A question for the old school crowd

[Astralzombie]

To the best of my recollection, I have been phasing for at least twelve years now. I admit though, that I was no further along in my development than your average  beginner. I'm not referring to the phasing process as I developed that ability rather quickly. I am speaking of developing a sound understanding of the NPR, what it is, what it's for, and how to best learn from it.

Some of you may seem a little skeptical in believing that someone could be phasing for as long as I have and yet remain as ignorant as I was. If you really understood my upbringing and how dogmatic my beliefs were, you would probably be amazed that I would even try to understand any of this at all. It really is a taboo subject in my family and peer groups as I'm sure you are all aware of what some very religious Christians have to say about this. So once I became comfortable with the little I understood, I was always extremely hesitant to push the boundaries of that in fear of the great unknown.

Since finding this website, I have since grown leaps and bounds and even my guides have told me that they thought I would never come around. I'm still amazed at how they know our limits and know when we are ready. I was almost a thirty year old "virgin" in the NPR sense. But don't get me wrong, I had seen a great deal and learned from it all but the penny did not drop (to quote Frank) until I arrived here.

In a very real way, it is like I am a beginner again and I'm very excited and anxious to learn as much as I can now. I was wondering if any of you guys and gals ever reached a point where you were bored with it all and if it lost some of it's wonderment and thrills for you. If so, do you still feel that way and if not, what are some of the lessons you have learned that keep the fire going for you? I do not need any lengthy answers or detailed experiences but I would welcome the read none the less if you choose to do so.

Much thanks and proceed with amazement (my new tagline).

[Lionheart]

In a very real way, it is like I am a beginner again and I'm very excited and anxious to learn as much as I can now. I was wondering if any of you guys and gals ever reached a point where you were bored with it all and if it lost some of it's wonderment and thrills for you. If so, do you still feel that way and if not, what are some of the lessons you have learned that keep the fire going for you? I do not need any lengthy answers or detailed experiences but I would welcome the read none the less if you choose to do so.

I personally have only been Phasing consciously for a couple of years now. But I have been experiencing SP and Lucid Dreams for years. It's just I didn't understand what they were and after the SP ceased to frighten me anymore, I just decided to ignore it. Until the day I couldn't any more.

I try to keep it exciting by experimenting anew. I try using different techniques, different gizmos and gadgets etc. By constantly changing your routine, not only are you becoming more efficient in accessing the NPR, but you are challenging yourself to go further!

I hope this helps you! 

[Astralzombie]

Everything helps. I am proof that the number of years that we have spent phasing does not necessarily equal wisdom in the NPR. I believe that you are way more advanced than I am. For instance, I never knew what retrievals were and now that I do, I'm a little concerned but not scared that it may be time. On second thought, I may be a little scared, not of the experience, but in failing.

[Lionheart]

Everything helps. I am proof that the number of years that we have spent phasing does not necessarily equal wisdom in the NPR. I believe that you are way more advanced than I am. For instance, I never knew what retrievals were and now that I do, I'm a little concerned but not scared that it may be time. On second thought, I may be a little scared, not of the experience, but in failing.

I am definitely not more advanced than you my friend. I just read and  watch AP videos a lot, so I can understand better what is happening.

I never knew what a retrieval was until I posted a scenario in 2011 on this forum. Other members here were then helpful in informing me on what was actually happening. That's when I did a search here and found Ginny's threads, which led to listening to a interview by Bruce Moen.

Frank Kepple's PDF and Xanth's primer really helped me understand quite a bit as well.

[Bedeekin]

Some people like Robert Bruce have been doing it for years and are still confused... so I wouldn't worry. 

I've been doing it for years and came to a partial understanding of it early on because I developed it for over 11 or so years with absolutely no influence from literature or anyone else... other than those I have taught... I will say that it wasn't until I read My Big TOE that my most persistent theories of what I thought it was were given an actual solid background and some. I have started about 3 books over the years and never got around to writing them fully because they actually got in the way of doing it.

I can't say I've ever grown bored and even after 28 years I still get surprised. The whole thing has evolved with me... and changed somewhat in 'content' but never 'what it was'. That has remained consistent... apart from the fact that when I started experiencing OOBEs I thought I had a super power for the first 2 or 3 years... I was 11 

One thing I have learned. Although I pull the 'been doing it for 28 years' thing out of the hat all the time... it no way impedes my understanding that someone who has been doing it for 2, 5 or 12 years can't be as knowledgable or savvy. In other words... I don't say that I have been doing it that long to say "hey... look at me... look how experienced I am"... I actually say it so that people understand who I am and where I'm coming from.

