are doing all that we can. when we draw the line of what we are capable of. i know enough of my own conditioning to understand that NONE of us are qualified to make those assessments. when we put that "out there" that's what we are manifesting.
i want to see it change. i do. i am suddenly very focused on self-discipline, and abstinence, and pushing the boundaries, and i would love to see that become a movement of the people. i guess "breatharian" is a part of that. it's time we stop thinking about the "impossible" and start thinking about the "possible". time we stop talking about what we can't handle, and start demonstrating what we can! for ourselves...not to PROVE ourselves.
all in all i just want everyone to be acknowledged, and never feel that they're wrong or out of the loop. that's RE-ACTION.
i want to just keep the action part going.
this has turned out to be a wonderful thread.
thanx froggie, and all who have replied!!! including me :)
blessed EARLY morning by the way!
CARPE FxxKING DIEM!!! :wink:
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CARPE FxxKING DIEM!!! :wink:
More like Carpe Secundus.
Tanta stultitia mortalium est. :wink:
what does that mean? I have next to no knowledge of latin. haha
What fools these mortals be. :wink:
okay....you eat you live, you dont you die. plain and simple. i dont have the exact time span for survival without food, but depending of body mass, fat stored ect. its something like a week or so. anyone ever heard of starvation? hmmmm. water also is a must, as the body is 80% water. how can something survive when its denied that which it is? impossible! yes i said it impossible. i know people like to say that "anythings possible" uh, no its not. for example, its impossible for me to jump to the moon and settle there in 3...2...1...NOW! see, im still here, impossible just like its impossible the live without food and/or water. as for bending the laws of nature...how? if it can be done, then its in accord with the laws of nature no matter what it is...like cloning, in full accordance with the laws of nature. if it cannot be done, that is because it is against the laws of nature. another misnomer is that it can be done if one has the right amount of faith...nope, wrong again. true, if your Will is strong and in accordace with the laws of nature, then increadible feats can be performed, but not everything is possible no matter how much you may want it to be. So again... you eat, you live..you dont, then you die. plain and simple.
well said Ain Elohim :)
Anything is possible. But it would be to deny yourself an energy source. Eating healthy is a good idea
Quote from: Ain_Elohimokay....you eat you live, you dont you die. plain and simple. i dont have the exact time span for survival without food, but depending of body mass, fat stored ect. its something like a week or so. anyone ever heard of starvation? hmmmm. water also is a must, as the body is 80% water. how can something survive when its denied that which it is? impossible! yes i said it impossible. i know people like to say that "anythings possible" uh, no its not. for example, its impossible for me to jump to the moon and settle there in 3...2...1...NOW! see, im still here, impossible just like its impossible the live without food and/or water. as for bending the laws of nature...how? if it can be done, then its in accord with the laws of nature no matter what it is...like cloning, in full accordance with the laws of nature. if it cannot be done, that is because it is against the laws of nature. another misnomer is that it can be done if one has the right amount of faith...nope, wrong again. true, if your Will is strong and in accordace with the laws of nature, then increadible feats can be performed, but not everything is possible no matter how much you may want it to be. So again... you eat, you live..you dont, then you die. plain and simple.
You like the phrase "plain and simple" too much. You oversimplify your life and you can't help but try to get others into your little oversimplified box. I am a bit confused how you relate jumping to the moon to breatharianism. Both are difficult concepts to accomplish, but neither are impossible, however jumping to the moon requires the additional struggle of holding your breath as well, and in breatharianism that just doesn't do well. You ask too much of me! Jumping over the Pacific Ocean would serve the same purpose, but are you afraid someone may try that and succeed? You make me laugh.
I will make a deal with you, I will agree to make Breatharianism a long term humankind goal and set easier goals for my personal self, if you promise to stop being an butt about concepts you don't agree with. Essentially to open your mind to ultra-long-term concepts more. Until you agree to my terms though, I will just keep snickering when I think of how much you sound like GWB with your "plain and simple" line.
you can't do it bcuz you don't believe it's possible. pure & simple!!!
manifestation is not as easy as thinking "I" want this to happen NOW. it doesn't work that way. you're ideas about intent & WILL power are far, far off. as far away as the moon "appears" to be!
i'm not just picking on you...this is most people's perspective. trapped in belief. limited by what they THINK is going on. i've spent some time on the moon, but that bares no point here. part of spiritual evolution to me is knowing what starving really is. it's also knowing what absolute darkness is. it's a lot of things. you are headed down a very "particular" but well trodden path that you are very CORRECT won't led to the moon or being able to exist without food & water, or money, or anything else that is vital on that route.
