Why Kids Today Dont Learn Anything....

[Avalon]

I'm old with 1 child in 1st grade.  

Reasons I believe school rules are adopted:  
1)The school has a responsibility to TEACH my child academics.  To do this successfully, the school recognizes that integrating people from different socio-economic backgrounds, personalities, races and religions can cause a diversion from the real reason they are in school.  TO LEARN ACADEMICS.

2)While our children are attending their school, the school becomes liable for their well being.  And in our "sue" happy society, they are covering their own butt.

My child is spirited, outspoken, right brained, divergent thinking, creative, active and a leftie.  Not exactly the kind of student that teachers can "easily" deal with in their class.  "Too damned bad", I think.  I refuse to try to change her because she doesn't conform.  She thinks for herself and believes in herself and I want to foster those kind of traits.  I expect the teachers and administrators to respect her as much as I expect her to respect their rules.  It's a give and take thing.
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I also want to add that I realize she is only 6 yo.  But it is up to me as a parent to teach her that to garner respect from others, you must also have respect for others.  That is a Universal Law that the school certainly will not teach her.  

[beavis]

Avalon "the school recognizes that integrating people from different socio-economic backgrounds, personalities, races and religions can cause a diversion"

so they make rules about clothes, talking, and other stupid things to make the students be conformists. They dont learn to work with diversions that are really none of their business then when they get out of school they cant ignore it so they become oppressors. Screw most rules.

Warning: they are training your child to be an moron

[Avalon]

Beavis -

When my child is out of school, she can wear what she wants when she wants.  Right now, at this moment, to gain the education she needs, she will adhere to their rules.

I struggle with the issues you raise,  believe me.  I've looked into alternative education.  My opinion is that RIGHT NOW, while she is in school, what she learns and knows is much more important than what she wears.  When she is out of school, she can wear what she wants when she wants.

Thanks for the uplifting response.  If my child was to grow up to be an moron, she obviously wouldn't be the first nor the last, I'm sure.

[beavis]

Its useless to fight the system. Maybe she wont become a pawn of that system. Thats the most you can do for her.

[Tao]

Yeah.. Beavis... I bet that`s what their doing.. On weekends they probably meet at math teachers house and make the "Kids=assholes" program for the next week..
Most of the teachers put their trust into kids who already are a little assholes when they first sign up in that school.. and try to forbidden them to skip classes, drink in schools, kill each others.. and by doing so they will transform them into The Ultimate Completly Assholes (T.U.C.A) and in time become the Next Generation of Assholes Teachers (or N.G.A.T)...
Some of the T.U.C.A will be assign in different small countries in roles of terrorists (Osama was a top moron student) so T.G.A (The Gouverment Assholes) can take the money from the civilians and fund a brand NEW generation of Assholes..

It`s a conspiracy.. I`ll tell you that !!!!!!

Mike

[Avalon]

Beavis, I have always respected your forthright approach.  I don't respond much to you because you come across as knowing your own mind better than anyone else.  That is a rare accomplishment.  "I don't give them hell.  I tell them the truth and they think it's hell" - Harry S. Truman.

As far as learning to live and respect different types of people from different backgrounds, I prefer to work with my child on those issues at home.  I am her parent and her biggest advocate not the school.

In all of the turmoil in the world, the best I can hope for her is that through it all, she finds herself following her own path.  Whatever that may be.

[beavis]

Avalon "you because you come across as knowing your own mind better than anyone else"

Its mine. Why wouldnt I know it better than somebody who hasnt used it? Or did you mean I know mine better than others know theirs?

[Avalon]

Exactly.  Not too many people do.

[Avalon]

Shadowatcher sorry for slightly hijacking your post.  

I didn't enjoy school much.  I went to learn and did little socializing.  I followed the rules without complaint because I knew that eventually, I would be able to live my life the way I wanted.  When and if you choose to attend college, many of the rules you've listed here, will no longer be.  It will be your choice as to who you speak with and what you say, what you wear, when and if you show up to class.  There will be more open minded discussion about issues that seem to be suppressed in school.  If you choose something other than higher education, there will be other rules to follow.  It never ends.  Sometimes you may find the rules are ones you impose upon yourself.

