How to A.P.?

[ProtoPhoton]

Hi,
first of all I want to greet all of you and wish you good luck in your journeys.

So, lets start with my case, because for every individual the experience of astral projection or OBE is different.
I had (I think at least) AP in the past by popping out of a lucid dream, I saw a future event that would be the next few days to the news.
For me the precognition magic number was always either 3 days before it would happen or 7. Depending on if it is within human nature to change course or not.
So all and all I had my unconscious AP experiences but only once had a conscious one, Well most of the time they are semi-conscious, you see the last few years I have the instinct to fly in dreams or to do things that I know are not able to be done in the real world as quickly. So like telekinesis and such. Its like I am semi-conscious, you know not in the 100% conscious way of seeing everything sparkling from vividness but a more blurry experience. Besides being semi-conscious I keep playing along with the dreams but in a sense of what if this situation was real and I was to deal with it, clearly not able to snap out of it.
I tried methods by which people remember the dreams as well as triggers/reality checks. It worked one time but then it did not again.
I added much power and thought to it to make it subconscious to do it but in dreams it did not trigger.
Anyway, this is from the mild technique perspective.
I am also not sure if the dream I had that I was conscious and not in an actual dream was real or not. I was flying and all. It was like my personality or else the "ME" was in there. On the outer space, I was traveling like a rocket, so fast that scares you to look in front of you, but I am not afraid, just off-guard.
So I tried the WILD techniques many times, and I am not really sure how to make them work for me, they dont seem to work.
Always either falling asleep or itching to death, Well, you know what I mean. I am usually relaxed and with no thoughts. When I woke up from sleep and was in S.Paralysis I was actually just me and the enviroment, couldn't really go out of body nor see any scary things, Just me observing and the room.

Anyway the real problems I encounter when trying to do the traditional WILD astral projection techniques are primary that wait, wait and wait for an eternity, mindless and consious, ignoring physical and non-physical distractions but I dont seem to enter vibrational state or SP. And the times I woke up in SP I was unable to separate.

Funny fact is that when I was conscious from inside a dream I would think of not thinking about my body or going back, or not wanting to go back and would snap back into my physical body.
I start to understand that it has some kind of rule-sets but at the same time it gets in the way sometimes.
Because when I engage from a dream usually I get my memories back, an you know, as soon as I remember of not thinking of my body I snap back.
Any thoughts ideas, advises or guides would be much appreciated

,Thanks

[Lumaza]

Funny fact is that when I was conscious from inside a dream I would think of not thinking about my body or going back, or not wanting to go back and would snap back into my physical body.
I start to understand that it has some kind of rule-sets but at the same time it gets in the way sometimes.
Because when I engage from a dream usually I get my memories back, an you know, as soon as I remember of not thinking of my body I snap back.

Thinking of not thinking about your body is still thinking of your body. 

When I become Lucid, I know I am Lucid and I immediately immerse myself in the scenario I am currently in. Even a split second of thinking of the body is enough to end the scenario then and there.

It takes time to develop the balance needed to stay in the LD. Grounding helps exponentially with this, so does complete conscious interaction with the scenario at hand.

[Johnvanvick]

Hey Im pretty good at having lucid dreams Infact I pretty much have a lucid dream every night and I experience the same thing you do sometimes i know I'm dreaming but continue to go along with the dream. Lately though I have been shattering the reality of my dreams by really thinking about what I'm experiencing I start getting a feeling that I can do something beyond my dream and then I either wake up and enter sleep paralysis or keep going along with the dream with pretty much the ability to do whatever I want I find myself helping the other people in my dream as if I'm trying to convince them that the reality of the dream is not real too which is kinda weird almost like I'm riddling the thought of reality around with my subconscious. Now as far as S.P I have been experiencing this a lot more frequently and I too am having trouble seperarting from there but I also experience intense hallucinations while in this state voices and writing on the walls things running by me and so on... I believe the reason seperation is hard from here is because of all these distractions slightly thinking about anything will turn to the most extreme version of that thought or feeling. So my advice to you and myself in a sense is keep reciting affirmations and be sure that there are absolutely no negatives in them like "I have no fear" will produce fear. Instead try like "I am powerful I can do anything" and focus on your minds eye. I believe the key is to stay calm and clear minded be in the moment and allow the process to happen on its own don't focus on it happening just allow it to be. Hope this helps might have made no sense haha sorry if so.

[ProtoPhoton]

Thinking of not thinking about your body is still thinking of your body. 

