I have been trying and trying to Astral Project. I need to be 100% lucid in the OBE state so that I can shape shift my physical body. Does anyone else have trouble having the OBE's? Is there something I else I can try?
I keep hearing people say that you should wake up very early then try to have an OBE. but my mind is so frustrated in the morning. I don't know whats going on.
Please Help
Shape shift your physical body?
Hehe. Yeah I'm curious yellow also to know how out of body lucidity will enable you to alter its phenotype.
I don't know if it will or not but I have to try. If I consciously change my soul body and focus on the change long enough it should change my physical body.
At the very least the OBE should answer my question as to why I look this way.
whats wrong with your physical body?
Maybe i'll try that and transform my body into David Beckham.
It smells like a biokinesis with different approach to me.
Mo my Physical Body isn't good enough for me. Its what I want the most. I need my ideal body. This one causes me too much misery.
I used to ask Adrian all about Biokinesis. After he answered all my questions I still find myself not able to do anything.
Quote from: Psychic19 on September 20, 2009, 23:40:32
I don't know if it will or not but I have to try. If I consciously change my soul body and focus on the change long enough it should change my physical body.
At the very least the OBE should answer my question as to why I look this way.
No... you can't change your "Physical Body".
However, you can change your astral body to however you wish... just takes focus and concentration.
You might as well start getting comfortable in your own skin now, cause I'm thinking you've got other issues that need to be dealt with before you learn to Project.
I am ready to Astral project now. And don't tell me I can't change my physical body. It is possible.
Quote from: Psychic19 on September 24, 2009, 18:37:52
I am ready to Astral project now. And don't tell me I can't change my physical body. It is possible.
What do you feel is 'wrong' with your physical body? Or is that too personal a question?
Well, this is a classic case of obe for material gain :D
I guess this should be possible. But it must be extremely difficult, as you don't see people doing it everyday, not even great masters of obe can do that. There is some hope though. I've heard of people healing their body (and bodies of others) during a projection. So if you are not happy with your body, you can try healing while projecting and see what happens. No harm in experimenting.
That will require a good command over projection, to say the least. So how good are you at that ?
I should warn you that once you get to that level of consistently projecting and healing and stuff, you'd lose all interest in superficial physical stuff like bodies and all. You will realize that these are illusory things and not worth bothering.
The catch here is that, to get to such a level you must become so spiritually evolved and pure that you lose all attachment to physical. Once you do that there is really no point in changing bodies or things in this world etc.
Quote from: Psychic19 on September 24, 2009, 18:37:52
I am ready to Astral project now. And don't tell me I can't change my physical body. It is possible.
What world do you think you're living in right now?
And no, you're not ready. You're hiding from yourself.
Gbob to answer your question I have hair lose for starters and there is someone else I extremely desire to look like instead.
I am 23 and single in the world and not getting any younger. I used to say I am abstinent because I knew I didn't have the confidence to date but the truth is I am unhappy like this.
I am very spiritually advanced but I still can't Astral Project. I've been studying new age for years now. I've tried to be detached and Enlightened but to be honest I do not want my experiences to end yet. I just want to live my life with the body I want to express myself with, there is nothing wrong with that.
I don't need to change myself on the inside at all. I'm not broken. I am a very good person and I'm fine on the inside. However just because I'm beautiful on the inside doesn't mean I am on the outside. I want this and there is no reason why you Law of Attraction people should think I shouldn't have it.
Xanth, how do you feel I am hiding from myself?
If it is your physical body that you desire to change, then it is within the physical world that you must begin your change. It is rather odd that you think by having an OBE that you can change your physical body. Anyway... Firstly, I must address your self-esteem. From what I've read you have none.. Why? You're a beautiful person regardless of what person you embody in this life, you are spirit... There is no point in lowering yourself in such a manner. Secondly, if it is beauty on the outside that you seek, you must begin with the inside. The outside look of your body is merely an expression of what your inside looks like. I don't know what you look like, nor do I think you are ready for such a great change.. However, look into Raw Veganism / Fruitarianism. I am not here to sway your beliefs, however, if your willing to have an OBE for such a deed then why not try this? But do not use this as another way to hide from yourself, the most important step of change is love for yourself. Goodluck.
Try starting here:
Mangodurian.blogspot.com
fruitgod.com
Quote from: Psychic19 on September 25, 2009, 18:52:32
Gbob to answer your question I have hair lose for starters and there is someone else I extremely desire to look like instead.
