Why are we here according to Robert Monroe.

[Ignazio]

Think about the world we live in...Public awareness;Technology, such as TV's, Cell phones, Internet and Books.Everything is monitored by the government, and technology is improving because It's trying to keep us away from finding out the reality of living.Our reality, Is not working , It's not getting mad, ticked, having stress,all the bad feelings about life. Life is about enjoying life, being happy, and living full of peace. The Illuminati is what is trying to keep us away from reality, Illusions of illuminates. Which they're higher then Government. They're spending billions and trillions so you'll never find out what Reality is. (What's billions worth to them? just paper bills, Illuminati are the richest people IN THE WORLD) And in 2012, There is going to be the awakening. The awakening is Going to be a period in time where everyone living in this planet will figure out what our Reality really is. And When these people will start acting up, That's where their IS GOING TO BE VIOLENCE IN THIS WORLD!

In 2 years, you'll think about this Topic, And You'll say to yourself.. Ignazio was right all this time!

[mo]

In 2 years, you'll think about this Topic, And You'll say to yourself.. Ignazio was right all this time!

in 2 years you'll look back at yourself and ponder how you could ever believe something like this... mo was right you'll say!

I don't buy any of this. Everything suggests individuality is an illusion, it's logically impossible to make sense of consciousness being a tangible unique something we possess.


When you die you don't stop existing because you never objectively existed in the first place. Think of a wave: it's not made of atoms, when you see a wave in a lake the water is not moving forward, it just moves up and down, the wave a vibration that is passed on from particle to particle. Is it a big fuss when one wave dies out? Waves are simply part of the continuously-changing lake, waves are constantly appearing, separating into others, and dying out.

Likewise, throughout life we're constantly exchanging matter and information with the exterior: we learn, we change and we age. We're completely different both physically and mentally from what we were 10 or 20 years ago. We are as dead as we'll ever be.

When we die, it's simply another change. Others we'll take our place, life goes on. Just like every cell in your body is part of you, every animal, rock or star is part of the Universe.

wow, very well put. this is what i believe, too. yet thinking about why i actually perceive exactly THIS brain's activity leaves me feeling puzzled. there is and was sooo much life everywhere... why am i awake now through this brain?

[Ignazio]

in 2 years you'll look back at yourself and ponder how you could ever believe something like this... mo was right you'll say!


wow, very well put. this is what i believe, too. yet thinking about why i actually perceive exactly THIS brain's activity leaves me feeling puzzled. there is and was sooo much life everywhere... why am i awake now through this brain?

Think of reality Mo, Do more research about "law's of Attraction"  and Manifesting...That whats the reality IS! Think about it for a while. We are actual spiritual being with physical body.Once you begin to grasp that concept. You begin to understand what the conscious and subconscious can do.

[mo]

i'd love to just do some good research and come up with an answer, but i did do research and eventually had to realize that mystical and spiritual believes are all scattered and quite random.

most of what looks like good sources at the first glance are mostly reasonably debunked or somehow contradict other good looking sources.



man i really wish i could believe this stuff.. i'm going crazy on the thought of lights out forever

[Ignazio]

Are you spiritual? Hmm, doesn't my theory make any sense?

[mo]

well, what does it mean to make sense? that your theory sounds logical and "might be true"? sure, it might be true. but then i take a look at cultures that have not lost their sense for spiritual development, such as buddhism, and have to realize they actually embrace eternal nothingness and are going for that. then there's daoism which says you're a small fire that can either be cultivated into an immortal or will just fade away with death. and then there's people saying "yes yes, daoism and buddhism is all nice and was the human's best attempt on realizing reality, BUT THEN CAME JESUS!". then there also is an infinite amount of number of "freelance mystics", such as robert monroe, who have their own and very different view on this whole topic.

NOW WHO MAKES SENSE???



i do consider myself spiritual. i realized that it wasnt really my matter interacting with everything, but rather my SPIRITUAL SIDE. the invisible heaven within myself is 100% accurately projecting onto the outside. my believes and emotions are anticipating the responses from nature, almost like it would be a mirror of my inside.* that's spiritual for me. at least so far. i dont know how far it goes... i'm on the journey, but i'm almost 99.9% sure it's impossible to really figure anything out. but why would i do it anyway? just to cover up my fear of death?




*is this kind of anticipated response what the "law of attraction" is about? or let's better say: this is what i believe is the "law of attraction".

let's give an example for such an anticipated response: i see a woman and wanna talk to her. now my success is basically entirely based upon how i feel. on good days i might feel like "i am the source of love and she'd LOVE MY LOVE!" ... she'll love it. or i could be like "oh damn, hope she'll like me, she's soooo hot, those hot women have standards above me", while i already feel the rejection in my guts. it might sound like a trivial example, but this stuff seems to be solving my personal puzzle of social beingness.

[Ignazio]

Okay, You're right there. My thoughts are my opinions and maybe people don't believe me, I'm not trying to make everyone believe my opinions. I posted it so people can read it, and maybe people do have the same opinions as me. We will never find out the answer of life till we actually experience it. Hearing/listening to an opinion and experiencing an opinion are 2 Different things.

Mo, " but this stuff seems to be solving my personal puzzle of social beingness " What do you mean?

[mo]

i went on a journey of discovering on "how to be a social being"... and it was one of my biggest realizations that basically my believes and feelings determine how a social interaction goes.


well, i said that it solved "the puzzle". actually i didn't feel like there was a puzzle, i just felt like "damn, i'm overweight nerd and people dont like it". it was the most liberating thing ever to find out that life isnt that superficial ... so it cured me from bull****ty thoughts like that.

[Ignazio]

I have a life changing video to show you.. Listen it carefully and knowledge his information!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iThxbID76n8

[mo]

i know blueprint, thanks
yep, recommended!!!
yep, life changing!

[Ignazio]

Did that help you ?

[mo]

yea it helped me a lot
not with my fear of death though...