When I become Lucid, I know I am Lucid and I immediately immerse myself in the scenario I am currently in. Even a split second of thinking of the body is enough to end the scenario then and there.

It takes time to develop the balance needed to stay in the LD. Grounding helps exponentially with this, so does complete conscious interaction with the scenario at hand.

Well if I start experiencing a lot I will not think anything related with my body, the question is how can I be in this state more often.
I was only once in this state but never from awake to asleep.
Only from lucid dreams and when I heard binaural beats of 6.3hz.
When I try to do it from awake I find myself waiting there...
In order to accomplish it from awake I need a detailed description on what I have to do as well as recognize the situation I am in.
For example, if I am staying till with ignoring the signals I will find my muscles be like pulsing/moving a bit on their own and then feel weird.
My situation usually regardless of when I try it is either fall completely unconscious or be awake and alert with the body not being paralyzed.
So yeah... its proven impossible from the several times I tried, usually trying in the 4 hour sleep period or so. The best trick to remember dreams is to sleep, wake up and sleep again.
But remembering my dreams did not make any difference even when trying to LD because being conscious from unconscious is more difficult, yet the only way to enter AP for me, using dream triggers did not help me do that though since I do not get them inside my dream, or I do but rarely, and when I do enter the lucid dream which is rare, I then wake up... this tornado comes and pulls me back ( have you seen it too?).
Anyway, I only need some kind of trick to do this probably. I am able to stay thoughtless, conscious and still for a long time but it will do nothing as it seems.

[Lumaza]

In order to accomplish it from awake I need a detailed description on what I have to do as well as recognize the situation I am in.

You came to the right place then. There are a ton of helpful "stickies" to be found here in each Sub forum. They are the threads in BOLD BLUE letters.

Here's a great one to begin with: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

There is also a Sub Forum here devoted solely to the subject of  Dreaming and "Lucid Dreaming".
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams-b22.0/

[Johnvanvick]

Yeah I have seen a tornado before that tried to pull me into like that after becoming lucid but that was only one time strange you mentioned that. I woke up right after that and drew a picture of my dream I held on to the side of a sidewalk in my dream it was pretty intense never actually got sucked up by the tornado to me it was more like a pillar of energy rather than a tornado though but did suck up everything haha

[ProtoPhoton]

Yeah I have seen a tornado before that tried to pull me into like that after becoming lucid but that was only one time strange you mentioned that. I woke up right after that and drew a picture of my dream I held on to the side of a sidewalk in my dream it was pretty intense never actually got sucked up by the tornado to me it was more like a pillar of energy rather than a tornado though but did suck up everything haha

Yeah, its like smokey tornado pulling you back and when you are pulled everything becomes blurry again and wake up.
What I heard is that you need to imagine that you spin in order to stay lucid and not wake up.
But its funny if you think about it.

[ProtoPhoton]

You came to the right place then. There are a ton of helpful "stickies" to be found here in each Sub forum. They are the threads in BOLD BLUE letters.

Here's a great one to begin with: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness-b30.0/

There is also a Sub Forum here devoted solely to the subject of  Dreaming and "Lucid Dreaming".
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams-b22.0/

Is there a recommendation for my case?
Multiples will do.
I am lost in forums.
Also , a quick question, is Lucid dream an Astral Projection or is an Lucid dream just brain tricks?
(According to many beliefs, dreams are pre-experience of something in order for the animal to be prepared to face some situations, kinda like a simulator) which makes me think it is just an illusion, from the AP perspective, it is the soul going off-sync from this dimension and in the other dimension the soul/consciousness sees their concerns if they are not conscious as an ethereal illusion of literally smoke/ether.
If I understand it correctly.
My first OBE was me launching to space when the dream dissipated. It made me more skeptical and more open-minded at the same time.
I also want to believe that what tom campbell said about the experiments they did was true, that you can see things in the real world and come back to confirm it.
These are some questions and concerns I have.

[Lumaza]

Yeah I have seen a tornado before that tried to pull me into like that after becoming lucid but that was only one time strange you mentioned that. I woke up right after that and drew a picture of my dream I held on to the side of a sidewalk in my dream it was pretty intense never actually got sucked up by the tornado to me it was more like a pillar of energy rather than a tornado though but did suck up everything haha

Tornadoes seem to be a type of Portal that people either exit or enter another realm through. I have experienced these many times myself and have written about them here (under my former name Lionheart) many times. At the time one of my friends here, who was also a Moderator, was deathly afraid of them (because of where he lived), so I stopped commenting on them.