I am 23 and single in the world and not getting any younger. I used to say I am abstinent because I knew I didn't have the confidence to date but the truth is I am unhappy like this.
I am very spiritually advanced but I still can't Astral Project. I've been studying new age for years now. I've tried to be detached and Enlightened but to be honest I do not want my experiences to end yet. I just want to live my life with the body I want to express myself with, there is nothing wrong with that.
I don't need to change myself on the inside at all. I'm not broken. I am a very good person and I'm fine on the inside. However just because I'm beautiful on the inside doesn't mean I am on the outside. I want this and there is no reason why you Law of Attraction people should think I shouldn't have it.
Xanth, how do you feel I am hiding from myself?
If you were truly spiritually advanced then the looks of your physical body would really not matter to you all that much. Look at most of the yogi's, they look like prunes, yet they cant be happier beings.
I do not think there is anything wrong with changing the way you look, but you must examine the true answer to this question: why? It seems to many peeps here that you have a deep seated issue that needs to be addressed first.
There is always lipo and plastic surgery... but you will find it, like money, probably only induce short term "false" happiness. :|
Heh, I see you've upset the 'love and light' folks here, judging by all replies about "we must kill and purify the world of people who want to want to do whatever this is"
Anyway I've done experiments with gene changing, and it's possible. I didn't understand it back when I tried it 8 years ago, but I'm just now learning that your body's chakras are closely tied to your DNA. They create the harmonics that go through your cells and keep the DNA consistent.
I'm not sure if I ever succeeded in gene alteration, because I ducked out of my experiment early. The effect was rather intense. I did it by envisioning my 'new self' and raising my energy level for a long period of time (days on end, although sometimes I forgot for a few hours), and after doing this for long enough, I found my psychic awareness kicking up and my energy was always low - I was in a sort of trance all the time, falling into lapses where I'd see and hear things, although they were fascinating and heavenly things. Somehow I could feel every bodily function I had and involuntarily got control over it - to the point that I had to govern my own heart beat. Everything was shifting and I could feel my abstract 'new self' taking over my mind and body.
It all just got too intense for an experiment. I never thought it would work, especially not like this. The real kicker is that I envisioned my new self after a video game character just to stretch the limits.
Perhaps smaller changes would be easier - I'm not sure. I've always wanted to go back and try it again
AshJ I am already a Vegetarian, Been a Vegan before and found the Raw diet to hard for me right now. You don't understand me at all. There isn't anything in the waking consciousness I can do to get what I want. I have been changing on the inside, lots of people do but they still look the same on the outside.
Inter -sigh- I can't believe another person suggested plastic surgery. That is so disgusting its making me feel dizzy. Surgery will NOT give me the results I want.
Zare I am glad you came here. You understand what I want to do yet you don't really want to do Gene Change. I want a genetic change. I want bones, skin, eyes, hair follicles, everything transformed. This body is a projection of consciousness after all.
Quote from: zareste on September 26, 2009, 11:56:13
your body's chakras are closely tied to your DNA. They create the harmonics that go through your cells and keep the DNA consistent.
This is exactly what I am talking about! This is why I need to have an OBE. My awareness is always in this physical body that I don't quite feel comfortable in. I want OUT! At least for a few minutes 100% conscious outside of my body would really give me the brake I've been needing.
So please Zare tell me everything you can about your experiment. I am already practicing energy exercises for healing.
Ah yes, it is inevitable that on a forum with such a vast number of unverified fantastical claims, an answer will present itself. People will always believe what they want to believe in the end.
I only regret mentioning plastic surgery, that was a mistake. :-(
Some here try to get to the issue behind the issue, but it doesn't matter does it? No. You are looking for magic.
So, as they say, whatever man! Go forth and change your "genetics".
I have had enough of this forum...
does that mean you're leaving?
Anyway anyway, I wish I could help with AP but I can't leave my body worth a darn.
The experiment wasn't very complicated. I just kept in mind the 'new self' I wanted, and energized all the fields around my body. My intent was so strong that all the cells seemed to come under my control and, as you can see, I wasn't ready for all that. It took about a week to get to that point - I would energize myself off and on whenever I remembered to. Somehow I've never summoned the willpower to try changing again
So you'd rather put all that effort into projecting.. only soon to find out that the thing you were searching for is completely fruitless?.. rather than to simply change your diet? What's so difficult about it? Are you afraid of confronting your food addictions that contribute to whatever "problem" your body has? To be honest, I don't think I want to understand you.. It's far too depressing. I sincerely wish you good luck.
