What animates the physical vehicles

[LightBeam]

Hi all,

I wanted to hear your opinions on what individual spirits are when comes to occupying physical vehicles (human bodies, animals, plants, and everything that seems to be "alive").
We've had discussions whether during APs our spirits or parts of them actually leave our bodies. We came to a conclusion that we only refocus and don't leave in a  physical sense, but on the other hand when the physical vehicle dies, we cant animate it anymore, because our energy is gone. So it is not just a matter of simple focus within different vehicles in the lower dimensions. There is something more complicated when it comes to physical orientation.
Do you think there is a measurable energy of yours occupying your body here, and when the body is disabled, this energy is not able to remain within, and it leaves the vehicle in a measurable sense? Obviously even if you want to, if your body is dead you cant animate it and experience focus through it any longer. Does that mean a measurable energy was once within your body and when dead leaves the body, again in a measurable sense?

[EscapeVelocity]

My current thinking is that my soul is NOT actually here within my physical body; I grew up thinking otherwise and it seems only natural to think my soul, my spirit is residing within my physical body...but maybe not. Reading about Monroe's I-There Disc made me start to wonder 20 some years ago. Then, reading Frank Kepple's idea of our simply being "focused" within this body and reality, seemed to reinforce that concept.

But then this all devolves into a kind of semantic argument between concepts of souls and egos and personalities, what remains and what moves on...

I think that at least with regard to a PR body, that there is some quasi-physical component that serves to anchor our presence within the physical body during the duration of the bodies' capability to sustain life. Apparently we haven't developed the instrument to measure it. Some studies have been done, beginning with simply measuring the weight before and after death of the subjects' body, but even that leaves problematic arguments. Is this quasi-physical component what lends itself to the Etheric/RTZ type of projection, at least initially? Because I have had that type of projection...as well as fully mental, instant-transition Phasings. If the first is a function of PR conditioning, okay I will allow that...but then how can I experience the other the next day? Have my conditioned beliefs suddenly changed? How can I resolve having both experiences simultaneously except to allow for both of them through different mediums/mechanisms? Personally I don't have a problem with them co-existing...the existence of one doesn't have to disallow the other.

For me, all the discussion revolves around a subject that standard science avoids and that is finding a quantifiable, qualifiable measurement or even recognition of Consciousness.

And that is just the start of the discussion...if Consciousness is found to be within the PR body, does that still leave in question it's basis or starting point? Hence the idea that we are never IN the body to begin with...we are merely focused there. The paradox may be that it is both.

A great and difficult question LightBeam!

[Volgerle]

There is the production hypothesis (which makes no sense at all) and the filter hypothesis.

The body (not just brain) is a filter for consciousness to experience this so-called 'physical' reality. Everytime you project or experience somehow other realities (e.g. clairvoyance, remote viewing) you remove a part of the filter.

That means you are also 'outside' although this term is already wrong as it still implies physical 3d timespace thinking. So we should view 'outside' more metaphorically or translate it as 'not of timespace' as we know it.

[Szaxx]

Look at it from a medical viewpoint. Assume all is within the brain. There's a few people in this world living a normal life with full awareness and motivation with a low percentage of functioning brain. The scientist cannot understand how these few are alive yet fully functional.
There's a definite tie with the brain as being in an NP experience, sufferers from scintillating scotoma still get the exact same effects on their sight and these distortions are replicated when they awake physically.
Its a neurological strobing causing these distortions within the brain.

[Nameless]

Interesting question. I think we have to start with the idea that the physical body is 'not' us. Our minds/spirit do all these wonderful things like projecting, dreaming, traveling other planes. Our bodies always remain right where we left them basically just running on backup power till we return.

So it's almost a mute question in that we do these spiritual things without our bodies to begin with. So once the body dies we just keep doing those other things but 'without' the physical bond. That in itself would give us more freedom to continue on as pure energy and possibly with greater understanding. The body just does what it was designed to do; that is house our energy so we can have a physical experience. But like a car or anything else it wears out.

Good thing too or most of us would be trapped here forever trying to figure out something that will happen naturally whether we are on board or not.