you might agree that a certain aspect of yourself (aka your soul/spirit) will continue on after you have left your body. if this is "possible" for you to imagine. i would suggest working backwards from that. it might prove easier to move out of that conventional trench. we are merely matter. all things are...what is so difficult to understand?!? breatharians "breath" in their nutrition. that shouldn't be any more off the wall then absorbing it at will, or absorbing it through your stomach lining, etc. but i don't want to get into the scientific aspect of it all. it's radical enough already.
seems if people want to eat food fine, but long term they should at least be thinking how to keep the good food around. it pisses me off that people put so much stock in eating, but care not about genetic modification, or monsantos poisonous operations, and all the rest of the garbage that's replacing real food. that we can't support the beef industry without taking over other countries forests, clearing-cutting them out to feed an ever burdening system. so we can have our mcmeals. there are too many people to feed. breatharianism seems part of the natural evolution and something to look at seriously...otherwise we'll just keep insisting that food is a necessity until there isn't any left!
sort of insulted that you'd push the "textbook" stuff. 80% water and all that. this is a discussion BEYOND that. i think...personally. we all understand what our function HAS been...we're talking about the possibilities of what it COULD be.
again REACH
soul
Souljah333, Your thoughts parallel very closely to mine. It is the thoughts that you have presented that I have had before that drive me towards something like breatharian type ideas, "astral projecting"(obes phasing whichever name suits you). It's the idea that perhaps as humans we have all assumed to much and these assumptions are what limit us. I'm currently in search of what the Truth. I want to find it for myself, I don't want to just go off assumptions anymore. It seems strange to me that some people starve and others can live without food. Maybe some people would say well the latter are lying and are sneaking food. But to me that makes little sense because they are doing it for themselves and not to tell you "look I'm not eating". I'd have to say I don't know what the limits of our abilities are and I would like to keep pushing and pushing the limits until I find out. I'm not worried about dying in the process. Perhaps, one day we can either find an absolute limit or perhaps we will find that there isn't one. these are the two possiblities I see... or perhaps there is a third, etc.
anyways enough rambling,
James
froglet,
yes...you made a very interesting & subtle point. i feel that most people (the conditioning is (as a form of distraction from our natural power)) function merely for the satisfaction & approval of others. it is a very difficult habit to break away from, let alone be aware of. when in comes into view, it can the shake the foundation pretty seriously, and a lot of doubt will come into play. i believe as "back or sub-coding" to suck one back into the "mindless" void.
i'll put myself out on a thin limb and say that probably 95% of the s--t people do everyday is to impress someone else. and if we're going to start anywhere...we should definitely start with that, but i can assure you from experience...that's not a well-received subject! :wink:
love soul
Sorry but no matter how much you want to believe this is possible, it just isn't.
Plain and simple, its impossible. It's physically impossible for your biological body to live without an energy source which in our case is food.
QuoteSorry but no matter how much you want to believe this is possible, it just isn't.
Plain and simple, its impossible.
hmmm..that's an interesting statement to make on a spiritual forum :shock:
I believe everything is possible...
Quote from: NickJWSorry but no matter how much you want to believe this is possible, it just isn't.
Plain and simple, its impossible. It's physically impossible for your biological body to live without an energy source which in our case is food.
More plain and simple. Find a different cult pick up line please. And what exactly is causing people like you to say that anyways? What is the drive to limit people? I wish someone would explain it to me for once instead of telling me what I cannot do.
Oh yes, I cannot hit a 7 iron 200 yards in golf because of my size, but I've been known to do it more than several times if I really wish to. I also dislocated my elbow last year, and a month after that I had to play in a golf tournament. I hit my driver with 1 arm 280 yards once. I bet I could repeat it several times if I practiced more, but I just don't have the drive for that. What is possible is that we can do things with proper training. Pick one thing and do it for the rest of your life and you will most likely succeed at it with a few bumps on the way (sometimes those bumps kill you but we're not going to go there right now).
Right now we seem to have the standard conservative viewpoint and the standard liberal viewpoint on this topic, which I think proves that this ability is possible, but it is taboo to society right now to think of such things. Whoever wants this ability to exist must focus only on it and be very quiet about it and then one day a few generations later, rethink bringing it back up when there is a large enough group of people successfully doing it over and over. Who wants to try and develop this skill?