AshJ I know the Raw Vegan diet is the way to go. I know I am addicted to food. Are you saying that my food addiction is causing hair loss and if I become a 100% raw vegan I will regain the hair I had when I was a kid?
Zare I will complete your experiment. I have the desire. When you say energize what do you mean exactly. I just want to understand what you did differently then I've been doing. I haven't had any results yet.
I had a background in psionics so it's a bit hard to explain. It's like tensing a muscle without actually moving it - you just energize it, and do that all over your body until you feel a sort of buzz (it might be subtle).
It might come naturally if you just concentrate on your fields. Sometimes it feels like ecstasy, and that was one of my problems - getting so many strange feelings all at the same time, like a trip. And you can do it while standing and walking and whatever else
Oh and being vegan can significantly improve your mind and abilities
Dear Zare,
I never heard of Psionics. I just looked it up. I always just called it Metaphysics.
Have you heard about "New Energy Ways" or "Quantum Touch". They use something called tactile imaging. You basically feel being touched in your mind instead of visualizing. I have been practicing that. Can you please describe in detail the method you used?
I know A TON about diet and I've wanted to be a Raw Vegan for a few years now. Its Obviously the healthy way to go. The longest I have been Vegan for was 5 months. It was hard for me and I still ate vegan junk food and cooked food. The last time I was planning to go raw I decided to drink juice. I went to the store to get juice and I couldn't find any juice that wasn't pasteurized! AshJ are you a Raw Vegan?
That's really the best I can describe it. It's like explaining how to move a muscle, y'know? Psionics mostly deals with energy manipulation, and I got my start by sending energetic charges to my hands
One way to practice is, put your hands an inch away from each other, palms facing each other, and concentrate on the area between them. Keep that up for 20 seconds or so, and you'll start to feel a force between them. They'll repel or sometimes contract, and you'll feel it in waves. You'll also find you can control this force more and more with time.
While doing this, you'll probably feel a 'buzz' in your hands. That's the sort of feeling I mean. I created that all over my body to control it
You can't be serious. I know the hand technique. That force is whats used to move the Psi-wheel. But that doesn't change the cells.
What did you do exactly to feel the sensations all threw out your body?
and what was your diet at the time?
That force is unimportant. I was trying to explain how you get your energy fields under control by starting with your hands
Back then, I didn't eat particularly well. Maybe better than my friends did, but nothing special
a friend told me you are a healthy spiritual person if when you wake up you're in a bliss state, like meditating. So if you're waking up frustrated..
Psychic19,
First, there is nothing wrong with you or what you are feeling to be a part of.
Second, opening your awareness to the fact that this is even possible is equivalent to 'an expanding consciousness'. It is a sign that you ARE growing. The opening in you is good, it lets more into your field -and this is precisely what you need -(not to go out of your body but to let the rest of yourself back into it!); this, of course, will co-simultaneously open YOU out into an ever expanding experience of the whole being that you are..
REMEMBER
You do not do the transmuting, you yourself ARE the change . .
(the higher Energies, or what I will call 'The Rest of You' does the work)
May I ask? -do you hear an inner sound, some call this an ear hiss, or ear sound, do you hear it.
You may enjoy my youtube page.
I go all into the sound, energies, and transmutation.
http://www.youtube.com/omcasey1
the best to you,
Casey
To influence the physical, I'd try experimenting with something like radionics or Huna rather than Astral Projection. Kahunas use the power of the breath (mana,prana,chi etc) directed with visualization techniques to produce changes in the physical plane.
Quote from: Psychic19 on September 25, 2009, 18:52:32
Gbob to answer your question I have hair lose for starters and there is someone else I extremely desire to look like instead.
I am 23 and single in the world and not getting any younger. I used to say I am abstinent because I knew I didn't have the confidence to date but the truth is I am unhappy like this.
I am very spiritually advanced but I still can't Astral Project. I've been studying new age for years now. I've tried to be detached and Enlightened but to be honest I do not want my experiences to end yet. I just want to live my life with the body I want to express myself with, there is nothing wrong with that.
I don't need to change myself on the inside at all. I'm not broken. I am a very good person and I'm fine on the inside. However just because I'm beautiful on the inside doesn't mean I am on the outside. I want this and there is no reason why you Law of Attraction people should think I shouldn't have it.
Xanth, how do you feel I am hiding from myself?