It is my life... I have gone through puberty with it and through adulthood... I could never grow tired or bored of it or take it for granted. I am who I am because of where I have been and what I have experienced in the NPMR. It is the first thing I tell people about myself when I meet them and with some the last thing they want to hear about me.   

Through it all though it has made me absolutely adore THIS physical reality. The world and the living things that populate it are dear to me more than the NPMR. This is what some people miss out on or forget about. I have never used it to 'escape' this reality... More like compliment it.

I'm not sure I have answered your question, but it gave me an excuse to talk about it.

[ChopstickFox]

I think if I knew the answers to all the questions out there, I would have lost the point. Part of the beauty of it all is not knowing and making discoveries. In many ways, being at the very beginning of the journey is just as exciting as the end. And somewhere in there you'd probably discover that you are at the beginning again. Or vice-versa.

I agree that guides are pretty amazing. Explore, keep and open mind, and don't fret too much about explaining it all. Just enjoy yourself and see what happens. Like a good book, you never know what's going to be on the next page.

As to your original question, by all means, I'm not very old yet, but I will still leave my two cents. I remember reading about OBEs in a book I came across in elementary school. Books on psychics/OBEs/ghosts/such. I thought that if I tried really hard those things/experiences would be real. Well, nothing happened. Especially the psychic test things. I completely blew at those. The gung ho excitement passed and I grew up, just keeping an open mind, I had my fair share of experiences on their own. Don't get me wrong, I am a fairly excitable person, but the point might not always be about finding a way to light the fire, but accepting the idea and seeing what comes of it. Let it fuel itself. The best experiences tend to happen when not super excited or hyped about it.

[Szaxx]

As far as time goes 49 years at this isn't too bad. The first five or so years I thought everyone could do it and I eventually found only a few had experiences where they had some control of their nightly adventures.
The experiences started with RTZ travels and being young these were normality.
It didn't always work too but you become familiar with this.
Twenty years on the experiences were on command and even how long they lasted was controlled precisely.
A family started and took over and time didn't allow the previous luxury.
I started on the Pulse after getting the vibrations and seeking knowledge.
I don't experience them and its very difficult still to create the required parameters.
As far as adventures go the first ones were done through intent and lots of it. Eventually I was confronted by my guides and the scenes changed completely. I've never looked back. NP schools and learning centres were a massive help initially, mostly on control of yourself and the environment you were in.
Retrievals and tests started small scale and learning was rapid. This part of the NPR's is  the best part for me. What I did early on is almost impossible now as I get 'placed' in an environment where there's always work to be done.
Rarely can I fly at will and even though at times its all I wish for the placements are by far where my hearts at.
I've not done a one on one for decades and usually end up in a situation where a great deal of ' entities' require assistance against overwhelming odds.
Bored?, absolutely not I can't get enough and life is far too short. I've lost count of how many and hopefully when life in the physical expires, I'll understand some of this.
We really are a grain of sand in a desert.

[Bedeekin]

Or a needle in a haystack....

eh? 

It's interesting how RTZ is the starter level with us early starters.

[Szaxx]

It's intriguing how easy it was and now its almost impossible. My last almost successful exit was wierd the topic 'astral worms' says it all. I've managed to zoom outside our galaxy in another more recent attempt. It's like trying to light a torch bulb with the direct output of a power station.
I don't get it

Anyone else find it hard to RTZ exit where their physical is sleeping?

[Steel Hawk]

How much emotional / spiritual / psychic energy along with frequency of said energy is used determines the projection type (in my experience). A high frequency energy like focusing on love will nearly always pop me past the RTZ into some "higher" astral level, how high depends on how much energy used. While just putting a boat of unfocused energy will usually drop me in the RTZ.

[justin35ll]

It has been 5 years for me since I first learned about this stuff. Yes, there has been times where I get bored and lazy with it, but eventually I always end up coming back to it with excitement.
Since I have recently tried really dedicating myself to it by meditating twice a day and practicing phasing every morning I am having pretty amazing results.
I have 35 recorded OBE's and probably a few extras that weren't as substantial that I didn't write down, but 10 of them happened in this month of January. I find that pretty amazing by putting in the extra effort I have had almost a 3rd of my experiences in 1 month and I have been doing this for 5 years (on and off) And that they are getting more interesting every time.