I do believe many things are possible with the human body, but one such as this is IMPOSSIBLE. You are saying I'm using a cult pick up line, but you are the one with the weak mind if you really believe it is possible to live without food.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE the fact is that you CANNOT live without food or water.
Impossible never gonna happen, face it.
Let me know when you have actually achieved this and actually proven it to be possible. Living without food is like trying to live for years while holding your breath, you need to breath to physically live, just as you need to eat.
I only believe what is scientifically plausible, logical and what I have experienced.
If you call science a cult you are obviously in one. I also don't see how your golf swing is defying any laws of physics, a golf swing is physically possible, living without food however, is not.
It's like Ein Alohim said, there are limitations to the physical body. I can't just jump on the moon from earth, I can't jump an ocean, I can't move as fast as light, and I nor anyone can live without food.
Quote from: NickJWI do believe many things are possible with the human body, but one such as this is IMPOSSIBLE. You are saying I'm using a cult pick up line, but you are the one with the weak mind if you really believe it is possible to live without food.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE the fact is that you CANNOT live without food or water.
Impossible never gonna happen, face it.
Let me know when you have actually achieved this and actually proven it to be possible. Living without food is like trying to live for years while holding your breath, you need to breath to physically live, just as you need to eat.
I only believe what is scientifically plausible, logical and what I have experienced.
If you call science a cult you are obviously in one. I also don't see how your golf swing is defying any laws of physics, a golf swing is physically possible, living without food however, is not.
It's like Ein Alohim said, there are limitations to the physical body. I can't just jump on the moon from earth, I can't jump an ocean, I can't move as fast as light, and I nor anyone can live without food.
I would like to see the science you subscribe to. If someone walked up to you demonstrating the concept of a "free energy" circuit and you witnessed it running for many hours, would you denounce that as well?
The reason why i included my golf swing as an example is because other people consider it impossible for me to swing like I do and hit the ball so far, however I have enough of a positive attitude about it so that I in fact do hit the ball like that. I didn't always, but I found the biggest changes come about when I started focusing on those concepts more. Sure it isn't on the level of not eating, but it is on a level of claimed impossibility.
Plus the fact that people like yourself have claimed specific things to be impossible because they are absurd on some level. They have claimed this throughout history and will continue to claim this well beyond the future of this forum. To avoid being scourned on a
new age forum, please include resources where we can read about say...malnutrition or diseases formed by lack of a specific vitamin, that just happens to be recent. That would go over much better than the "plain and simple" lines about it being impossible.
Okay, you say to be open minded, which apparently you claim i am not. this is a false statement. i am open minded to possible realities. And i agree there are myriads which exist. But there are also those which don't, nor ever will. I saw someone said "this is a spiritual post..." this forum may be, but the subject at hand is of a physical nature with spiritual inquiry. While the "spirit" (whatever your concept of that may be) has its qualities, so does the physical have its qualities. Due to the fact that we are discussing the physical and biological laws, one must understand the limitations of those laws. Spiritual advancement can only improve the body in ways which are physically possible. example...meditation cannot make you superman. while it can improve the physical shell, and even allow one to perform what would otherwise be called impossible feats, it does have limitations. Oh, and real quick, as for hitting a golf ball 200 yards...so what, I've hit quite a few over 400 yards, and probably could hit it 5-600 with proper training, but you cannot train your body to live without proper nutrition (in this case, any at all). anyway, back to what i was saying. some improvements are obvious, increased health and longevity, increased strength, increased sight, ect. ect. Some even swear levitation is possible. I honestly do not know for sure as i have never accomplished this, but it has been mentioned by mystics who practice long sessions of pranayama (its called Bhuchari-Siddhi). this may be possible do to the change in energy levels, and atmospheric pressure. As we can tell, spiritual progression can lead one into amazing advancements, but it does have limitations. example...no amount of magick can make my left thumb appear on my forehead, and my right foot appear on my back and remain permanent. the only way this is possible is by illusion which one projects into the mind of the observer so that they "see" it but isn't really there. One said also that they breathe in the nutrients. what nutrients? i know that sunlight contains vitamin D, and there are others no doubt, but there's nowhere near enough nutrition in the air to support life on its own. if this were the case, then sentient beings would not consume food in order to survive. Yes i also understand that plants get a store of needed nutrition from the air...but that's because they absorb carbon dioxide and WATER from the air, as well as the sunlight. But I'm sorry, you cannot live by just breathing. go ask any scientist this, and they'll tell you the same thing. and if you want to hear it from a spiritually enlightened man, ask the Dalai Lama, or Thich Nat Han. if you mail them a sincere letter, I'm sure they will write you back. And apparently my simplistic phrase caused some commotion, well the phrase was intended to do just that...so as to show the simplicity of the answer to the question at hand. Its no big mystery that you need to eat in order to survive. Also it must be mentioned that if you are to travel to other worlds and planes, or as one mentioned "jump across the Atlantic" one must do this astrally, and if what you want to accomplish is on the physical plane, then you must project to the physical plane. However, you cannot perform these tasks while in the physical body. whether or not you agree does not matter because no amount of wishful thinking is going to change this fact of life.