If you're having health issues ( hair loss, etc ), read The China Study by Dr. Campbell. I am certain the first 25 pages will change your life if you were previously unaware of the information gathered within the book, which I am almost sure of. And you may want to start some exercise, if you have not already, in order to restore balance in your body if you find yourself in a sedentary state of living. :)
The problem with people that I have introduced this book to is crossing the border of skepticism towards grand narratives. But the truth is that this book changed my life, my family's, my friends' and my girlfriend's as well. So, please consider reading it. You can find it in .pdf format through Google and in some torrent trackers too, I believe.
Years before reading this book I was eating junk food, and I mean really crap food. When I was 16, I almost got diabetes. From 78 kilos, in a month I became 115 and my skin couldn't take it even. It began tearing up as it couldn't take the pressure. I got scared and I read a book claiming that everything can be cured through hunger. So I started living only on tea and vegetables. In two months I was back to normal but I couldn't keep with such a diet. So I went back to a mix of junk food and vegetarian diet, so I was pertaining to the well known 'junk food vegetarians' or pseudo vegetarians group.
Years have passed and I found the book of Dr. Campbell. It gave me some serious motivations as it was, and maybe still is, the only comprehensive book to explain stuff that you've perhaps never considered before. I am a 100% vegetarian consumer now and I have never, ever, thought of going back to what I was. I was fat, lazy, with disgusting physical appearance and excessively unhealthy condition. Two years of being a vegetarian and daily exercises that I have made a part of my life and I am the opposite of what I formerly was. I have not had a cold, whatsoever, or any type of disease since then. I do not have any pill or modern type of medicine at my house. I had not seen a doctor, a dentist or anyone similar. And when I remember how I used to spend the nights in unnecessary hospitals, as well countless hours and amounts of money thrown at doctors that never had the courage to tell me the truth, as instead they kept squeezing money out of me and my family.
Anyway, If you haven't read the book, I strongly suggest that you do. Maybe its just the missing particle that you have been looking for. :)
Also, there is no such thing as 'too hard'. We claim our bodies to be just a projection of our consciousness, the same goes for 'its just too hard' type of sensations that the body feels, for me at least. Gets your sh... self together and just do it. Being a true vegetarian does not include drinking juice you bought from the market, by the way. You will have to make sacrifices, but I am sure you already know that, as you are willing, as I can see, to sacrifice your time on this Earth in trying to change your genes through OOBEs. :) In fact, ask yourself where will you be in 2 years time if you decide to go with the OOBE method and where will you be if you decide to simply change your diet and do some regular exercises. But if you have the will for it, why not go with both methods?
Hopefully you will not find my advise offensive, as I think I have a tendency of expressing myself like that, but all I really want is to help you. Also, I am not trying to advertise this book and force people into buying it ( as you can get it from the net too, as pointed above), but merely to share how it changed my life. Hopefully it would help you too in maintaining a healthy physical body.
Best regards,
Lit
Quote from: Xanth on September 23, 2009, 14:31:30
No... you can't change your "Physical Body".
Have to call bullocks when I see it...
Everything you do changes your physical body.
Everything you think changes it, too.
Look up "Biology of Belief" and watch the YouTube videos if you have the time. A biologist explains it.
Quote from: no_leaf_clover on December 18, 2009, 01:10:02
Have to call bullocks when I see it...
Everything you do changes your physical body.
Everything you think changes it, too.
Look up "Biology of Belief" and watch the YouTube videos if you have the time. A biologist explains it.
What do you mean by "change"?
Do you mean reordering your DNA to actually, physically change into another species?
Change yourself into a cardboard box? O_o
You're going to have to come up with some pretty substantial proof for me to even consider the possibility of this being true. :)
You can change your body through excerise. Hard, time consuming, strenuous excersise and a healthy diet. There are no shortcuts like the astral to changing your body, only physical hardships. If your not willing to change physically then the astral is never gonna help you, sorry. Well maybe good attitudes and stuff effect your body on a small genetic scale but honestly youre never gonna change your body without excercise, so if youre lookin to radical body changing through astral projecting?.... It kinda says something about your determination to change in the first place, since you didnt think of the obvious, which is excercise.
Take AshJ's advice.
Something in the mind cannot change the physical, body wise.
Quote from: Psychic19 on September 26, 2009, 14:57:01
I have been changing on the inside, lots of people do but they still look the same on the outside.
no way. get over being so superficial. a beautiful inside will always result in a beautiful outside. you're just soooo wrong, sorry man. but that's part of your problem i guess.