Your success or failure at this life as a whole will be up to you eventually.  Know that you are on the right track to question everything and come up with your own opinions.

[shadowatcher]

I dont care if people end up talking about something completely different on my topics:[]. In fact, it ussually ends up that way. I just want to give people something to think about.

[n/a]

HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE WORD UNIFORMIZATION?
perhaps you will find interesting to study
the purpose of that word.

the purpose is country made only of soldiers and bureaucrats
(but there are also the poor and the unfit.)
-with no middle class.
that is what they are doing to you.

and did they teach you that
the "presentation is the most important"?

[shadowatcher]

Yes, I agree. If you read my topic "Revolution" you will perhaps understand it alot more...

[shadowatcher]

These are the rules at my school. I know them well, having been punished for....well, most of them. This is the way they apear in the student handbook, I havent edited them at all. Tell me what you think about them plz!




Basic Rules

Rule #1A Disrespectful conduct such as bullying, name calling, teasing, ridiculing, displaying offensive graffiti, intimidating, or discriminating is not acceptable.

Rule #1B Tell individuals behaving in a disrespectful manner towards you or someone else that you want them to stop. Report the behavior if it does
not stop. Ignoring these situations is unacceptable.

Why? Such behavior, especially when it relates to a person's gender, race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, age, disability, physical appearance or physical/mental capacity is unwelcome by recipients, hurts others and undermines our community. It takes courage to speak and assist someone in trouble, but if you do not, the behavior will continue.

Consequence A hearing will take place with the student, parent and an administrator.

Rule #2 Fighting is forbidden.

Why? Someone may be hurt. It is an act of violence. It creates disruption.

Consequence All students involved will be suspended for at least one
day.

Rule #3 Students must treat adults with respect. The school will not tolerate a student being rude to an adult, i.e., ignoring, talking back, or engaging in other negative behavior.

Why? Rules are made so that large groups of people can work and live together on a day-to-day basis. Common courtesy requires that we treat each other with respect.

Consequence Depending on the violation, the penalty will range from detention to expulsion from school. The parents will be notified, and a conference may be required.

Rule #4 You are expected to use the hallways and other areas of the school in a calm and orderly manner. Some of the behaviors that are inappropriate to a school setting are: running, loudness, yelling, swearing, "just fooling around" and hugging.

Why? These behaviors are unsafe and inappropriate in school.

Consequence The student may be assigned an administrative detention.

Rule #5 You may not go into anyone's personal property or into lockers assigned to others, or damage the school's or anyone else's property. This includes "popping lockers". You may not go into anyone else's computer files.

Why? It's wrong. You need to respect other people's property and privacy.

Consequence The main office and parents will be informed. Depending upon the degree of the infraction, a detention or suspension will result. The student may lose privilege to use school computers.

Rule #6 You may not skip school, leave school grounds during the day, or cut classes.

Why? You are missing classroom time. Attendance is vital to the primary function of our school. The school needs to know where you are.

Consequence The student's parents will be contacted. One administrative detention may be assigned for every hour that is missed. Repeat occurrences can lead to suspension.

Rule #7 You may not be tardy for school without a note.

Why? You do not start the day appropriately. You miss announcements. You could fall behind in your work.

Consequence A detention may be assigned by the homeroom teacher or academic team.

Rule #8 You are expected to follow the rules for the cafeteria; the rules are outlined under the "lunch program" section of your handbook.

Why? Following the rules creates an organized and pleasant place in which to eat. Disruptions and confrontations are avoided. The cafeteria is kept clean. Students leave the cafeteria ready to return to class and to learning.

Consequence Depending on the violation, the penalty will range from temporary exclusion from the cafeteria to detention or suspension.




Please tell me what you think of the rules!