Ain_Elohim,
A couple of things -
We are creative beings - we have the full creative potential of God within all of us (despite the objections religions might make to that statement). The limiting factor to that creative potential is belief. If you believe something is impossible, so shall it be. Practicality is also an issue - exactly why would one choose to make one's thumb in the middle of one's forehead?
I know it is only an example, but what about the idea that we could actually live forever - fully regenerating our bodies, rather than just healing them of wounds? This is, according to physical and biological laws, entirely possible. We're the ones that have effectively sabotaged our abilities to regenerate through toxic living and disbelief.
Besides, how many of the "laws" of physics and biology do we really know? Since science has started observing and documenting these laws, many have been broken because of the discovery of another law that has superceded or circumvented the first. As I said in a previous post, nature is very flexible. Far more so than we are.
The other thing...
Please use paragraphs in your posts. Reading large blocks of unbroken text is very annoying.
:)
James.
One of the most important articles from the book "Life Style Without Food" by Joachim M Werdin, downloadable for free from http://breatharian.info/ or direct link http://niejedzenie.info/english/text/lswf.pdf .
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WTHOUT PHILOSOPHIZING
For a long time I have been going to write this, but how to describe something that cannot be described with words and the intellect doesn't comprehend. This can be understood only by feeling it, at least telepathically. Any try to describe it would be ... philosophizing (wasn't it supposed to be without philosophizing ...).
Nevertheless, as you can see, I have decided to describe this. Let this text to be a contribution which brings closer the understanding of what is the source of life for your mind and body.
When I am asked what I nourish the body with during inedia, my truest answer is that I nourish it with ... nothing. I know, because I clearly see and feel this, that during inedia I maintain the body in perfect condition only by being conscious that IAM is the creator of the Life. Do you understand? — the creator of the Life. By simply being aware that I create the Life, I can maintain the mind and the body (which I am using as tools) in any state I wish. I feel this. At the same time as I turn my focus inward myself (my spiritual center), I feel IAM which creates (gives) the Life and maintains it's creation.
I know that until you don't feel IAM, that is what you really are, you wont be able to understand my explanation, although this is the simplest one I can write. I know what I am, I feel this thing and I can see how I am creating the Life by just being aware about this fact.
Once you know what you are, you see and feel what you would describe as “IAM is consciously creating life”, then you need noting more any more. You inner spiritual and feeling awareness of this fact causes that you do not ask any more, because you know that they will not answer, advice, show or explain better than the thing you feel shows you.
Then you also know that when a person says: “I am nourish by prana”, “I live on Light”, “God gives me this grace”, the person either can't explain better, don't understand this or don't feel what he/she really is in his/her essence.
This or that way, why would you want to limit yourself? Why would you want to be dependent on prana, Light or God? Of course, you can nourish yourself with these if you decide so. You can also leave these things once you feel IAM, that is what you really are in your essence. Then not only food and water but also God, Light and prana will not be needed by you for living. You wont be limited by “living on Light”, “nourishing the body with prana”, “God's love or grace” because you will have the choice. You will have the choice not only: eat or not, breath or not; you will be also able to choose between: to nourish yourself with prana, Light or not, to live on God's love or not.
What you make yourself dependent on, that nourish you; and what you free yourself from, that becomes unnecessary for your life. This or that way, whether you are aware of this or not, you always create the world in which you live according to principles and beliefs also created by you.
IAM the creator of the Life, Light, Love, prana, breathing and food. I also created and I constantly modify these mind and body which serve me as tools for experiencing (or playing a game).
I can enjoy whatever I have created, that is food, water, air, prana, Light, Love, God. I can nourish my mind and body. I can also throw it away as not needed for my further playing and, simply, live just by being aware that IAM is the creator of the Life.
So do you now understand more how this is possible that human can live without food? Do you also understand why the real Masters leave and don't teach people? How can they teach about something that the intellect is not able to understand? How to explain something that a person doesn't feel yet.