[Astralzombie]

How much emotional / spiritual / psychic energy along with frequency of said energy is used determines the projection type (in my experience). A high frequency energy like focusing on love will nearly always pop me past the RTZ into some "higher" astral level, how high depends on how much energy used. While just putting a boat of unfocused energy will usually drop me in the RTZ.

That is a very interesting post. I almost never projected into the RTZ in the beginning.  Could that be explained because one of my early phasing techniques was about some very strong feelings that I had for an ex-GF. The technique may seem a little weird but I learned here that it's a pretty common method only i tweaked it to work for me. Some of you never cease to wonder me.

[enlightnd]

Hey all,

Sorry I'm still learning, Could the next person to post please explain the abbreviations for me ?? NMPR ? RTZ ? NP ?
I like reading these posts but don't no what these mean an they seem to be the main point of topic.

Thanks in advance.

[Bedeekin]

NPMR - Non Physical Material Realtity - Astral

PMR - Physical Material Realuty - here... this reality

NP - Non-physical - not physical

RTZ - Real Time Zone - Etherial projection - a perceived projection into this reality generally, but not always, exact in every detail. Some think they are actually floating around in it... like a ghost, some believe it is a perfect copy of this reality.

[enlightnd]

NPMR - Non Physical Material Realtity - Astral

PMR - Physical Material Realuty - here... this reality

NP - Non-physical - not physical

RTZ - Real Time Zone - Etherial projection - a perceived projection into this reality generally, but not always, exact in every detail. Some think they are actually floating around in it... like a ghost, some believe it is a perfect copy of this reality.

Ok thanks for that, So when you brake threw you may or may not end up in the RTZ, You might have gone further to the NPMR depending on your mind set going into it? like Steel Hawk said, but i no you can start in the RTZ then raise your vibrations and phase to the NPMR.. (correct me if I'm wrong) So for beginners you are you usually going to end up in the RTZ ? Or you just don't no till you get there ?? also what do you personally perceive it as bedeekin the RTZ that is??

One more thing, This might be a really stupid question but when you project into the RTZ is there cars driving around still, birds flying, people walking, planes flying ect ?? every things the same in that sense..? but not always like you said, are you still only limited by your imagination ?

[Bedeekin]

I honestly don't know what 'raising vibrations' means. I will come clean on that. I read it and it goes over my head. Use whatever metaphor you need to feel you are getting to a lighter fluffier plane of the astral - 'Plane of the Astral' being another metaphor.

"So for beginners you are you usually going to end up in the RTZ ?"

It happened for me... and a few others on here. Then as I got older they changed into less coherent versions of this reality and I started phasing into other realities. These days when I go for a RTZ OOBE it is very fleeting. The reason for this is simple... I don't get a damn thing out of floating around this reality anymore. There are other reasons that are personal... but that's the main one.

"One more thing, This might be a really stupid question but when you project into the RTZ is there cars driving around still, birds flying, people walking, planes flying ect ?? every things the same in that sense..? but not always like you said, are you still only limited by your imagination ?"

It is just like here. No weirdness... no elephants walking up your stairs... no painting your uncles slippers or being chased by cheese sticks. All just mundane and filled with total and utter normality.

As the RTZ projection progresses... if and when your mind starts to wander off - like it does - those wanderings take on their own reality and shape the experience.

What do I think it is?

We are existing as pure consciousness in a massive incomprehensible digital-like MASSIVE simulation that is a constrained version top-down version of an even more MASSIVE simulation. It all belongs to the same system... like folders or rather games in a CPU. When I go nonphysical... I am simply IN the system. Depending how I interpret the information or DECODE it.. depends on what I am experiencing.

So in effect when I am floating about in the RTZ I am simply surfing the reality wide web that in the true sense has no actual real location... just a set of metaphorical coordinates that exists as a simulated distance.

[enlightnd]

Its just iv read so much on this that i picked up a lot of terms that others use, obviously we all have different metaphors, i thought that you have to raise your vibrations to a higher state to be able to "get to a lighter fluffier plane of the astral" ...?

It is just like here. No weirdness... no elephants walking up your stairs... no painting your uncles slippers or being chased by cheese sticks. All just mundane and filled with total and utter normality.

hahahaha that did make me laugh, so really the only abnormal thing about astral travel in the RTZ is the flying part.. thats it.