I have also experienced these "Tornadoes" as a board wipe of sorts. The Tornado will come through and what's left afterwards is a completely different scenario.

Just do a Forum search on the word "Tornado" and you will see what I mean. Make sure you are on the home page though. Otherwise your search will be restricted only to the current Forum you are on.

[Lumaza]

Is there a recommendation for my case?

Yes, read. Sorry to be blunt, but I can't do the work for you. I gave you the links already. All you had to do is go there and open and read them.

Also , a quick question, is Lucid dream an Astral Projection or is an Lucid dream just brain tricks?

All of these are known as "Non Ordinary States of Consciousness". Anything outside of your current physical awareness falls into this category. Be it Scrying. Remote Viewing, LDing, Aping, whatever title you wish to use.
Consciousness is our awareness of ourselves and our environment. Ordinary state of consciousness occurs in the normal states of seeing and hearing, reasoning and remembering. Non-ordinary state of consciousness occurs in the altered consciousness of sleep (LDS), hypnotic states (OBEs/APs), and chemically induced hallucinations.
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[Xanth]

Alternatively, on my own personal forum I offer a service where myself and others personally help you on a one-on-one basis to learn to project.

www.astralacademy.com

Follow the link, create an account and make a post. 

[ProtoPhoton]

Yes, read. Sorry to be blunt, but I can't do the work for you. I gave you the links already. All you had to do is go there and open and read them.
All of these are known as "Non Ordinary States of Consciousness". Anything outside of your current physical awareness falls into this category. Be it Scrying. Remote Viewing, LDing, Aping, whatever title you wish to use.
Consciousness is our awareness of ourselves and our environment. Ordinary state of consciousness occurs in the normal states of seeing and hearing, reasoning and remembering. Non-ordinary state of consciousness occurs in the altered consciousness of sleep (LDS), hypnotic states (OBEs/APs), and chemically induced hallucinations.

sorry but I have this thing where I cannot read very well.
So its hard.

So basically it is an illusion of the brain, nothing more.

[ProtoPhoton]

Tornadoes seem to be a type of Portal that people either exit or enter another realm through. I have experienced these many times myself and have written about them here (under my former name Lionheart) many times. At the time one of my friends here, who was also a Moderator, was deathly afraid of them (because of where he lived), so I stopped commenting on them.

I have also experienced these "Tornadoes" as a board wipe of sorts. The Tornado will come through and what's left afterwards is a completely different scenario.

Just do a Forum search on the word "Tornado" and you will see what I mean. Make sure you are on the home page though. Otherwise your search will be restricted only to the current Forum you are on.

I cannot seem to find something specific on the forum, only interpretations and meanings.

[Xanth]

sorry but I have this thing where I cannot read very well.
So its hard.

You might have a problem them since this is a media where it's ALL typed print...

So basically it is an illusion of the brain, nothing more.

How do you come to that conclusion?

Sorry, but I'm with Lumaza... we can guide you to where you can find your answers, but we can't GIVE you answers.  Understand?
Giving you an answer doesn't help unless you have a way to understand it... and that's done on your own. 

[ProtoPhoton]

You might have a problem them since this is a media where it's ALL typed print...
How do you come to that conclusion?

Sorry, but I'm with Lumaza... we can guide you to where you can find your answers, but we can't GIVE you answers.  Understand?
Giving you an answer doesn't help unless you have a way to understand it... and that's done on your own. 

No need for answers, answers are to be experienced.
The path to the experience is what I wish for.
Techniques for people that have focus issues and such.
Or hyper-active.
Not that I am but it is partial.
I try to do the Wild methods and I get sucked in unconsciousness and if I am conscious I cant reach the state even when relaxed, I am that relaxed that I cannot feel my hands, almost.
But no matter how much I wait , if I am not unconscious I will not have paralysis which is sad because I dont know of any other way to make it to work.
Think of it this way, there is a chance I will end up in a sleep paralysis and then if I do there is a chance that I will be able to seperate.
So all and all I am very unlikely to experience it with the current methods I attempt.
Same goes with dream-initiated OBE.
I need experience to even stay in this state but if I do pass the first steps I will not be able to be in the dimension where matter doesnt matter (get it?).
Well, I remember materializing things in there and remember that there is a specific way that it works, the manifestation in the astral is like a flow, you need to suggest and let it form (isnt that right? Correct me if not).

Anyway, I accept any help and thank you for attempting to help me.