A question for everyone :)

[Steve 2B]

Hi,

I'm still trying to find that comfortable balance, in which I can make the transition to F2oC, at least trying to reduce the time I need to get to that border. It might be part of the reason why I'm getting such flakey results
So I was wondering what everyone tries to keep in mind when making an attempt? Is it focusing on that point in your mind? or perhaps getting your breathing right? or having a quiet space. Is it just letting go, or maybe a combination of these things? I get the feeling that in some respects it's a bit of a juggling act, know everyone will have their own essential method, but I'd be really interested to hear what you have to say

All the very best,

Steve

[Steve 2B]

Oh well...I guess not then <sigh>



Steve

[Telos]

The questions you just asked are general highlights of this forum. Many members have written their answers as new threads or as additions to others. Never hesitate to first browse, search, and read. In truth the answers you're looking for are already there for you.

My main obstacle is overcoming the drowsiness I feel when entering Fz. Everything is sluggish. I'm blind. My muscles are failing, especially in my jaw. And I have difficulty remembering things. Thoughts are wandering aimlessly about distant concerns... everything is a mess. So, my main concern is to find stability and direction.

It helps to already have a clear objective. But that is not always reliable, since the particulars of the objective can easily be forgotten. Your post has inspired me to look for a more teleologically-neutral stratagem that can be easily remembered and put into effect.

While in Fz, I'll calmly request, "starting point." It's abstract enough to be a mnemonic device for a precise objective. When saying, "starting point," I will remember what it is I wanted to start. Under ideal circumstances it would progress naturally to a telos.

I'll let you know how it goes, since you helped give me the idea!

[nicedreams]

i think i was trying to phase one morning then i had a lucid dream that i was blind in for a little was very annoying i felt like i could not see but i knew what was going on i felt drunk kinda then it faded

[Steve 2B]

Hi Telos, nicedreams,

Thanks for the replies! Yep I've been scouring the posts almost daily for anything that'll help. Alot of the information I needed to find has been posted in other threads over the last few days(Strangely enough), there is also the trouble that I'm (also) trying too hard. I'm effectively trying to beat the door down, just frustrated at the inability to trigger that lucid transition into F2oC. I just have this feeling that there's some piece of information that I'm lacking, something that maybe I should be keeping in mind, whilst either doing the rundown, or when I'm actually making the attempt to phase to F2oC, or the Fz. It's driving me mad!
I can see why the mystics'd burn incense to associate a smell with a certain state of mind, seems to me that in a modern sense that there must be a mental procedure of sorts to help get that balance. I know that might start to sound like some kind ritual, but isn't that what it the rundown is essentially? Something to get the mind prepared? Sorry I'm starting to ramble here I guess I'm just going to have to pull the process to pieces, start over and see where I'm going wrong...

Yeah, I have to agree with you about the 'objective' thing, it's not reliable. I'll sit quietly and go through a rundown, with a clear intention of going to one or the other, only to have it dissipate, or wander off somewhere I don't want to be. It feels like driving in a car, without the steering wheel being attached to the wheels, so no matter where I turn the wheel mentally, I more often that not just end up running off that mental road

Incidentally I think I had an F1/Fz overlay a while ago. It just appeared out of nowhere, when I was getting ready for sleep. It looked like a 3d space, was a silvery moonlight kind of colour. I didn't know what to do with it, so just lay there gazing into it. I was very peacefull

Let me know how you get on

Cheers,

Steve