Quote from: mo on December 18, 2009, 19:29:48
no way. get over being so superficial. a beautiful inside will always result in a beautiful outside. you're just soooo wrong, sorry man. but that's part of your problem i guess.
lol , a beautiful inside will always result in a beautiful outside? is that a joke right?
im not here to give you a lesson about uglyness and beauty but come on admit it
who wants to date with someone very ugly? who will date with the someone ugly? or who wants to spend time with someone ugly?
everybody says inside is important not the outside , thats a ****** lie
you wont even think of being together with someone ugly , there might be some exceptions but thats roughly %99
but It might be possible of course , changing your physical look
i was trying to improve my muscle strength with biokinesis i think i become succesful
because i was able to lift the weights without any training that my friends with some training couldnt even lift
and i wasnt able to lift those weights before , i dont know maybe i become succesful and now im trying to grow in height
im not sure because there are many factors affecting muscle strength
and eating only vegetables is not really healthy you must eat meat too , you must eat both vegetables and meat thats better
Alfera I disagree profusely with your post. What some think as ugly, others think as not so or even beautiful. It is not often you meet someone that likes you purely on your personality, but honestly...the person physically seems for attractive to some people if they are an extremely amazing person.
If you believe someone is beautiful inside then it makes you think of them in a beautiful manner when you look at them.
Not always, or at least not at first. We are very visually oriented (and biased!). Just bring to mind the first non-human e.t. you ran across while out of body -or in lucid dreams. We are still very much priming the ability to read energy, rather than hyperfocus on what the energy looks like.
Quote from: Zino on January 06, 2010, 18:48:52
Alfera I disagree profusely with your post. What some think as ugly, others think as not so or even beautiful. It is not often you meet someone that likes you purely on your personality, but honestly...the person physically seems for attractive to some people if they are an extremely amazing person.
If you believe someone is beautiful inside then it makes you think of them in a beautiful manner when you look at them.
maybe you are right but beauty is not that relative! look at yourself in the mirror , what you see is what others see
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=1 read this , a research about beauty
i will let you know if i grow in height but we are able to manipulate the energy so biokinesis is possible , theorically
and i think most of you heard about the placebo effect
the patient thinks its the medicine that will cure him/her and told that it may improve his/her condition but actually its a sugar pill and if the patient believes that he/she will be fine after taking the medicine
the patient starts to get better! no medicine , just a sugar pill that will do no good but suddenly patient starts to get better!
i think that proves biokinesis is real , affecting body with mind power
so changing your body is theorically possible and if you are able to move objects with mind power(telekinesis) you can be succesful in biokinesis
if biokinesis is too hard and you need to see that it is possible to believe it is possible maybe i can suggest starting with telekinesis and if you become succesful , biokinesis will be an easy thing to do
Come on you guys, can you please all just think about all this rationally?! For one, there's just certain things about your physical that you can't change! And here's the thing, it's not cuz you don't have the ability to inside, it's that you're here to learn and gain experience from it, and learn to accept and love yourself. I have to say that I don't believe you to be very spiritually advanced, but I would say you're spiritually advancing. As many people have said, if you where truely spiritually advanced, you'd realise your physical is just a tool and learning, and that no experience is out of your reach because of your physical. You can't get a girl, because you believe you can't, and you view yourself as ugly. There's no such thing honestly, only what people may view you as due to person preference. Second, you need to realise all of this and accept yourself for who you are, and just let go of all this self-doubt befoere you'll be able to move into the higher planes! You're much too obsessed with the physical, so much that you're trying to use somthing that's there for our growth and learning, somthing that needs to be experienced for the sake of experiencing it, into somthing for gain in the physical! I believe that that's why you're not able to Astral Project/OOBE, you just don't seem ready.
I'm very sorry if you take this the wrong way, and think I'm trying to put you down and stuff. I'm honestly not. I'm trying to help you on a pretty hard path, but once you're on the right track it's amazing! I've honestly been where you are to a lesser extent, and believe me when I say this, what you can see past the physical, into the entire reality, you'll NEVER look back.
Hope this helped,
Inkheart
Once you are aware that the body is a body OF consciousness you begin to realize there is no limit to what can be experienced through the body -including it's utter transformation.. Consciousness - energy - and the form the energy takes is a singularity. There is no divide or division. Consciousness commands the energy to take form as it so chooses. There is nothing wrong, or un-spiritual about knowing this and opening yourself out into the inherent possibilities. This is your birthright. It is what you do--in creation..
This body is not a trap. It is an interface. Consciousness commands the 3D form in order to interface with the 3D reality but is in no way confined by this. I feel it is wonderful so many are finally beginning to get this. As well as open to the intricacies of what this means.