The clearer you will feel what you are in your essence, the more inedia and other “impossible” things will be something natural for you. At the same time you will less and less often try to find something outside yourself, because you will feel more and more that all things always have been in you, actually, you've been always the source of these all.
“The truth will set you free.”
Ok a question for the 'anything is possible in the physical with enough belief' bunch:
A child is born a literally blank sheet. No preconceptions, no limiting beliefs, no knowledge of even the term impossibility. Why do children not carry out impossible feats on a regular basis? When did you last see a new born fly, or do other reality defying feats?
Also, why do new borns in Africa starve to death? They have no pre-programming regarding the need of food. Impossible is not known to them, yet the baking heat (so lots of light) of their desert homes should easily substance them, but it doesn't.
If the laws of nature could be truly bent in any significant way, and if belief alone could change reality for the masses – why hasn't it? Most talk of special powers is hidden away on niche places of the net.
Why doesn't the combined will of the billions of religious people on this planet create a change in reality? Surely if the focused will of billions can't change anything, the will of a single person (who most likely spends a lot of time on the net) won't change much either?
And why in this age of near instant information transferral – knowing in seconds what's happening on the other side of the planet, has there not yet been a single instance of overwhelming proof of the laws of reality being changed?
We can 'think outside the box' all we want – yet a mundane, consistent reality remains.
Could it be that the physical cannot be changed? Could it possibly be a strictly ruled locale which stops the populace changing it? We might have the freedom to effect change in ourselves (within the confines of physical law's) but really, that's as far as it goes. If belief effected reality to any significant amount (rather than colouring it in our own internal world) the world would literally be a mad house. Peoples conflicting beliefs and desires manifesting all over the place.
Quote from: MisterJingoA child is born a literally blank sheet. No preconceptions, no limiting beliefs, no knowledge of even the term impossibility.
Quote from: MisterJingoAlso, why do new borns in Africa starve to death? They have no pre-programming regarding the need of food.
This quote from the book may answer your questions.
SOCIETY SUGGESTIONOnce at the beginning of my first non-eating experiment my wife told me: “What you are doing is against nature.” Before answering I suddenly realized that there was a lot of truth in her statement. Why? Before I answer, please think about the three cases below.
1. When a baby is born in a society of people who eat, he/she demands food from the moment of the birth. The baby has to be fed because if his/her body doesn't receive any food for too long, it will stop working (die). Not giving the baby any food would be acting against nature.
2. When a baby is born in a society of people who eat, but his/her parents are inediates (and not persons forcing themselves to be non-eaters), the baby will demand food in less quantity than the one in the above example.
3. When a baby is born in a society of inediates, it will refuse to eat from the beginning of his/her life. Then the baby should not receive any food. Giving the baby food, would be acting against his/her nature.
Do you already know what causes these differences? You can guess that it is about programs in the instinct of the baby, the programs which are responsible for the relation between the human and the matter called food.
From the moment of the conception every human is under the influence of the society suggestion. In the womb the mother has the biggest influence on the baby's instinct, next are the father and the other family members and then the persons with whom the mother spends most of her time. If they all are people eating “normally”, one should not expect that the instinct programs of the baby in the womb would be different from those prevalent in the society. Therefore also the biological nature of the baby born will be alike, resulting from the influence exercised on this person during his/her entire stay in the womb. The eating habits of the human are being created already in the womb (they can be changed later).
Similar processes are taking place during the whole time after the birth. Until the baby becomes an adult his/her diet depends on the society in which the child lives.
The born baby has the instinct sufficiently programed, so that his/her body and mind can function properly. The collection of these programs composes his/her nature. Acting against this nature, causes disorders or even death in extreme cases.
There is a simple conclusion from this: next time, when you decide to be born on Earth as inediate, first choose parents and society of such a kind. J
The society suggestion is not only the influence of the parents and all the people which a person is in contact with. The person is influenced also by the education, environment, colors, sounds, temperature, eaten food, games and so on. All that, and even more, constantly programs the human instinct.
You probably guess how useful a tool, in hands of manipulators, the knowledge about the society suggestion is. Knowing the mechanisms of reactions (programs' answers) to specific stimulations (data) in a chosen society, it is easy to manipulate the people (mainly their emotions) in a manner, that their thinking, talking and acting is in accordance with the manipulator's expectation. Fear, the desire to feel love, envy, compassion, want of power, desire to punish and other factors causing emotional reactions are used in carefully planned manner, so that people, according to their own will, do exactly what the manipulators are expecting.