We are existing as pure consciousness in a massive incomprehensible digital-like MASSIVE simulation that is a constrained version top-down version of an even more MASSIVE simulation. It all belongs to the same system... like folders or rather games in a CPU. When I go nonphysical... I am simply IN the system. Depending how I interpret the information or DECODE it.. depends on what I am experiencing.

So in effect when I am floating about in the RTZ I am simply surfing the reality wide web that in the true sense has no actual real location... just a set of metaphorical coordinates that exists as a simulated distance.

Thats a very interesting way of interpreting it. I like it, I'm going to remember this. 

[Szaxx]

I'll second how massive it is.
My early memories of the RTZ were exact as in the physical. One instance when around 4 or 5 years old a thunderstorm during the early hours clipped the top section of a tree and it, half connected fell at an unnatural angle. After flying around this strange sight, I woke up to see it exactly in all its glory. A verification and being so young it sticks permanently in memory.
The digital computer analogy fits perfectly.
I often think I'm online while experiences occur.
You set your intent as a .exe file and phase, thats pressing the enter key.
If your program has enough priority, its runtime is allowed. If partial the available system memory is limited and your experience is 'foggy'. The other higher priority programs interfere with your subroutines and this you see as wierd things like being chased by a hairy vacuum cleaner.
Im sure many have experiences that make you think WTF.

[Steel Hawk]

"Raising Vibrations" is a generic term but makes sense if you subtly listen to the astral. For example when I met a "demon" (lol) in the RTZ I learned that if I focused on becoming Christ and loved the "demon" I could feel vibrations in myself starting to speed up, hence the frequency of my vibrations were raised and poof I was in what I believe to be the "Waiting area" of Monroe, or some park forested area with a giant crystal sticking into the ground and a bunch of outside rock circle patio hangout areas with friendly people staring at me in them. This is all rather embarrassing.

So to me the initial vibrations that launch you from the physical to the great beyond are mainly the cause of you going to the RTZ or some other place. I think they actually are still happening while you're OBE but you just don't notice them until they change (normally when you will them to).

I think you get use to them since normally when I project I no longer notice the vibrations at all... unless I pay attention.

Oh and the RTZ is the same as this world, just as real, no different than looking out from your physical meat body -- but you can go through walls, fly, and do other ghostly things. And it's also possible for the astral levels to over lap or even merge causing the entire thing or parts of it to be inaccurate.

[Spinney Lainey]

Good thread! 

[Spinney Lainey]

By the way, can anyone explain what is meant by the word phasing within the context of the first post of this thread. I have heard of the word phasing used to describe moving from one place to another whilst astral projecting but not sure if that's what is meant in this context. Thanks!

[Xanth]

By the way, can anyone explain what is meant by the word phasing within the context of the first post of this thread. I have heard of the word phasing used to describe moving from one place to another whilst astral projecting but not sure if that's what is meant in this context. Thanks!

The "phasing" term we use here describes a method for projecting your consciousness via a smooth transition from "here" (this physical reality) to "there" (any reality that isn't this physical reality) with no break in consciousness.

[Lionheart]

By the way, can anyone explain what is meant by the word phasing within the context of the first post of this thread. I have heard of the word phasing used to describe moving from one place to another whilst astral projecting but not sure if that's what is meant in this context. Thanks!

Phasing is the act of shifting your focus from the physical reality to the nonphysical reality.

With Phasing there is no "climbing" out of the body needed. You just shift your focus 360 degrees from here to there!  

Edit: Oops, Xanth beat me to it, lol!

[Spinney Lainey]

Ah, I see, hardcore! 

[Astralzombie]

By the way, can anyone explain what is meant by the word phasing within the context of the first post of this thread. I have heard of the word phasing used to describe moving from one place to another whilst astral projecting but not sure if that's what is meant in this context. Thanks!

I accepted this term once I realized ( or at least how I now believe all of this works) that I was was not projecting my astral body out into the NPR but rather that I was shifting my focus from this reality to another and that no part of me or my consciousness was actually leaving my physical body here. Like a seamless phasing process. This was not my own concept but when I read that here it fit much more comfortable with my own experiences. Of course, I will remain open to other possibilities but right now phasing is the right term for me. But it's hard to lose all the other terminology when trying to help others with their journey. What ever works, works.