The instinct is programs and the manipulator is a programmer who knows how to program a person in a manner that is not noticeable to the person and that often results in the person being thankful for the manipulator's work.
Often voting people are a good example of it. Also look at the advertisements, wrapping of bought products, arrangement of the shops (the music) or offices, declarations of politicians and journalists, and so on, etc. Listen and feel what they evoke in you, what emotions? Do you think that it happens by a coincidence?
The more you think by yourself, that is, the more consciously you do something and the more you pay attention to the society suggestion — then the more you discover the underlying suggestion and the more you understand how strong an influence it has on the thinking, talking and acting of people. Then you can say that you think by yourself, not according to patterns build in your instinct. Then you act more and more independently, you become more independent person. Also then the emotional states emerging in you are becoming of the kind that you decide do have, not of the kind that your instinct was programmed to produce in response to specific stimulation (data).
Please, be aware that the person who doesn't understand and control his/her instinct, regarding the programs in charge of the matter called food, is not able to become an inediate. Such a person is still a slave of his/her instinct's programs.
Quote from: sciantoOne of the most important articles from the book "Life Style Without Food" by Joachim M Werdin, downloadable for free from http://breatharian.info/ or direct link http://niejedzenie.info/english/text/lswf.pdf .
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WTHOUT PHILOSOPHIZING
For a long time I have been going to write this, but how to describe something that cannot be described with words and the intellect doesn't comprehend. This can be understood only by feeling it, at least telepathically. Any try to describe it would be ... philosophizing (wasn't it supposed to be without philosophizing ...).
Nevertheless, as you can see, I have decided to describe this. Let this text to be a contribution which brings closer the understanding of what is the source of life for your mind and body.
When I am asked what I nourish the body with during inedia, my truest answer is that I nourish it with ... nothing. I know, because I clearly see and feel this, that during inedia I maintain the body in perfect condition only by being conscious that IAM is the creator of the Life. Do you understand? — the creator of the Life. By simply being aware that I create the Life, I can maintain the mind and the body (which I am using as tools) in any state I wish. I feel this. At the same time as I turn my focus inward myself (my spiritual center), I feel IAM which creates (gives) the Life and maintains it's creation.
I know that until you don't feel IAM, that is what you really are, you wont be able to understand my explanation, although this is the simplest one I can write. I know what I am, I feel this thing and I can see how I am creating the Life by just being aware about this fact.
Once you know what you are, you see and feel what you would describe as "IAM is consciously creating life", then you need noting more any more. You inner spiritual and feeling awareness of this fact causes that you do not ask any more, because you know that they will not answer, advice, show or explain better than the thing you feel shows you.
Then you also know that when a person says: "I am nourish by prana", "I live on Light", "God gives me this grace", the person either can't explain better, don't understand this or don't feel what he/she really is in his/her essence.
This or that way, why would you want to limit yourself? Why would you want to be dependent on prana, Light or God? Of course, you can nourish yourself with these if you decide so. You can also leave these things once you feel IAM, that is what you really are in your essence. Then not only food and water but also God, Light and prana will not be needed by you for living. You wont be limited by "living on Light", "nourishing the body with prana", "God's love or grace" because you will have the choice. You will have the choice not only: eat or not, breath or not; you will be also able to choose between: to nourish yourself with prana, Light or not, to live on God's love or not.
What you make yourself dependent on, that nourish you; and what you free yourself from, that becomes unnecessary for your life. This or that way, whether you are aware of this or not, you always create the world in which you live according to principles and beliefs also created by you.
IAM the creator of the Life, Light, Love, prana, breathing and food. I also created and I constantly modify these mind and body which serve me as tools for experiencing (or playing a game).
I can enjoy whatever I have created, that is food, water, air, prana, Light, Love, God. I can nourish my mind and body. I can also throw it away as not needed for my further playing and, simply, live just by being aware that IAM is the creator of the Life.
So do you now understand more how this is possible that human can live without food? Do you also understand why the real Masters leave and don't teach people? How can they teach about something that the intellect is not able to understand? How to explain something that a person doesn't feel yet.
The clearer you will feel what you are in your essence, the more inedia and other "impossible" things will be something natural for you. At the same time you will less and less often try to find something outside yourself, because you will feel more and more that all things always have been in you, actually, you've been always the source of these all.
"The truth will set you free."
I really like this quote, since it applies to so much more than the topic. Replace non-eating with a topic of choice, and you have a true self help document in your hands. Summed up in one line:
"Focus on something, anything, and follow it through no matter what it takes, including sacrifice!"